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A LITTLE SLICE OF HELL ON EARTH
While browsing Kiwi Farms, you have undoubtedly run across Indian hate, cries of "DO NOT REDEEM", posts mocking their accents, broken English with "saar" or "do the needful," you have heard or experienced commonwealth countries like Canada or UK get overrun by cheap Indian labor imports, or perhaps you work in a technical field and have had to deal with outsourced technical support.
It wasn't always like this. Before the Internet and even during the early days of the Internet, your average person knew very little about India. Maybe they knew about Indian spirituality from the hippies, their curries, or the odd Indian doctor or gas station owner. The reputation of India was generally that it was a quirky but exotic foreign country. Their people spoke with a funny accent and were a bit weird, but harmless. What happened? How did Jeet Hate become so mainstream?
Genesis: The Problem with Apu
The most well-known Indian for many would have been Apu, a character from the Simpsons.
In the show, Apu is an Indian immigrant from West Bengal. He holds a PhD in Computer Science and is a naturalized American citizen who managed to pass his citizenship test. He is a loving husband, small business owner, and is generally considered to be an upstanding member of his community. He speaks with a quirky stereotypical Indian accent, and his foreign mannerisms are occasionally the source of jokes in the show. However, he is, by all accounts, a role model and a very positive depiction of a minority culture in a show where negative stereotypical depictions of other cultures are common. Everybody loved Apu, or at least tolerated his presence.
Enter 2017: A fat Indian "comedian" named Hari Kondabolu decides to release a documentary called The Problem with Apu. To make a very long and insufferable viewing experience short, Hari spends the entire runtime seething about how Apu is a negative cultural stereotype that encourages bullying Indian kids.
The documentary went viral upon its release and was generally controversial. Simpsons creator Matt Groening, said of the film "I think it's a time in our culture where people love to pretend they're offended". However, it embarrassed Apu's VA, Hank Azaria (a White Jewish man), into resigning. The Simpsons writers additionally bent the knee to outrage mobs in 2020 (as did many other organizations) and said that non-White characters would no longer be voiced by White people. However, Apu never returned under a new voice actor. He was unceremoniously removed from the show almost completely, being delegated to non-speaking roles in the backgrounds of a handful of episodes since 2017.
That year, a positive ambassador for Indians was removed from the collective popular consciousness, and in its place a much more negative ambassador would replace Apu: Actual Indians from India.
The Invasion
Around the world, different western countries were looking for cheap foreign labor to replace skilled natives. Managers had already successfully undercut blue collar jobs that used to be able to support families. Jobs in agriculture, construction and cleaning had been driven into the ground with the influx of illegal immigrants. If they could find skilled labor in foreign countries, they could do the same for white collar work. College graduates would not be able to leverage their degree and specialized skillset to demand better pay.Different countries would develop different skilled immigration schemes, America’s system would be known as H1B.
While the program kicked off in 1990 with the Immigration Act and allowed all kinds of immigrants, the program became dominated with Indians in the early 2000s due to a widespread Indian middle-class rush for compsci and various related degrees. The Y2K scare and the dot-com (heh) boom had U.S. companies scrambling for cheap engineers, and Indian firms like Infosys and TCS turned H1B into a free Indian machine. Indians quickly became over half of H1B visas, and in some years made up 70% of all H1B recipients.
To say that this program has been a complete disaster for American jobs is an understatement. H1B has created a "race to the bottom"--especially in tech fields--where underpaid immigrant workers are brought over to fill American jobs for far, far cheaper than normal. This has significantly damaged the job market (archive) for regular Americans and has encouraged fraud so rampant that there is now an H1B tip line (archive) on the USICS's website.
Solely blaming the Indian hate because they ruined the job market, would be an oversimplification. Even people far removed from any tech jobs facing no competition quickly radicalized as soon as they met Indians. What causes such an immediate and strong disgust response? What is going on in their home country that turns them so rotten even the biggest open borders campaigner gags in their presence? For that we need to understand Indians, their history, their home country, their culture, and the mechanisms that allowed them to flood the western world.
