There is a Dark Age coming - ...and I feeeel fiiiine :)

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Nigger you don't even have to go that far. Look at the Industry wide Coup they threw in 2013 and how video games have been almost exclusively dogshit across the board since then. after they kicked out all the talent and exclusively hire their friends now. The nepotism is off the charts.

How the hell did that happen anyway? It's like a switch just turned all the 2000s edgelords into something else.

 

[blur]

Something I’ve been thinking a lot lately.

As unlikable as this idea is for some here, I think modern left wing eco-zealots are gradually placing themselves in the same position that early Christians were in the dawn of Roman Empire.

Because the ecology movements have failed to construct a meta-narrative and since so much of the ideas are dependent upon Christian moral presuppositions it would be more accurate to consider ecoism a form of popular heresy like gnosticism. They even have their own Valentius figures within the various sects of christianity. As a religion in formation they would probably have a more fertile ground in the ancient faiths, the only modern one of note being hinduism.

I would not predict success for ecoism as a set of global religious values because it visibly exasperates the negative conditions of everyone, especially desperate people willing to make drastic changes to their value system. If it does gain currency it will be due to a top down implementation of the ideology rather than an organic (irony intended) formation.

If global environmental degradation does spiral to a point that modern society becomes too chaotic, they might acquire enough ammunition to create a strong archetypal religious meta-narrative.
It might go something like us destroying our “garden of Eden” through our “industrial sins” for which we’ll need to repent by subjugating ourselves to an ascetic way of life and planting trees.

Because of these archetypal similarities I think the memes might even greatly reshape the current state of Christianity. The memes just need to be framed in a way that goes something like "the last half millennia society has ate the fruit of forbidden knowledge (science)" or that "society has made a Faustian bargain with science and now has lost it’s soul (nature)".

Christianity is going to undergo some massive changes. I think your prediction of the ecological tenants being emphasized is correct. I also think there will be a growing focus upon gratitude towards the past and the efforts of others (similar to Confucianism), along with an implementation of ideals through technological means.

As skin suits proliferate value systems will be tested against reality in ways never before possible and technology will increasingly be used to abide by a system rather than merely come into glancing contact with it.

Skin Suit

• A person whose life is completely surveilled or manipulated by the society around him as opposed to a governing body. This person acts as a curator or as a second order content producer/consumer.
• An emergent social technology used for experimentation, entertainment, or exploration.
• An extrema of review consumption is to extend into all aspects of lifestyle and thus full spectrum surveillance of reviewer/curator.
• Anew means of social system dialogue that in the modern era began with reality TV and is still growing its consumer attention dominance in the form of parasocial relationships.
• A natural result of digital versions of the third place.

It might not seem like that through an American lens, but the US alliance between industrialists and Christians has really only been an alliance of convince and lip-service where one has supplied jobs for the other. It didn’t take that long for Pope to get buck-broken by the LGBTQ agenda, so I can see Gaia worshipers taking over next once the trannies die off from lack of medical care.

However, speaking of Gaia, Gaia-centric thinking is very matriarchal. It might be a compatibility issue with other Abrahamic religions. However, modernity is becoming aggressively matriarchal.

To me this really looks like setting of the stage for possibly millennia spanning religious paradigm shift.
Which might really suck.

I agree there will eventually be a huge shift in religious values, but I doubt any current system of thought or philosophy will exist beyond that point. Postmodernism and its dependents are too unstable to create anything of permanence and no modern philosophy is able to create convincing arguments to questions that its own assumptions give rise to.

Should there be a change in religious views, it will be proceeded by a dramatic break from all the modern soul's presuppositions. The thought process of the new man will be utterly alien to us. The changes in technology and the tectonic shifting in attitudes towards its development point to this. Maybe the future man will have more in common with a Thomastic monk than a university professor.

I think we are in for a wild ride shortly as completely new value systems wash over the mainstream and views that are common now are suddenly wiped out. The LGBT narratives are proof that fundamental values can change virtually over night. In reference to the unmoored man: "they take up whatever is fashionable."

As the elite continue to fracture and divide in their ongoing power struggles things are going to get weird. Very weird.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Those rebellions were 100% manufactured by the dept. of state, alphabet agencies and their loyal lapdogs in tech.

I agree, but that it still mobilised people. Every revolt in history is manufactured by some group.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

As an aside, I should point out your line about 'watching the world burn' is a bit of a misnomer given you and probably everyone you know will be burning painfully and horrifically along with it, not leisurely sipping frou-frou boat drinks from the veranda.

