Sept 28 2024 - Chris and Flutter in Helsinki, Finland

[McSneaks]

Any proof of that out there? Jail left Chris with 20+ months of accumulated tugboat IIRC and he has no problems blowing it off assuming dumbass didn't gave Caden keys to his bank account.

You sure about this? Pretty sure most benefits are cut off immediately once you're in for more than 30 days. It's for food and shelter which you're getting free why would they give it to you?

This is why most longterm prisoners are completely fucked and immediately go back in because (the best you get in some states) is like $75 and a bus ticket upon release. Otherwise most people would come out WAY better than they went in. Go for 10 years come back with 100k? That would be an amazing system otherwise if you're homeless, go in every winter and come out warm, fed, and with 6k

I don't know how uniform that is across the whole country, I guess...

 

[FinnSven]

Any proof of that out there? Jail left Chris with 20+ months of accumulated tugboat IIRC and he has no problems blowing it off assuming dumbass didn't gave Caden keys to his bank account.

Perhaps.

But from what I have seen of her and local knowledge of where she may be from, it’s a bit of a “trust me bro” I admit, she more than likely is from a family with some money.

 

[demicolon]

You sure about this? Pretty sure most benefits are cut off immediately once you're in for more than 30 days. It's for food and shelter which you're getting free why would they give it to you?

Benefits are cut for the convicted and institutionalized for more than 30 days to determine competency for trial. Chris was charged, but not convicted and send to the loony bin a few months after his arrest. He probably received tugboat for at least those first few months.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

Benefits are cut for the convicted and institutionalized for more than 30 days to determine competency for trial. Chris was charged, but not convicted and send to the loony bin a few months after his arrest. He probably received tugboat for at least those first few months.

Exactly. That being said, the funds wouldn't be an endless resource.
Chris bought a car, a Switch and many games for it since then (Totalling around 6K) just in the span of a few months. In addition to that, we saw loads of new Transformers figures in his colleciton, including the $200 Titan Nemesis. Chris also paid a fair bit for the AirBNB and fuel/flights to Animate Raleigh/two Finland visits. In addition to that, Chris pays rents to Caden, but most likely doesn't see much profits from the actual store. This means that his best source of direct income would actually be livestreams, which are now few and far between, mostly due to the Finland trips. I'd say that the money has now mostly been drained and he can't rely on it anymore.

 

[McSneaks]

Benefits are cut for the convicted and institutionalized for more than 30 days to determine competency for trial. Chris was charged, but not convicted and send to the loony bin a few months after his arrest. He probably received tugboat for at least those first few months.

There's a huge difference between "a few months" and 21+like you first stated. Like, over 20k difference

 

[King Kiwi]

Perhaps.

But from what I have seen of her and local knowledge of where she may be from, it’s a bit of a “trust me bro” I admit, she more than likely is from a family with some money.

Maybe she's the heiress of cabbages.

I'd say that the money has now mostly been drained and he can't rely on it anymore.

That would only leave the tugboat and the Cabbage Heiress.

 

[demicolon]

There's a huge difference between "a few months" and 21+like you first stated. Like, over 20k difference

Chris spend about 20 months in jail, 8 months before institutionalization where he was declared incompetent for trial. That's at least 8 grand in bank and 12 grand lost assuming hospital stay cut off the tugboat. Huge difference but not 20k. If you believe Praetor then tugboat was not cut at all. He certainly had a lot of money from somewhere and I doubt Caden would fund all the trash Chris splurged on shortly after getting out.
What's interesting is Chris had a debt hearing shortly before release, and got it waived due to having no money but it might be that SSDI is not eligible for debtors.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

Chris spend about 20 months in jail, 8 months before institutionalization where he was declared incompetent for trial. That's at least 8 grand in bank and 12 grand lost assuming hospital stay cut off the tugboat. Huge difference but not 20k. If you believe Praetor then tugboat was not cut at all. He certainly had a lot of money from somewhere and I doubt Caden would fund all the trash Chris splurged on shortly after getting out.
What's interesting is Chris had a debt hearing shortly before release, and got it waived due to having no money but it might be that SSDI is not eligible for debtors.

Interestingly enough, when Caden was arrested, he filed a document detailing how he had no money to cover for the attorney. Ended up only paying $46 for the case total.
I'll actually link it here since I have found it recently during the transfer of files between my old and new phones.
This might actually be the case, since Caden cobought a house two months prior and most likely has also paid for Chris's setup around that time. The money from the Etsy store's used to pay off Caden, his other workers and the house, but I don't think it is THAT much, at most around 15K a month, and I believe only about 2/3rds of it are profit.