History
2500 years ago, Caucasians spread from the Caucasus and conquered the surrounding areas. Like many invaders would after them, they moved through the Afghan mountains into the fertile Ganges valley. As a small group of conquerors, they made sure to create a system that would put them apart from the people they ruled. They created a tiered system, with the natives at the bottom. While the Aryans would intermarry between themselves, their genes would slowly trickle down as the men kept the native women as concubines. Modern genetic research shows that the modern descendants have male genetic markers from the Aryans, and female genetic markers from the native females. In the modern caste system, the top castes have the most Aryan DNA. The oldest Hinduist documents would be created in this era as well and reinforce the caste system.Around 500 BC the Buddha walked around north India, the experience was so horrifying he founded a new religion. Around 300 BC the Maurya empire was founded, controlling most of the subcontinent. However, like many empires after it, it was a small imperial layer covering many almost-independent states. The Maurya empire tried to replace the terrible Hindu system with Buddhism.
After the empire crumbled, the regional kings reasserted themselves. The Buddhist enlightenment was pushed back by Hinduism. In the 10th century, the Muslims invaded. Like the Aryans before them, they conquered Persia and pushed through the Afghan mountains down into the northern valley. They sat as a small Muslim elite on top of the Indian subjects. They too struggled to fully integrate the natives into their administration. It became clear that the best way to rule Indians, was to just tax them and minimize contact. Through this they had gathered so much wealth, that Tamerlane didn’t need to raise tax on his subjects for years when he looted their palaces.
In the south the Hindus remained in control, and their caste system remained more rigidly enforced. In the north, low caste members and untouchables could escape their lot by converting to Islam.
The Delhi sultanate was weakened by Mongol raids and Timurlane’s subsequent attack. Later on, one of Tamerlane’s grandchildren would end up establishing the Mughal empire in India.
In the west of India the Portuguese arrived. They set up a trade post in Goa, and would trade western technology and religion in return for spices. Under the Portuguese’s guardianship, Goa would be relatively clean and prosperous compared to most of India.
And then the British arrived.
Initially India was the playground of the east India company, but as the company failed, Britain took direct control. India would turn into the export market for their industrial goods, and the opium grown in India would be traded with China to balance their trade with China. Some of the cities would modernize as they interacted with foreign traders, while inland India would still live as premodern sustenance farmers.
The Brits established schools in India to turn the brightest Indians into middle managers of their vast empire. Indians would be moved around the empire to administer the empire’s many possessions. While these elite Indians would serve as a united administration to the Brits, within India the patchwork on Indian kingdoms still existed underneath the British administration.
During decolonization, the British decided to leave the Raj mostly intact as a single state. However, they also realized that there would be nothing stopping the Muslim and Hindu people from attacking each other. To that end Bangladesh and Pakistan would be a single Muslim majority country, while the rest of India would become a Hindu majority country.
After the British left, the two countries would immediately engage in hostilities. Muslim and Hindu minorities would be forced to migrate and Bangladesh and Pakistan would split up into two separate countries.
The new rulers would also struggle to run their respective countries. They inherited a state apparatus they only were middle men in. The language they shared was the language of their ex-colonizer. The local ex-kingdoms tried to claim more control over their own province.
The resulting country is the disaster we see today. English is their lingua franca, but they lack any native speakers to teach it. The central government is in constant competition with local governments for control. Their population’s development ranges from pre-industrial dirt farmers to denizens of megacities. Hinduism could be a unifying force, but it would alienate the Sikh and Buddhist population. They say the ascension of the Indian superpower is around the corner, but the internal divisions, cultural backwardness, sickly population, dirty environment and unequal development prevents India from getting anywhere.
Indians, a physiological study
The problem of Indians goes all the way down to the genetic level. Centuries of malnutrition and inbreeding have stunted their development.Problems start at birth, as the child is born from parents from a limited gene pool. Incest is rampant, castes reinforce marrying within small gene pool. Muslim Indians marry cousins. The result is such a stark division that different castes within the same region are more genetically distinct, than Norwegians and Spaniards are. The inbreeding results in a lot of diseases and a lower IQ.
Their diet further limits their potential. Many Indians are vegans, they often do not consume enough protein. Most Indians suffer from constant diarrhea, robbing the body of any chance to absorb nutrients. This is reflected in their physique. Their potbellies form from their diet of starches and fats. Their height is similar to that of mountain-dwelling peoples, indicating a lack of sufficient nutrition. Their current diet is so poor they are actually the only human population that is shrinking. Their physical strength is so low Polish women outperform Indian men when it comes to grip strength (archive).
