Probation Ends on July 10

[qld]

Now there was the talk about Bob having a .38 or some other such gun in his filing cabinet or somewhere in the house. Since Chris & Barb are both felons and are/were on probation and cannot possess a firearm, where's the gun?

As far as I know any the existence of any such gun is purely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

I searched, and it was Marvin that put that thought in my head. It was in the thread "Bob's Filing Cabinet." All Marvin could provide was that he "thought someone said Bob had a revolver and a .30-06."
Could you imagine the probation department having to search the hoard for a pistol tucked away somewhere? God knows what contraband could be hidden away that Barb and Chris aren't even aware of.

As far as I know any the existence of any such gun is purely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

Jesus, thank you. People keep talking about Bob having guns and it's based in utter bullshit. Just because he's from the south does not make him a survivalist nutjob any more than my being from Minnesota makes me like hot dish, or anyone being from Boston makes them an asshole.

What does having a gun have to do with anyone being a survivalist nutjob? Various sources place the percentage of American households with guns at around 40%. A Washington Post poll shows 35% of Virginia households have guns, and 36% of Texas households. Several 'Yankee' states come in higher.
Bob having a gun has nothing to do with stereotypes for me, at least. Either he did or didn't. To me, having a gun said absolutely nothing about his character, beliefs or sanity.
If we're on a forum where no aspect of Chris' life is too minor, then what's wrong with debating the existence of a gun? Everything else is up for debate, since so few of us actually know him or what is really going on in his life.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

^I never said it didn't deserve mention at all, but there's not much to debate when you have no evidence to start off of in the first place. But people have been talking about this gun stuff forever.

 

[BurtyDrappedCreifs]

 

[CatParty]

As far as I know any the existence of any such gun is purely speculative and not supported by any evidence.

Jesus, thank you. People keep talking about Bob having guns and it's based in utter bullshit. Just because he's from the south does not make him a survivalist nutjob any more than my being from Minnesota makes me like hot dish, or anyone being from Boston makes them an asshole.

What does having a gun have to do with anyone being a survivalist nutjob? Various sources place the percentage of American households with guns at around 40%. A Washington Post poll shows 35% of Virginia households have guns, and 36% of Texas households. Several 'Yankee' states come in higher.
Bob having a gun has nothing to do with stereotypes for me, at least. Either he did or didn't. To me, having a gun said absolutely nothing about his character, beliefs or sanity.
If we're on a forum where no aspect of Chris' life is too minor, then what's wrong with debating the existence of a gun? Everything else is up for debate, since so few of us actually know him or what is really going on in his life.

Once it's in the hoard, it is consumed, never to be seen again. The hoard only allows its components out to get q-sands.

 

[Zero Gun: Fenrir]

He speaks the truth. The hoard only seeks to consume. Things go in, never to be seen again. Hell, I heard that a team of daring and brave explorers went into 14 Branchland Court to explore the uncharted territory known as the Chandler residence, never to be seen again. They say that the hoard seeks only to increase in power, and it does so by dragging those unlucky enough to set foot in the hoard screaming into the abyss. The hoard hunts you down, it follows you, haunting your every waking moment, making you doubt your sanity, until you finally give in, and let it take you. You can still hear the screams of those poor souls unlucky enough to encounter the hoard, and who probably exist somewhere in all of that trash, waiting for salvation that will never come.

 

[random_pickle]

He speaks the truth. The hoard only seeks to consume. Things go in, never to be seen again. Hell, I heard that a team of daring and brave explorers went into 14 Branchland Court to explore the uncharted territory known as the Chandler residence, never to be seen again. They say that the hoard seeks only to increase in power, and it does so by dragging those unlucky enough to set foot in the hoard screaming into the abyss. The hoard hunts you down, it follows you, haunting your every waking moment, making you doubt your sanity, until you finally give in, and let it take you. You can still hear the screams of those poor souls unlucky enough to encounter the hoard, and who probably exist somewhere in all of that trash, waiting for salvation that will never come.

Somebody should make this into a horror game.

 

[Zero Gun: Fenrir]

I may do that for a Comp Sci project, or somebody could just make a mod of Amnesia: The Dark Descent in order to simulate the hoard.

