Paganism and the Occult - Ouija boards, sage smudging, and hexes, oh my!

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I've noticed a slightly odd trend with neo-paganism to have a high emphasis on the naturalistic facets of the religions, ignoring the more cosmopolitanism aspects. This is particularly odd considering the Greek and Norse pantheons myths have them going to war with older more primal titans/giants. The older myths seem painfully aware that nature is cold and brutal but neo-pagans tend to see it as fluffy and magical.
 
Buddy gets into whatevering.
He's running wild with the light, doing good, getting karma right and blahblahblah.
"Yo this letter you sent soandso to make reparations and karma whatever was out front returned to sender, here you go"
"WOAH WTF SPRAY THAT SHIT WITH HOLY WATER THAT'S GOT-"
"I thought you were doing light stuff"
"Shut up."
 
I've noticed a slightly odd trend with neo-paganism to have a high emphasis on the naturalistic facets of the religions, ignoring the more cosmopolitanism aspects. This is particularly odd considering the Greek and Norse pantheons myths have them going to war with older more primal titans/giants. The older myths seem painfully aware that nature is cold and brutal but neo-pagans tend to see it as fluffy and magical.
Yeah, although ancient people definitely expressed a respect for nature, it's important to understand that there's a thin line between respect and fear. Idealizing nature is easy for people nowadays since it's harder than ever to be mauled by bears or succumb to hypothermia in the comfort of your own house. (Unless you live in Alaska.)
 
I've been watching a lot of weird tv shows online lately that it got me wondering about paganism--any form, such as wicca, American Indian, shit like that.

I'm not going to powerlevel too hard, but I've been getting more involved with my tribe and I want to learn more about the belief system, mythology, and the ceremonies we held before we converted to Catholicism.

Tumblr paganism is a whole can of worms that I'd rather not open, so refrain from bringing it up in the thread.

If you prefer a pagan religion over major religions such as Christianity or Judaism, what kind of things do you do, exactly? What ceremonies do you perform? What are some things you would refuse to do (i.e., use ouija boards to contact spirits, perform sacrifices, etc.)

This isn't intended to be a honeypot thread. I just want to see if other people have certain opinions on paganism and the occult.

I have to say that my opinions on paganism are positive, if I had to choose a faith, I would say no, but I do find interest in the polytheistic religions over the Abrahamic ones because of the fact that the gods of polytheism has more humanlike personalities as opposed to a supposedly omnipotent god found in the Judaism, Christianity and Islam. To me, God in those 3 comes across like a machine as opposed to a person in terms of gods. But anyo0ne have any thoughts on what I said?
 
It scares me. It may all be BS, but I keep hearing consistintly horrible/scary stories from those who tinker with ouija boards. Like always something creepy and wierd.

Any bad experiences with them? Tarot cards seem safe/more appealing but I have heard wierd/negative things about them as well. I would stay away from it.

For all who are involved with this junk, this is for you:
 
It scares me. It may all be BS, but I keep hearing consistintly horrible/scary stories from those who tinker with ouija boards. Like always something creepy and wierd.

Any bad experiences with them? Tarot cards seem safe/more appealing but I have heard wierd/negative things about them as well. I would stay away from it.

For all who are involved with this junk, this is for you:
I specifically do not mess with ouija boards.

Mostly because they basically open a portal into our world and you don't know what will come out of said portal and contact you.

Unless you have protective sigils and even a protection circle around you (I'm talking the circles you can find in the lesser key; Hebrew lettering and all) I wouldn't recommend just pulling an ouija board out and messing with it.

There was one instance involving an ouija board that was left under a guy's bed and apparently they didn't "close" the portal properly. This caused all sorts of strange and even nasty things to happen to the owners of the house at the time.

They're just bad news. If you don't know anything about spirits and you're choosing to mess with one, chances are you're in for a really bad experience.
 
I specifically do not mess with ouija boards.

Mostly because they basically open a portal into our world and you don't know what will come out of said portal and contact you.

Unless you have protective sigils and even a protection circle around you (I'm talking the circles you can find in the lesser key; Hebrew lettering and all) I wouldn't recommend just pulling an ouija board out and messing with it.

There was one instance involving an ouija board that was left under a guy's bed and apparently they didn't "close" the portal properly. This caused all sorts of strange and even nasty things to happen to the owners of the house at the time.

They're just bad news. If you don't know anything about spirits and you're choosing to mess with one, chances are you're in for a really bad experience.
There are more effective ways to contact inter-dimensional beings anyway.
 
Are the spirits through ouija boards actual demons? I have heard they are from various priests
 
I don't really take ouija boards or tarot seriously. I suppose I'd try a ouija board if I didn't have to buy it myself.
For all who are involved with this junk, this is for you:
You all need to accept jesus in your lives. You know he kinda died for you right? Don't be dicks.
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I don't really take ouija boards or tarot seriously. I suppose I'd try a ouija board if I didn't have to buy it myself.