Their athletic performance is equally poor, winning a total of 10 gold medals in the 125 years they compete at the olympic games, [https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-836#post-22223494] despite their massive population. To put this into perspective, the state of Iowa outperforms the entirety of India.
The lack of nutrients also affects their mental development. An IQ level below 70 is considered mentally disabled. An IQ level between 71 to 84 is called “Borderline Intellectual Functioning”. India has an average score of 76.2 IQ. More than half score so poorly they would be considered mentally stunted in the West.
Their poor healthcare depresses their bodily development. They abuse the miracles of western medicine. Antibiotics are sold over the counter. Indians, with no understanding that viral infections and bacterial infections are different, abuse them to combat the common cold and other viral infections. When they use it to treat bacterial infections, they stop as soon as the symptoms disappear, rather than using it until the bacteria that is making them sick are totally dead. This gives the most resistant bacteria the chance to recover. The result is that India is home to many superbugs, and western doctors find that every Indian they have to treat requires the most powerful antibiotics to kill whatever is going on.
If over the counter drugs don’t work, they can either rely on the country’s terrible healthcare system, or their own traditional medicine. Their own traditional medicine called ayurveda. Their cures are little more than snake oil. They used cow dung to treat covid. Professional healthcare have few qualified doctors (archive). Their drugs are unsafe. (archive)
India, the Indian’s natural habitat
Their lands were once beautiful, full of life and food. However, with their massive population and utter disregard for taking care of their environment, it turned into a giant garbage pile. Most of their water is unfit to drink, leaving Indians with permanent ringworm and other parasites. Their belief that the Ganges River is clean, makes them dump everything dirty into it, turning it into a massive trash trough. Their lack of civic sense makes them care little for proper waste management.Indians not within spitting distance of a river instead just throw trash onto the ground. Modern materials like plastics take ages to decompose, causing their littering to cause long-term problems. They don’t have any dust bins, confused tourists need Indians to show them how to properly litter.(archive)
This lack of care for the environment can be linked back to their caste system. India's culture does not encourage everyday people to pick up trash. Cleaning is a job for the untouchables.The untouchables are given the karmic duty of disposing waste and enforcing cleanliness. The mentality of cleaning after oneself being "below one's dignity" is even more severe with Indian men, where wives are expected to take up all domestic duties like cleaning up and cooking.(archive) This combined with the lack of meaningful enforcement of punishment for littering, is what turned India into a giant trash heap.
Left picture: Country border, Bhutan left India right second picture: Not a mountain it's the Ghazipur Landfill
Pollution defines India's current ecological Armageddon. As recently as 2021, India has lost 90% of their four biodiversity hotspots. (archive) Trash isn't the only thing killing nature. Diclofenac, a veterinary painkiller used on livestock, had its patent expire in the 1990s, this new and cheap painkiller flooded the Indian market. The drug bioaccumulated into their healthy, thriving vulture population (30 to 50 million birds). These vultures were vital to clean up dead Indian livestock. It left them all with kidney failure and 99.5% of the vulture population (archive) disappeared, leaving a few thousands critically endangered. Though nature had provided India with a free and sustainable way of dealing with carcasses, the Indians threw it away. Diclofenac was banned in 2006, however many Indians still use it for livestock (archive) due the ease of buying it for human use. Now, rotting corpses litter throughout India in blazing, humid temperatures, some even floating down the Ganges..
The Ganges River holds extreme importance in the national identity and spirituality of India. Ganges, the Goddess that personifies the river is known for purification, forgiveness, and providing life. It provides a fifth of humanity with a source of water, a place to drink, irrigate, bathe and practice rituals. Many Hindus, believe the river is holy or sacred, others say the soul can be purified if the ashes of loved ones are spread into the river. As the Indian population grew, the Ganges was unable to process the incredible amounts of little. Especially once biodegradable storage vessels were replaced with plastic.
