There is a Dark Age coming - ...and I feeeel fiiiine :)

[CheepMeds]

also relevant vid:

"What If We Collapsed Like Rome?" by Fire of Learning

tl;dw: another Industrial Age follows another Medieval Age

Thank you, I've seen that video, but it still was a cozy re-watch
Really puts into perspective what a cool historical lore there will be for those who survive after such a transformation. They will probably really hype up our way of life and will spread myths that if there were skyscrapers then there must have been flying vehicles afforded by those who worked there.



I find this timestamped last segment of the last episode of a Bronze Age Collapse series by Extra Credits to be very peculiar.

Mainly their optimistic but a little cautious message,
...in a video finished in 2017 - Three Years before the Covid crisis.

I'm aware that the video is mainly about art history viewed through a Menosphere lens.
However, the second half of the video is brimming with the positive vibe I wish to propagate with this thread!

 

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hay @Save the Loli

What does "neo-Malthusian" mean? Also I know technological progress IRL doesn't work like a "tech tree" like in Civilization - what I meant was that viable power production like solar and especially nuclear may need a bunch of industries to support them.

Nuclear energy would, but solar thermal? Nah, like I said, it's a technology that just needs a lens and a heat engine to work, neither of which are really complicated technology. But the economics of post-apocalyptic societies rarely gets explored outside of the usual doomer shit (maybe because anyone who is optimistic about the scenario doesn't believe there ever will be a post-apocalyptic world to begin with). Steel, concrete, and other industrial materials can be produced on an artisanal basis. Some African tribes produced surprisingly high-quality steel despite their otherwise primitive civilization.

Neo-Malthusian is the 1960s-onward era "our resources are running out because population/consumption/pollution" that the Rockefellers, Club of Rome, etc. promote centered around concepts like Peak Oil/Peak [Resource] and encourages population control. It's also repeatedly been proven wrong but that doesn't stop the elite from pushing it.

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I hope we get a fourth wave of ska before it all goes away

The Urge - Dark Age

Artist: The UrgeSong: Dark AgeAlbum: Bust Me Dat FortyYear: 1989

youtu.be

(Song is called Dark Age)

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Neo-Malthusian

I think that whether or not "Neo-Malthusian" is true, tyranny would still use it as an excuse to grab more power anyway.

Also what do you think the odds are of extinction? If interplanetary colonization is actually achieved, those odds go to near-zero for who-knows-how-long, and if interstellar travel is achieved, the species could become effectively immortal until proton decay.

(or even longer if no proton decay - although interstellar travel could be impossible for biological life unless FTL is possible)

another relevant speculative vid:

"TIMELAPSE OF THE FUTURE: A Journey to the End of Time (4K)" by melodysheep

 

[TheBigZee]

And is it possible to rebuild industrialization without fossil fuels? Like doesn't solar or nuclear need complex manufacturing?

Yeah, and probably a whole lot quicker than you'd think. The remnants of this society will be everywhere, and all you need to kickstart industry without fossil fuels is copper wire and a way to turn a magnet.

 

[Vibe_Guy]

Unless you're a second or third world denizen, you'll be fine.

Alot of Russians emigrated to my country and seem to be doing just fine.

Ukrainians left their country and are still making it.

I have a family that loves me very much, I am an adult with a job and a future. My country already had wars in the 90s and has stabilized enough to be called a home. No wars will be fought here for the foreseeable future.

Unless the nukes fall, I'll be fine.
I hope. I really do hope so.

 

[Inspector Rex]

Regardless of whether shit goes down or not, I'd recommend moving to a small town/getting some land, learning the basics of growing your own food/raising or hunting animals, and general self-reliance.
Worst case, you have a better, healthier lifestyle. Best case, you might make it through any collapse.

Eh, that's debatable. If it's something like corona lockdowns, then yeah, small cities and your own land is preferrable.

However, if it comes down to total infrastructural failure aka "the collapse", I wouldn't be so sure. Even in the failed states in Africa/Middle East big cities keep some resemblance of order.

 

[CheepMeds]

Unless you're a second or third world denizen, you'll be fine.

Alot of Russians emigrated to my country and seem to be doing just fine.

Ukrainians left their country and are still making it.

I have a family that loves me very much, I am an adult with a job and a future. My country already had wars in the 90s and has stabilized enough to be called a home. No wars will be fought here for the foreseeable future.

Unless the nukes fall, I'll be fine.
I hope. I really do hope so.

I'm in a somewhat similar boat (I assume). That is why I don't see a "societal collapse" as a hellscape that American cinema depicts it as, which is why I try to spread the word that even in many worst scenarios we can make it.

However, even though UN didn't help dick in the Bosnian wars (which I assume you were at least somewhat impacted by), it can't be underestimated how much the recovery of all Eastern Europe was propped up by the global economic system at it's height being open to trade.
Which might not be there next time around.

Even in the failed states in Africa/Middle East big cities keep some resemblance of order.

Genuinely wonder if that has a lot to do with the fact that cities are just easier to be supplied with foreign aid.
If that is the case, I wouldn't bet on cities, because in 1st world states it's usually the cities who are supplied by the rural parts.

 

[Inspector Rex]

If that is the case, I wouldn't bet on cities, because in 1st world states it's usually the cities who are supplied by the rural parts.

And they will be supplying them during the crisis, willing or not, even at their own expense. Look at WW1/WW2/Early USSR/Late Russian Empire.

