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Nothing reassures me more about a technology that's being shilled as The Future for my desktop than a chinkphone marketing blurb excerpt.
The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice
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Isn't he a glorified UX fag? Ie he doesn't do any real code
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So, which DE is next on the chopping block? Xfce?
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Doubt it. I mean, eventually, sure, but they move at a glacial pace, so by the time they drop X11, Arcan will be stable.
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Xfce mate and cinnamon don't even have stable Wayland sessions yet I doubt it'll be a problem for a while lol
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well shit. I've now grown comfy in using KDE for my day to day tasks, despite some minor annoyances, and now they pull this shit.
guess i'll switch back to xfce4 in a year...
guess i'll switch back to xfce4 in a year...
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Would arcane bridge the gap between x11 and Wayland in any way or would we be better off just using xorg de/wms
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Nah, just a joke that there is another perpetual-beta backend looming in the background.
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The only way Linux desktop will be saved is if Valve looks at Windows' DWM, and makes something that does everything that it does but in Linux. Ditto for replacing ALSA by looking at WASAPI. If Microsoft had it all figured out since 2006 then so should Linux.
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Yeah I've been running a CachyOS KDE desktop for something like a year. Fuck this, fuck that. I've known I should switch away but this'll do it for me. I can't stand the cutesy lil rugpull switcheroo they just pulled. Gotta have a line and this is a pretty easy one.
Have an Artix gtk community xlibre iso downloading as I type this.
Have an Artix gtk community xlibre iso downloading as I type this.
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GNU Abyss
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The company known for quietly shelving and abandoning anything that doesn't tingle their ADHD sense of wonder? No thanks. Their microcompositor has a chance of being maintained because it's related to playing games on the Deck. Anything outside of that and drivers made primarily by Valve I want nothing to do with.
Personally, I like Windows staying Windows and Linux staying Linux. I don't need Winux or Lindows in my life.
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Oh ok, cause the project looks interesting I just wasn't sure if there was actual hype around it other than fuck wayland
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I've grown to like some aspects of systemd (easy management of services mostly), but it does violate the "Unix philosophy" and it's grown to a giant binary. Like so many aspects of modern Linux software, it was forced on users by corporate interests and that generates resentment. I don't hate it but I understand the hate. At least it works well.
I try to use a Wayland session 2-3 times a year and it breaks so many fundamental aspects of my desktop, like global hotkeys and screen recording/sharing, that it's not worth it. It doesn't work at all in VirtualBox so good luck trying to test it under a Windows or Mac host. I've never had a krash under a KDE X11 session but I've experienced several using the Wayland session. Like systemd and Rust, it's being pushed onto users by a small group who've decided they know best under the guise of "muh modern software", without regard to compatibility or long-standing unsolved issues. If Wayland ever becomes stable and supports all/most of X11's features I'll stop hating it, but for now I hate it and even moreso the attitude of the people forcing it.
Also hate Rust, btw.
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I use artix but I use KDE Wayland on it cause for my use case Wayland is fine
Once KDE stops supporting alt inits then I'll start looking into xfce mate etc but I'm expecting Wayland to work by then
For my other machines I'm xorg exclusive wayland just doesn't play nicely with old hardware
But for those machines KDE is also way too heavy so I'm already using mate xfce icewm
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Forced? Nigger its the easiest thing in the world. .iso file goes click.
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I actually forced myself to live with GNOME Shell and KDE Plasma 6 with Wayland for a month straight under Fedora 43. X11 is superior, flat-out. I can play vidya, I can do all the stuff X11 does under Wayland (barring VNC), but you know what sucks?
A) Wayland is a display server protocol that outsources shit to the compositor
B) The compositor ain’t standardised and they reinvent the wheel in slightly ways. Mutter on GNOME, Kwin on Plasma 6, Sway, Hyprland, they all do shit slightly differently in ways that cascade for the worse on the user experience.
C) SIGSEGV errors are ubiquitous even when they’re non fatal. You try submitting bug reports, you find out the same issue’s existed for months, years even, on Red Hat’s bugzilla but they won’t move or get resolved because upstream (ie KDE, GNOME) need to fix it
D) KDE and GNOME are fucking awful when it comes to resolving bugs because they’re prone to pushing shit back, NOTABUGing, WONTFIXing, and anything else to avoid accountability.
E) Waking up from suspend is fucking awful under Wayland, even on a DESKTOP that I specifically run AMD hardware on. Beyond suspend, there’s at least a 15-20s delay when I click on Konsole or GNOME Terminal or Firefox or whatever and the application actually fires up. Even worse for Steam and Heroic Games Launcher.
F) Multimonitor support on KDE using Wayland is fucking abysmal. Mouse hangs when switching between monitors, delays with ALT-TAB, all this shit persists despite lowering my refresh rate on both monitors from 75Hz to 60Hz and disabling VSync on everything I could. Mind you… none of this shit would be a problem if I was running Xorg.
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Wayland’s been under constant development for almost 20 years and the only meaningful solution it offers is for a mathematician’s problem that secured namespaces on X11 already solves, as does SELinux integration that federal agencies implemented decades ago when adopting Linux for mission critical software. Wayland is fucking GARBAGE software, and all who promulgated it, developed it, or otherwise contributed to it deserve to be flogged publicly for our own amusement.
Imam Khomeini once called for the death of the USA, as it was the Great Satan. I disagree, and believe that it’s Wayland who deserves to be called the Great Satan and Harbinger of Enshittification.
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I'm not sure if I had that installer the last time I used it (back in the '90s), but it had a lot of community-driven howtos for the use cases that made sense (in my case specifically a firewall/router run headless with no DE (or maybe a really minimal one with just X) and kept under a bed that just ran for years with no maintenance other than blowing out dust bunnies every few months). I just followed a guide and it worked.
I might consider NetBSD for a similar project if I ever felt I needed such a thing again.
I am far from a wizard at any variety of Unix, but these BSDs are not really atrociously difficult. They're not even as wizardly as stuff like Gentoo, especially if your first encounters with Unix were BSD.
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After spending a few man days over the past maybe three months (I was busy) setting up my new system, I wanted to port over the databases from the old one. At the beginning. I decided that it may be fun to try out postgresql instead of mariadb, only to now learn that sql dumps are not as easy to convert from one engine to another as one might think, while a bunch of stuff is already configured for postgresql. Well, you live and you learn. 
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It seems rather weird they would make a breaking change in a minor version. Why wouldn't they make this KDE Plasma 7 instead? I don't particularly have a love for x11 or wayland but shit "just werx" on x11 so I have little impetus as a user to move away from it.