Left picture: Ganges River, Howrah Bridge. Right picture: mass burial site along the banks of the Ganges River
The river is abandoned, just like the wood-fired cremations release partially burned corpses as they turn into their bloated forms. Many corpses were ritually dumped during Covid, (archive) in the same river millions of Indians drink from. Plastics clog the river's arteries, where an unspeakable amount of microplastics shed from the annual 1.5 million tons of debris. (archive)
The constant pollution from the mixture of industrial/agricultural, sewage and ritual debris has killed 80% of its aquatic life since the 1950s (archive) due to oxygen depletion and habitat destruction. The bacterial levels in the Ganges river are extremely high, to the point where it has some of the highest antibiotic-resistance rates in the world (archive). 150 hard years of murky waters has forced the native and endangered Ganges River Dolphin to no longer rely on their eyes (archive), but instead with clicks: echolocation. Their eyes are now nothing but small, beady reminders of a water once clear and beautiful.
Ganges river dolphin
If this is how Indians treat their holiest of rivers, then no surprise that 70% of India's surface water is unfit for consumption (archive) and 93% of untreated Indian sewerage finds its way into drinking water. (archive)
Unfortunately, these issues are not contained to India. Their rivers dump the pollution into our shared oceans. Indians that have migrated to other countries, are littering as they did in their homeland. In Canada their clean rivers and pristine beaches are being polluted by the Indian migrants. (archive)
Ocean cleanup is an organization trying to clean up the ocean from the plastic soup. As they mapped out the problem, they realized controlling India's rivers was key to stopping a ton of plastic. (archive). But even as they catch tons of plastic before they reach the seas, Indians are happily dumping more trash into the rivers. (archive)
India even built their own mount Everest with trash. (archive)
If the littering and trash dumping isn’t bad enough, Indians also prefer to defecate out in the open. 344 million Indians (archive) still openly defecate as of 2017 according to the WHO/UNICEF Joint Monitoring Programme. Diseases like Cholera and the plague started in India. Even now, their unsanitary lifestyle breeds new diseases. The Nipah disease appeared in 2026 and is mostly spread through contact with feces. It is no wonder this quickly growing.
The best way to demonstrate just how bad pollution has become is the Pindia challenge. The challenge is simple: drop a streetview pin anywhere in India, turn the camera 360 degrees, and if you did not see any trash, you win. @Judge Holden neatly demonstrated the challenge. He even made a bingo chart with multiple kinds of pollution to give the Indians a fighting chance. In his numerous attempts he was never left without a bingo.
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-597#post-21220931
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-597#post-21221024
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From this point he starts using a bingo sheet
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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-608#post-21259917
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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-615#post-21291841
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-616#post-21295387
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-617#post-21301983
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-619#post-21314919
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-737#post-21921974
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-738#post-21922320
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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-744#post-21948767
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-744#post-21948952
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-757#post-21982897
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-762#post-21995707
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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-774#post-22029819
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-775#post-22032286
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-776#post-22037747
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-849#post-22262999
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-597#post-21221024
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-597#post-21221156
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-604#post-21242280
From this point he starts using a bingo sheet
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-607#post-21254191
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-608#post-21259917
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-609#post-21263776
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-612#post-21281231
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-615#post-21291841
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-616#post-21295387
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-617#post-21301983
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-619#post-21314919
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-737#post-21921974
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-738#post-21922320
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-740#post-21932175
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-742#post-21939777
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-742#post-21941532
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-744#post-21948767
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-744#post-21948952
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-757#post-21982897
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-762#post-21995707
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-762#post-21996297
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-774#post-22029819
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-775#post-22032286
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-776#post-22037747
https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-india-menace.174997/page-849#post-22262999
Indian society and culture
When the British added the continent to their empire, some of their scientifically minded folk tried to understand its natives. They simplified the caste system from a system that encompassed clan ties, profession types, and ethnicities into a system that roughly divided the Indians into priests, warriors, merchants and common folk. A person who does not belong to a caste fits into its own type of caste, the dalit (untouchable). This simplification however is not how Indians themselves understand the caste system. Every person knows of which sub-caste they are part of. They know where they stand in the hierarchy, they look up to higher caste Indians, and look with disgust upon the lower caste Indian. The dalit is seen as so much lesser they don’t deserve a caste, and should not even be touched to avoid dirtying oneself. These castes move with Indians even as they migrate to other countries.Indians also have a system of honor called Izzat. Derived from the Arabic honor system, izzat is key to understanding Indian behavior. Individuals have izzat, families have izzat, castes have izzat, Indians as an ethnic group have izzat, and to lose izzat is to lose honor and value. Izzat is gained when an Indian outsmarts someone, successfully tricks someone, gets away with something, gains a better position, or has people reliant on him. Izzat is lost when an Indian is caught scamming, cheating or otherwise fails. Similar to the Chinese concept of “face”, izzat is all about appearances. If an Indian fails to steal, but nobody noticed, no izzat is lost. But if an Indian is caught, and publicly shamed for trying to steal, he loses izzat.
