The Endless Drum Beating

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Anyone on the Left is spewing such over the top lies ("Kiwi Farms is the forum where the 2019 Christchurch mosque gunman revealed his intentions hours before carrying out the attack", this quote is STILL up btw) that they are so far gone from reality that there is no hope of them ever coming back.

Looks like CBC eventually redacted the most blatant lie. (After over a week, so most people probably won't read the correction.)

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What is the outcome this time? A lot worse.

People who hated farms didn't change their minds 5 years ago and won't now. They believe their lives or the lives of their fruity friends depends on exterminating misgendering. My plan was not to win their hearts. Boohoo they ignored you the last time and you have PTSD.

There is still the views at stake of neutral or gender critical people that can make a difference.
Imagine ever caring what faggots think.
 
We don't just tell them the Emperor has no clothes, we document every occasion he went out with his balls out, and all his other mistakes.
The Emperor is not just naked, he's fat, stupid and drunk, too, and oh fucking Jesus there he goes trying to rape a kid again.
"Forgive me father, for I have sinnned. The KiwiFarms has harassed so many peoples. It is truly a terrible, bad, no good place. But..."

It's literally everyone writing about the site somewhat honestly. They have to, at some point, go through this almost rote, pre-scripted litany of guilt.
It's honestly fucking pathetic and a joke. They can't admit they laughed.

It's like people who go on about how they used to do drugs and it was awful, just awful. No, shut the fuck up, you did drugs because it got you real fucking high and you liked it, eat shit.
 
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People are right to be pessimistic about the media as a whole, but it is wrong to resign to helplessness and hopelessness. When only a fraction of a percent of the news media are reporting Kiwifarms rebuttal points or any balance, it's pretty easy to improve the situation by ten times, and that makes a difference. The difference is that instead of being practically impossible for 3rd parties to learn both sides, the situation becomes one where if they make a reasonable effort they can find out the truth. Most people are intellectually lazy sheep, but that is never true of a 100% of humanity, which is why we have electricity, antibiotics, legal rights etc.

Concrete example:
Ethan from H3H3 had Keffals on - he is totally sympathetic to Keffals martyr grift, but for balance, he put Keffals criticism from the H3H3 subreddit to him. Keffals handled the questions very badly. While that was happening a bunch of people saw there is more to the story.


Instead of Null cursing at journalists, perhaps he should have a text document with clear factually correct points to correct specific accusations against KF.

Examples:
- Keffals persistently harasses people (reportmaxxing, DDOS etc) and called for SWATting. KF was a repository of this behaviour which Keffals wants to conceal.
- Keffals campaigned to remove Cloudflare support from KF so that cybercriminals could illegally DDOS the website.
- Persons performing swattings have not been identified, and KF forums do not organize or call for these crimes.
- BYUU is alive, similar details about the other suicides that have been falsely linked to KF.
- etc. etc. correct any other recurring smears.

It really matters how quickly you can correct misinformation - when the news cycle moves on, perception is largely fixed. If some counterarguments are presented in that window, it may prevent a onesided consensus forming. It is quicker to copy & paste the relevant points when contacted, than get sassy with the journos.

If you think this is all futile, ask yourself how did you become aware that you can't believe everything that you read, and a lot of celebrated martyrs are frauds? They can't control everything.

Whether Null uses this or not, I believe a Kiwifarms F.A.Q would be useful. Any of us can then use that in debates about this on the web.

They. won't. read. it.

Null has pretty much done everything you mentioned. Media don't care, they'll never do their own research, they'll always lie and spin their own narrative and the brainless normie cattle will always fall for it. The journalists know exactly what they're doing.

The press statements always being "the press are scum" are for good reason.
 
What is the outcome this time? A lot worse.

People who hated farms didn't change their minds 5 years ago and won't now. They believe their lives or the lives of their fruity friends depends on exterminating misgendering. My plan was not to win their hearts. Boohoo they ignored you the last time and you have PTSD.

