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Honestly, the race realism question is pointless at this point imo. There is no way you can in good faith have a discussion on racial iq/behavior differences today. Especially since even if you get someone to concede that they might be real, what sort of actionable policy positions do you take with this information? As someone that is personally a 'race realist' (though I think culture plays more of an impact that iq), I think there is no ethical/moral policy you can make with this information, as I think segregation, deportation, etc are just immoral. I would rather try and fix the cultural issues and see where we stand there, rather than create a new modern enforced caste system based on iq.
A debate on cultural differences and the social effects it can have I think is more palatable to an audience that isn't already bought into race realism.
It is somewhat important even if you don't support deportation and all that shit. It makes things like affirmative action, reparations and the whole idea that certain races and held back by racism rather than their own ability invalid.
It also makes a good case for not letting people from certain countries into your country unless you want to be inundated with hordes of retards.
 
It is somewhat important even if you don't support deportation and all that shit. It makes things like affirmative action, reparations and the whole idea that certain races and held back by racism rather than their own ability invalid.
It also makes a good case for not letting people from certain countries into your country unless you want to be inundated with hordes of retards.
I don't think it's that big of a deal, the US has enough jobs that require a wide enough variety of ability to support almost everyone (we can take care of the actual legal retards with disability and such). Let everyone go through school, if you drop out or are just a real idiot, work at McDonalds or as a janitor. If you're a little smarter than that, work a skilled trade. So on and so forth. The only governmental policies that should be enacted is to make sure as many people get a fair shot at education as possible.

As far as immigration, since citizens are having so few babies, we're going to need immigrants. We should just make sure the visas are available to fill the jobs that need filled. Like right now we may need a lot of people in hospitality, but there isn't a visa that includes that so we're kind of fucked for that sector.
 
I don't think it's that big of a deal
It is important. Discrepancies in outcomes are being attributed to malice (this is the White Question for lefties), resources are being misallocated, and systems are being constructed inefficiently. "Environmental" factors are also overstated since someone's environment is partly an expression of their genetics.
Let everyone go through school, if you drop out or are just a real idiot, work at McDonalds or as a janitor.
This is good, but our systems are currently being arranged to lower educational standards/barriers in order to funnel people into college. China's system is better; high schools that actually prep you for university have a near 50% acceptance rate. This means less wasted youth in pointless education
 
Honestly, the race realism question is pointless at this point imo. There is no way you can in good faith have a discussion on racial iq/behavior differences today. Especially since even if you get someone to concede that they might be real, what sort of actionable policy positions do you take with this information? As someone that is personally a 'race realist' (though I think culture plays more of an impact that iq), I think there is no ethical/moral policy you can make with this information, as I think segregation, deportation, etc are just immoral. I would rather try and fix the cultural issues and see where we stand there, rather than create a new modern enforced caste system based on iq.
A debate on cultural differences and the social effects it can have I think is more palatable to an audience that isn't already bought into race realism.
One of the biggest talked about society ailments is the outcome gaps between blacks and whites (even though most aren’t even that big, with some exceptions, most inequality of outcome is within the races and not between them). The issue is that systemic racism as it’s currently taught basically makes people blame white people. Now the idealized highly academic version of systemic racism *technically* “blames” everyone who participates and benefits from the system but essentially has the majority of the responsibility fall on the largest actors (rich, influential people, and politicians). Destiny had said that you could make everyone in the system a perfect anti racist and SR could still exist, for example. But in practice this is never how it’s interpreted. It’s always “white people did bad things in the past and now there are these gaps. White people today still benefit. Therefore white people are at fault”. This is always how it’s interpreted and utilized in public policy. People like Destiny and Stardust can try to correct the record all they want, and I appreciate that, but it’s not going to do much good when so much of the left really just hates white people. All of those white lefties on Twitter apologizing for their race aren’t faking it, I think. They genuinely internalize this version of SR.

Even if there’s no actionable policy (although I think there could be) deconstruction of an idea as harmful as this is really important. People accept biological differences in desirable traits all the time (strength between men and women, and even some athletic differences between races, etc). We as a society are clearly capable of doing it in a healthy way. However I’ve NEVER seen a society healthily scapegoat one racial group for a wildly maligned issue and see it turn out well for people.

The biggest issue is that it takes a lot of research to come to any big conclusions on this. There is lots of research, and it’s probably the most highly politicized topics out there so you have to be careful and really analyze when people are attacking an argument vs when they’re just trying to attack someone’s credibility.
 