Izzat is also a zero-sum game. Making someone lose izzat by exposing them, makes you gain izzat as people recognize you as someone clever calling out a fool. If you make a mistake, you try to cover it up, so someone can not steal your izzat by publicly humiliating you. Recovering lost izzat is important as well, leading to escalating violence as neither side wants to back down.
@GluttonousManSlob describes the system in more detail.
Izzat also informs their lack of self-preservation. If you spent any time on the internet at all, you are well-aware of Indians getting hit by trains. They conceptualize time as a circle, and in this circle nothing ever changes. Kuch nahi hota in Indian terms. To demonstrate this nihilistic disregard for reality increases your izzat. Fearlessly standing in front of a train shows nothing ever changes (Kuch nahi hota).
Related to this is Jugaad. It can be loosely translated as “jury-rigging”, but instead of being meant as a patchwork solution to a problem, it is seen as “winning”. As you can guess, this makes them quite happy to maintain temporary solutions for as long as possible, regardless of danger. Not using the services of a paid professional means you are winning izzat off of him. Relying on a bandaid fix shows how you outsmarted the rest.
This causes friction and confusion whenever they interact with people that lack understanding of izzat culture. Indians emptying out foodbanks are not people abusing the system, they’re clever and winning izzat of some fool that gives away his wealth. If they are asked if they can do something, they always say they do. Admitting they can’t would make them look incapable, and potentially offer a weak spot that others can exploit. Providing help and being kind makes an Indian think you’re below them, as only someone recognizing you as superior would clean up your mess and speak with deference.
In any managerial position their izzat culture causes problems. Higher placed Indians only hire Indians. The Indian demands receive kickbacks from the new hires, and they gain izzat as they wield power over their indebted underlings.
The British tried to ban the practice of wife burning (sati). Women are not allowed to remarry. Women are expected to toss themselves on the pyre that is consuming their husband’s corpse. Since the widow is a financial burden for the bereft, they make sure she follows through. The women who escape this fate are not much better off. They turn into living dead that are not allowed to participate in daily life ( archive).
The Indian state is a mess. With the British gone, the Indians were left with a country in name only. It was a hodgepodge of kingdoms and ethnicities that were mostly self-governing. The British imperial system was built on top of this patchwork. With the British empire gone, they now had to run a unified country themselves. Without the skills and culture to do so, they (poorly) attempted to keep the British administration running. A good example of them is their capital, New Delhi.
Unlike what the map might tell you, it is not a single city, instead it is a demented blob of districts in constant competition for resources and power. The national capital region (NCR) is divided between 12 city councils, 8 development planning authorities, 4 metro systems, 4 pollution/environmental protection boards, 3 police forces and every seeming government function is split into divided factions along with the 4 different state judiciary and legislatures and state congresses. All these organizations are competing for the same resources and funding. These factions engage in turf wars (but instead of rival gangs, you have rival governments) such as blocking the flow of water. They also have to fight a “water mafia” (archive)
Law enforcement is lacking. Police are corrupt and using your position to escape punishment is normal. When facing police, Indians try to claim respect by positioning themselves as a higher caste. To avoid the dishonor of getting persecuted, they try to bribe the officer. Should it come to a court case, bribing the judge and witnesses is packet and parcel.
