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Telling a gay man he can't tell if he's ever fucked a woman... uh huh. Right.
Well would a faggot even notice a difference between a pussy and an asshole slathered in lube? Since all they do is fuck shitholes they wouldn't even know what a pussy feels like in the first place.

So I can buy that they wouldn't be able to tell. I don't believe, however, that these faggots wouldn't be able to tell they're talkin to a woman though.
 
After the recent article in The Advocate about a gay men's campground banning doods, the subject of pooner inclusion in gay male spaces has been a topic on gay Twitter. It seems the tide is turning among gay men, with more openly saying "no, actually, I don't want to munch hairy minge."

It started with this street-shitter screenshotting Simon's posts. Nikhil deleted this post after getting a lot of backlash:
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This brought the pooners out of the woodwork, and led to some of the most insane statements I have ever seen from pooners:
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Telling a gay man he can't tell if he's ever fucked a woman... uh huh. Right.

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Only liking dick = bigotry and "sex essentialism," apparently. LOL.
"You fool! You failed to consider that if I insist my opinion is fact, your are factually incorrect!"
 
Well would a faggot even notice a difference between a pussy and an asshole slathered in lube? Since all they do is fuck shitholes they wouldn't even know what a pussy feels like in the first place.

So I can buy that they wouldn't be able to tell. I don't believe, however, that these faggots wouldn't be able to tell they're talkin to a woman though.
I’d love to hear a scenario where a faghot somehow ends up balls deep in a vagina, and all along never realizes that he’s in fact dealing with a woman, and the vag isn’t an anus.

Because ai sure as fuck can’t imagine that.
 
Is… Is lil dood IN LOVE?!?

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Watching these chicks complicate their lives in the most retarded way possible is truly something to gawk at.
You can see how similar they are to troons in their own way. This is classic skinwalking behavior.

Introducing the gender-horseshoe.

You start as a woman in lingerie, transition and… End right where you started.

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Circling back to the yaoi- to-pooner pipeline, this makes sense. They are not trying to transition into Arnold Schwarzenegger. They are trying to transition into a hyperfeminized uke boys. Here’s the type of characters a lot of them aspire to.

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If you’re working with the logic that they want to transition to men, and men are best manly, then a lot of pooner behaviors don’t make sense - but if you’re working with the logic that they want to transition into the pink-haired guy above, suddenly it clicks. Just like a lot of troons have one very specific type of unrealistic and uncommon girl (usually teenagers!) they want to turn into, pooners also have this. They want to transition into the girliest member of their favorite K-pop band.

Yaoi-to-pooner types are interesting. They’re women so they’re more susceptible to social pressure and scolding than troons. You tell a troon that zero 35-year-old women wear striped thigh-highs? 90% give no fucks and will keep dressing like that for the coom.

But with pooners, you tell them “men don’t act like the boys you see in yaoi” And you can instill some shame in them. Someone who was content to continue acting feminine just without boobs, now suddenly feels like they need a pube beard, or to start talking about something like football or whatever. They’d rather be reading romance and doting on handsome men, but they’re told that’s not manly and start trying to change their behavior.

As I mentioned before, you really didn’t see that many pooners until the Own Voices movement in YA and comics around 2014-16 iirc - Fujo’s were criticized for being straight women writing homosexual male characters and rather than saying “fuck off”, a lot of them started transitioning. It was a response to social pressure! And it’s part of the reason you don’t see them much in Asia, which arguably has more BL fans than the West. You see MtFs in Asia all the time but since there was no social pressure saying “you can’t enjoy BL unless you’re a gay male” (which again makes no sense since it’s a straight girl genre ), there has not been a huge influx of Asian FtMs. So like America prior to 2014 or so, the trans people there are usually just men.

I do know of a few Asian FtMs - 95% are Asian Americans and the other 5% have an online presence that is totally in English and the target audience is American/international.
 
As I mentioned before, you really didn’t see that many pooners until the Own Voices movement in YA and comics around 2014-16 iirc - Fujo’s were criticized for being straight women writing homosexual male characters and rather than saying “fuck off”, a lot of them started transitioning. It was a response to social pressure! And it’s part of the reason you don’t see them much in Asia, which arguably has more BL fans than the West. You see MtFs in Asia all the time but since there was no social pressure saying “you can’t enjoy BL unless you’re a gay male” (which again makes no sense since it’s a straight girl genre ), there has not been a huge influx of Asian FtMs. So like America prior to 2014 or so, the trans people there are usually just men.
BL is pretty much a genre created by and for women with weird tastes lmao so I always found it funny that anyone would come in and pretend they're "intruding". It's kind of its own weird thing. It'd be like arguing men who watch lesbian porn are weird because doesn't he know that's for lesbians? When we all know it isn't.