I don't think it's that big of a deal, the US has enough jobs that require a wide enough variety of ability to support almost everyone (we can take care of the actual legal retards with disability and such). Let everyone go through school, if you drop out or are just a real idiot, work at McDonalds or as a janitor. If you're a little smarter than that, work a skilled trade. So on and so forth. The only governmental policies that should be enacted is to make sure as many people get a fair shot at education as possible.

As far as immigration, since citizens are having so few babies, we're going to need immigrants. We should just make sure the visas are available to fill the jobs that need filled. Like right now we may need a lot of people in hospitality, but there isn't a visa that includes that so we're kind of fucked for that sector.
Personally I don't think filling in the population growth with immigration is a good idea. This whole obsession with keeping population growth up is just going to lead to more problems later down the line, half of the reason why people aren't having children is they can't afford them as all the housing and price of living continues to rise, which is likely being caused by immigration. It'd be better to let the population fluctuate naturally that keep it up artificially (and certainly not with Muslims), particularly with the social security time bomb its creating. Once the price of living comes down people will likely start having kids again.
 
I'm quite surprised Destiny can still make money. After his shift towards the "right" (i.e. talking with Nicole and Lauren), I watched some of his stuff and subbed to the channel on YT. To my surprise (never watched him before outside a few bits here and there), his content is basically 50% stealing what others post, and 50% milquetoast commentary, while playing some idiotic game in the background. His debates lean very hard on the expectation that most rightoids he deals with are low IQ and always reciting the same stats and euphemisms, always trying to weasel in and out of what is socially acceptable, so he can usually force them into either unacceptable positions or into agreeing on some liberal milquetoast nonsolutions based on "hey let's just accept this and STFU".
There are some exceptions, Jim/MM managed to deal with Destiny quite well, but that's ancient history by now.
My main preoccupation is how the hell are people giving him money? He's such an obvious lazy grifter by now, I don't use the word easily, but basically even Destiny acknowledges how he's a "streamer" of boring non-sense.
 
I have literally never looked at the bread-tube community and understand nothing about it but here is my 2 cents
Wow very cool. Thank you pinktard.
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One of the biggest talked about society ailments is the outcome gaps between blacks and whites (even though most aren’t even that big, with some exceptions, most inequality of outcome is within the races and not between them). The issue is that systemic racism as it’s currently taught basically makes people blame white people. Now the idealized highly academic version of systemic racism *technically* “blames” everyone who participates and benefits from the system but essentially has the majority of the responsibility fall on the largest actors (rich, influential people, and politicians). Destiny had said that you could make everyone in the system a perfect anti racist and SR could still exist, for example. But in practice this is never how it’s interpreted. It’s always “white people did bad things in the past and now there are these gaps. White people today still benefit. Therefore white people are at fault”. This is always how it’s interpreted and utilized in public policy. People like Destiny and Stardust can try to correct the record all they want, and I appreciate that, but it’s not going to do much good when so much of the left really just hates white people. All of those white lefties on Twitter apologizing for their race aren’t faking it, I think. They genuinely internalize this version of SR.

Even if there’s no actionable policy (although I think there could be) deconstruction of an idea as harmful as this is really important. People accept biological differences in desirable traits all the time (strength between men and women, and even some athletic differences between races, etc). We as a society are clearly capable of doing it in a healthy way. However I’ve NEVER seen a society healthily scapegoat one racial group for a wildly maligned issue and see it turn out well for people.

The biggest issue is that it takes a lot of research to come to any big conclusions on this. There is lots of research, and it’s probably the most highly politicized topics out there so you have to be careful and really analyze when people are attacking an argument vs when they’re just trying to attack someone’s credibility.
Sure, if you could get people to buy into race realism then the entire idea of systemic racism (as it exists today) collapses. But I don't think you can convince enough people that it is true. Part of this is the fact that people place so much importance on IQ as a judge of a person worth in society, that trying to claim there are differences in IQ BECAUSE of race is a problem. Yes, there is ready acknowledgement that race (or at least genetics) plays a part in many demonstrable and observable traits, such as height, eye color, muscle density/distribution, etc. But most people would not say that if you are too short, or too tall, you aren't valuable in society. If someone isn't smart however, then instantly everyone jumps to the idea that they have less value in society. Funnily enough, this is exactly what Douglass Murray talked about his whole career, including in his (in)famous book 'The Bell Curve'. Racial IQ differences was like 2 pages out of that book of hundreds of pages, yet everyone jumped all over it that he was racist. The entire book was trying to say that modern society has shifted the traits that were viewed as valuable in the past. Historically, it was more family connections, tribal, and even different traits within groups, ie militarized countries valued physical genetic traits more than other non-militarized states. Now, society has shifted around the historical caste structure, to place IQ at the pinnacle of valued genetic traits, primarily because the highest paying and most valuable jobs are directly tied to intellectual ability. Anyway, Murray's point was, we need to be very careful about basically discounting any people without higher IQ, as you create a new class system, except without the power to move between the classes.
I'm rambling, but Murray's point is/was that whether or not racial IQ differences exist or not isn't really the issue, the issue primarily is, how can we create a just society that values people equally regardless of genetic IQ differences, and ensures that people that might be 'IQ disadvantaged' still have a valuable function in society without being discriminated against.
 