Perhaps the most infamous crime of India is gang rape. Whenever a woman is not escorted by a male relative, she is free game. Observed in countless rapes on the bus or the streets. A typical example is a girl that gets raped, goes to the police to report it, and then gets raped by police (archive). This behavior is not a source of national shame. Instead the name of the victim will shoot to the top of the search results of porn websites. (archive)
Female tourists are warned of the dangers of India, and female journalists are not safe even with a camera aimed at them. (archive)
India still expects brides to bring a dowry. If a woman does not bring a plot of land and valuables, she is unable to marry. If the dowry is deemed insufficient, the woman gets mistreated to the point of death. To deal with the extreme cost of marrying daughters, Indians have decided to kill any daughters born. (archive) Even though there is now a shortage of young women, dowries are still expected. In fact, a valuable educational position has been added as a demand.(archive) The government tries to deal with this by shipping off their excess men to other countries.
All of this comes together in Hinduism. It reinforces their caste system, their pollution, their mistreatment of women, and their suicidal belief that nothing matters. Whatever good Hinduism could do, is long since lost in centuries of devolution. Most we know of religious texts and rites are from British sources trying to understand, write down and codify Hinduism.
One example of a belief that is now actively damaging is their cow worship and cow dung. Cows started as an object of value. One of their words for war, gavisti, basically translates as "a desire for more cows". Cow urine was recommended to treat wounds and skin conditions, as the urine is caustic. The dung was useful for fertilizer. But over thousands of years, like some twisted game of telephone, cows and their dung became seen as sacred and clean. Outside of these uses. This results in Indians burning dried cow poop as incense and using it as medicine.
Indian migration
During the British period, the Brits educated Indians to work as middle management in their empire. In the early days after the second world war, the terminal British schooling institutions still produced a trickle of Indian graduates good enough to work in the west. Companies were eager to scoop up these relics of a bygone era as cheap educated labor, but eventually the system collapsed and was unable to provide quality education. The mythical Indian doctor and scientist stuck in popular imagination.Around the turn of the millennium, western computer tech faced a problem. They wanted cheap, exploitable labor, similar to the agricultural sector and their illegal Mexicans. Indians were thought to be the solution. Indians could do some basic coding and could speak some English. As demand for more cheap tech workers grew, India responded. Overnight countless IT schools popped up to create the next batch of tech Indians. Thriving off of momentum from the code written by the expensive white workers, management did not notice the code slowly grew worse as more under-educated Indians added their code to the codebase. By the time the tech broke down, it was too late. The company had replaced its valuable workers with cheap dysfunctional workers, and had not enough skilled workers. Their management layer was full of Indians with hiring more Indians.
The pathway these Indians took was with the H1-B visa. H1-B was meant to draw in the brightest to America to fill the gaps American citizens could not fill. The original plan was to let 64 000 foreigners per year enter the US, but this limit was systematically ignored. To get someone an H1-B, the company needs to prove they cannot source the employee from American citizens. To do this, they put ads in obscure places. Once nobody responds to an ad in a local newspaper, they can import the Indian.
Even with more H1-Bs being handed out than was intended, there were more hopeful participants than they could let in. The final decision on who was given a visa, was with a lottery system. The lottery system did not discriminate between an uber driver and an IT specialist. Some of the H1-Bs would be uneducated peasants from pre-industrial villages. To maintain their H1-B after they lost their tech job, they turned to delivering food.
Other Indians find work in the trucking industry. Here, one of them obtains a license, and invites multiple other Indians to join him in the cab. They take turns driving to allow them to perform far more deliveries than a single trucker could. They cut a hole in the driver seat so they can shit while driving. Their terrible driving skills put countless people in danger. Decisions like turning a truck 180 degrees on the highway, have cost lives. (archive)
Canada also tried to draw in foreign talent. They lowered the barriers needed to move to Canada as a student. Indians in Canada set up diploma mills to pull in millions of Indians. Some Indians would never finish their degree, and instead work. Others would get a useless diploma and use that to acquire a visa. Within a decade, 10% of the Canadian population was Indians. These Indians did not try to integrate into Canadian society. They would congregate in ethnic enclaves. Canadian foodbanks were seen as piggy banks that could be freely abused. (Archive) Canadian women get harassed by Indian men. (archive)
The UK has had multiple waves of Indian immigrants. During decolonization Indians and Pakistanis made use of the commonwealth to get into the UK. After that option was closed in 62, the UK still was a favored target for migration. The Pakistanis would form the infamous Rotherham rape gangs. After Brexit south Asians were once again sourced to find replacements for EU workers.