 

[Christ-Chan]

I don't think this in an Occam's razor situation though, they don't reduce charges that often when you've already gotten off so easy. And a lot of times if they do reduce them they make you wait one to five years to make sure you don't re-offend. At vest I think it's a toss up

He was sentenced to do a psych-evaluation, community service and to pay Snyder's medical bills; he presumably did the eval, paid the bills and they let him slip out of the service - what could he possibly have fucked up to make them re-evaluate his punishment? As far as we know he has left Snyder alone, hasn't committed any new crimes and he didn't have to do the community service. To me that sounds like he pretty much nailed it from their perspective, but I don't claim to be a lawyer.

 

[waffle]

I see what you're saying, but to me there's two problems with it. The first is that because we have no concrete statement that they are going to drop/reduce his charges from what I've seen on the wiki & forum so the only reason they would have a hearing for is if Chris fucked up. The second is that you're assuming that Chris completed several complex tasks without fucking any of them up or forgetting, to me the simplest explanation is that Chris straight up forgot to do something he had to do or misunderstood the requirement.

 

[qld]

How do we know the insurance is agreeing to pay for Chris and Barb? Maybe they don't have to pay for damages incurred during the commission of a felony. Maybe they will pay, and will turn around and sue Chris and Barb. Maybe they're holding out. There's no info on the online court record that anyone has paid anything or even been sentenced to anything. If he has to have restitution paid before terminating his probation, insurance may be holding this up for him.

 

[Christ-Chan]

But what are the odds of an insurance company refusing to pay a fee for a client without even contacting them? What are the odds of a sentence being increased without the defendant being informed of this possibility in any way whatsoever, but are just spontaneously summoned to court without even getting a word from their defense lawyer? If those things can happen I'd say the Chandlers have been right in their paranoia!

I don't think what Chris had to do was in any way "complex" - the sentence was basically that he had to do nothing for a year! This is the same kind of circus that popped up when he was sent to court in the first place, people yelling how Chris is going to jail and how he will be sued and will go broke and lose his house and this and that. The outcome of everything Chris has ever been involved with has been a slap on the wrist. He's been banned from a ton of businesses but the worst thing that's come out of it has been some mall cops. He photographed Snyder without his admission and the police officer just deleted the picture. He threatened the dean of his community college and he was let back in after a year. He trespassed, hit a man with his car and resisted arrest and all he had to do was pay a hospital bill.

Basically, if you're waiting for the system to take some kind of grand vengeance on Chris history tells us it will never happen. Again, I'm no lawyer and I'm from the opposite side of the planet of America, but if the past is any indication nothing will come to pass of this.

 

[qld]

I don't think he was spontaneously summoned to court. He had a date set in June to show up in September. How do you know the lawyer doesn't know? Maybe he's over it and won't be going unless they want to pay him more. Maybe it really isn't a big to-do, and the lawyer told them he wasn't needed. As far as the insurance goes, we don't know what they did or didn't do. That's the point. Have they have flat out told them they wouldn't pay? Don't know. Have they paid it? Online court record doesn't reflect it. Chris' income is judgment proof, it can't be garnished. I don't know what Barb gets, but hers may be too. They could put a lien on the property to satisfy judgment. Why does everyone want to assume Chris tells everything he knows? He evidently has a court hearing for September, he's not even mentioned it. Probation supposedly ended last week, he's not even mentioned it. So why would he tell the bad news?

 

[waffle]

Oh no, don't get me wrong, unless he fully spergs out in court(which he wont do) it's just going to be "Probation Saga II: Electric Boogaloo" at most. Just because Chris violates his probation doesn't mean that they'll care, but it does look like they are at least having a hearing to decide if they do.

qld: Insurance doesn't pay for things you intentionally did, but I think the consensus form another thread was that the insurance they were paying with was actually the payout from Bob's life insurance.

