The Difference between users.

Originally how I found the forum was through following Chris on the Cwcki by reading "da update" section. Pretty much I would visit that page every day for new Chris news, but for some reason it stopped getting updated and just said to come to some site called "kiwifarms" for new Chris news.

At first I was reluctant to do this because I would have to read through an entire thread in order to get to the news which took a lot longer than just reading one bullet point. However over time I grew to enjoy the insight people would add to a thread with their knowledge relating to specific topics in their respective field or little points that I hadn't considered before.

The fact that I happened to join right before the mother fucking was just serendipity
 
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It is ironic to me the reaction whenever a new set of retards joins from the old guard. I've had someone tell me this place wasn't reddit unironically and try to essentially say it wasn't for me while referring to their "fellow kiwis" funnily enough when I wasn't agreeing with some feminist talking points.

Now I find myself cringing and wanting to tell some new people who joined last month to fuck off when I find them stinking up threads with their gay ass opinions or trying to shit on the community as a whole.
Me: Man, these April 2023 Kiwis sure are gay. Not nearly as based and chudpilled as those of us who joined in November.

So in short, everyone here is a faggot who wants things to "go back to the good old days". It's annoying but I get why we do it. Every forum SHOULD gatekeep more, and not want the general atmosphere to go away for normies who want to fuck shit up. I respect that about here, even if it's autistic and gay.

I'll tell you why I joined: I lurked for like a year and liked the conversations going on. I wanted to join but was scared I'd become a cow, or power-level too much. I've never been completely rightwing but joining here has been one of the more fruitful things I've done for myself. Yeah you might have someone call you a faggot every now and as long as you try to keep a levelhead and don't sperg all the time, people will be chill with you and even rescind their arguments against you. I just like that this is a place where even if you piss someone off, they're not going to silence you. You might have people hate you for a second but next day you'll be able to have a normal conversation on a different thread like a grown adult. Underneath all the vitriol and hatred of troons and shit, people will have honest talks with you and give you decent, grounded advice if you ask nicely. And despite all the cynicism, I can tell the best members here have been through similar shit and can empathize with each other. We're all big fat faggots who can talk about similar shit, say bad words, angrily vent about the world and laugh at retards. And I plan to enjoy that kind of environment while I can.
 
calls by the old gaurd to remove articles and Happenings
Libtards are really a scourge no matter where they are. They never change, always trying to shut things down and shut people up. They can just not go into A&N but no, they need another safespace from wrongthink.
 
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I have been lurking on Kiwifarms since mid-2010s, but I rarely used the website until the scamdemic happened and plenty of topics are suppressed elsewhere. I only created a account last year because almost all the other websites became Wechat/Weibo-Tier censored.
Literally, no other place even “alt-tech” sites like Minds or Gab have the amount of free speech that the Farms have.
 
I don't remember how I even got here. I think metokur mentioned it once but I'm not sure. I just jumped at the place and decided to do some minor trolling here and there.
 
I'm a simple 4chan refugee. I had been aware of the Farms for a long time, as I'd been following Chris Chan since I was a teenager, but the place always seemed too scary and hardcore for a shitposter like me that just wants to sneed. When the Great Motherfucking happened, I saw how the 4chan moderators worked together to ban any kind of discussion it across the entire site, and that was the last straw.

I had been disillusioned with 4chan years, but I felt I had nowhere else I could go. The jannies sucked, the new users sucked, and the bots and shills were out of control. So, I decided to give this place a chance. I wanted to get my Chris Chan fix, after all. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad?

And it isn't. This place isn't the evil murderous website that people would have you think it is. It really upsets me the way this site is mischaracterized by even other alt-tech websites that should be on our side. I remember going back to 4chan when the Farms was down and being astonished by the way the users there would just blatantly lie about it.

Oh well... Maybe that's on me for giving a shit about anything somebody on 4chan has to say. I've found a new place to sneed.
 