Some men (and a few women) thrive in chaotic times.

 

[The Internet Dick]

Some men (and a few women) thrive in chaotic times.

We'd all like to think we'd be Lords of the Wasteland, but the reality of it would likely play out a bit differently. North Korea had a terrible famine a few decades ago and the starving masses were reportedly reduced to stripping and eating the bark of trees and cannibalizing their own children. More recently, Venezuelans were eating family pets until they nearly depopulated the dog and cat population of that country while Maduro was filmed lovingly kissing a bar of gold while partying with his cronies.

I don't think most Westerners truly understand how bad bad can get. If by thrive you mean not horribly die right away, then sure, okay: thrive.

 

[BirdUp]

stop overplaying extinction rebellion: their goals are wishywashy and their ranks are full of cookiecutter activists who preach nonviolence and swarm to anything aimless enough

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

It's not letting me quote @blur, but I'd just like to expound on what they said by saying that the most likely origin of the Antichrist is going to be from a man-made "virgin birth" that can thereafter be endorsed as a leader of the world - a world that at that point would be quite desperate for something and someone to follow at any cost.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

We'd all like to think we'd be Lords of the Wasteland, but the reality of it would likely play out a bit differently. North Korea had a terrible famine a few decades ago and the starving masses were reportedly reduced to stripping and eating the bark of trees and cannibalizing their own children. More recently, Venezuelans were eating family pets until they nearly depopulated the dog and cat population of that country while Maduro was filmed lovingly kissing a bar of gold while partying with his cronies.

I don't think most Westerners truly understand how bad bad can get. If by thrive you mean not horribly die right away, then sure, okay: thrive.

I mean, I'm pretty sure most of us will die. That's a given. I wonder if sometimes people crave disruption to their lives since they're plain bored/tired of a boring life.
One should be thankful to live in uninteresting times.

We'd all like to think we'd be Lords of the Wasteland,

I just want to be Lord of the local Lockeroom.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

I mean, I'm pretty sure most of us will die. That's a given. I wonder if sometimes people crave disruption to their lives since they're plain bored/tired of a boring life.
One should be thankful to live in uninteresting times.

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation. From the desperate city you go into the desperate country, and have to console yourself with the bravery of minks and muskrats. A stereotyped but unconscious despair is concealed even under what are called the games and amusements of mankind. There is no play in them, for this comes after work. But it is a characteristic of wisdom not to do desperate things."

--Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience and Other Essays.

 

[jje100010001]

Interesting dooming here, going back to peak oil and the overall energy limits of the modern world:

The economy is moving from a tailwind pushing it along to a headwind holding it back​

Posted on December 16, 2022 by Gail Tverberg

The problem is hitting limits in the extraction of fossil fuels

We know that historically, many economies around the world have collapsed. We also know that there is a physics reason why this happens. Growing economies require a growing supply of energy to keep up with a growing population. At some point, the energy supply and other resource needs cannot grow rapidly enough to keep up with population growth. When this happens, economies tend to collapse.

In their book Secular Cycles, researchers Peter Turchin and Sergey Nefedov found that economies tend go through four distinct phases in each cycle, with each stage lasting for quite a few years:

1. Growth
2. Stagflation
3. Crisis
4. Inter-cycle

Based on my own analysis, the world economy was in the Growth Stage for much of the time between the Industrial Revolution and 1973. In late 1973, oil prices spiked, and the world was put on notice that the energy supply could not continue rising as rapidly as in the past. Between 1973 and 2018, the world economy was in the Stagflation Stage. Based on current data, the world economy seems to have entered the Crisis Stage about 2018. This is the reason for saying that headwinds are beginning to hold the economy back in the title of this article .

In this post, I show evidence that the economy is reaching energy limits. In the last section, I explain how my view differs from the standard narrative, which says that there is almost an unlimited amount of fossil fuels available to burn, if we choose to utilize these fossil fuels. According to this view, humans can prevent climate change by voluntarily moving away from fossil fuels.

The standard narrative proposes a reasonable plan for citizens of parts of the world without adequate fossil fuels (cut back on buying fossil fuels), but without telling citizens what the real problem is. The standard narrative also gives the impression that there is a near-term clean energy alternative. In my opinion, this is wishful thinking for the reasons I describe in Sections [6] and [7]. Section [2] also sheds light on the reasonableness of moving to renewable energy.

[...]

