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I love it when they eat each other.
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Never, NEVER do these men who are really real women so much as consider adopting parts of the female stereotype like being the care giver or doing the scut work or learning to listen. Nope. It's just "How can I be the fuck toy of my dreams? Carve me up. Dress me up. Paint me up. Or I'll blame you when I kill myself."
Yes, I am Capt. Obvious, obviously.
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What do you do when you're having a bad day at work?
Think about your family?
Dream about retirement?
How about ranting to a customer that you're alone while transitioning, and deciding that you want to be a prostitute?
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Think about your family?
Dream about retirement?
How about ranting to a customer that you're alone while transitioning, and deciding that you want to be a prostitute?
Link | Archive
I yelled at a customer today (self.MtF)
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I woke up for my 9:30 to 5 after being on a shift that end 10pm yesterday so I only got 4 hours sleep I, we were so busy after we still got stakes of people I ended up with a guy booking 5 for one movie 5 tickets for the different movies at different times and got it wrong once then he starts yelling I got it wrong twice and throws all five tickets at the table and yells “if you can’t work a register then you shouldn’t have this job and all i see was red and couldn’t hold back i said shut the fuck up im so fucking tired after he left I started crying realizing no one was waiting at home for me and it broke me cause I’m Barely making it in life alone almost all my money goes to rent and completely Alone transitioning, I feel like have no control over my life
I’ve decided I want to start private sex work to have any kind of control over my life and feel that loneliness with money or sex I know it can be dangerous but I want my life to matter to someone I want my femininity to be affirmed instead feeling alienated from women
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I woke up for my 9:30 to 5 after being on a shift that end 10pm yesterday so I only got 4 hours sleep I, we were so busy after we still got stakes of people I ended up with a guy booking 5 for one movie 5 tickets for the different movies at different times and got it wrong once then he starts yelling I got it wrong twice and throws all five tickets at the table and yells “if you can’t work a register then you shouldn’t have this job and all i see was red and couldn’t hold back i said shut the fuck up im so fucking tired after he left I started crying realizing no one was waiting at home for me and it broke me cause I’m Barely making it in life alone almost all my money goes to rent and completely Alone transitioning, I feel like have no control over my life
I’ve decided I want to start private sex work to have any kind of control over my life and feel that loneliness with money or sex I know it can be dangerous but I want my life to matter to someone I want my femininity to be affirmed instead feeling alienated from women
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"Queer" is an attempt to erase same-sex attraction and get lesbians to suck the girl dick. (And gay dudes to try vagina, but it's mostly AGPs trying to fuck lesbians)"Queer" used to be the n-word for homosexuals.
Now it's an OK self designation for anyone who tries to be edgy or non-standard.
It has no definite behavioral definition.
One can be cis het and still be "queer" meaning "cool".
Trust-your-feelings department.
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I am late and homosexual to the conversation but trannies have obviously been around forever. Hence the Biblical admonishment against crossing - the rule exists because trannies existed.
There is a relatively well-known work from the late 1800s called Psychopathis Sexualis which documents all kinds of psychosexual mental illnesses. If you want to read about old timey troons, you’ll want to skip ahead to page number 200 (or 221 of the document, the printed page number doesn’t match the document page numbers)
It is well worth reading this document, I think most Farmers would actually enjoy it.
First they talk about some historical/ethnographic incidences of troopers, namely some point in Scythian history, followed by Native Americans
This person had a very long and thorough story. He provided a brief summary here for convenience. Molimen is referring to the period or menstruation so he had period delusion we see so many trannies here fixated on.
Next one sounds like a gigahon. The townspeople aren’t having it!
Next one reminds me a lot of a male Pixyteri. He would absolutely have a thread if he were alive today.
In case you thought Pooners didn’t exist in the 1800s:
Also worth a watch, the story of Einar Wegener/Lili Elbe who was mentioned a few times.
Lili Elbe died in 1931 so this was happening in the 1920s.
These people have always existed but of course that does not mean that they’re valid. It’s a mental illness. However it also seems that during certain historical/cultural cycles, it weasels its way out of the insane asylum (probably closer to the end of a civilization cycle, sad to say!).