There is still the views at stake of neutral or gender critical people that can make a difference.
If you want to make a press kit for culture warriors go right ahead but I'm still going to call you a dumb faggot for it.
 
That substack article surprised me by saying the  real reason they want places like this gone and us silenced - because we do not submit. We don't conform.
They've got so used to an Internet where only the approved message is spoken, and any wrongthink is swept and the user banned.
We don't just tell them the Emperor has no clothes, we document every occasion he went out with his balls out, and all his other mistakes.
They want an Internet where no one speaks out of line, and where people have gotten so used to wrong think being censored they start to self censor themselves, and we dont play nicely.
If someones being a faggot we tell them they're a faggot, and if someone does something fucked up we document it.

The only people who want us gone are people with something to hide, or people that cant face their delusions being called out for what they are.
We're bad people. We're not terrible people. but we're bad people and we shouldn't have to hide it.
We all have our sins, but can't be all that bad, given the kinds of people we piss off.
 
"We tried, we really did ..." Well KiwiFarms is not sending it's best people when it comes to communication:
If you want to make a press kit for culture warriors go right ahead but I'm still going to call you a dumb faggot for it.

Most of the negative responses come back to the same thing - you cannot change the minds of fanatics. It is the wrong goal and the wrong criteria for success. This is like if Richard Dawkins cried about how he met with the bishops, the imams, even the pope, but darn it, they won't even consider his arguments against the existence of god. He didn't do that, he sold his books to people who were questioning.

What is at stake is that if a practically complete consensus prevails that Kiwifarms is evil, they will find ways to turn the screws more and more and stop our saviour, Null, and kill the site. A situation where there is some questioning of the groomer narrative about this community is a vastly better scenario.

Oh and Mr. Dyn, being beaten down by eunachs to the point you give up hope of swaying normal people is ... kinda gay.
 
Oh and Mr. Dyn, being beaten down by eunachs to the point you give up hope of swaying normal people is ... kinda gay.
I have no intention of justifying my weird 'laughing at retards' hobby to normal people. Now off you go and talk to some fringe journalists to try to get us some good press, we'll be right here watching in muted contempt and disappointment.
 
I see some of you have already noticed this new kid on the block, namely this @AmericanHacker account that has been tweeting at Liz Fong-Jones:

@AmericanHacker's The Fuckery Files thread:

@AmericanHacker's main claim to fame right now is that Joshua Moon is a Chinese spy working with Chinese intel, with Liz Fong-Jones concurring:

TYVM. Admin takedown of Kiwi Farms by APNIC reclaiming their prefix is good, but SOMEBODY with more access than you or I needs to check the Chinese national who registered Flow Chemical Pty. If that's a real person ... Chinese intel?

Sounds batty, but this IS 2022 ...
https://twitter.com/AmericanHacker/status/1569214947464454144

So I had a look at mr American Hacker's account, and I'm now 99% certain that @AmericanHacker is either Neal "Internet Super-Spy!" Rauhauser himself, or someone working in concert with Neal. Here's what led me to this suspicion:

First, for those of you who don't know who Neal "Internet Super Spy!" Rauhauser aka "Occupy Rebellion" is, go here:

What service is Neal Rauhauser providing to his clients, including Brett Kimberlin’s tax-exempt 501(c) Velvet Revolution? Is Rauhauser paid to sit around all day playing with his Twitter sockpuppets, plotting revenge against Greg Howard, obsessing over Patterico and ranting about how a “Christian Infowar Militia cell” took down Anthony Weiner?

Neal Rauhauser: Internet Super-Spy!

1) The above "Internet Super Spy!" article was key in my research. In this article, The Other McCain goes into Neal Rauhauser's use of the Maltego program:

What does that mean? Sunday, I published a sample of writings by Rauhauser that he had “scrubbed” from the Web, demonstrating his obsessions with his various enemies, as well as his penchant for online secrecy and deception. But there was much more in that vast 179-page cache, including a January 2012 post entitled “Maltego, FOCA and Shodan,” referencing three computer programs Rauhauser uses.