The EU now looks to India as relations with America become tense. Naturally, the Indian government demanded unlimited migration for “skilled workers” and Indian drugs being dumped on the European market. In return the trade tariffs are reduced on EU goods. But with a GDP per capita of 2700 dollars, it is unlikely Indians will buy a lot of German made cars. Even if the tariff will be dropped from 110% to 40%.
Indians on the world wide web
With the advent of smartphones, Indians have quickly become one of the biggest demographics online. It is a change felt across the world wide web. Videos show Indians get run over by trains and be involved with horrible traffic accidents. Backpackers filming their adventures record the constant harassment they have to deal with. The filth and littering are caught in full HD.Indians become known for some of the worst aspects of the internet. They are prolific scammers, with call centers full of Indians trying to convince the elderly to hand over their savings. They use google store cards and crypto currency to avoid scam filters set up by banks. In 2022, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that U.S. citizens lost about $10.2 billion to internet/call-center-related scams in that year.The most famous clip is the "do not redeem" clip, in which scambaiter Kitboga drives a scammer mad after stringing him along for hours.(archive)
On twitter they are the source of “western values” grifter accounts (archive). Ever since twitter allows for sharing ad revenue, they fill the site with as much engagement bait as possible. The inclusion of the grok AI made them use the large language model as a sort of oracle. (archive)
On Github and other coding websites, Indians try to do whatever they can to get credits. (archive) They use trickery, copied code, LLM generated non-functioning code to hopefully bring them close to a visa.
Planes, Trains, and Ovenmobiles
As mentioned, previously, Indians are really bad about vehicular accidents in their own country. As you have no doubt internalized at this point, this is largely due to their abject stupidity and lack of common sense.On a good day, Mumbai's own train system kills ten Indians (archive), and across the country, fifty people die of railway accidents every day. Part of this is due to how massively overcrowded their trains are, with some even riding on the outside of the train(!!!)
This is also partly explained by India having the second largest rail network in the world, somehow only beaten by the United States (lol wtf). About 23 million Indians ride the rail system every day, so it seemingly makes sense that a lot of them would die in rail accidents.
Train deaths are so prevalent in India that they are easily found on sites like X:
An aside: video in particular was posted by the India Council For Men Affairs, a MGTOW group for India. Consequently, the comments demonstrate an outpouring of love and support for this poor woman, demonstrating the natural empathy of their race:
I don't want to dig through social media videos watching vids of Indians being hit by trains because I still have a soul, so have one more video of a guy being beaten + pushed onto a rail track because he accidentally bumped into a woman:
Indians and freak accidents go hand-in-hand even off the railways. In 2024, a 19-year-old Indian girl was was cooked alive in a Walmart walk-in oven. (archive)
Somehow, despite the emergency release latch inside the oven working just fine (a conclusion reached by an official safety investigation) and nothing being wrong with the area around the oven, she still managed to kill herself. The oven she was found dead in is designed to not close automatically and is extremely difficult to close from the inside, as is obvious to anyone who's ever worked at a Walmart or any retail chain with these walk-in ovens.
Some believe foul play was involved (suspicious circumstances around death, mother walking around store asking for her a few hours before she was found), others believe she was just too much of a dumb ass to press the emergency button. In any case, her family launched a successful GoFundMe (archive) for the benefit of the family.
Conclusion
If you came to this page, you probably already had experiences with Indians. Those experiences are, sadly, not the exception. India itself is a deeply troubled country. It has rampant pollution, corruption and demographic problems. The west has let countless of these people in. With no check whether they have the skills we need, willingness to integrate, or desire to contribute to their host country. The result is a parallel society that causes trouble and does not contribute.These issues are deeply rooted in their culture. Their home country exemplifies how they do not care for their environment, they do not care for women and they do not care for civil society. This makes them incompatible with the high trust society of the west. The best solution is to let them sort out their own problems, instead of letting them flee to other countries.
Special thanks to @Waffle Iron, @llllIllIllIIIIllI, and @WE'RE ALL GONNA for making this rewrite. (the noise started the rough draft but a lot of this is their work because the noise is a retarded nigger. please let him know on his profile page)
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