I actually remember there was this ancient post (like 90s internet ancient) by a gay man who discovered slash and was bemused it was a bunch of women writing it. But actually liked it, I guess, on the front that there wasn't much m/m content or whatever other reasons and he wrote a bit about gay male experiences and culture so that someone could write it more realistically if they so chose. I'm always reminded of that whenever people bring up the "fetishizing" aspect. It's sort of true to an extent but anyone gay who was aware of the genre up until perhaps recently never seemed to give a shit. It was a niche and most people understood that in a lot of ways it was never actually about the "real thing". Why would anyone care? What effects would it have on the average actual gay person before current year?

Unironically because of pooners it has and because they're not meant to "fetishize" it has.

It's just all really weird.
 
In my adventures perusing the poon sphere, I have stumbled on yet another den of pooner debauchery. It's time for us to go on a little adventure exploring r/growyourtdick , a subreddit devoted to women sharing tips on maximizing their megaclit growth within the context of pretending to be men. I'll just go ahead and knock it into spoilers sections for organization and to hide the obvious NSFW material. I'll leave the majority of mere pornography out of this post. Y'all can browse the endless collection of malformed female genitals from mentally ill attention whores on your own.

Please take their crayons away.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1i2flae/lets_talk_some_more_about_foreskin_and_its/
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(i wrote 4 pages, lets do this in the comments for the sake of my sanity and ability to correct my typos 🫡)

TL;DR - hoping everyone is doing well, please update me if you've been keeping up with your stretches and have noticed improvements already, reach out if confused about a diagram or how to stretch, or even if interested in joining in! thank you for doing this with me, y'all, and for all your kind words. it means a lot.

https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...wanting_to_prove_my_hypothesis_that_foreskin/
i realize this is an unusual request, but i hope my longterm standing here makes it obvious this is not a fetish or something with monetary motives for me. would anyone be willing to collaborate with me on this?

this would entail working with people bone-pressed longer than 3cm, photographing your dick both stretched and relaxed from the side (best if you are tightly trimmed or shaved for best analysis), and me drawing where to tug on top of the photos. i would also love to show these drawn-on pictures here in a compilation, as examples of how to approach different styles of minora, frenulum, and foreskin, but i would ask for consent first, obviously.

i believe this is especially useful for those who want meta eventually, have trouble getting or keeping erections or who want a more tubularized penis. EDIT: or who those feel particularly buried or held down.

TLDR: i tried something different last night and my god my whole dick shifted a little as it was allowed to uncurl, and i want to see if its just me. i am very excited but dont want to get ahead of myself.
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Is this really necessary?
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/12pwgc3/how_to_clean_your_bottom_growth_a_guide/
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Hey y’all! !!slight tw for genital terms!! After spending some time on this sub and others, I’ve found a lot of questions about cleaning and wanted to make a quick guide on the subject. The image I’ve provided is a rough sketch depicting where it is okay to use unscented, gentle soaps and where it is not.

Personally my routine is; in the shower, lather up a Dove Sensitive Skin Unscented Beauty Bar in clean hands and gently scrub the outer vulva area (green area), making sure to get all of the folds in the skin. Then I rinse with warm water and, after removing all of the suds, use my fingers to clean under my foreskin and between my labia minori (pink area) with fresh warm water ONLY. NEVER go inside the bonus hole when cleaning the area, as it is self-cleaning. Then I ensure the area is dry after my shower and use some sort of unscented skin oil (my favorite is almond oil) on the green areas to moisturize.

I hope this helps someone out there!

This is nightmare fuel for the ladies in the audience.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1guh24b/hanging_17lbs_from_my_dick/
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not sure why, but hanging always feels so intense compared to the more relaxed extending technique (which also works on erection angle). but its very effective! last night i got up to 8.6cm stretched flaccid by hanging for 40 minutes, before my dick said 'uncle'.