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Maybe if they'd spent more time waging war and performing roman civic duty instead of asinine squabbles on jesus' exact nature and writting boring thesis' on sin, the Babarians wouldnt have treated Rome as a cash and carry.
On reflection late Roman history makes for pretty depressing reading if you're a christian once you notice it's just one mystery cult among many and pretty much everything it is now was shaped by the mood of the specific emperors and whose the best writter.
 
I believe nature spirits exist (not in the sense of a god that's assigned some turf like I understand things like Greek spirits to be, but in the sense that the land itself has a self-awareness and personality), specifically associated with forests, rivers and their watersheds and larger landscapes (like, contiguous, coherent masses of the same rough climate and ecology, like Cascadia, possibly mountains and ranges). Of course traditional Christianity would condemn the idea of dealing with such an entity even if it existed, but to me these sort of things would be subordinate to God anyways in the same way that the Big Churches effectively worship saints, and I find the nature spirit far more plausible.

For a long time I've had religious ideas that I liked but was unwilling to actually "practice" because the idea of doing so seemed indulgent and like it would feel silly/LARPy in the extreme. But my feeling about the rivers was deep enough that I actually did begin such practice today. I went to two rivers (I guess it'd be powerleveling to say, but these are a major American river, a tributary of it, both related in some sense to my personal history and to my broader region. Went to a specific city on each that had some significance, went out into the water, prayed to the river and Jesus to fill the jar and make it a sort of totem, then baptized myself by immersion into the river with the jar and a similar prayer to accept my spirit/body back into the river's world. The key idea there was one of connection.

The rivers are significant because the water is the building blocks of the life, all the life comes from it, and the rivers tie it all together both in how they draw in from the tributaries flowing into them and the erosion feeding soil into it and how they also expel out through their irrigation. They become the centers of human civilization, stretching out along them, and the character of a stretch of country is defined by its watersheds and their relationship to one another, the watershed by the shape of the land, and the nature of a country by the mixing of the people and the water. They are modular - watersheds within watersheds within watersheds, up to the ocean as a whole - and even socially they act as both dividers and uniters among the people that live along them.

I would like to fashion myself (though I have no idea how I'd go about it) a necklace with small vials of the rivers I bottle arrayed in relation to their order of connections, like perhaps tied in links. I'd also very much like to do this at more sites. I had first gotten the desire to bottle water from important rivers when I set foot on the shores of the James River at Berkeley Plantation, where the Virginians first got off the ship. Ancestral water. The concept just expanded with my understanding of the rivers.
 
I realized something about orbit.

Orbit is like a river that enwraps the whole world. Orbit is the force of gravity drawing everything into a flow. Unlike a river, it neither feeds nor is fed by anything, it does not draw things into connection with each other. Instead it masters one thing by something larger. It likewise does not flow from one place to another, though in some sense it does draw an object into an even more complex orbit about another object (like the way the Moon makes loops in its orbit around the Sun. What makes orbit special is that it wraps around, feeds back into itself.

Orbits are not truly perfect, but at human timescales the natural bodies mostly are. The machinery of the heavens ticks along in its regular patterns, of incredible detail and geometric beauty, forever. That of course is what made astronomy so interesting to ancient people. But there is also the sense of flow. Being drawn by the force along this path, steered in a certain direction. Sufis that do their whirling dance attempt to mimic this.

None of this is new, I guess, but I never saw it as a river before. The big river in the sky that wraps around the whole world but also transcends the world.

It will never happen, but I would like to experience orbit, in untethered spaceflight, in the same manner that I've gone into the rivers.
 
I have a new batch of rivers. These weren't personal to me so I don't mind sharing them. I got the Potomac, Shenandoah (tributary of the Potomac), and the New (tributary of the Kanawha).

The first was the New River. I had a mild interest in it as one of three rivers that crosses the Appalachians (along with French Broad and Susquehanna), but I didn't know much about it otherwise and had it saved for a later trip to West Virginia. I ended up stumbling across it on accident when I happened to take a detour to Stephen Austin, founding father of Anglo-Texan settlement, birthplace. Like, something I didn't know about at all. Here's this monument and here's this boat ramp giving access to the river right next to it. So then i had a wonderful basis for a prayer not just on its age but also on the theme of new creations and the world to be (while Texas was not a "castizo futurist" state, early intermarriages between the Tejanos and Texians being followed shortly after by the Texians becoming oppressive to the former, I do see its culture, syncretic of Mexican and Southern, as a model for the future of the Golden Circle as a whole).

Afterwards I saw a double rainbow followed shortly after by a single rainbow and a beautiful misty rain and amber in the sky over the Southwest Virginia hills, which I took for an omen that God was particularly pleased, perhaps because I also made a point to make Jesus more of a focus of it too.

The next was the Potomac. Awful river. It was storming, so mind that when I anthropomorphize it, it was just the elements on that day. But it was wild, trying to throw me back out of the water. Vomiting me up. I felt my own body rejecting it. City rivers CAN be tolerable, but storms suck more filth into the water than usual, and the whole business was very uncomfortable. While dealing with this thing I got pissed enough - feeling of contempt and frustration with the whole Beltway area, an abomination - that I did something completely new and exorcised the fucking thing. Clean it instead of melt into it. Reversal of intentions. Did not feel like it achieved anything at all. If I could have done it anywhere I wanted I would have done it at Mount Vernon (didn't for a couple of reasons).