In more recent news, comics diversity hire Mags Visaggio is going to get the bottom surgery soon. This’s is an L waiting to happen.
There is a relatively well-known work from the late 1800s called Psychopathis Sexualis which documents all kinds of psychosexual mental illnesses. If you want to read about old timey troons, you’ll want to skip ahead to page number 200 (or 221 of the document, the printed page number doesn’t match the document page numbers)
It is well worth reading this document, I think most Farmers would actually enjoy it.
First they talk about some historical/ethnographic incidences of troopers, namely some point in Scythian history, followed by Native Americans
This person had a very long and thorough story. He provided a brief summary here for convenience. Molimen is referring to the period or menstruation so he had period delusion we see so many trannies here fixated on.
Next one sounds like a gigahon. The townspeople aren’t having it!
Next one reminds me a lot of a male Pixyteri. He would absolutely have a thread if he were alive today.
In case you thought Pooners didn’t exist in the 1800s:
Also worth a watch, the story of Einar Wegener/Lili Elbe who was mentioned a few times.
These people have always existed but of course that does not mean that they’re valid. It’s a mental illness. However it also seems that during certain historical/cultural cycles, it weasels its way out of the insane asylum (probably closer to the end of a civilization cycle, sad to say!).
In more recent news, comics diversity hire Mags Visaggio is going to get the bottom surgery soon. This’s is an L waiting to happen.
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indigoisviolet
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So... half of your respondents come from 3% of the population? I can't see where you factor that into your conclusions?
I wonder if deliberately obsfucated data like this is the reason oligarch corporations fell for Pride bullshit in the first place, and managed to convince themselves that selling gay sex to children was the new hot thing the customers were all clamoring after?
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One small correction: he didn't actually tell the customer he was going to start doing sex work. He said:
then...
He said "shut the fuck up, I'm so tired", after which the customer apparently left.
The "I've decided I want to start private sex work" spiel was solely for the hugbox of fellow Reddit troons.
PaulBearer
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No-one ever said you were faking being a tranny for 'woke points' Brian, we said you were doing it so people might hire you for your abysmal writing skills.
Hope you enjoy dilating as much as we've enjoyed your shit comics.
Hope you enjoy dilating as much as we've enjoyed your shit comics.
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There are 333 million people in U.S. Let’s assume (and it’s probably low) that 200 million of them are adults. 4000 people is .0002% and as you point out, the “queer” identifiers are so overrepresented in the data set to begin with it’s worse than useless.
That said, I completely believe a bunch of stupid and lazy executives accept these types of “facts” from their highly compensated DEI consultants all the time.
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Good find! I do wonder why this is seen as a solid argument for trannies being coddled. The fact that people have always been horrified by these degenerates and societies across all cultures shunned them and recognized it for mental illness is also true. They only want to acknowledge one of these facts.
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EgyptianTraveler
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Stopped reading right here. Whatever you're going to say is going to be completely idiotic and wrong. I mentioned a fucking stroke and a heart attack as two examples the average person could relate to, and here you are trying to argue the exact medical definition of a hypothetical event that never happened.
This you? Get doxed, retard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedantry also see: anti-intellectualism
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Surprise, it's a business and an investment. This year is an election year and troon shit has really soured the rainbow for a lot of people so companies are slowly dialing back in case of massive public backlash because if this goes tits up, they don't want to be caught holding the bag.
This strengthens my belief that ultra strict gender roles have a big hand in creating trannies.
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Yes and no. It can actually help them "pass" better because it's very untoward in ultra-strict conservative environments to point out that the hon over there is a man and not just an unfortunate looking woman and because more of the body may be obfuscated with stuff like a burka. However, we live in times where many societies are lax about gender non-conformity to a degree never seen before and the number of troons is exploding for a niche mental illness. It's pandering to the mental illness and perversions that's the issue.
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It’s never the nurturing aspects of femininity, like not living in a hovel.
All of the stuff I’ve read about indigenous “third genders” is that they tend to occur in highly patriarchal societies with very rigid gender roles. So yeah.
Imagine not being able to answer such a fundamental question but still planning on getting your penis diced up and inverted.