Wanna stretch your clit like a permanently floppy microdick?
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1hx3fy8/permanent_stretching_results/


Masturbation should be scary.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1gpj7av/mini_fleshlight/
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Here's a mini fleshlight DIY I put together. I can get a good stretch going, but it can get intense so go slow.

Let me know what you think if you try this out. DIY and jerk responsibly!

Fuck it. No one should sleep well tonight.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1fyzr9n/does_this_hurt_the_dick_no/
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usually i just set and forget my extender at a 90° angle as i lay flat on my back, but last night i decided to be a bit more intentional about it and did a few angles, including straight down. i'm feeling a good stretch-sore this morning, which is a great sign. 💪

the other photos (post-cup-removal) demonstrate the kind of length i'd be able to pull off without the ligaments and tissues holding me down naturally. it makes me hopeful for meta.

Medfags, please explain what sort of nightmarish horrors are depicted in this CT scan. I'm seeing a ton of bulking in the internal clitoral bulbs. They're growing their internal clitoris so much more than any external element.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD..._thought_it_might_be_interesting_to_show_the/
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I realize this isn’t the typical content for this sub, but I was disappointed by the lack of published radiology imaging of trans men’s anatomy on T, & thought this might be a good place to share this scan I had done for an unrelated health concern.

Sorry about the low quality of the scan of the cis woman’s pelvis—I wasn’t able to find a sharper image, unfortunately.

Arts & crafts megaclit.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...e_a_cast_of_my_tdick_using_a_cloneawilly_kit/
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IT GLOWS IN THE DARK!!!!

Before and after megaclit growth:
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...is_what_5_months_on_t_vs_3_yrs_on_t_can_look/
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Another timeline:
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1hevzer/dick_timeline/
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Pre T, 1 yr, 2 yrs, 3 yrs

So fucking girly:
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1heoent/tdick_doodles/
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Hope you guys like it! I’m pre-T but starting soon hopefully. I want to grow my dick so badly so I drew some goals. Enjoy!

Do you like veiny clits?
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1i2y91d/really_starting_to_appreciate_the_veins/
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still waiting on bottom surgery, but seeing these changes and developments to my dick after several years on T makes it easier

Just why the elephants...
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...yway_to_raise_the_shaft_of_my_dick_to_a_more/
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I drew over the pics I took hopefully to reduce creeps in my dms lol

Anyway if I slip my dick through a loop and yoink it up, I can position it to look more like a cis cock and balls. Where normally it looks like my dick slipped down between my nuts and it’s causing more dysphoria. I’m sure there isn’t, but does anyone know a trick to overtime get it to stay up more. without surgery to free it from being “ tied down”? it sucks knowing it could look sooo much better with just that small tweak 🥲

What am I even looking at? Please explain this biology.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD..._completely_new_ways_to_grow_your_tdick_that/
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I sent an email to Dr. Kim in Seoul at the suggestion of someone on here regarding dermal fillers for trans men Tdicks - and I got the following response -

"Yes, absolutely. We can start by injecting 1-2 ml of HA but with great care to avoid damaging injury to the blood supply.

It's a very good idea and we already do it. It costs US$1200 for glans enhancement.

It is not uncommon for patients who have undergone metoidioplasty.

There is also another way to enlarge the entire size of the genitalia in a comprehensive way – HGH injections.

We offer both solutions. And they can both be done at the same to provide increased value for the fixed costs involved in visiting Seoul.

The FtM patient in the photos did NOT get metoidioplasty because of lack of support from his religiously conservative father who threatened to disown him. Instead, he got HGH therapy from Dr Kim with a result that is better than some people get from surgery.

It enables him to have sexual intercourse.

HA is also very helpful in volume increase and we can combine both solutions.

HA gives instant size increase. HGH is a slow and sure therapy with 3D results.

In the photos, the difference between before and after is two years.

Best Regards,
Patient Relations Department
Dr Kim Jin Hong MD PhD
Genito-Urinary Reconstructive Surgery Institute
Gangnam-gu, Seoul 06038 "

I really don't think the condom is necessary.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...enough_to_try_on_a_durex_potato_quality_pics/
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https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTDick/comments/1gf9x17/a_nonjudgmental_guide_for_genital_acne/
[I will be using anatomical terms in this post] To help anyone searching the sub: acne is also known as: pimples, spots, cysts. (let me know if I missed any terms)

GENITAL ACNE IS SUPER NORMAL AND NOT UNCOMMON.

