Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

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Reputedly Valrin is lead dev, but is also AWOL or on holiday or something, crippling his leadership abilities. Apparently for the past few hours the dev team has been engaged in frentic messaging and are undertaking huge purges of the TNO discord. There are also unverified rumors of a list of "sus" people being made on the dev team. I would hazard a guess it's being done to purge rivals on the team before they purge them back.

Into this enters Barge (another dev), who is making a play for the dilator throne. Panzer has been unable to offer much firsthand help in all this (apparently he only has access to his phone and is busy struggling to keep his discount tranny mod empire imploding). It's gotten so bad that Panzer deleted his git content (since it contains personal details of the devs) and has fucked over both TNO and even Godherja to a lesser extent.
The clock is ticking....

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The TNO development leadership has totally collapsed, the github repository has been deleted as well.

Every single lead developer in TNO has quit and other senior developers are calling for purges.
Only Jacob can fix this shit, but he won't bother with TNO for sure - he has Godherja to fuck with already.

7 or so years to develop, and just one night to crumble entirely.
 
The TNO development leadership has totally collapsed, the github repository has been deleted as well.

Every single lead developer in TNO has quit and other senior developers are calling for purges.
Only Jacob can fix this shit, but he won't bother with TNO for sure - he has Godherja to fuck with already.

7 or so years to develop, and just one night to crumble entirely.
Oh look. Another mod that took seven years to develop but so little time to collapse. Fucking Omegalul.
 
But wait, there's more!
ThePinkPanzer (powerword: Jacob Anthony Zaborowski)


Including links to his tumblrs, fanfiction, pinterest, etc. Plus some pics.

Instagram/pinterest

Tumblr/Knockout

Fanfic and deviantart
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NetEase games are guaranteed to have their entire modding scene implode if they follow his advice lmao.
 
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Archiving doesn't seem to work very well, so I took screenshots of the most relevant stuff and saved the rest. If internet archive is successful I'll update, otherwise I'll post what I managed to save here.

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ThePinkPanzer: 2014-2020
Pacifica: 2020-2021
Hetman: 2021-2021
Valerin: 2021-2021
Position abolished: 2021
 
Probably the last spreadsheet for today: The testing spreadsheet

TNO development at its finest - nothing protected, literally almost public information. Not like that ever happened before.
 

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One of the gems from the doc has the developers complaining about deadlines and having too much work to do. What's funnier is how Panzer did virtually no work yet was praised anyways and you can tell people here resent that fact.

It seems like the biggest problem for this mod was that they took its development (much like the 'message' it was meant to convey) far too seriously. They created headaches and made themselves miserable, burning out and bickering over development and the direction it took.
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Frederick von Troonstein (Ultranationalist)

Reporting on the latest developments: The mods have deleted the "join/leave" channel on their discord and are desperately trying to keep the whole thing under wraps.
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Meanwhile, the emails of the devs have been leaked:
Corn Man#8467 @cursedaf1 cursedaf1@gmail.com Xabiar#1022 @Xabiar xabiarauthor@gmail.com KyivWorker#9963 Don't have one, yet quinlinosadczuk@gmail.com Corn Man#8467 @cursedaf1 cursedaf1@gmail.com The Dyketator#3920 I don't have one. 42awesomesauce42@gmail.com Britannia rules the waves#6229 Britannia Britannia.rules.the.waves.TNO@gmail.com Cиний#1984 @Blue_the_Human comradeblueberry@gmail.com EnderBlitz#1776 @Laika03 enderblitz84@gmail.com ( i hate this one exceptionally) GeneralDoggo#0372 @GeneralDoggo badpiggies37@gmail.com thread#2823 thread-hoi4 hoi4thread@gmail.com News_12#9073 @cascott4 cascott4@gmail.com mop#7182 @moppp emailmasterofparadox@gmail.com The_Auracle448#7767 @atom1cauraguard1an atom1cauraguard1an@gmail.com DruimNanDeur#0442 @DruimNanDeur conor.maclennan@gmail.com ☼Kamerun☼#9120 No gitlab as of yet. Camgram3412@gmail.com GalacticPug07#0953 gp07tno@gmail.com Daru#5069 @Duwang daru191407@gmail.com Azhadron#0755 @azhadron1 combustiblelemons1@gmail.com Matsuo_Basho#6529 @andy98822 andy98822@gmail.com Gen. Danny V#6471 [I do not have a Gitlab Account] aryadaniel3@gmail.com Danielle#2190 I don't have one danielle.rae@mail.mcgill.ca IntegerZ#0209 @lordoftherings48 lordoftherings48@gmail.com moieight#9884 @moieight moieight6@gmail.com Fetti#9906 Fetti#9906 fettifireware@gmail.com Hugh6734#8724 @hughmungus6734 hughmungus6734@gmail.com LiteralMutt#3873 N/a takahashitetsuo75@gmail.com Bottlecap#2484 Boomercap Bottlemodder@gmail.com