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Kermit the Impaler
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Famous troon and cheater, CeCe Telfer, the first man to steal a track NCAA title from women, has a book out about all the "problems" he's had since he got banned from outdoor track and field. He still plans to complete in indoor track though, so, sorry to all women in that sport.
Track Star CeCé Telfer Says She’s Trying to “Heal” From the Pain of Trans Sports Bans
Article
On hearing that the NCAA was talking about banning troons from track:
On his mental heath status:
Track Star CeCé Telfer Says She’s Trying to “Heal” From the Pain of Trans Sports Bans
Article
lol.
On hearing that the NCAA was talking about banning troons from track:
On his mental heath status:
In 2019, CeCé Telfer raced to victory in the NCAA’s Division II 400-meter hurdles for Franklin Pierce University, becoming the first out transgender woman to snag a title under the major collegiate athletics organization. Her life up to that point, and ever since, has been a fight to present and compete as who she really is.
Most notably, in 2021, USA Track and Field denied Telfer the opportunity to compete in the Olympic Trials, arguing that she didn’t meet hormone-level eligibility requirements. Then, in March 2023, World Athletics, the international governing body for track, effectively banned trans women from racing, nipping Telfer’s 2024 bid for Paris in the bud. All the while, she has kept training and searching for a way into international competition. But Telfer says that over the course of her time competing in the women’s category, she has experienced homelessness and estrangement from her biological family, all while being harassed by everyone from her fellow competitors to Donald Trump, Jr. She documents those experiences, and her frequent appearances in the harsh right-wing spotlight, in her compelling new memoir Make It Count, available June 18.
The intense scrutiny on Telfer ratcheted up across conservative media as she found success in the women’s category during her last season at Franklin Pierce, and then again a couple of years later, when her Olympic dream was shut down the first time. Because she continues to compete, Telfer remains one of a small group of prominent trans athletes who anti-trans conservatives can reliably use to fuel right-wing outrage. In March of this year, when a group of current and former college athletes, including former University of Kentucky swimmer (and outspoken anti-trans activist) Riley Gaines, filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, arguing that the governing body violated their Title IX rights by allowing transgender athletes to compete, Telfer once again found herself dealing with the emotional distress of right-wing scrutiny.
Ahead of the release of her memoir, which chronicles all her personal and professional ups and downs, Telfer caught up with Them to talk about the current climate for trans athletes, blocking out the noise while competing, and more.
One thing that struck me, especially in the earlier chapters when you were younger, was how you seem to have had such a clarity about your sense of self. How has that served you into adulthood as you continue to face discrimination and other challenges?
I was never a boy, never saw myself as a boy, never identified as a boy, never conformed to anything that was masculine boy unless my parents were forcing it upon me.
So when it was time for me to break out of that shell and be like, no, I have to live for me now, I came to the realization that [my mother was] never going to love me for who I am. I have to live for me now because I’m at a very critical time in my life at college — if the war with my mental and physical state keeps happening, I will not be here any longer.
So I came out to her. Everything that I thought was going to happen pretty much happened. It was easier for me to let go of her knowing that she was going to come [at] me with hate, no love, and just a lot of bad stuff. It was so freeing. I felt like it was going to be worse, and I was going to be depressed for months. But I’ve never been happier. I’ve never been freer. I’ve never been lighter.
As a former NCAA athlete, how do you feel knowing that there was all this discussion recently about whether the governing body would ban trans women from collegiate sports? And of course, the NAIA, a smaller organization, did just effectively ban trans women from women’s sports.
I was heartbroken. I was distraught. Because I’m like, why are we going back? Why are we reverting? We’re literally going back in history. This is not real life, because we were moving forward and now we’re moving backwards. This is scary. The fact that people are powerful enough to move backwards is scary, not only for transgender women, but it should be scary for society at large because people think that [anti-trans advocates are] going to stop at transgender women. No. They’ve always been policing women’s bodies. It’s going down to cis women and what’s going on in their lives and their bodies.
It breaks my heart because I had an opportunity. The NCAA saw me. They gave me a chance to be that voice and be that physical change, and they were taking a step in the right direction and obviously creating history, hoping that other organizations would follow.
