🐱 Tim Burton’s Racist Comments Loom Over Otherwise Great Casting for Netflix’s ‘Wednesday’

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From insisting he was never influenced (even indirectly) by major art movements to downplaying the Jewish cultural elements of his works, director Tim Burton has done and said a number of questionable things in his long film career. However, his comments about Black and brown people not fitting his aesthetic was the bluntest and most recent of these … choices. In a 2016 interview with Bustle, he pretended like calls for diversity ware new and tried to use the ’70s genre of blaxploitation (a genre created in spite of people like Burton) as a shield for his own mono-racial casting.


Something that hurts more than this comment is that many people of color who’ve dipped their toes in the alt aesthetic (maybe under another name like “emo” or “goth”) in their youth have heard versions of this justification among friends and peers who definitely made a Tim Burton movie their entire aesthetic. (My money’s on The Nightmare Before Christmas.) On the other end of the spectrum, there’s family and intra-community pushback that Tim Burton’s work is something along the lines of “white people shit.” Burton’s comments echoed all of that.

“What about [this token character of color]?”​

Some defended his comics with a flurry of equally (if not worse) racist statements and sentiments, but others took this as a moment to defend his employment of key Black roles. Let’s look at this and widen it to visible people of color. The supporting characters that come to mind are Billy Dee Williams in Batman (1989), Deep Roy in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory(2005), and Nico Parker in Dumbo (2019). Roy plays an army of happy brown servants, and Parker would not have been cast if she were darker-skinned or had non-famous parents (that is, Ol Parker and Thandiwe Newton). Instead of just wanting to be more inclusive in Batman, Burton intended to use Williams’ race to dramatize the two sides of Harvey Dent, and considering how crassly Burton talks about race, I’m glad that was scrapped for the following movie.

The only leading roles are of two Black men as villains: Samuel L. Jackson in Miss Peregrine’s Home for Peculiar Childern (2016) and Ken Page’s voice in A Nightmare Before Christmas (1993). Page played a character (Oogie Boogey) named after a Black slur, inspired by the first music frontman Cab Calloway, and with personality traits of loving gumbo made of bugs, gambling, and jazz. Oogie Boogey is one of the first of many instances of Burton’s relationship with fatphobic characters being portrayed as greedy and not to be trusted.

Screenwriter Caroline Thomspon told Insider in 2020 that she recognized the issues with Page’s character at the time, but Burton dismissed her as being “oversensitive.” (Something he echoed in that interview over 20 years later when he said “politically correct.”)

In over 26 features films of which he was the director, producer, and writer (almost always both of the first two) that’s it for the main and supporting characters of color. People making jokes that he “just casts the same few people” ignore how those same people only amount to like four people, and four people don’t make a movie.

Now, a few years later (and after several critical failures, I might add), Burton is back and making his TV directorial debut with Netflix’s take on Wednesday Addams, which stars several Latinx leads. Burton aside, this is a reaffirmation of a Latinx presence on her father’s (Gomez) side. The original cartoon was a Spanish caricature, but the major big screen adaptations have featured Puerto Rican (Raul Julia in The Addams Family movies) and Guatemalan/Cuban (Oscar Issac in animated The Addams Family) actors. Now, Jenny Ortega will take on the role of Wednesday with her father, played by the iconic Luis Guzmán.

Because Burton’s made it clear where he stands, it’s hard not to see this casting as a shield—possibly a shield for Netflix, too, since they continue to cancel Latinx shows. Also, in the teaser trailer, we already see Ortega with seemingly lightened skin (probably through makeup and post). It’s hard to say for sure what was done, but I’m just going to side-eye it because Burton’s already made his thoughts on non-white people and “ethnic origins” in his projects pretty clear:



Despite Wednesday coming from a multi-ethnic family (which is a running homage to the original intention of how the family was designed), like much of his other works, Burton will probably (in his eyes) “make up for” this by making sure to have them written and staged as Eurocentric as possible, as he’s done for many other stories in the past.