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I don't think it's that big of a deal, the US has enough jobs that require a wide enough variety of ability to support almost everyone (we can take care of the actual legal retards with disability and such). Let everyone go through school, if you drop out or are just a real idiot, work at McDonalds or as a janitor. If you're a little smarter than that, work a skilled trade. So on and so forth. The only governmental policies that should be enacted is to make sure as many people get a fair shot at education as possible.

As far as immigration, since citizens are having so few babies, we're going to need immigrants. We should just make sure the visas are available to fill the jobs that need filled. Like right now we may need a lot of people in hospitality, but there isn't a visa that includes that so we're kind of fucked for that sector.
Schooling does not produce the outcomes you think it does, at least the way it’s currently structured. Doubly so for college, imo. I think there needs to be an overhaul to the system entirely but that’s unrealistic atm.
 
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Schooling does not produce the outcomes you think it does, at least the way it’s currently structured. Doubly so for college, imo. I think there needs to be an overhaul to the system entirely but that’s unrealistic atm.
My perspective is that schooling provides opportunities, whether that be because you learn something valuable or because the job you want just requires that special piece of paper, doesn't matter in current society, you want to become an engineer, your best bet is to get a degree. I agree that schooling needs to be restructured, we need to focus more on critical thinking and intelligent engagement with the sources of information available to us and maybe a little less on memorization or outdated curriculum, but at the end of the day we do what we have to live in the world we have, so you want to make decent money, go to college.
 
Do we know if any use of MDMA is against their "rules"? iirc the problem when he done MDMA with Eris was it was Destiny's first time doing it, and Melina wanted to be there for that experience.

It's also possible the drama doesn't involve anyone else. Melina always talks about wanting to have children with Destiny, who has said he doesn't want any more (makes sense considering he can't even be bothered to parent the child he already has). He's mentioned women not knowing what they actually want a few times recently, so it could be something Melina deluded herself into believing and Destiny finally being up front about. Either way, the glorified prostitute doesn't have her green card yet so hopefully she gets deported. She also doesn't even have a US bank account and uses paypal for everything, which is definitely breaking tax laws.
 
Do we know if any use of MDMA is against their "rules"? iirc the problem when he done MDMA with Eris was it was Destiny's first time doing it, and Melina wanted to be there for that experience.

It's also possible the drama doesn't involve anyone else. Melina always talks about wanting to have children with Destiny, who has said he doesn't want any more (makes sense considering he can't even be bothered to parent the child he already has). He's mentioned women not knowing what they actually want a few times recently, so it could be something Melina deluded herself into believing and Destiny finally being up front about. Either way, the glorified prostitute doesn't have her green card yet so hopefully she gets deported. She also doesn't even have a US bank account and uses paypal for everything, which is definitely breaking tax laws.
I'm 99% sure it has to do with another woman, but she 100% has a residency and it most certainly is not breaking any tax law to use paypal. Why are you talking so confidently about things you don't know?
 
[2022-07-21 15:30:24.307 UTC] melina: I work through Sweden
[2022-07-21 15:30:35.210 UTC] melina: I pay taxes in Sweden
Admittedly, I'm not from the US but is it really possible for someone to live and work in the US and pay absolutely 0 taxes there?

I am pretty convinced by the Lauren theories too but we will just have to wait and see I guess.
 
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Do we know if any use of MDMA is against their "rules"? iirc the problem when he done MDMA with Eris was it was Destiny's first time doing it, and Melina wanted to be there for that experience.