You wrote about stereotypes you have to face. How do you push forward in your fight to compete while knowing that, as you write about in your book, people might just see you as an “angry Black woman”?
I’ve been learning to speak from my heart rather than from my mind. And when I compete, to push forward, I tell myself that I will have my turn. And by the grace of God, I have an opportunity and I have to make it count. And making that count is eliminating everything that is negative, everything that is bad. I might be a little angry, but that’s just how I feel. And we are allowed to be angry. It’s a normal, healthy human emotion. However, I know that because of the color of my skin, I cannot live that normal human emotion.
You describe the process of receiving all this hate online, especially as the harassment spread nationally. It even came from our former president and his family. How are you able to shut out that noise?
Now I’m able to eliminate the distraction and the hateful, dehumanizing voices, especially from the past president and his family. I really had to dig deep and know that what I’m doing is applying pressure. I don’t have to do anything but show up and execute. That’s what’s really led me fiercely into this Olympic journey, because me showing up is applying pressure.
What does your day-to-day look like?
I work part-time, three days a week at a side job, and I train after work and every other day or every day. I try to keep up with speaking gigs to advocate, if I get invited to a university to talk. I’m advocating daily, because [of] my side job; people from all over the world see me, and they ask me questions. They’ve never been exposed [to trans people].
I’m [also] looking to just mentally try to heal from the denial [by World Athletics], and pick myself up and look forward to the season ahead. I’m just trying to stay healthy, you know? And sane. I always, always, as I wake up, I pray and I thank God for being alive and for being here today.
How are you doing mental health-wise?
Anti-trans rhetoric from past athletes, current athletes, is making it so much harder for women like me to exist in society and even compete in sports.
Right now it’s really, really, really, really hard, but I’ve just got to keep going and keep showing up. The other thing that keeps me going, too, is just going to the gym and working out, even though sometimes I feel like that is taken away from me, too. I feel like everything is slowly being taken away from me, but something told me to stand in my power, and I’m going to keep standing in my power.
When I see other athletes, I do feel some type of way, ’cause I’m like, that should be me. I should be training. So I’m in a very dark place right now.
What goes through your mind when you’re on the starting blocks of a race?
The moment I get onto the starting blocks, I am thinking: You’re here. Get it done. This is it and you got to make every second count. Give it everything you got. And then a part of me is thinking: I’m thankful and grateful to be on this line with all of these women. You’re lucky to be here. And don’t ever feel like that national championship gave you any advantage. Don't ever feel above any of these other athletes. I’m very appreciative and very humbled in the moment. And also extremely, extremely thankful for being there.
But also, as I’m getting into the blocks and the gun is about to go off, I’m like: Listen, eat this race up. It’s yours, and take it.
Who are you off the track?
Honestly, off the track, I am a lover. I consider myself like a ride-or-die, a rock. I consider myself to be a voice for people who don’t have a voice. Off the track, I am a very, very girly girl. I mean, on the track, too. I like to take care of myself and feel very pretty.
I want to chill. I want to watch movies off the track. I really want to rest and recover because I know that rest and recovery is the key to fast times. I’m always thinking like an athlete. I’m always thinking about what’s going to impact my performance the next day or down the line.
What’s the next step in your fight to compete in international track and field?
I look forward to indoor track, because 2024 indoors is going to be epic. My dreams were taken away from me once again. So I plan on going back to New England, hitting up all the indoor competitions, and taking all the names, all the records, and everything.
That doesn’t look like first all the time, that doesn’t look like second place, that doesn’t look like podium all the time, but the track meets that count will count. That’s what’s burning this fire in my heart and in my body. So it’s keeping me going to know that I can go to indoor competitions and still be the girl to talk about, period.
This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Make It Count: My Fight to Become the First Transgender Olympic Runner is available June 18 via Grand Central Publishing
Most notably, in 2021, USA Track and Field denied Telfer the opportunity to compete in the Olympic Trials, arguing that she didn’t meet hormone-level eligibility requirements. Then, in March 2023, World Athletics, the international governing body for track, effectively banned trans women from racing, nipping Telfer’s 2024 bid for Paris in the bud. All the while, she has kept training and searching for a way into international competition. But Telfer says that over the course of her time competing in the women’s category, she has experienced homelessness and estrangement from her biological family, all while being harassed by everyone from her fellow competitors to Donald Trump, Jr. She documents those experiences, and her frequent appearances in the harsh right-wing spotlight, in her compelling new memoir Make It Count, available June 18.