In my opinion, our primary energy concern should be food production and transport. Diesel, made from oil, is the major fuel for agriculture. It will be decades before farming machinery and transport of food can be changed over to electricity, assuming this can be done at all. Until this happens, electricity’s role in getting food to the shelves of grocery stores will be limited.

Solar energy comes primarily in the summer but, unfortunately, in many places, the big need for heat energy is in the winter. People in Europe, with their many wind turbines and solar panels, are worried about possibly freezing in the dark this winter if natural gas supplies prove inadequate. We don’t have batteries for storing solar or wind energy for months on end, so they cannot be counted on for winter heat.

Wind and solar are made and transported using fossil fuels. They cannot last any longer than today’s fossil fuel industry. In fact, roads and transmission lines require fossil fuels to continue. The whole system is likely to go down at approximately the same time.

It seems to me that the main reason why we hear so much about intermittent wind and solar is because there needs to be a hopeful narrative for politicians to provide to voters, and for educators to provide to students. Otherwise, the situation shown on Figure 9 looks grim. The fact that fossil fuel prices have been spiking in 2022 and regulators are trying to get these prices back down again is testimony to the fact that we are running short of cheap-to-produce fossil fuel energy.

[7] The incorrect narrative provided by mainstream media (MSM) is that climate change is our worst problem. To lessen this problem, citizens need to move quickly away from fossil fuels and transition to renewables. The real narrative is that we are running short of fossil fuels that can be profitably extracted, and renewables are not adequate substitutes. However, this narrative is too worrisome for most people to handle.

I expect most readers will say, your view can’t be right. We don’t read this story in the news. All we hear about is climate change and the need to reduce fossil fuel usage to prevent climate change.

In many ways, the narrative presented by MSM is less frightening to the public than a narrative in which fuels are already being stretched too thin. The MSM narrative sounds like a situation that we can perhaps live with and work around. It sounds like careers that people study for today will be useful in the future. It also sounds like homes, cars and factories built today will be useful in the future.

One major difference in the MSM view, relative to my view, is with respect to the amounts of fossil fuels that can be extracted. The standard narrative says we will extract all the fossil fuels that we have the technology to extract unless we make a concerted effort not to extract these fuels. For this to happen, demand (a favorite word of economists) must keep rising to keep prices high enough for businesses to want to continue extraction from fields plagued by depletion.

History shows that when an economy approaches limits, what tends to happen is that demand tends to fall too low. This happens because the physics of the way the economy works: Wage and wealth disparities tend to spike as energy resources are increasingly stretched thin. In fact, the great wealth of the top 1%, relative to that of the remaining 99%, is a major problem in the world today. When increasing wage and wealth disparity occurs, a growing number of poor workers find themselves with inadequate wages to buy food, homes, cars and other goods made with commodities, including oil.

We are already at fossil fuel limits; the popular narrative hides this

This post is an overview post, explaining how the real world fossil fuel energy can be far too low for rising population, but the popular narrative can be limited to the need to cut back fossil fuel use, to prevent climate change. The post includes reasons why a transition to wind and solar...

ourfiniteworld.com

Annual energy consumption per head (megajoules) in England and Wales 1561-70 to 1850-9 and in Italy 1861-70.

From the post, an interesting implication of a collapse considering the amount of energy needed to enter the Industrial Revolution- many of these historical deposits are now depleted- in the case of a total collapse, would the Industrial Revolution need to be restarted elsewhere in the world?

Likewise, if even reaching lower-energy deposits requires other inputs of higher-energy inputs (i.e. petroleum used in the operation of a coal mine), would many energy sources be out of the reach of a majority of the world, perhaps only accessible through massive human labor and sacrifice, like in the cobalt pits of Central Africa?

 

[CheepMeds]

Suddenly I'm very appreciative to be living where there are long cold snowy winters.

 

[CheepMeds]

Just an interesting hub of different doomer rabbit holes that I came across.
Though the order of these can be argued about.

 

[CheepMeds]

 

[CheepMeds]

>Dark Age

 

[cybertoaster]

But the point is that their message is that the ecological issue is as bad as being a "nigerian whose entire village was razed by shell" to be more politically effective weather that is overexaggerated or not.

Its not, there's no comparison between whats happening in the first world and getting your entire town turned into a chemical dump.

I agree, but that it still mobilised people. Every revolt in history is manufactured by some group.

No, its not the same because the ones doing the manufacturing in this case don't believe in it. The commie elite did believe in communism, even Gorbachov believed in communist until the very end when Yeltsin went around him and called for the end of the USSR.