ElvichuCondon@gmail.com - Spughatti (Jannie)
Lorenzorkitane@gmail.com - Marethyu (Jannie)
Hemsleybros@gmail.com - Alexmaths (Jannie)
enderblitz84@gmail.com - Ender (Jannie)
pikachuandpulterpup@gmail.com - Spar-kie (Jannie)
enderblitz84@gmail.com - Ender (Jannie)
pikachuandpulterpup@gmail.com - Spar-kie (Jannie)
angus.dresner@gmail.com - Curving (Dev)
mrm.einstein2004113@gmail.com - Einstein (Reddit Jannie)
dreadgrunt@yahoo.com - Dreadgrunt (Dev Lead)
rangeroswald@gmail.com - Panzer (troon)
Pacificavii@gmail.com - Pacifica (troon2)
zslayernslay@gmail.com - Heisenbee (Dev)
stefen.mink@gmail.com - SANS UNDERTALE (Dev)
gaijin.advanced@hotmail.com.au - Salty John (Dev Lead)
Tortlewriting@gmail.com - TheTortle (Dev Lead)
Raoultastisch@web.de - Raoul (Dev Lead)
Triggerspawn@gmail.com - Barge (Dev Lead)
trainsrg68@gmail.com - A Certain Pole (Dev Lead)
ElvichuCondon@gmail.com - Spughatti (Jannie)
Lorenzorkitane@gmail.com - Marethyu (Jannie)
Hemsleybros@gmail.com - Alexmaths (Jannie)

Who the fuck was in charge of these docs? Who left these on a publicly accessible google document and why? Why do they need to collect all this information?

The additional retarded thing is how this isn't the first time this has happened. But they clearly didn't learn the lesson the first time. People complain about bad leadership, overreaching mods, bullying, putting up their public data in easily accessible documents, and nothing is done.
 

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The TNO development leadership has totally collapsed, the github repository has been deleted as well.

Every single lead developer in TNO has quit and other senior developers are calling for purges.
Only Jacob can fix this shit, but he won't bother with TNO for sure - he has Godherja to fuck with already.

7 or so years to develop, and just one night to crumble entirely.
this is fake info lol
 
The TNO development leadership has totally collapsed, the github repository has been deleted as well.

Every single lead developer in TNO has quit and other senior developers are calling for purges.
Only Jacob can fix this shit, but he won't bother with TNO for sure - he has Godherja to fuck with already.

7 or so years to develop, and just one night to crumble entirely.
This is why anything with troons involved collapses no matter how qualified or talented they are.
 
I've been trawling through the leaked dev communication and organization files for TNO that was posted earlier. The forum only has complaints from October from when Panzer was still lead dev to the 26th of January this year. So unfortunately there are no reactions to the recent doxes. In the TNO Review Forum, there is a very common pattern of complaints. (any image without a time stamp has been cut up because of its length or applying to other sections of this post)

Such as team leads expressing that they rarely have an opportunity to do any team leading and that they're referred to as "foot soldiers' because all they do is compile reports and are largely uninvolved or unaware of development ongoings for their own department. The implication seems to be that this is the case for a majority of teams. 3 images
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Lack of understanding of team structure and the powers of each role due to such things not being properly outlined and readily available. As well as a lack of communication 6 images
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Rampant complaints about crunch culture, inactive devs and high level developers mistreating team members. These are by far the most prominent complaint. 16 images
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PinkPanzer's (former lead dev) rampant inactivity before they stepped down and him being the face of the mod despite rarely working on it. 6 images
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Aspects of the mod being developed in secret by developers coding in secret. Particularly Reinhard's story causing significant trouble. (he gets a redemption arch, destroys burgundy and germany and kills himself after assuming power in his victory of the German civil war after Hitler dies) 5 images
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Discontent with the development path and content of certain nations and areas. 3 images
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Misc shit relating to the Discord, its moderation, and complaints about TNO's story for personal reasons.
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Need to type this one out because the retard who brought it up doesn't know how to format shit and let it run on so it can't be gotten in a single screenshot.
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"I feel the need to express my dissatisfaction with the way that Maarshalker's situation was handled. While I trust the mods' decision to ban Toaster, I do think it should be obvious that the victim of the harassment (Maarsh) should have been consulted before action was taken, at the very least as a heads up. This wasn't done, leading to Maarsh seemingly panicking and the victim in the situation being muted for an hour in all channels and being told to "take a seat, dude." This situation spiraled out of control over the next 24 hours and devolved into Maarsh's suicidal threats and idealizations until he had to be removed from the team.

I won't defend Maarsh's threats, nor defend his place on the team after he made them, but the lack of support offered to him after he was the victim of harassment seems like at best a drastic oversight and at worst a callous disregard for the individual we should be taking action to protect. This becomes doubly true when you consider our channel, #snowflakes_anonymous, which theoritcally should be used for additional support to those going through difficult mental struggles, whose purpose was seemingly ignored in the proceedings (besides being the location of some drama that unfolded) Maarsh had posted for months in- (cuts off the scream because they're a retard and that part is lost) Does this mean we ought to have ignored Maarsh's threats or that the mod team is at fault for his suicidal messages? Absolutely not, but to pretend like nothing more could have been done is far from the truth, and I was hoping that the team says that it provides a safe place for it's members would do so properly.

In short, while I understand the punishments involved all around, I'm displeased with the team's rough handling of a sensitive individual, and hope that some kind of lesson is learned to prevent this type of situation in the future."


The gist of it is that there is a complete lack of organized systems and communication between teams to get anything done in regards to management outside of individual dev chats and limited individual documentation of each nation. Leading to huge amounts of work being thrown out, vetoed or spontantiously reworked at any time. The actual coders rarely do work, doubly so for the higher up individuals. Crunch culture and mistreatment is extremely prominent in a video game mod and widely used by the higher ups due to their disorganized structure and demanding deadlines combined with how seriously the higher-ups take it. Also the Discord mods are gay.
 

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