I have included all information to be as thorough and informative as possible. If you want to jump straight to the tips go to that section. Feel free to add anything you know from your own experience in the comments! Let's help each other out :)

Background​

I personally had to figure this out within 2 months of starting testosterone at the beginning of this year. I'd never experienced genital acne before (I'm 42) so it was kinda worrying and very uncomfortable. I am really good at medical research though as I have complex medical conditions so I did a ton of research and trying things out. I have also dealt with sebaceous cysts before and it's not dissimilar treatment.

I wanted to write up a post on this for a while as I've seen it come up more and more.

Where do we get genital acne?

It can literally come up on any of the genital skin. I've had it on the outer labia, inner labia, around the entrance to my vagina on the lower inner labia, and on my foreskin. I've seen some people post on here with one under their foreskin or even the crown of the head of their dick. It's all normal.

It's not necessarily about how clean we are

Genital acne is super normal and happens because our genitals are made of skin with pores. From my research it seems to be more common in amab people and so my guess would be that trans-masc people can start to experience it for the first time during our second (testosterone driven) puberty. It's likely because on testosterone we sweat a lot more. We also have unique anatomy compared to cis men and amab people where our dicks are basically sandwiched between our scrotums and we have anatomy that produces more fluids. Good hygiene can improve the likelihood that acne doesn't occur but we can still get acne even with daily showering, especially if we're prone to it. Just like anywhere on our bodies.

Testosterone puberty and FTM transition

As we know there's a lot of changes in our transition that aren't talked about medically or even outside of smaller communities like these. Here's some that's important to the acne problem.

What starts out as our outer labia becomes much more scrotum like. For me this has meant multiple things:

  • More hair - denser, grows in different places, thicker hair.
  • Fat greatly reduced in the outer labia.
  • The skin changed and feels softer, more pliable, and thinner like a scrotum.
  • This skin sweats a lot more and also folds on itself more creating more sweat. The sweat definitely smells masculine.
  • What I produce when I orgasm has more substance to it so I'd guess this includes more proteins or other things that could block pores.
In particular, my hair now grows all over this now scrotal-like skin even on the insides of the outer labia folds and up to and including what is the inner labia. This was so supremely uncomfortable and even painful that I have had some laser treatments to soften and reduce the hair.

Our dick and (what was the hood) foreskin grows significantly and this skin also changes texture and is very much dick and foreskin skin. It's got a very different appearance and texture to pre-testosterone and matches my experience of cis dicks. This means multiple things:

  • This skin sweats.
  • It has more pores.
  • It has more contact with other skin and sweat transfer from the outer labia/scrotal skin.
  • Our dicks are like uncircumcised cis dicks which mean we have to maintain the hygiene of someone who is uncircumcised.

What is genital acne​

Genital acne like any other acne are blocked or infected pores in our skin. They can range in variety from and include:

White heads - they don't look much like white heads on our face or the rest of our body as the skin is slightly different. They are much less likely to pop or open up and are more likely to resolve without the skin breaking. This means they heal slower but this is better in the long run! They often look like they're fluid filled with a thinner layer of skin on top. NEVER POP THEM.

Cysts
- sometimes these can become cyst-like. They are deeper, swell more, and are painful. These will be very similar to other cystic acne on our back, butt, or body. Often they're a lot smaller though. They can be hot to the touch and hard if they are inflamed. They can get bigger before they resolve don't worry if they do just follow the tips below.

Bumps - either of these could just start out as small sore bumps but never develop beyond that. Checking your skin regularly can alert you before they become cystic.

Again, GENITAL ACNE IS SUPER NORMAL AND NOT UNCOMMON.

Even someone with extremely good hygiene practices can experience it. It is more common during puberty and for some of us it's just inevitable.


