Off-Topic "Scientific" Studies regarding Transpeople

[PeachDream]

This image is funny, just because the words "male" and "female" lose all meaning in these topics. Is it female at birth, are they just being nice to MTF trannies? Who fuckin' knows anymore and I don't care enough to open the article to find out.
If it's FTM trannies then NICE, welcome to the 4:1 male:female suicide rate ladies - i see you're making up for lost time!

I assumed that's what the little 1s and 2s next to the words were clarifying lol

 

[Murry Loon]

That is highly contested and veers into a whole separate argument on whether there is a female and male brain.

incredible that you manage to possess none at all and yet are still able to make posts

Caitlyn Jenner then threatened to beat him up

I think shapiro and jenner are both ugly lil baby men (..speaking more allegorically in the caitlyn case) but it would've been very funny to watch benny boy get decked in the face by brucey

 

[Coo Coo Bird]

Well this isn't surprising. Males do kill themselves more. It would be interesting to see how true and honest women compete with pooners on that regard.

There seems to be confusion: the graphic I posted is the standard suicide rate for the population. So troons kill themselves twice as much as normal men, who already kill themselves at a much higher rate than women. Pooners kill themselves at the "average rate", or twice as much as normal women. So, even when they 41%, they're still acting like their real sex.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Oops.

Oh no. Who could have seen this coming?

 

[Haramburger]

I wonder why the FtMs don't have an increased risk of suicide? Perhaps they don't actually mind being mutilated and think it's just another route to the goal of "men please don't find me attractive, I want to be invisible and not fucked, I hope daddy/uncle/pastor never finds me again"?

Anyways I don't want to read this boring-ass story, I want it YELLED to me by Youtubers who want to debate each other and skate as close as possible to the TOS like a fucking joust for my amusement. I'll settle for a Tim Pool/Ben Shapiro monologging it to a wall though.

 

[RotPockets]

41% is just attempts, if it included successes it would be almost 100%. The only exclusions being trannies that died in car accidents on the way home, or those that died on a filthy operating table in Thailand on the business end of the butcher’s melon baller. Who wouldn’t want to kill themselves after cutting their cock off for what is essentially a putrid hair filled gauged belly button.

 

[PeachDream]

Double post but

Whatever people might think of Ben Shapiro is irrelevant here: he had a point, and we're probably wasting time and finances that could be going towards researching alternative treatment methods for these people.

I mean the real point is people have mental disorders, they feel powerless in their lives, they're poor, they don't have friends or a family, they don't have a fulfilling job...
Then someone comes along and gives them this Matrix like red pill / blue pill moment where their whole life has been a lie, they're really someone else, and that's why they've been miserable.
It's a lot easier to cope with than admitting that every aspect of your life is just kinda shitty and realistically there's little you can do about it.

 

[Kiwi Yuga]

At the risk of power leveling, I have a lot of experience reading and writing peer reviewed literature, though not in the medical field. Although I agree with the conclusion that troons are more likely to kill themselves post-op, I don't think this article does a good job of supporting that statement. There are several things about this that stick out to me, but my experience is limited enough that I don't know if this is just the way the medical journals operate, or if they are actually problems with the article. I also haven't taken the time to look for more comprehensive reviews of the data presented in the article.

That said, here is what I see:

1. The article is incredibly short. It reads more like a high school or lower division college assignment than a peer reviewed article, with typos and all (though typos do regularly appear in prestigious journals). Most of the other issues I have stem from this problem. This is really only an issue because they lack appropriate detail in every section that would provide meaningful context to allow for an appropriate analysis of the study.
2. The methods section is completely and utterly absent of methods. They show where they got their data from, and say that rates of psychiatric encounters were calculated from these data. This is a problem, because in their results, they include p values which indicate some kind of statistical test (I would assume a t-test judging from the kind of data they are using) was performed, but they do not say what.
3. They do not address glaring issues such as the interannual variability in suicide rates. They don't discuss the differences in response from TIMs compared to TIFs, or the relevant biological population they are best compare to, as has been noted earlier in the thread. They don't discuss age, which has a demonstrable correlation between suicide rates, or economic status which does too. There are just a lot of different variables that they are ignoring.