These protests are manufactured by billionaires who don't give a fuck about polluting or resource extraction/stealing from nations. They don't believe in this, they keep using their cruise-sized yatchs and flying in private jets while laughing at the plebs protesting below, see Gates as the most recent example. Worse part is the plebs defending this shit, more pathetic than libertarians shilling for the Koch brothers back in the day.

We'd all like to think we'd be Lords of the Wasteland, but the reality of it would likely play out a bit differently. North Korea had a terrible famine a few decades ago and the starving masses were reportedly reduced to stripping and eating the bark of trees and cannibalizing their own children. More recently, Venezuelans were eating family pets until they nearly depopulated the dog and cat population of that country while Maduro was filmed lovingly kissing a bar of gold while partying with his cronies.

I don't think most Westerners truly understand how bad bad can get. If by thrive you mean not horribly die right away, then sure, okay: thrive.

I think we are already entering a period of stagnation similar to that of the USSR, which then will be followed by a slow but steady decline of all socioeconomical metrics.

Latest example I've come across of how even tech boomer billionaires are investing in a collapsing future.

Yes, they (especially the guest) do use a lot of gay nu-speak, but I believe the whole context of the message is relevant.

Funny how it basically starts blaming "techbros" (talk about a loaded term) for everything and not be willing to fix shit they might not even be responsible for (let alone able to fix) but also with their comment about "getting away from other people, women" (again, buzzwords, muh wammen, obsolete terms like 'white flight' as if there werent tons of non-white billionaires with the same mentality) they are implying the world is actually collapsing because of shitlib bullshit and not the techbros, quite the freudian slip really.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

No, its not the same because the ones doing the manufacturing in this case don't believe in it. The commie elite did believe in communism, even Gorbachov believed in communist until the very end

He wasn't a revolutionary. He is more like the Rowling type neoliberal, who are true believers of a cause in an age where their project is already dead.

 

[melty]

Were the dark ages even really that bad? Maybe they were just a reaction to 5th century faggotry and depravity in which case I sympathize.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

Were the dark ages even really that bad? Maybe they were just a reaction to 5th century faggotry and depravity in which case I sympathize.

The so-called "Dark Age" period between 500 - 1500 AD is a complete misnomer that has (thankfully) been disproven time and again.

 

[CheepMeds]

Were the dark ages even really that bad? Maybe they were just a reaction to 5th century faggotry and depravity in which case I sympathize.

Historians dislike that term for a reason.
As @Irrational Exuberance points out - It was a long time period. It had it's pros and cons with it's own winners and losers. Historians prefer the term medieval period for this reason.
I do use that term mostly in the layman's way for this thread too. However, I do bet that Globalism is going in the way of Roman empire for many reasons that were talked about in the thread, but what I believe will keep us away from possibly reaching the same material heights again will mostly be the EROEI collapse.

I think we are already entering a period of stagnation similar to that of the USSR, which then will be followed by a slow but steady decline of all socioeconomical metrics.
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Well, while I started this thread with the proposal that it will most likely be a slow decline. I would not rule out huge disruptive incidents as a mere prepper fantasy. We grew really fast and high so it's not that unreasonable to think that we might fall fast and low too. I think it's gonna be mostly a decades spanning decline, but there will be pretty big life upturning events.
For example a Chinese war in Pacific Asia. If that happens too soon, I'm confident we will see all computer tech shooting up like 5x in price and a very huge domino effect down the year.

Funny how it basically starts blaming "techbros" (talk about a loaded term) for everything and not be willing to fix shit they might not even be responsible for (let alone able to fix) but also with their comment about "getting away from other people, women" (again, buzzwords, muh wammen, obsolete terms like 'white flight' as if there werent tons of non-white billionaires with the same mentality) they are implying the world is actually collapsing because of shitlib bullshit and not the techbros, quite the freudian slip really.

I know. You get a lot of the same faggottry on r/collapse. The doomer mindset covers the whole political spectrum esspecially the extremes. They mostly express it in the form of seething that their particular ideology didn't get to fix the world.
It's not just Natsocs complaining that the "good guys" lost WWII. I have seen threads on r/collapse how "after the fall, it's our duty to drop all prejudice to remake the world in a more inclusive form"

Still, the sentiment stands, millionaires and billionaires are prepping for the worst.

 

[Irrational Exuberance]

Still, the sentiment stands, millionaires and billionaires are prepping for the worst.

I can't imagine it'll be made anywhere near as easy as in World War Z, but I'm hoping that the 4chan autists (and kiwis) can unite to track down the location of these bunkers and hideaways and storm them en masse.