 

[Christ-Chan]

I don't think he was spontaneously summoned to court. He had a date set in June to show up in September. How do you know the lawyer doesn't know? Maybe he's over it and won't be going unless they want to pay him more. Maybe it really isn't a big to-do, and the lawyer told them he wasn't needed. As far as the insurance goes, we don't know what they did or didn't do. That's the point. Have they have flat out told them they wouldn't pay? Don't know. Have they paid it? Online court record doesn't reflect it. Chris' income is judgment proof, it can't be garnished. I don't know what Barb gets, but hers may be too. They could put a lien on the property to satisfy judgment. Why does everyone want to assume Chris tells everything he knows? He evidently has a court hearing for September, he's not even mentioned it. Probation supposedly ended last week, he's not even mentioned it. So why would he tell the bad news?

Because some people on this board know far beyond what he posts on Facebook and they have have expressed their belief that there's nothing going on behind the drapery.

I don't mean to sound combative, everyone's entitled to believe whatever they wish to believe, but there is some wiiild speculation going on in this thread.

 

[qld]

I don't think he was spontaneously summoned to court. He had a date set in June to show up in September. How do you know the lawyer doesn't know? Maybe he's over it and won't be going unless they want to pay him more. Maybe it really isn't a big to-do, and the lawyer told them he wasn't needed. As far as the insurance goes, we don't know what they did or didn't do. That's the point. Have they have flat out told them they wouldn't pay? Don't know. Have they paid it? Online court record doesn't reflect it. Chris' income is judgment proof, it can't be garnished. I don't know what Barb gets, but hers may be too. They could put a lien on the property to satisfy judgment. Why does everyone want to assume Chris tells everything he knows? He evidently has a court hearing for September, he's not even mentioned it. Probation supposedly ended last week, he's not even mentioned it. So why would he tell the bad news?

Because some people on this board know far beyond what he posts on Facebook and they have have expressed their belief that there's nothing going on behind the drapery.

I don't mean to sound combative, everyone's entitled to believe whatever they wish to believe, but there is some wiiild speculation going on in this thread.

If we go down that road, this board is starting to turn into a religion. At one point, nothing is true unless there are pics and docs. The next point, "just believe it, because we told you so and we know. How do we know? Well, we're not telling." I say whenever we don't get the docs, pics, or satisfactory evidence of witnesses or statements, anyone here can speculate all they want on that particular subject without being impugned. Otherwise, this board would be fairly pointless.

 

[Christ-Chan]

Because some people on this board know far beyond what he posts on Facebook and they have have expressed their belief that there's nothing going on behind the drapery.

I don't mean to sound combative, everyone's entitled to believe whatever they wish to believe, but there is some wiiild speculation going on in this thread.

If we go down that road, this board is starting to turn into a religion. At one point, nothing is true unless there are pics and docs. The next point, "just believe it, because we told you so and we know. How do we know? Well, we're not telling." I say whenever we don't get the docs, pics, or satisfactory evidence of witnesses or statements, anyone here can speculate all they want on that particular subject without being impugned. Otherwise, this board would be fairly pointless.[/quote]
There's a difference between discussing a theory and fledging around in the darkness (which is why we have a What if? forum), but whatever. I'm not a mod or even a poster of any significant worth so this'll be the last I say on the subject.

 

[qld]

I think of theory as being speculation on all of the known unknowns. We know we don't know if Chris paid his dues. We know we don't know if the state wants to revoke his probation and send him away.
The What If Board is not theory, it's the presentation of something like "What if Barb Died?" We know she didn't. But it's about what would happen if she did. The difference on this side of the board, we know something about the current result or condition, and we are trying to work backwards to figure out why it is, not how it could be. At least that's how I see it.
If someone on this board was at the courthouse when he came in and paid full restitution in cash, we still don't know it because they aren't talking. Maybe they're not able to. Maybe they're family, maybe they work for the courthouse and have a confidentiality agreement. Maybe they work for the courthouse and they're the reason a lot of the details have been omitted from the online court record. But neither should we assume any of that is the case, nor should I criticize you making such a supposition, if you choose to. Disclaimer: I don't particularly believe any of that last part to be the case. Exempli gratia.