McCain refers to something called the "Kookpocalypse" torrent, which was apparently a folder containing, amongst other things, Maltego graphs, and seems to bare a close resemblance to the dropbox folder that American Hacker has now compiled on Joshua Moon and shared on Twatter:

Not since Humbert chased his doppelgänger Quilty cross-country has anyone so persistently stalked an enemy, real or imagined. And while there is a real person behind @Zapem, the vast conspiracy in Rauhauser’s demented mind is wholly imaginary. But as he sits down with his Maltego software and maps online connections, Neal’s paranoia tells him that this data-mining holds some hidden clue to how all these evil people — from Greg Howard to HB Gary to Patrick Frey to the ghost of Andrew Breitbart — are plotting against him.

And who are we to say that they’re not, huh?

In the above "Fuckery Files" thread, @AmericanHacker makes sure to name-drop Maltego, Neal's favourite network mapping software:

The tools used on this dig were @MaltegoHQ @RiskIQ and a bit of @builtwith. Looking at the date stamps I don't recall the particulars of the timeline. I encountered a KF victim with enough juice to do what @keffals is doing, did the study, they chose to not act at that time.

Not sure I'm putting these @MaltegoHQ graphs out in public. Moon's cluster of digital cesspools are Tor only at this point, I don't want to educate him on the vulnerabilities I found.

Gonna take a bit to review them.

2) In one of his tweets, @AmericanHacker recommends the book Convergence; Illicit Networks and National Security in the Age of Globalization, claiming that KF is part of such an illicit network:


Which is... the very same same book that Neal Rauhauser was recommending on his blog back in 2013:

Part of my personal attention conservation this year has been an effort to take the time I used to spend on short, reactive social media – like Twitter – and redirect it into more weighty reading. I just finished the National Defense University’s Convergence: Illicit Networks and National Security in the Age of Globalization, and I strongly recommend this tome for anyone seeking to better understand the nature of conflict between hierarchies and networks.


So here we have someone using Maltego, Neal Rauhauser's software of choice, and recommending the same Convergence book, the same book that Neal Rauhauser had praised on his personal blog.

3) The final dead giveaway though was @AmericanHacker directly linking to Neal Rauhauser's blog. Why on earth would anyone do that if they weren't Neal himself?

You get your internet service from your ISP. Where do ISPs get their internet service? Via "defaultless routing" which is coordinated using Border Gateway Protocol.

Here, learn a little bit about the internet ...



So we have someone using the same Maltego software that Neal was using to compile the "Kookpocalypse" torrent, here being used to compile a "Fuckery Files" dropbox folder on Joshua Moon, recommending the same Convergence book that Neal was recommending on his blog back in 2013, while directly linking to Neal's blog, all the while perpetrating the same type of insane conspiracy theories (about Joshua Moon being in bed with Chinese intel) that Neal has long been into.

Now, can someone please contact Neal's old friends Patterico and The Other McCain to let them know that Neal is back in business under a new alias and under the banner of a new cause? I'm sure they'd be amused.

After Aaron Walker went to court to get a peace order based on the [“Kookpocalypse”] site, Rauhauser sent me and others an email titled “Aaron Walker murder/suicide risk” that said, among other things:

Given Walker’s state of mind I would say his wife might find him hanging in the garage tonight when she gets home from work. Another possible outcome would be a two digit body count from some mosque in Virginia after Aaron goes full tilt Jared Loughner on the congregation. Someone who knows his wife or real world associates in Virginia should take steps to get him hospitalized before something grim happens.

My emphasis. Note the reference to Aaron’s wife. Bringing spouses into the harassment is a common tactic with this crowd.