People can grow, but doubling your cast of people of color on one project with nothing else to show you’ve made progress as a person makes me think you will continue to tokenize your actors instead of seeing them as your creative peers. For a streaming service that’s very buddy-buddy with the concept of a paper bag test (among many other issues), this shouldn’t be surprising but nonetheless disappointing. As a fan of Ortega, Ricci, and the character as a whole, I want this to be good, and I want Burton to progress past thinking tales about underdogs and weirdos are stories for and about white people. Even if he shed his racism, xenophobia, and fatphobia, Burton would not have the range to do anything other than making something visually look like he had a hand in it, let alone tell a story with a diverse cast.
 
Not really sure it necessarily has anything to do with Johnny Depp.

It's from a site called the Mary Sue, the word 'Latinx' is in it, this is the author's bio:


And the lady with the 'where are the Jews' video looks like this:
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She's a lot more reasonable than she looks to be fair, but it legit ended up devolving into "why don't you talk more about the Nazis, Tim??"
she got that Spongebob Squarepants jawline
 
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Not really sure it necessarily has anything to do with Johnny Depp.

It's from a site called the Mary Sue, the word 'Latinx' is in it, this is the author's bio:


And the lady with the 'where are the Jews' video looks like this:
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She's a lot more reasonable than she looks to be fair, but it legit ended up devolving into "why don't you talk more about the Nazis, Tim??"

What the fuck is that thing? What is it with liberals and Innsmouth immigrants?


I call shenanigans on this article, aside from Henry Cavill, most of Netflix show casting is fucking garbage tier.

I'm astounded Cavill hasn't been canceled yet. He's white, upper class, nonpolitical, and not related to any Pedowood elite. While he did lose out on Superman so they could make Supernigger, he's still making movies with bag name directors.
 
Who did Tim Burton piss off lately? Unless they're still angry about Johnny Depp and are going are Burton because he more than likely supports his friend.
I get where you're coming from, but this is Leftist SJWs we're talking about. They tend to be erratic every now and then when it comes to whom they'll go after next.
 
Gomez isn't Latino, it's Hispanic. Someone can have their origins be Spanird and have little if any Latino Blood. Hell, I know Hispanics that have been in California since before it became a state that take advantage of Mexicans being PoCs while ensuring their blood stays as pure as possible. And even in Latino families it's possible for the kids to be of different shades from white skin to light brown since Latinos have a diverse ethnic ancestry in most situations

Agreed, I always felt Gomez was essentially a White Hispanic, of both Anglo (hence his surname) and European Spaniard blood. .

In that spergy headcanon of mine, his roots can be traced back to Castilian gentry from Spanish Colonial-era Louisiana, explaining his fascination with French culture.
 
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The Addams Family were explicitly meant as a family of old money Blue-Bloods with a very WASP surname (tbh, it's the same surname as their creator) but Gomez being explicitly Latino was definitely something that popped up as time went on.
I would bet some money that most of the 'Gomez is Latino" comes from the Adams Family movie where Raul Julia played him. People take it as a gospel that confirms that Gomez is Latino instead of "they hired the best actor for the part, racial background be dammed".

Speaking of Mars Attacks and black characters in Tim Burton movies, why are we forgetting how awesome Jim Brown was in that movie? Him boxing a Martian was hilarious.
>No weapons! No tricks! Just you and me! Byron Williams! The heavyweight champion of the world!

That was a badass line and a highlight from that great movie.
 
This article...I dont know how I feel about it. I never once attributed Oogie Boogey to a black, fat character. He's a sack of bugs so you just assume he's not fat but... He's a fucking burlap sack!