Yeah, that's the other difference, like @Saint Agustin said:
Many of the new accounts are lurkers from years.
So, they're probably more oldfags than the oldfags without a official date.
Yup, I’ve been lurking for years to stay up to date on Chris, didn’t join because I didn’t have unique insight to contribute on him.

Actually, this whole thing OP is talking about happened to my old haunt, r/CringeAnarchy. It was doomed from the beginning, though, because not only was it on Reddit (so no place to safely sequester politisperging), but apparently a couple of the top mods were unironic neo-nazis and as such encouraged said sperging, though what ultimately got it killed was refugees from even edgier subs that got banned before it finally did.

I think Null’s in a much better position than they were, and he definitely has A&N on a tight leash, for good reason IMO.
 
I'm a simple 4chan refugee. I had been aware of the Farms for a long time, as I'd been following Chris Chan since I was a teenager, but the place always seemed too scary and hardcore for a shitposter like me that just wants to sneed. When the Great Motherfucking happened, I saw how the 4chan moderators worked together to ban any kind of discussion it across the entire site, and that was the last straw.

I had been disillusioned with 4chan years, but I felt I had nowhere else I could go. The jannies sucked, the new users sucked, and the bots and shills were out of control. So, I decided to give this place a chance. I wanted to get my Chris Chan fix, after all. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad?

And it isn't. This place isn't the evil murderous website that people would have you think it is. It really upsets me the way this site is mischaracterized by even other alt-tech websites that should be on our side. I remember going back to 4chan when the Farms was down and being astonished by the way the users there would just blatantly lie about it.

Oh well... Maybe that's on me for giving a shit about anything somebody on 4chan has to say. I've found a new place to sneed.
Where were you during the migration to 8chan?
 
Yes, the new users are ruining the pure sanctity of kiwifarms internet pop culture gossip by bringing in politics and making fun of sexually deviant crossdressers. Please continue explaining to me the serious and intellectual discussion of making fun of fat manchildren of pre 2020 kiwifarms.
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I'm part of the SomethingAwful rapefugee contingent. Most of the people with late 2016/early 2017 regdates are. SA had been fairly openly hostile to non-leftist speech for a while, but it hadn't infected the obscure subforums where I spent most of my time until Trump got elected at which point the purges started in earnest and nowhere was safe from TDS. Plus that was the height of the Shmorky drama and Lowtax registered here because he couldn't bitch about Shmorky on his own site due to his "gender identity".

I didn't really want to talk about politics much when I arrived. But everywhere else started to clamp down on unapproved opinions (I'm not even particularly radical, I'm a softcore libertarian/classical liberal, but even that became haram) and a small forum where I used to chat about politics imploded due to unrelated drama, so here I am. I don't post much in the AT, but I do like reading other people's opinions and viewpoints. The Russia/Ukraine threads in Happenings are incredibly informative to get a feel about what people on both sides are thinking and feeling, you don't get that from the MSM.

But I mostly registered so that I could sperg about Star Wars

I try not to be too much of a retard so I avoid politics/cultural wars/A&H stuff as much as I can

This illustrates another point about why the farms have got more political over time - the topics we cover have got more political. Pre-Disney, you could sperg about Star Wars all day long and not need to mention politics at all. But the new films and TV shows are, in themselves, political. They've gone from popcorn entertainment to shameless propaganda vehicles for their creators' viewpoints, to the extent that if you want to critique Star Wars, you have to critique those viewpoints, because they've become one and the same thing. Same with most media in the last 5 or 6 years. You can try to avoid politics, but these days the politics will just come to you.

The same goes for lolcows. Discussion about lolcows gets political because the lolcows themselves have become political. We cover crazy people, and these days people get crazy about politics. You can't discuss 2/3 of the cows here without discussing their politics because it's all they talk about. You can't even discuss CWC apolitically, because even what pronouns you use to refer to him become signifiers of your political viewpoints, there's no fucking avoiding it and I hate it so very much.