Things that are likely to cause it and what else to do instead​

I've personally figured out these things are more likely to cause genital acne, but sometimes it is also just unavoidable and happens anyway. Either way try to avoid or reduce the following:

  • Skipping showers. I know it sucks. I used to be able to shower 3 times a week no problem. Now I have to shower daily. If I absolutely can't (disability) I always use a wipe on my genitals - a water based baby wipe is best. For worst-case-scenarios/a lot of sweating I have "intimate wipes" with tea tree oil. Don't use these between the inner labia/around the vagina or urethra.
  • Sitting for a long period of time. I think the sweat builds without much opportunity for airing things out and drying off because of our anatomy/folding of skin. The first time my genital acne became cystic was on a 12 hour flight.
  • Not cleaning after sex, masturbation, or even pumping sessions. We can't always have a full shower right after. I use baby wipes to clean up as thoroughly as possible. I have had acne even caused by high quality water based lube alone. Sex with another person in particular will introduce the bacteria that live on their skin. We can have really unique biomes and some people even have strep-type bacteria or MRSA living on their skin peacefully (for them) but not us.
  • Not cleaning after working out/a long day rushing around doing errands etc. See the first point. Use wipes if you can before bed.
  • Oil based lubes. Some of us just can't use this and it will block pores, especially with pumping, sorry.
  • Pumping. This one is unfortunate especially in this sub. I still pump, but cautiously with the right lube and cleaning. My theory is pumping can stretch the pores and such and cause more dirt to enter them or get trapped.
  • Stand to pee devices. Sad, I know. I use a spouti and even with the spouti if I get a small leak or moisture and let it sit for too long = acne. Again, wipes are good. Taking individually wrapped ones for long days out is important. Even drying off with a facial tissue discretely at urinals improves the odds of acne.
  • Masturbating without washing hands. I know, I know sometimes you just gotta get to it. It's like face acne tho - there's so much dirt and bacteria on our hands and nails, if we touch this skin too much it'll cause acne. Keep baby wipes and hand sanitizer near your bed or something idk. Be sure to wait for the alcohol to evaporate if you go that route.
  • Physical activity and friction. If you already have acne, it's become cystic or inflamed, any physical activity, even a lot of walking can make it worse - more swollen and painful and take longer to clear up. Remember it's sometimes about damage to the skin. Try to take breaks and spread your skin out to give it air and reduce friction.
  • If you have fragile/delicate skin. I have a connective tissue disorder and I think this is why I can be prone. See the above point.
  • Tight underwear. Once we have enough growth we might need to wear boxers to give our genitals room to grow and breathe. If they're cheap they may not be breathable enough. If you prefer wearing feminine underwear make sure it's breathable and not too tight.
  • Waxing, sugaring, and shaving. The pores get damaged and blocked with these types of hair removal as they're destructive, I'm sorry. This doesn't happen with laser or electrolysis based hair removal.
  • Long or a lot of hair. The more hair you have the more you have to be diligent about cleaning it and maintaining things. Try trimming with clippers if you prefer to have hair.

The soap and water myth - important!!!​

I get where this comes from - as people with a vagina we're told not to use soap with fragrances or anything that is not meant for a vagina or pH balanced for it. We are yelled at constantly that plain water is enough and if we must use soap it should be unscented and mild. This just isn't true for some of us and specifically is ONLY about a vagina, not the rest of our genital area.

While it's true that this is how you should treat your vagina it's not necessary for the entire area. I would even go so far as to argue: with FTM transition, enough changes in our anatomy that we no longer have what is a typical vulva.

We would never tell cis men/amab people to only ever wash their scrotum or dick with water or plain unscented soap.


I absolutely must use body wash down there now - specifically on my dick and outer labia/scrotal skin and between my outer and inner labia. If I don't I stink to high heaven and it's a guarantee to get acne. However, I do use mild sensitive skin friendly body wash from Dove Men Care+.

The important thing is to not use this down around your vaginal entrance or urethra and never internally. Up under your dick and even under your foreskin is fine imo. If you experience irritation adjust as needed.

Foreskins: Some people may experience a dry head/under the foreskin area if they do this every day, so use water under the foreskin every other day. I personally am fine with the body wash and never have trouble with lubrication under there.

It's cool that some of you can get away with plain water or what have you, it's just not possible for some of us, especially after transition and during 2nd puberty.

Tips: what to do about genital acne and how to clear it up​

PATIENCE IS KEY: NEVER POP OR SQUEEZE IT. The more trauma your skin is under the more it'll get inflamed, painful, and swollen. It will take longer to heal.

!!!
If you get broken skin it can get infected !!!

Acne often gets worse before it gets better. Trust the process and actively work on healing it.