The whole idea Burton was racist never occured to me because his movies are so fantastic and story-based it doesn't really matter what their races are. I guess it IS pretty weird that they all involve white people exclusively. I thought Burton was British cause everyone of his movies has people with British accent but apparently he was born and grew up in California. It's really odd because you know he was exposed to other cultures, but he meticulously chooses not to involve them in his films because of his obsession with the aesthetic of dead-eyed pale white people.

I have never felt like he was racist but now I feel like I have to rewatch his movies to see what the article-writer means.

And diversity is now so cliche. Funny we don't see lots of hispanic actors/actress.
You dont see many hispanic actors because you only watch English television. Spanish have their own channels and their own tv shows.

Black American people are the only group who dont have their own media so they latch onto White American media.

In every other part of the world, European whites have their own television, Mexicans and other Latin American countries have their own Hollywood and channels, Africans have their own television, Russians have their own television, Indians have their own Hollywood, Japanese have their own broadcasting networks, etc.

The whole idea of an "inclusive Hollywood" is exclusive to the United States and these American studios. Black Americans are disenfranchised, alienated from any real culture alongside White Americans. They're all descendants of immigrants and simply live like 56% cattle.
 
DAS RIGHT TIM BURTON Why aint these characters that are supposed to be deathly pale as the driven snow the deepest darkest shade of Nubian black? You fucking racist!
 
Tim Burton is literally autistic (albeit mild enough to function) which I honestly think is why certain things keep popping up in his movies.

He's probably got some weird autistic special interests in old-school 1980's era Goth culture and aesthetics as well as campy 1950's/1960's Americana, old-timey British aesthetics, and Johnny Depp.
 
I would bet some money that most of the 'Gomez is Latino" comes from the Adams Family movie where Raul Julia played him. People take it as a gospel that confirms that Gomez is Latino instead of "they hired the best actor for the part, racial background be dammed".


>No weapons! No tricks! Just you and me! Byron Williams! The heavyweight champion of the world!

That was a badass line and a highlight from that great movie.
the name plays a big part too, but IIRC John Astin said he came up with the name as sort of a homage to William Tecumseh Sherman or other big guys like him, people forget that a weird trend was giving your children ethnic names of people you respect, Benito Mussolini is named after a very dark skinned native american. Tupac is another native revolutionary, who a more famous man got named after.

the fact that its a last name should also tell you its a weird naming convention.
Black American people are the only group who dont have their own media so they latch onto White American media.

In every other part of the world, European whites have their own television, Mexicans and other Latin American countries have their own Hollywood and channels, Africans have their own television, Russians have their own television, Indians have their own Hollywood, Japanese have their own broadcasting networks, etc.

The whole idea of an "inclusive Hollywood" is exclusive to the United States and these American studios. Black Americans are disenfranchised, alienated from any real culture alongside White Americans. They're all descendants of immigrants and simply live like 56% cattle.
thats only true on a national scale, blacks have a fuckload of their own media, and basically had a near monopoly on entertainment outside of LA/NYC. I know Chicago and DC and Baltimore and Philly and every major city south of the Mason-Dixon, the blacks rule the comedy club circuit and theater circuit. ever since white flight and before, blacks got a hold on entertainment in the big cities. black comedians get TV credits and paid gigs way sooner than white comedians, and can "go pro" a lot sooner because of it. Mind you blacks will have a lower max income, but they end up getting to a level where they do get paid way sooner, and most of that is because of how blacks will spend on entertainment vs whites irregardless of financial situation. But still you had/have current legendary comedians like John Mulaney who had to flee to NYC to actually make a living doing comedy because he could never make a fucking dime in Chicago playing white rooms and not get booked in black rooms.

meanwhile Lil Rel and Dave Chappelle and Eddie Murphy and tons of blacks you don't know who never had to work a real job because they were doing paid spots since they were in school. Obviously BET and other channels and a lot of black people investing in their community is a big part of that, but you can't say blacks don't have their own media; there's an entire ecosystem of media that you never see because its not part of your culture, same with gays or Chicanos.