 

[A Grey Cat]

wow so not only did Chris land a Finnish blonde who seems to have access to the fountain of youth (but not the fountain of attractiveness) but he also potentially bagged a rich one? One who even if marrying her means the tugboat goes bye bye she'll have a fortune for them to live off?


Forget the Bible, I think Chris sold his soul to the fucking devil while he was in jail. He's getting the young pretty rich blonde to sugar momma him he's wanted for 20 odd years...but he's had to be cadens lap doggy/circus monkey who dances for peanuts while he waits to put the ring on fluttercabbages finger.


Oh and there's the whole mr Morningstar gets his soul for all eternity once he finally does go belly up....again IF that's what he did to get this level of tard luck.

 

[AnOminous]

Here I'll dumb it down: Both parents knew Chris would never have anyone in his life after they were gone to bury him. So instead of providing a place for him after he goes tits up, they just blew it off.

I think they were more concerned with Chris being alive than some totally distant future event. It's one thing to have prepaid arrangements for when you know it's coming soon but decades later, the place may very well have gone belly up.

One who even if marrying her means the tugboat goes bye bye she'll have a fortune for them to live off?

SSDI is not means-based so it wouldn't matter. If he collected some part as SSI, he'd be ineligible but I'm pretty sure he's already ineligible for that.

 

[Glowie]

wow so not only did Chris land a Finnish blonde who seems to have access to the fountain of youth (but not the fountain of attractiveness) but he also potentially bagged a rich one? One who even if marrying her means the tugboat goes bye bye she'll have a fortune for them to live off?

Being dual citizen and if Chris moves here (Please no) he can't claim state specific US welfare on TOP of Finnish tugboat for the unemployed and disabled, basic tugboat from gubmint, disability tugboat. This means however in first time of his life Chris has to fill and pay Finnish taxes if the nightmare scenario happened

 

[merrybrandybuck]

Being dual citizen and if Chris moves here (Please no) he can't claim state specific US welfare on TOP of Finnish tugboat for the unemployed and disabled, basic tugboat from gubmint, disability tugboat. This means however in first time of his life Chris has to fill and pay Finnish taxes if the nightmare scenario happened

Does the Finnish gibs authority not ask for bank statements etc to deduct any income from what they pay you?

 

[FedPostalService]

Given Caden's past statements regarding his intentions towards Chris, it seems unlikely that he'd be doing anything to drop him. Chris is basically paying for the Big Island house, through rent and selling crap.

There is one giant sword that could potentially be held over Chris' head: do as Caden says, or become homeless. Chris won't do anything that might risk his ability to sit on his ass and go along with the status quo, since that would mean having to grow up, get a job, a place of his own, etc., so whatever Caden says to do, he does.

Caden's a massive piece of shit, and if he got run over by a bus tomorrow the world would be better off for it. My suspicion is that he's essentially keeping Chris in indentured servitude, but that's only a suspicion at this point.

Surely Chris isn’t generating that much money? I want a cursed Sonichu medallion as much as the next man but the price and the possibility of getting doxed if Chris or one of his tard wranglers has a bad day puts me off.

He’s not exactly a top streamer either?

 

[Glowie]

Does the Finnish gibs authority not ask for bank statements etc to deduct any income from what they pay you?

Finnish gibs outright refuse to give you following gibs if you have insurance or private trust fund for the following
- Rent support
- Living support
- Child support
- Healthcare
- Pensions
- Food support
- General welfare.

That being said there's VAT of 24% and limit to amount of gibs, which means Chris could afford bedroom, kitchen, bathroom flat on rent in concrete ghetto with drug and minority gangs making the place a living hell. Kiss your personal belongings goodbye since stealing is the norm in shit hole parts of the city.
I can see him living with flutters if he remembers to apply for a visa, later citizenship.
Internet people of Finland fear that will be a VERY real possibility, Chris doesn't have a infamous reputation here (yet)

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Chris spend about 20 months in jail, 8 months before institutionalization where he was declared incompetent for trial.

He was not "declared incompetent for trial." If he had been he would have been released from criminally related confinement, not sent back to jail. He also did not need to be determined incompetent for trial bc he got the deferred disposition. He was (if he was) at the mental facility for testing because you have to have that to qualify for the 'tism deferred disposition. I'm sure they did comprehensive testing for all purposes, but he's pretty clearly competent to understand things at trial (it's a low bar), so the focus was on assessing him for the deferral.