Null never wanted to make a political site, but the politics came to him instead, and he's been forced into the trenches like the rest of us. I hate that you can't talk about anything online without it, but it's not really the fault of KF or its users, it's the fault of the fact the Western world is starting to fracture along political lines for a whole host of reasons.
 
Listen, @Spunt, I wish this was still 2007 and I could reduce my slapfights on the Internet to really autistic, nerdy shit, but unfortunately this is not possible.

I recently have been arguing with certain, rather disingenuous dare I say, users that are extremely opposed to anyone discussing politics in the Farms. I don't uniquely come here to politisperg but AT is probably the subforum where it's easier finding me since otherwise the threads I'm active in are rather niche.

To be quite honest, a lot of the time I don't bother posting. Whenever there is a CWC happening, or a Tomlinson happening, or a Keffals or LFJ happening, by the time I notice it anything that can be said it's been said countless times.

Threads typically become very repetitive. The LFJ thread, for instance, is a huge thread where there is little else to say apart from A-logging the little cunt. He's not given us anymore crazy and we don't have much news about his tranny mafia antics to destroy us.

The only real gift that kept on giving was the Tranch thread, which had both a constant flow of crazy, a disturbingly fascinating lore and rather witty participants. The Kevin Gibes thread is also quite fresh and ripe but I won't dare getting there because he's just too revolting and the Patrick Tomlinson thread is iconic but has ups and downs.

I rarely venture into new threads because it's like trying to get into the fucking EastEnders, or Coronation Street, or Dr Who or some other BBC crap show that's been going for ages. I read about of Rekieta's thread and I found it boring. I imagine it is interesting for the people who's been following his meltdown in real time but for a newbie this is just some sad alcoholic sex addict with issues.

Threads like the Star Wars griefing thread, or The Simpsons griefing thread, or the South Park griefing thread or most other griefing threads are in the Twilight Zone where it's not entirely politisperging, but politisperging is ingrained in the discussion since, as you mentioned, all what these properties are now is deranged left-wing politics.

However, these threads are not interesting because of endless discussions about how the IP has been hollowed out to be a carrier for the woke virus but because they're populated by mostly true former fans that have great insight into these franchises.

Now, the AT, I don't like A&N. I sometimes post there if I feel I have something to say but I don't think the outrage machine that A&N is is a healthy thing. I don't think it's different from lefties on Twitter screeching about everything and anything.

Deep Thoughts is a subforum where some people actually have interesting things to say. I am a crank and I enjoy reading crazy stuff like conspiracy theories and shit, but DT is a place where some people actually know stuff and I find most of the stuff there a worthy reading.

It is possible that in the end DT is always either @Save the Loli, @ToroidalBoat, @wtfNeedSignUp, @Dom Cruise or myself repeating the same stuff and talking points over and over and over, but this is too understandable because, at least in what regards to me, I watch every day the society and culture I was born in disintegrating as we are being replaced, demonized and made unable to defend ourselves as a combo of satanic characteristics (white, male, christian, etc...) and everybody knows but everybody is pretending they don't know and if you ever made even the slightest sign that you're acknowledging this to be happening your life will be destroyed.

It's not that much a need of preaching to the choir or having an echo chamber or an online circlejerk but I enjoy reading the aforementioned users because they put into words things that I have concluded myself, or things that I had felt but I hadn't been able to put into words, and that's nice. It's good for sanity, I guess.

In any case, I don't think it should be the primary focus of the Kiwi Farms experience to doompost about the incoming demise of Western Civilisation / the White race / America / Europe / The UK or whatever. It's nice that we're able to do it and share our thoughts with people who feel the same but it's not very healthy to indulge into it too often.