Especially film, tyler perry is semi-well known but people forget how extremely well accompished he is on the production side, a modern day Jerry Lewis in that respect. He made 2 major films a year (director/star/write/produce) for about a decade before switching to writing every tv show on OWN. but seriously, Taikia (david cohen) can direct thor 3 and become a beloved part of white culture because he made a low budget film hipsters loved, but there are plenty of blacks making 2 films with real budgets every year that you wouldn't even recognize, there is a ceiling there but its a lot higher than you think, the same way you could be the biggest soap opera star and no one knows who the fuck you are.

people don't realize how big black entertainment really is but its only because its not as advertised or its not advertised to your demo, the main reason for the grievance culture is 1.it works and 2. it helps give their people more jobs, 3. plenty of black upper class that want to break through the ceiling or assimilated too much. imagine being told you can only associating with jesus freaks that dropped out of middle school after you finish college, you'd be pissed off at the system too.
 
I don't know, even in the 90s, you shouldn't have said shit stuff like this. If you don't think blacks or browns fit in your films, that's fine but Burton should remember that he has a global audience.
I can tell you for a fact that beaners give 0 fucks they're not represented in Burton's films.
Every shit-skin I know who likes Burton's films like em for their goth-ish elements, and they know darkskins have no place in those films the same way snow roaches have no place in a BET music video.
 
A black goth doesn't work visually and Burton is a visual director.
Gothic isnt about pale skin, it's just fashion and personality. The mixture of archaic accessories, grim themes, and chic fashion is what creates the goth aesthetic. Black people can pull it off just fine, especially Caribbean Black individuals as Voodoo portrayal is already just "goth" but colorful lol.

If you meant literal Gothic as in the East Germanic culture, then yeah probably not.

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I don't know, even in the 90s, you shouldn't have said shit stuff like this. If you don't think blacks or browns fit in your films, that's fine but Burton should remember that he has a global audience.
I'm having flashbacks to when Clint Eastwood Directed and Produced two Side by Side War Movies. Letters From Iwo Jima and Flags of Our Fathers. These were two movies about the same WW2 Battle told from each perspective. Brilliant movies, especially Letters From Iwo Jima. But the Hollywood Press Mafia got all up in Clint's business regarding "Why aren't there any Black People in these movies!!!???" And somehow could not grasp the rather plain answer "Because there were no Black People in this battle". and promptly fired off a series of "There MIGHT Have Been!" and "Well then you should be making a movie with Black People in it and not this one!!!"

As Tim has clearly discovered, there is no pleasing these people, so Fuck Em.
 
And his comments are wrong because.....?
His aesthetic was always full of people with pale white skin, the kind you get when you never leave your house.
The pale skin works well with black clothing they wear, it's visually interesting.
A black goth doesn't work visually and Burton is a visual director.
These same people that complain about lack of inclusion and racism are asking for Burton to use literal blackface in his films.
 
Gothic isnt about pale skin, it's just fashion and personality. The mixture of archaic accessories, grim themes, and chic fashion is what creates the goth aesthetic. Black people can pull it off just fine, especially Caribbean Black individuals as Voodoo portrayal is already just "goth" but colorful lol.

If you meant literal Gothic as in the East Germanic culture, then yeah probably not.

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Gothic is White European.

 
Tim Burton is literally autistic (albeit mild enough to function) which I honestly think is why certain things keep popping up in his movies.

He's probably got some weird autistic special interests in old-school 1980's era Goth culture and aesthetics as well as campy 1950's/1960's Americana, old-timey British aesthetics, and Johnny Depp.
Now these people are literally being ableist. How long before we have an unofficial Hayes Code involving diversity and typecasting in films?
 
I don't know, even in the 90s, you shouldn't have said shit stuff like this. If you don't think blacks or browns fit in your films, that's fine but Burton should remember that he has a global audience.
Who gives a fuck if he has a global audience, what difference does that make?
 
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