Ultimately, the more I look and think about it, the more I could add to this list, but I don't see much of a point in doing that. My issues with it, combined with the fact that it was published nearly 3 years ago and nobody paid any attention to it at all, indicate to me that this really isn't worth adding to your toolbox of "studies that prove my beliefs are correct". If you try to use this study in a debate against anyone with any scientific background, they will easily pick it apart because it isn't a good article.

 

[Marc]

If these statistics are or have remained in any way accurate, I wonder if they’re still reproducing (i.e., scheming and forcing their way into the personal lives of unmonitored children) at a rate greater than they’re self-terminating. Should the current rate sustain itself, it might amount to freeing up some parking spaces - Which would certainly exceed any hopes I have for the species. I can scarcely imagine a world improved to such a degree.

 

[CM_Gwyn]

We need to help all of these poor dirty commie troons get gender affirming care. Bump that 41% up

 

[frozen_runner]

View attachment 5810672
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db398.htm

Testosterone helps to suppress neuroticism. Shocking.

 

[Kiwi Yuga]

Testosterone helps to suppress neuroticism. Shocking.

I think the bigger takeaway is that if TIFs have a suicide rate comparable to the 'general population' post-op, that means it is likely elevated compared to women who aren't mentally ill, but that this trend is obfuscated because the "general population" isn't appropriate to compare suicide rates to when there are significant differences in suicide rates between men and women.

 

[Dancing Axolotl]

Sounds like the women who get rotdogs attached have a less likelihood of offing themselves somehow despite the horrific arm, leg, stomach, and sometimes mouth surgeries for when their urethra fails. I know from the SRS thread that it's all cope but lol.

 

[Glowie]

Dear god.
41% all the way.
I'm sure is now near 50%.

41% is very generous and troons go back to crying about lack of representation and bullying being cause of suicide, causing irreversible neurological and physical damage doesn't have anything to do with suicidal cluster B personality disorder crowd.

Nothing to see here, no sir. That's just bigots talking.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Having a wound you have to continue to pry open is unpleasant, who knew?

 

[Your Starter for 10]

It's funny because they are always saying it is white men killing all the trannies, and, well, it turns out they are right.

 

[Kiwi Yuga]

https://www.auajournals.org/doi/full/10.1097/JU.0000000000002262.02

If anyone has $40 to burn, this was published in the same journal 6 months later and includes most of the original authors of the paper in question. This is usually an indication that someone wrote a response that questions the methods/conclusions of the original article, and the authors responded to provide additional context, analysis, or other discourse. It probably isn't worth $40 and I doubt it will provide anything to improve the credibility of the original article, but it exists if anyone is that curious.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

It’s almost as if cutting off a porn addicts genitalia may make them wish for the sweet release of death… nah, it’s the chuds misgendering that’s the problem.

>troon is voice-acting a monster pretending to be a woman
>Alejandro Caraballo is temporarily suspended from twitter
>proof positive troons will 41% themselves realizing chopping dicks off doesn't make them happy

Helluva twenty-four hours, helluva twenty-four hours.

It’s been helluva year with the Vaush drama, GG 2.0, Red Pill Confirmed dead, and more.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Trannies on double the suicide watch rn.

I think the bigger takeaway is that if TIFs have a suicide rate comparable to the 'general population' post-op, that means it is likely elevated compared to women who aren't mentally ill, but that this trend is obfuscated because the "general population" isn't appropriate to compare suicide rates to when there are significant differences in suicide rates between men and women.

Exactly. the way is worded make it seem like everything is normal but men rates of suicide are several times higher than women. If pooners are even close to that number then they are at a much higher risk of suicide than any other woman.

 

[FunPosting101]

From the featured content page: "Suicide attempts double after gender reassignment surgery across -900 MtF patients, according to study. Please pretend to be surprised."

No can do @Null, this is beyond my meager ability to feign shock or astonishment. My sincerest apologies.