It's also possible the drama doesn't involve anyone else. Melina always talks about wanting to have children with Destiny, who has said he doesn't want any more (makes sense considering he can't even be bothered to parent the child he already has). He's mentioned women not knowing what they actually want a few times recently, so it could be something Melina deluded herself into believing and Destiny finally being up front about. Either way, the glorified prostitute doesn't have her green card yet so hopefully she gets deported. She also doesn't even have a US bank account and uses paypal for everything, which is definitely breaking tax laws.
There's a few pieces of evidence that the drama involves someone else
- Destiny was travelling or had just come back from travelling, which usually involves banging other women since he didn't work. The drama is more likely to come from this than some random pregnancy argument.
- All Destiny's previous big public fights with Melina have been over him with over women
- Melina saying it was the worst thing that ever happened to her. Remember Melina attempted suicide or something like that after Destiny did drugs with someone else.
- Melina following and unfollowing Lauren Southern multiple times, implying conflict

We don't know what the actual "fight fight" was over 100% at all but the fact he just came back from travelling indicates more to do with another women.
 
Either way, the glorified prostitute doesn't have her green card yet so hopefully she gets deported. She also doesn't even have a US bank account and uses paypal for everything, which is definitely breaking tax laws.

Using PayPal isn't breaking tax laws as long as you pay taxes. You pay it at the end of the year if it's below or certain amount and if it's above you have to pay an estimated amount throughout the year or occur additional fees at the end of the tax year.

You come off as someone who has never paid US taxes.
 
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Admittedly, I'm not from the US but is it really possible for someone to live and work in the US and pay absolutely 0 taxes there?

I am pretty convinced by the Lauren theories too but we will just have to wait and see I guess.
Sounds sketchy to me, but I don't know anything about taxes, much less how international work/taxes go, so its probably ok. No one would be stupid enough to admit to tax fraud in chat right? Besides, Twitch is the one that writes her checks from subs, I would assume they would do it correctly so as to not get in trouble with the IRS. Unless she is lying to twitch financial and they don't care. I think twitch financial cares a lot more about being right than their moderation teams.
 
Sounds sketchy to me, but I don't know anything about taxes, much less how international work/taxes go, so its probably ok. No one would be stupid enough to admit to tax fraud in chat right? Besides, Twitch is the one that writes her checks from subs, I would assume they would do it correctly so as to not get in trouble with the IRS. Unless she is lying to twitch financial and they don't care. I think twitch financial cares a lot more about being right than their moderation teams.
Okay I'm going to tell you right now that no government institution is going to give a fuck if you talk about avoiding taxes in Twitch chat. They're really not that strong and even if you semi openly evade taxes (with legal loopholes) they only go after you if you make enough for it to be even worth it to pursue you. Always remember that DSP was able to declare bankruptcy with 50k in "business expenses" aka WWE Champions. That is the level all these boomer institutions are on and Melina isn't going to full on tax evade okay, she's just a basic bitch woman. It's not her character to.

Also update on Melina, she's in Texas like her Instagram said and she's with this other random streamer.

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Okay I'm going to tell you right now that no government institution is going to give a fuck if you talk about avoiding taxes in Twitch chat. They're really not that strong and even if you semi openly evade taxes (with legal loopholes) they only go after you if you make enough for it to be even worth it to pursue you. Always remember that DSP was able to declare bankruptcy with 50k in "business expenses" aka WWE Champions.
Has DSP ever got his max star Hulkster?
 
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Admittedly, I'm not from the US but is it really possible for someone to live and work in the US and pay absolutely 0 taxes there?
The US has tax treaties with Sweden (and many other countries) to prevent double taxation. I don't know how Melina is going to go about her taxes, but she will be required to file a US tax return as a permeant resident. All of this has nothing to do with PayPal though.
 
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Melina will only change once she's 30+ and notices people aren't handing things to her for free anymore.
Okay I'm going to tell you right now that no government institution is going to give a fuck if you talk about avoiding taxes in Twitch chat. They're really not that strong and even if you semi openly evade taxes (with legal loopholes) they only go after you if you make enough for it to be even worth it to pursue you. Always remember that DSP was able to declare bankruptcy with 50k in "business expenses" aka WWE Champions. That is the level all these boomer institutions are on and Melina isn't going to full on tax evade okay, she's just a basic bitch woman. It's not her character to.

Also update on Melina, she's in Texas like her Instagram said and she's with this other random streamer.

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Just a perfect example of entitlement they feel they can go anywhere and do anything.
 
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