I guess my ideal Kiwi Farms experience would be closer to proper gossip. I am even tired about talking about how degenerate sexual degenerates are. I wish more threads were about bizarre classic Chris-esque antics by out and about cows down to inflict crazy stuff on the general population, but we have the Kiwi Farms the world allow us to have, and that's, unfortunately, a world of one-note, two-dimensional idiots that are all about their fetish, or their politics, or their one obsession, 24 hours, seven days a week.
 
I watch every day the society and culture I was born in disintegrating
Like I mentioned before, I heard that goal is to break down the old world, and rebuild it as a cybernetic prison world.

One with pod-dwelling "little people" in concentration camps "15-minute cities", eating bugs, and the rest of the meme.
 
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I wish more threads were about bizarre classic Chris-esque antics by out and about cows down to inflict crazy stuff on the general population, but we have the Kiwi Farms the world allow us to have, and that's, unfortunately, a world of one-note, two-dimensional idiots that are all about their fetish, or their politics, or their one obsession, 24 hours, seven days a week.
I think CWC set an absurdly high standard for cows that nobody has come close to matching. Chris' story is notable for its incredible twists and turns, from the funny, to the infuriating, to the hilarious, to the touching, to the utterly horrifying. What other cow can provide all that? Chris is unique not only in the quantity of content he produces, but also the sheer variety of different kinds of crazy he is capable of. I can't think of any single cow that comes close.

You mentioned the Tranch thread, and I think that comes close to CWC in terms of quantity, quality and variety, and that took a whole tribe of crazy troons making a real-life reality show to match one guy's output. I mean, there's no trash TV channel that could come up with a better concept for a tragicomic soap opera than putting a gaggle of deranged eunuchs, each with their own unique and incompatible brain errors, putting them in the middle of nowhere and asking them to take up Alpaca ranching with no knowledge, skills or experience. Damn straight that's going to be unmissable.

But any other single cow seems one-note in comparison to Chris, not because they're uninteresting, but because Chris is on another level.
Deep Thoughts is a subforum where some people actually have interesting things to say. I am a crank and I enjoy reading crazy stuff like conspiracy theories and shit, but DT is a place where some people actually know stuff and I find most of the stuff there a worthy reading.
DT is fun, if very hit-and-miss from thread to thread. There's people here with education and experience in the relevant subject areas and it's great to talk with them about Serious Concepts, but there's a lot of one-note "the Jews did it" retards who routinely make threads there unreadable.
I rarely venture into new threads because it's like trying to get into the fucking EastEnders, or Coronation Street, or Dr Who or some other BBC crap show that's been going for ages. I read about of Rekieta's thread and I found it boring. I imagine it is interesting for the people who's been following his meltdown in real time but for a newbie this is just some sad alcoholic sex addict with issues.
I think Rekieta's thread only makes sense in context, specifically the context of how highly regarded he once was by the people who are now tearing him apart. You need to zoom out from a thread like that and grasp the sheer hypocrisy of presenting yourself as the new voice of based and tradpilled conservatism, with a catchphrase of "How embarrassing!" no less, whilst simultaneously secretly being a total degenerate sex weirdo, of lecturing other lawyers on how to law properly before drunkenly calling a known serial litigant a paedophile, getting sued by them and making a complete mess of your own defence, of being a mean ol' internet shock jock attack dog who expects his victims to take their licks, whilst childishly whining and flailing whenever he is the one under scrutiny. Day-to-day, though, the thread is quite tedious.

Apparently DSP is like that, but even I can't be bothered to get into him.

There's some good shorter threads that don't require so much reading but still have plenty of twists and turns:

-Terry Rose Christo - the greatest thread in the history of the Farms and it's only 21 pages.
-David/Olivia Hill
-Shane Nokes (Catch up on the story so far while you can, season 2 has just started)
-Alan Michael White/Orsonzedd
-Dave/Danielle Muscato
-Roy Philipose

All good posts/entertainment ratio.