Finally I did the Shenandoah. Had no specific idea going in, but felt it's somewhat famous enough to not just pass by. It ended up being nice. Came to me easily when I walked into it. Faster river, had to be careful. Thomas Jefferson built Monticello with his office (I think, could have been the cupola) facing directly towards a gap in the mountains, Swannanoa or something, into the Shenandoah Valley. Charlottesville was basically the last of civilization before frontier at the time, and so it was a very meaningful choice to situate his great house facing towards the American interior where he intended to build his Empire of Liberty. Likewise Shenandoah was the site of Stonewall Jackson's famous Valley Campaign, where an army outnumbered about three-to-one inflicted about three-to-one casualties in a brilliant campaign of erratic, spastic movements and ballsiness. It was basically his magnum opus (like Chancellorsville was Lee's), I think you could say. Jackson was a staunch Calvinist and, from all I've ever heard of him, a genuinely good person living in a bad society. So I prayed on themes related to that: the idea of the new world to settle, of sacrifice in defense of a homeland (Jackson's death at Chancellorsville arguably doomed the Confederacy as much as anything) and how a people can destroy themselves/their world in folly turning against earlier principles.

I was struck that evening by the appearance of what I thought was Venus hanging high in the sky, kind of near the Moon, when it was still dusk, beautiful orange glow and clouds all around. Well, I think it was actually Spica tonight (I'm only just learning to read the sky). Mind you, I don't believe in astrology in the sense of a systematic science of deducing the future from universal signs. It's just too obviously falsifiable. I do believe that a phenomenon visible to multiple people can be interpreted with meaning, and with different meanings, to those different people. In my mistake I took it for an omen that there was a promise of matrimonial love.


Edit: I have also done the Watauga at Sycamore Shoals, tributary of the Holston which is a short one feeding the Tennessee. Watauga was the site of a de facto independent state that existed in the years before the Revolution. It didn't seek independence, but as Britain refused to administer squatter settlements beyond the Line of Proclamation it was effectively its own state and it quickly aligned with the Patriots. Went on to become the core of the State of Franklin and by extension the State of Tennessee, sister to Kentucky as one of the few states whose colonization was borne in the Revolution and would be the launching pad for the colonization of the great American interior. The locals like to portray it, though it exaggerates greatly, as the first of the American Revolution (there was already an insurgency in Appalachian North Carolina before Lexington and Concord, but again, it was not a separatist movement yet). Was difficult. Hot Summer but absolutely freezing, fast-moving mountain water.
 
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Dude, we have a thread for this already.
Edit: we can also tell what river you're talking about. Don't act slick, we cam tell it's probably the Mississippi and the Ohio
 
Dude, we have a thread for this already.
Edit: we can also tell what river you're talking about. Don't act slick, we cam tell it's probably the Mississippi and the Ohio
What thread?

I made a lazy/crappy Q&A thread a long time ago about rivers (what's your favorite or some such).
I don't remember another active thread about paganism/neopaganism/other woo.

Also, you're wrong.
Edit: I mean, that's a really good guess, but it's a little off. I haven't been to the Mississippi yet. Have in my life, but not since starting my Schizo Water Jar Collection.
 
Jarred myself another river today. This one was a lake I kayak on frequently that may also be thought of as "the" river locally. (To any smartasses, a lake is nothing more than a big, fat, slow-moving river; claiming it's not a river is just pedantry). There's a spot along it of some significance to the Indian Wars. It was a terrible prayer, rambling, confused, without point. I think it didn't help I was mildly sun-addled from the process of getting there. But it concluded somewhat well. The central focus was how much I hated the place until I suddenly got it. Place couldn't let me move on until I came around to feeling an affection for it, and it had a purpose for having me there in achieving spiritual awakening. Very shortly afterwards the Sun came out, very soft billowy clouds all over and bright like a classic depiction of Heaven. With the exception of the Potomac I have never visited a river and the natural world not suddenly taken on, for a short while, a much greater richness, which I take as being a sign of how pleased God is.
 
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Of course and something i find fascinating is the occult and trying to find deep meaning in yourself and the paranormal.For one example Nazi Occultism is very interesting since they tried to look for many ways to beat the Allies forces.

Heinrich Himmler was really big into the occult and the supernatural, I think their was a account of him or perhaps Hitler sending some troops to Egypt to find some artifact that he believed could help them. But i don't think that could be correct.
Do you got any sources for it? I would love to research it and there is nothing online I can find that isn't a hollyjew horror movie.
God in those 3 comes across like a machine as
Praise the Machine. Worship it with maintenance and light incense to honour the Machine Spirit and gas the glitch gremlins.

Take care of your mechanisms, and they will serve you well. Dust off your computer and make sure you light incense for it if it crashes. Do your best to keep it free of jeetcode and its malignant electrical fumes.

Flesh is weak but the Machine endures.

Also there was some news about neuron tissue interacting with the quantum fields, and how noble gasses disrupt it and render you unconscious.
 
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