  1. Hot compresses or bath
The heat reduces inflammation and promotes healing.

Wet a CLEAN face towel, wring it out, heat it in the microwave for 1-2 minutes. Be careful it's not too hot and apply it to the affected skin. Reheat and keep applying over 10 minutes at a time 3-4 times a day.

Alternatively a hot bath will do the same. It can just be a shallow one - whatever it takes to soak this area. When traveling this may be all that's possible. A hot shower directed at the area could achieve the same. 10 mins, 3-4 times a day.

This is especially critical for anything that becomes cystic. It might be the only way to really heal it.

  1. Keep it extra clean
Baby wipes, intimate wipes, whatever it takes. 2-3 times a day. As I said I also have intimate wipes that have a VERY small/low percentage of tee tree oil in them.

  1. NSAID like ibuprofen
If it's cystic, hot, painful, swollen, and being stubborn an NSAID can help. A half max dose every 4-6 hours should be plenty. Don't take this if you have any medical contraindications.

  1. Benzoyl Peroxide
Yes, it is safe to use this on genital skin. Be careful to avoid the vaginal entrance and urethra though. You can get both:

  • 4% benzoyl peroxide wash (body or face)
  • 5% benzoyl peroxide cream
Brands will depend on where you live. Google these things or search amazon and you'll find them. In Canada/US I like CeraVe wash and Neutrogena cream. I actually don't use the wash on my genitals, I don't find I need it - just my back and butt. You may find you need it.

I do use the cream on my genital acne when acne pops up. It helps dramatically speed up the healing and clears things up. It also reduces the chances of it becoming cystic. Apply in moderation a couple times a day. Be careful about not spreading it all over.

I have used it everywhere from my foreskin to my outer labia/scrotal skin, and even on my inner labia where I have had acne on the edge of the hanging skin (I have larger outer labia).

Test on a small area of skin first and if you get irritation or a reaction stop using it.

Things I tried that didn't really work​

Your mileage may vary but these things didn't work for me although I used them a lot at first and thought maybe they did:

  • Medicated antibiotic ointment like neo/polysporin.
  • Antiseptic ointment like germaline.
  • Various ingrown hair/bump creams.
  • Other acne cream that is not benzoyl peroxide.
  • Tee tree oil or witch hazel - probably works a little but VERY drying and can cause burns.

Some sources​

So you know I'm not full of shit or sharing things that are dangerous. AGAIN THOUGH, I think we should take the soap advice to typical AFAB/vulva owners with a grain of salt when we are FTM.

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/how-to-treat-vaginal-pimples-and-acne

https://www.health.com/condition/skin-conditions/vagina-pimples

https://www.healthline.com/health/womens-health/vaginal-pimples#_noHeaderPrefixedContent

There's many more articles out there that I referenced in my original research when dealing with this, but these were the best. I've tried to tailor this post specifically to our FTM experience.

Let me know if you have anything to add or anything else! I hope this helps anyone who finds it for a long time to come. You're not alone :)

SFW closing absurdity.
https://old.reddit.com/r/GrowYourTD...attoo_in_honor_of_bottom_growth_being_my_fav/
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For some reason, pooners like to call their megaclits "shrimps." I'm sure it makes sense to them.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I feel as though I've just dived into some lovecraftian nightmare realm and I need to excise myself from this abyss before it takes form in my mind and assembles anything resembling sense.
 
Fujo’s were criticized for being straight women writing homosexual male characters and rather than saying “fuck off”, a lot of them started transitioning
I'd say the fujos themselves are to blame for the "yaoi is bad because it fetishises the poor gehs" becoming a thing in the first place. They have always acted smug about :optimistic:not seeing gender in true love:optimistic:, and bitch and moan about the media needing proper gay romance representation because they are such good allies. So when others, including the saintly homos they hold in such high esteem, began to catch on to their hypocrisy, many of the most vocal sjw ones began to poon out like flies. Note that not all of them shy away from getting off to yaoi, in fact even the pre-poon ones act loud and proud about liking dick-in-poo shit, claiming that anties are shaming their totally healthy female sexuality. It's just that their escapist fantasies eventually take over their lives.

Fujoshi and pooners are intertwined no matter how you look at it. The animu example you gave is at least 20 years old. Nowadays, BL avoids making the protagonists too feminine, they are usually brown or blue-haired guys with average or muscular builds. They are still explicitly feminised and forced to wear women's clothing, but now fujos can avoid the old joke about how despite their hatred of hetero romance, most of the mlm leads were basically women anyway.