Also, even though it's a lot of posts, Pat Tomlinson's thread is 100% worth the effort. Lots of people have been called the new CWC, but Pat, despite not resembling Chris as a person, is just as entertaining and prolific as a cow, except that you occasionally feel sorry for Chris but Pat is such an awful and detestable human being in literally every way that you can cheer every time he steps on a rake and owns himself (this happens literally every few pages, usually in a new and hilarious way) without feeling any guilt. He genuinely seems to have some kind of OCD-level compulsion to produce thread content, the ride never lets up for a single second. There's some great posters in the thread, and there's a second (OnA) forum involved as well, and between the two communities the amount of superb OC, insightful analysis and amazing jokes is unmatched anywhere. Absolute superstar thread imo.

If you enjoy schadenfreude, and enjoy one man's belligerent, ignorant, arrogant stupidity blow up in his face over and over and over and over it's not to be missed.
 
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I think CWC set an absurdly high standard for cows that nobody has come close to matching. Chris' story is notable for its incredible twists and turns, from the funny, to the infuriating, to the hilarious, to the touching, to the utterly horrifying. What other cow can provide all that? Chris is unique not only in the quantity of content he produces, but also the sheer variety of different kinds of crazy he is capable of. I can't think of any single cow that comes close.

I tend to agree, however it needs to be remembered that Classic Chris was not a constant flow of stuff coming in, Kiwi Farms really did not exist at the time and Chris content was only available for those "In the know", otherwise people would just be exposed to Youtube videos popping out. Youtube Videos, especially during the Liquid Chris saga, was the main means of following Chris and they were provided by Chris himself. The whole amount of stuff going on that we can access now through the CWCki is a compilation over time of stuff that went on private chats, mails, calls, conversations and stuff most of which was not available, or at least easily available, at the time it was happening. The Miscreants, the PVCC and other organized groups of trolls were relatively tiny and they gatekept hard, because back in the day there were a lot of Internet Communities and most of them did gatekeeping. Giving shit to newbies was standard procedure, even more so in troll focused internet communities.

Chris was always at his best when interacting with the world outside 14 Branchland Court, and the Pre-ED Christory will always be my favourite because of how perfectly, in a rather bizarre way, encapsulates that era. The Bush years reflect on Chris in a magical way, and Chris wanders around in that world being a misfit yet an unquestionable part of it. The world that involves spending an afternoon in a mall where pretty girls trolled around for shitty, slutty clothes and nerds wandered around the shelves of comic book stores discussing autistic stuff. The world where there were places where children played Pokemon and not-so-children played D&D and it was actually fun and even Chris-chan himself would have been considered mostly harmless as opposed to the current fetish-rotten, horrid troons that have infested such spaces. The world that was populated by characters like the odd yet lovable Megan Schroeder and her shitty family, the goofy Lucas White and Daniel Mimms, the greedy jew Michael Snyder, the plain, salt-of-the-earth girl next door Sarah Hammer and her failed stage magician boyfriend Wes Iseli, redneck hispanic Josh Martinez and nerd-jock Adam Stackhouse, the not-so-top-of-te-totem-pole-but-neither-too-nerdy gal-pals, especially Tiffany Gowen whose persona Chris misconstructed as a fellow misfit. The world in which conservatives like Bob Chandler and the Schroeders coexisted with rabid, deranged liberals like Cole Smithey and more garden-variety liberals (lolbertarians of the Trey Parker and Matt Stone variety as it was the predominant ideology of nerds at the time) like Lucas and Mimms. The world in which fucking Mary Lee Walsh (PBUH) existed.

This is a world that existed and I have experienced, and, alas, it doesn't exist anymore. I like this part of Christory for the same reason I like the early seasons of South Park, because it captures the essence of the 00s in a way that makes me feel at home.