 

[Marvin]

I think of theory as being speculation on all of the known unknowns. We know we don't know if Chris paid his dues. We know we don't know if the state wants to revoke his probation and send him away.
The What If Board is not theory, it's the presentation of something like "What if Barb Died?" We know she didn't. But it's about what would happen if she did. The difference on this side of the board, we know something about the current result or condition, and we are trying to work backwards to figure out why it is, not how it could be. At least that's how I see it.
If someone on this board was at the courthouse when he came in and paid full restitution in cash, we still don't know it because they aren't talking. Maybe they're not able to. Maybe they're family, maybe they work for the courthouse and have a confidentiality agreement. Maybe they work for the courthouse and they're the reason a lot of the details have been omitted from the online court record. But neither should we assume any of that is the case, nor should I criticize you making such a supposition, if you choose to. Disclaimer: I don't particularly believe any of that last part to be the case. Exempli gratia.

I don't think they're having to pay Snyder in one big payment. I think they have to make payments over time. And they're doing that. And in general, I'm pretty sure they're complying with everything they have to. Or, a better way to put it is that they're complying with everything, and if they missed something, I don't know about it.

 

[qld]

I think of theory as being speculation on all of the known unknowns. We know we don't know if Chris paid his dues. We know we don't know if the state wants to revoke his probation and send him away.
The What If Board is not theory, it's the presentation of something like "What if Barb Died?" We know she didn't. But it's about what would happen if she did. The difference on this side of the board, we know something about the current result or condition, and we are trying to work backwards to figure out why it is, not how it could be. At least that's how I see it.
If someone on this board was at the courthouse when he came in and paid full restitution in cash, we still don't know it because they aren't talking. Maybe they're not able to. Maybe they're family, maybe they work for the courthouse and have a confidentiality agreement. Maybe they work for the courthouse and they're the reason a lot of the details have been omitted from the online court record. But neither should we assume any of that is the case, nor should I criticize you making such a supposition, if you choose to. Disclaimer: I don't particularly believe any of that last part to be the case. Exempli gratia.

I don't think they're having to pay Snyder in one big payment. I think they have to make payments over time. And they're doing that. And in general, I'm pretty sure they're complying with everything they have to. Or, a better way to put it is that they're complying with everything, and if they missed something, I don't know about it.

Okay, but again, what is the deal with the lack of info on his online court records? Other offenders in the same system and roughly same time periods have details of their sentence and restitution they've paid, or fines. Why is his so vague and empty? I can't believe it is only a coincidence that reflects his vapidness and emptiness as a shell of a human. I never suggested one big payment, but there should at least be an amount they have to pay, and what they have paid in installments as time goes by.

 

[Marvin]

I think of theory as being speculation on all of the known unknowns. We know we don't know if Chris paid his dues. We know we don't know if the state wants to revoke his probation and send him away.
The What If Board is not theory, it's the presentation of something like "What if Barb Died?" We know she didn't. But it's about what would happen if she did. The difference on this side of the board, we know something about the current result or condition, and we are trying to work backwards to figure out why it is, not how it could be. At least that's how I see it.
If someone on this board was at the courthouse when he came in and paid full restitution in cash, we still don't know it because they aren't talking. Maybe they're not able to. Maybe they're family, maybe they work for the courthouse and have a confidentiality agreement. Maybe they work for the courthouse and they're the reason a lot of the details have been omitted from the online court record. But neither should we assume any of that is the case, nor should I criticize you making such a supposition, if you choose to. Disclaimer: I don't particularly believe any of that last part to be the case. Exempli gratia.

I don't think they're having to pay Snyder in one big payment. I think they have to make payments over time. And they're doing that. And in general, I'm pretty sure they're complying with everything they have to. Or, a better way to put it is that they're complying with everything, and if they missed something, I don't know about it.

Okay, but again, what is the deal with the lack of info on his online court records? Other offenders in the same system and roughly same time periods have details of their sentence and restitution they've paid, or fines. Why is his so vague and empty? I can't believe it is only a coincidence that reflects his vapidness and emptiness as a shell of a human. I never suggested one big payment, but there should at least be an amount they have to pay, and what they have paid in installments as time goes by.

I don't know how their court system works. Do you have an example of another criminal record in the same area that shows how much they have to pay? Not that I don't believe you, but I'm curious to compare their entry to Chris'.