Just as twink pooners now force themselves to act more masculine.

Yaoi and yuri are two of the most unhealthy genres to consume or produce. If a straight girl or guy is obsessed with homosexuals or lesbians, it's a sign to me that they have extreme problems with the way they view gender and the opposite sex. Gay porn for insecure heterosexuals is the sloppiest kind of self-indulgence. In a twisted way, I'd even call it a form of mental HRT. Not because it can actually turn someone into the opposite sex (this is also what connects it to hrt btw), but because it affirms the autistic loser who consumes it in their delusional belief that they understand and relate to the opposite sex far more than they do to their own. Basically a drug-addiction with a placebo effect.

In a good timeline, yaoi and yuri will be downgraded to the most niche underground thing if not just eradicated and all these women will finally admit to themselves that they just want better hetero porn instead of always hiding behind a male image.
 
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I'm genuinely surprised that, at least in my personal pooner safaris, that I've never encountered one that is interested in collecting and/or smoking tobacco pipes. It seems like the perfect nexus between "charmingly quirky" but low stakes and very traditionally masculine. Is it because it doesn't align with the modern soft boi image or is it because we're so immersed in clown world that smoking is suuuuper bad for you but dozens of invasive surgeries are totally A-ok?
 
I've never encountered one that is interested in collecting and/or smoking tobacco pipes
That's a kind of hobby their cis seme daddy must be into. The best case for a dood is collecting rainbow-colored vapes or forcing themselves to smoke sigs or pipes via skinwalking a certain guy. Tbh not everyone likes smelling like smoke or have lug cancer so I don't blame these women for not picking up smoking even after chopping off their tits. A little clarity in the depths of insanity.
 
and bitch and moan about the media needing proper gay romance representation because they are such good allies
You must be relatively young or came into knowledge of this all late because no. Not all of them were like that. A lot actually didn't like real homo activity:tm: in real life at all. And fully leaned into the fact a lot of it was entirely unrealistic (lmao I still remember coming across old LJ posts about the "height rule" and there is a funny comic poking fun at this all where a bunch of fujos are strapped in Clockwork Orange style being shown actual gay porn and being horrified). The stuff you're talking about was a newer gen thing and was largely because of the SJW-ification of fandom. Fujos left to their own devices just liked writing/reading deranged shit that just so happened to have two male characters in a pairing.
 
You must be relatively young or came into knowledge of this all late because no. Not all of them were like that. A lot actually didn't like real homo activity:tm: in real life at all. And fully leaned into the fact a lot of it was entirely unrealistic (lmao I still remember coming across old LJ posts about the "height rule" and there is a funny comic poking fun at this all where a bunch of fujos are strapped in Clockwork Orange style being shown actual gay porn and being horrified). The stuff you're talking about was a newer gen thing and was largely because of the SJW-ification of fandom. Fujos left to their own devices just liked writing/reading deranged shit that just so happened to have two male characters in a pairing.
Actually, I am aware of that. I even mentioned the comic in this thread. Their inner disgust with what gay men are really like doesn't take away from the fact that they've always acted like good old allies on social media. It's just that their virtue-signalling was begging for more attractive male actors to make out on screen, but they portrayed it as a gay persecution issue in the media and their porn fanwork as fighting against it so as not to come across as shallow. And now they are the gays being persecuted, lmao.

Idk maybe I'm young compared to the connesouirs in this thread. My knowledge of the fujoshi issue starts around 2014ish and so on, with Supernatural incest, insane shonen shippers and Sherlocked drama. But if you want to go deep enough, you can find traces of it waaaaay back, not just in western countries, but in Japan as well.

Yaoi was indeed a first step of the worst to come. It did start out as a small niche somewhere in second half of the last century but ended up as a biggest brainrot ever seen. The infected ones were coming out as bisexual and lesbians at first, then enbies and now heckin valid doodes. Kind of begs the question, what's next?
 
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POONER PANICS OVER POON PROLAPSE!

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While I’m more of a female anatomy enjoyer than expert, I’m pretty sure that a vagina doesn’t just suddenly decide to pop out of its hinges, so I’m reasonably sure it’s just a dumb chick doing dumb chick stuff.