And, when filtered by Chris warped perception, you get something like it's out of a movie Kevin Smith did while on crack. You get frankly amazing characters like MLW the witch, who might or might not be actually a deranged impersonator known as Slaweel Ryam, Allison Amber (?), Merried Seinor Comic (Kirby), ScotPalazzo, the B-Manajerk, the Turdi-Jerk, Count Graduon and the army of Jerkops.

Once trolls got involved, Chris divorced from reality and while his comics remained interesting as he offered his own interpretation of the events with gems such as the 4Cent garbage, the trial and death of the Asperpedia 4 and some other highlights, the trolling he was subjected to ended up being repetitive and boring.

Troon CWC is utterly boring:

a) While he resumed his outdoors activities, by 2015 the world had changed too much. He did fit in the 90's and 00's in a way he did not fit from the 00's onwards. Him becoming LGBT and hanging around LGBT spaces didn't have the same effect as him hanging around nerd hotspots of the 00s. He's fairly unremarkable for the LGBT world and his antics are not of interest to LGBT gossipers. Also, he did understand nerd etiquette much better than he does understand LGBT etiquette. He doesn't raise eyebrows in a pride parade, therefore he's not interesting to us.

b) Woke takeover of the Internet has smoothed the edge of talking about Chris. From the moment you need to respect his pronouns or you're a nazi, any joy Chris story might have is instantly killed without even considering the culture wars themselves.

c) Chris story got towards a darker path by both internal and external forces. He's totally abandoned reality which made his content utterly boring and esoteric. His jail letters are pointless to read, He attracts either other unfunny schizos like Sockness or dumb zoomers trying too hard to be Millenials long ago bygone the zeitgeist they so desperately want to be part of (While still enforcing a worldview that is antithetical to it). The only remarkable troll has been ILJ and that's more because how much of a lolcow she was and much less because of her trolling schemes.

4) Chris is probably going to keep to himself for the rest of his life. There is no milk from this cow anymore. Whether if this is something of his own volition or he is actively being kept away from internet exposure is arguable. I personally think it's the first one. The Watchmen/Anaxis/Lainchu/Orbiters spin-off is gay as fuck.

Alec Benson Leary was both the best and worst of the trolls. He was the best because he was a humorous and witty individual who closed the Classic Chris period on a high note by being relatively light-hearted and trying to use trolling as a way to help Chris to some degree after that era had taken a turn for the dark after the Bluespike incident (the first of several descents into darkness) and the boring by the successive, less and less creative, string of catfishes.

I don't know if he would have continued trolling Chris had Bob not passed away but by 2011 there was hardly anything new or interesting about Chris-Chan and arguably he never recovered, his later sagas being vastly different.

He was the worst of the trolls because he codified Chris range of action to the internet, swallowed him up in a drama so intrincate and online-based that he effectively became terminally online and his tactics would set ground for the Idea Guys saga. It was Alec Benson Leary the troll who refined the idea of getting stuff from Chris through roleplaying.
 
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I'm just glad all my posts from the cwcki forums talking about Chris's DIRTY, CRAPPED, BREIFS. and other spergy discussions mysteriously disappeared once null took over.
At this point all the cows I followed are dead or gone. The new ones? I have nothing to add to the discussion because I'm not following any of them outside of the thread. So most of my posts are in the A&N board out of boredom during working hours. Or more recently posting weirdos I find on youtube.
Site culture has become more compartmentalized over time. Due to multiple communities migrating over here. Thankfully the culture is strong enough that most people either leave, or adapt.

This is a world that existed and I have experienced, and, alas, it doesn't exist anymore. I like this part of Christory for the same reason I like the early seasons of South Park, because it captures the essence of the 00s in a way that makes me feel at home.
I agree on this whole heartedly, along with the rest of your post Chris mostly disappeared from my eyes after the first dark age shortly around the time Jackie was one of his heartsweets.
 
I only joined because this is the only place left on the internet where I can call people retarded niggers for cause and not get bant.

It's pretty much the last vestige of the "old internet" left, in spirit.
 
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