That's at least 8 grand in bank and 12 grand lost assuming hospital stay cut off the tugboat. Huge difference but not 20k. If you believe Praetor then tugboat was not cut at all. He certainly had a lot of money from somewhere and I doubt Caden would fund all the trash Chris splurged on shortly after getting out.
What's interesting is Chris had a debt hearing shortly before release, and got it waived due to having no money but it might be that SSDI is not eligible for debtors.

On termination of benefits, I don't think you have the analysis correct.

SSDI benefits normally terminate after conviction for a crime, once you have been confined post-conviction for 30 days (after over a year, it's a process to re-start) after you are convicted of a crime.

SSDI benefits do not terminate, generally, for pre-conviction confinement, and even if you're in a long time, if you're found not guilty through the normal process, they don't.

Chris was not convicted of a crime. However, his deferred disposition and remaining confined at state expense probably meets the terms of USC 402(x)(1)(A)(ii)(IV) (Social Security), which would likely mean per the SSA, they would have terminated 30 days after the deferral agreement was granted (not completed, but granted). He should have received benefits for the period up to that point, even though confined. That may have been acknowledged in the deferred disposition agreement, since it was obviously negotiated that he would be confined during probation.

If SSDI were cut off for debtors, there would be 3 people on it. SSDI can also be garnished for repayment of certain types of debt.

 

[Doggo]

Apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but since when did Chris have a passport? They’ve never been more than a few hours from home, right? How did Chris get to the other side of the world?

 

[AnOminous]

Being dual citizen and if Chris moves here (Please no) he can't claim state specific US welfare on TOP of Finnish tugboat for the unemployed and disabled, basic tugboat from gubmint, disability tugboat. This means however in first time of his life Chris has to fill and pay Finnish taxes if the nightmare scenario happened

You can continue to collect Social Security abroad, of the SSDI type that Chris has, or normal Social Security (not many people who can afford to live in Finland would qualify for welfare which is SSI). It would be highly weird if Finland would let him collect too. I don't know for certain about that, but my guess would be absolutely not.

SSDI is not welfare. It is paid-for insurance, and Bob managed to wangle it so Chris got grandfathered from childhood disability on his own SSDI into adulthood.

He would have to continue paying U.S. taxes, and I would assume Finland gets their cut as well.

Usually people who go expatriate on Social Security go somewhere cheaper (like Mexico or Belize) and not somewhere more expensive (like a Scandinavian country).

Anyway odds are good if he moves there that he's too dumb not to get in tax trouble of some sort and Caden is also too dumb to make sure that goes smoothly (look at how Caden handles his own legal affairs).

Apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but since when did Chris have a passport? They’ve never been more than a few hours from home, right? How did Chris get to the other side of the world?

Unless he somehow got in illegally, he had to have had a passport.

(Or possibly there are Schengen area countries that don't need one from the U.S. although I'm not sure about that. Conceivably he could have gone to such a country, if it exists, and traveled within the area to Finland. I'm not really going to dig into that since I assume he just got in like a normal person by flying into Helsinki and then going through customs.)

If SSDI were cut off for debtors, there would be 3 people on it. SSDI can also be garnished for repayment of certain types of debt.

The most obvious being if you were overpaid or, worse, committed SSDI fraud. In the first case, they're usually really lenient about it and aren't going to put you on the streets. If it's fraud, they will go out of their way to fuck you.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

Schengen area doesn't require a passport only in the cases where you're travelling inside of it. If you want to access it from the outside, you need a passport.
So, for example, if I wanted to go to Finland from Poland, I would only need an ID, but if I was in, let's say, UK and I wanted to go to Finland, I would need a passport.
Therefore, no, he'd need one.

 

[AnOminous]

Schengen area doesn't require a passport only in the cases where you're travelling inside of it. If you want to access it from the outside, you need a passport.
So, for example, if I wanted to go to Finland from Poland, I would only need an ID, but if I was in, let's say, UK and I wanted to go to Finland, I would need a passport.
Therefore, no, he'd need one.

That's what I thought. I didn't want to say anything conclusive on it because I didn't know.

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

That's what I thought. I didn't want to say anything conclusive on it because I didn't know.

It's a pretty neat thing, because many people in Europe regularly travel to work in another country and this means that they can just..go there, without any hassle.
Loads of Poles work summer jobs in Germany, for example.
Chris still needs a passport and can only stay for up to 90 days each time though.