Food can't be a leverage unless you have a motivated army to protect it.

 

[CheepMeds]

And they will be supplying them during the crisis, willing or not, even at their own expense. Look at WW1/WW2/Early USSR/Late Russian Empire.

Food can't be a leverage unless you have a motivated army to protect it.

That is a good point.
However, for family sized self-sufficiency I think you don't need something as big as a "farm" you just need a garden. I know people who grow pretty diverse and sufficient amount of food on no more than an acre of land.
It's just that you won't be first in line to get more the large-scale wheat products like flour and bread.
Meat products too, but I'm hopeful a chicken coup would be enough for protein needs. It seems to have worked for those same people.

 

[Frostnipped Todger]

Eh, that's debatable. If it's something like corona lockdowns, then yeah, small cities and your own land is preferrable.

However, if it comes down to total infrastructural failure aka "the collapse", I wouldn't be so sure. Even in the failed states in Africa/Middle East big cities keep some resemblance of order.

Where I live is a major agricultural area. If "the collapse" comes a lot of food won't be making it into the metro area.
If we are talking total social collapse, I can walk 30 minutes and be amongst cattle and sheep farms. A little further and there's commercial vegetable farms. While they won't be maintained as well as they could be, there's enough "wild" vegetables growing on the sides of the roads to know that they'd be somewhat productive.
Also (without knowing the exact numbers), I'd guess that the majority of people in my town are armed, and would act to stop looting, should that be an issue.
My perspective is purely based on my circumstances, Australia as a whole could easily be self sufficient in basics, my area certainly could.
If the power went out, it would suck, but we can use wood for heating and cooking (and realistically, it's not so cold that we would die without heating).
European countries are in a very different situation, with seriously cold winters, higher populations and "fun size" land areas. You may be correct that you'd be better off in a city, but I'd take my chances here, rather than on the 42nd floor of some high rise tower in Melbourne.

 

[CheepMeds]

Peter Zeeshan's (who I mentioned in my 3rd post) latest take on the state of Europe.
I believe it's very relevant to the next century's resource availability and world power composition.

 

[Little oak tree]

The "world" as something defined has always been falling apart, it's in an infinite process of decay and renewal and follows forces beyond our comprehension. It doesn't matter, it's just the void playing having shape and then dissolving again, for eternity

 

[draggs]

I read enough of this bullshit in the early 2000s about muh peak oil, there isn't an X big enough to express my doubt over this doomer tunnel vision

 

[ATI Escapee]

Watched the vids in the OP. Unrelated, but intetesting... There are very few traffic trackers on most kf pages. More on threads discussing products like clothes or tv shows. After the vids on pg 1 here, there were a couple hundred from google trying to watch me. I use Neeva


Kinda interesting

 

[CheepMeds]

I read enough of this bullshit in the early 2000s about muh peak oil, there isn't an X big enough to express my doubt over this doomer tunnel vision

The "Age" is really the word I should emphasize more in my "Dark Age" message.
I see it as a generation spanning phenomena, which is why in the "Whitepill" half of my original post I emphasize that if we are entering major decline we still have a lot of time to adjust to the historical trajectory.

Speaking about trajectory - I believe a lot will be clearer if we wait and compare how our standard of life changes between pre 2008 crisis, post 2008 crisis and after the coming depression.

How would you so far compare the standard of life of the average westerner between both the decades surrounding the 2008 crisis?
I personally hear that the disparity is a big reason why Millennials hold such a grudge against the Baby Boomers.

 

[Climaxing Sunset]

My hot take: demographic changes have caused the decline of civilizations.

High iq populations like Europeans and Asians are having lower birthrates whereas lower iq populations of the global south are having higher birthrates

This is part of the cause really

 

[CheepMeds]

My hot take: demographic changes have caused the decline of civilizations.

High iq populations like Europeans and Asians are having lower birthrates whereas lower iq populations of the global south are having higher birthrates

This is part of the cause really

In general there is a hard to break trend that the people who make the most productive contributions in sustaining our modern society are least reproductive.

However, I believe that the biggest cause of population decline is urban living. So if you care about the white ethnic makeup of Europe, I think there is a solid whitepill that most homogenous white areas in Europe are outside of cities. It's still not 100% assuredness, but no demographic breeds more than farmers.

 

[TV's Adam West]

POLICEMEN SWEAR TO GOD
LOVE SEEPING FROM THEIR GUNS

 

[jje100010001]

The end of the world brought to us by the accumlated sins of society:

Probably because there is no new green revolution saving us this time?

I feel like the Green Revolution was essentially the equivalent of redlining the agricultural engine, despite the damage it eventually does to the environment. Permanent nutrient depletion, water table decline, ecosystem collapse, these are not things that can easily bounce back, especially within our lifetimes.

My hot take: demographic changes have caused the decline of civilizations.

High iq populations like Europeans and Asians are having lower birthrates whereas lower iq populations of the global south are having higher birthrates

This is part of the cause really

Not even a hot take, places like Singapore are noted as being 'IQ shredders', that concentrate the brightest minds via extractive immigration while simultaneously discouraging them from reproducing by squeezing every last bit of producitivity out of them.

How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don’t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder.

Lee Kuan Yew drains your brains for short term gain | Bloody shovel

archived 11 Oct 2015 21:29:10 UTC

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Same goes for much of the West (no one can afford a house, marriages are dropping), with an additional spoonload of that special 'not-reproducing-to-save-the-planet' sauce heaped on by the powers to be.