Too much internet, anxiety. Probably psych drugs and cross sex hormones. You know the deal.

Anyways, couldn’t help but chuckle over the fact that instead of calling 911, this bright young girl decided to jump on Reddit and go: “HAAALP!!! MY INNIE HAS TURNED INTO AN OUTIE!!! WAT DO?!?”
 
Idk maybe I'm young compared to the connesouirs in this thread. My knowledge of the fujoshi issue starts around 2014ish and so on, with Supernatural incest, insane shonen shippers and Sherlocked drama. But if you want to go deep enough, you can find traces of it waaaaay back, not just in western countries, but in Japan as well.
The western side of things got started really in the 70s with fans of Star Trek and shit writing for and organizing fanzines. That was the purpose of such things back then. Because there wasn't any other way to share fanworks. Doujins and manga written by women was also a thing that got started back around that time as well. I'm sure there are some earlier examples but that was when the manga industry and ability to make fan stuff began to be an actual Thing. The two sort of got mushed together when internet became a thing. But yeah, I'm talking way, way before 2014. Real old internet lore type shit. Entire swaths of this stuff was just weird nerd girls writing weird stuff and had nothing to do with progressivism. And there was lots of debate even on whether or not the BL itself was gross and icky or not. You'd hardly be able to find conversations about that now. It's verboten. Modern politics is really what pushed a lot of this.

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I can see pelvic floor issues but I don't know how this pooner would prolapse without physical damage of a particular sort from very rough and prolonged penetration with something and/or being damaged from childbirth. She's hitting a lot of munchie clues for me. Ehlers is a common munchie pick. Pooners have a lot of overlap with being munchies in the same way troons have overlap with being pedophiles.
 
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The western side of things got started really in the 70s with fans of Star Trek and shit writing for and organizing fanzines. That was the purpose of such things back then. Because there wasn't any other way to share fanworks. Doujins and manga written by women was also a thing that got started back around that time as well. I'm sure there are some earlier examples but that was when the manga industry and ability to make fan stuff began to be an actual Thing. The two sort of got mushed together when internet became a thing. But yeah, I'm talking way, way before 2014. Real old internet lore type shit. Entire swaths of this stuff was just weird nerd girls writing weird stuff and had nothing to do with progressivism. And there was lots of debate even on whether or not the BL itself was gross and icky or not. You'd hardly be able to find conversations about that now. It's verboten. Modern politics is really what pushed a lot of this.

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I can see pelvic floor issues but I don't know how this pooner would prolapse without physical damage of a particular sort from very rough and prolonged penetration with something and/or being damaged from childbirth. She's hitting a lot of munchie clues for me. Ehlers is a common munchie pick. Pooners have a lot of overlap with being munchies in the same way troons have overlap with being pedophiles.
Probably got her ED diagnosis the same way she got her transgender diagnosis.

Too little parental interaction, anxiety and internet.

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POOR LIL DOOD! Lol

(Notice how instead of just offering her shoulder, or just not mentioning it, she’s all: “So… Yeah… If you put your head on my shoulder… I wouldn’t mind it? You know if you want to?”)
 
I'm genuinely surprised that, at least in my personal pooner safaris, that I've never encountered one that is interested in collecting and/or smoking tobacco pipes. It seems like the perfect nexus between "charmingly quirky" but low stakes and very traditionally masculine. Is it because it doesn't align with the modern soft boi image or is it because we're so immersed in clown world that smoking is suuuuper bad for you but dozens of invasive surgeries are totally A-ok?
Don’t let them find out that they can smoke cool things like marshmallow root and dried marigold instead of tobacco for an extra quirky vibe.
 
POONER PANICS OVER POON PROLAPSE!

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While I’m more of a female anatomy enjoyer than expert, I’m pretty sure that a vagina doesn’t just suddenly decide to pop out of its hinges, so I’m reasonably sure it’s just a dumb chick doing dumb chick stuff.

Too much internet, anxiety. Probably psych drugs and cross sex hormones. You know the deal.

Anyways, couldn’t help but chuckle over the fact that instead of calling 911, this bright young girl decided to jump on Reddit and go: “HAAALP!!! MY INNIE HAS TURNED INTO AN OUTIE!!! WAT DO?!?”
A tale as old as time amongst men.
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I remember my grandfather told me about seeing a gynecologist about his vaginal prolapse.
 
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