Read the whole thing at Patterico. Rauhauser (who has boasted of being armed with a Glock 9-mm pistol) was making ominous threats online, Kimberlin was pursuing a ruthlessly vindictive strategy of legal and workplace harassment against Walker, and when Walker tried to put a stop to it, Rauhauser suggested that Walker was contemplating some act of desperate violence.

Keep in mind that the “Kookpocalypse” that Rauhauser kept hyping turned out to be his release of an instant classic of paranoid literature — “Andrew Breitbart’s ISR Cell?” — as part of a 530-megabyte package of “data” that Rauhauser delivered to the FBI and New Jersey police who, if they bothered to take one look at it, could have drawn only one conclusion: Neal Rauhauser is a demented crackpot.

Inside Neal Rauhauser’s Twisted Mind

I told you guys, all these motherfuckers just want to be this asshole.
 
They. won't. read. it.

I don't think that's entirely true. At least with respect to the Keffals thread. Keffals is a prominent tranny and is always going to be beyond criticism, but I don't think he's getting the interaction from the press that he hoped for.

He isn't getting invited onto tv shows as a talking head, to give his opinions on issues relating to trannies. They're reporting on his 'victimisation' and that's it.

Someone asked John Oliver in an interview, why after Last Week Tonight did a piece on 'Joe Exotic' they didn't do more with him. He replied with words to the effect of, 'people' at the studio told him that the show should keep it's distance.

It's the same with Keffals, It doesn't even need to be the grooming or the bathtub HRT, the tranny porn alone will do it.
 
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It's the same with Keffals, all It doesn't even need to be the grooming or the bathtub HRT, the tranny porn.
If you put him on camera he'd say some pedo shit just out of his inability not to. It would involve serious tard wrangling. Best to maintain distance and moan about muh uwu poor innocent tranny victims.
 
Most of the negative responses come back to the same thing - you cannot change the minds of fanatics.
Of course not. They're extremists and that's part of the whole problem.

The issue is that most of the media pieces are written by people who have no actual knowledge of the Orchards and rely on what others have said. How many times has this forum been labelled as "neo-nazi", "alt-right" and other such charged words? These are dog whistles. They capture the imagination of people who then just go with the flow as it were and repeat them. But if they used their brains for a moment they'd see it doesn't make sense.

Why would we, a supposed tranny hating / doxxing / harassment site, then SWAT MTG for her stance on trannies? She's exactly the kind of person that the Orchards support at least as far as these journalists think. It makes no sense. And part of me is wondering if it's not Lucas or one of his cohorts that is behind it.

Think about it. Somebody says they're from the Orchards after SWATing MTG. No evidence is given other than them saying so. Same thing with the picture taken outside of where Lucas was staying so Cloudflare drops us.

This just screams "manufactured" to me.
 
All I am reading are posts saying "we" already did post a media packet, but the journalist refuse to do the research, i.e., come to Kiwi Farms (a website that was made nearly impossible to get to with thousands of posts) and look for information to ethereal questions; completely the opposite from what Keffals's publicist did.
That wasn't my point, the point was to take that front page and make a long/short form press kit refuting the things that the troons are saying and that is already made so journalist don't have to do research (look through thousands of posts) with links to the evidence. Journalist don't do research nowadays, they just get media packets and piece together a story. What's put together on the front page is already 3/4s done and just have to add the supporting crap that's been building up.
It's not even about changing people's minds, it's about having written documentation in the public sphere countering the points of view being pushed in a shareable, "authoritative" format. Other organizations won't reference a direct link to Kiwi Farms, but they will reference other article write-ups citing Kiwi Farms. But even that may be too late now because Keffals is in the process of making a video going through the front page thread posts and explaining how everything there is a lie to make him look bad.
And yeah, this place archives all the stupid and terrible shit that these people do on the internet, which is why they try to eliminate it from the internet. Lose the ability to archive what they say and do, they will have free range to do even more stupid and terrible shit.
 
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