The intense scrutiny on Telfer ratcheted up across conservative media as she found success in the women’s category during her last season at Franklin Pierce, and then again a couple of years later, when her Olympic dream was shut down the first time. Because she continues to compete, Telfer remains one of a small group of prominent trans athletes who anti-trans conservatives can reliably use to fuel right-wing outrage. In March of this year, when a group of current and former college athletes, including former University of Kentucky swimmer (and outspoken anti-trans activist) Riley Gaines, filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, arguing that the governing body violated their Title IX rights by allowing transgender athletes to compete, Telfer once again found herself dealing with the emotional distress of right-wing scrutiny.
Ahead of the release of her memoir, which chronicles all her personal and professional ups and downs, Telfer caught up with Them to talk about the current climate for trans athletes, blocking out the noise while competing, and more.
One thing that struck me, especially in the earlier chapters when you were younger, was how you seem to have had such a clarity about your sense of self. How has that served you into adulthood as you continue to face discrimination and other challenges?
I was never a boy, never saw myself as a boy, never identified as a boy, never conformed to anything that was masculine boy unless my parents were forcing it upon me.
So when it was time for me to break out of that shell and be like, no, I have to live for me now, I came to the realization that [my mother was] never going to love me for who I am. I have to live for me now because I’m at a very critical time in my life at college — if the war with my mental and physical state keeps happening, I will not be here any longer.
So I came out to her. Everything that I thought was going to happen pretty much happened. It was easier for me to let go of her knowing that she was going to come [at] me with hate, no love, and just a lot of bad stuff. It was so freeing. I felt like it was going to be worse, and I was going to be depressed for months. But I’ve never been happier. I’ve never been freer. I’ve never been lighter.
As a former NCAA athlete, how do you feel knowing that there was all this discussion recently about whether the governing body would ban trans women from collegiate sports? And of course, the NAIA, a smaller organization, did just effectively ban trans women from women’s sports.
I was heartbroken. I was distraught. Because I’m like, why are we going back? Why are we reverting? We’re literally going back in history. This is not real life, because we were moving forward and now we’re moving backwards. This is scary. The fact that people are powerful enough to move backwards is scary, not only for transgender women, but it should be scary for society at large because people think that [anti-trans advocates are] going to stop at transgender women. No. They’ve always been policing women’s bodies. It’s going down to cis women and what’s going on in their lives and their bodies.
It breaks my heart because I had an opportunity. The NCAA saw me. They gave me a chance to be that voice and be that physical change, and they were taking a step in the right direction and obviously creating history, hoping that other organizations would follow.
You wrote about stereotypes you have to face. How do you push forward in your fight to compete while knowing that, as you write about in your book, people might just see you as an “angry Black woman”?
I’ve been learning to speak from my heart rather than from my mind. And when I compete, to push forward, I tell myself that I will have my turn. And by the grace of God, I have an opportunity and I have to make it count. And making that count is eliminating everything that is negative, everything that is bad. I might be a little angry, but that’s just how I feel. And we are allowed to be angry. It’s a normal, healthy human emotion. However, I know that because of the color of my skin, I cannot live that normal human emotion.
You describe the process of receiving all this hate online, especially as the harassment spread nationally. It even came from our former president and his family. How are you able to shut out that noise?
Now I’m able to eliminate the distraction and the hateful, dehumanizing voices, especially from the past president and his family. I really had to dig deep and know that what I’m doing is applying pressure. I don’t have to do anything but show up and execute. That’s what’s really led me fiercely into this Olympic journey, because me showing up is applying pressure.
What does your day-to-day look like?
I work part-time, three days a week at a side job, and I train after work and every other day or every day. I try to keep up with speaking gigs to advocate, if I get invited to a university to talk. I’m advocating daily, because [of] my side job; people from all over the world see me, and they ask me questions. They’ve never been exposed [to trans people].
I’m [also] looking to just mentally try to heal from the denial [by World Athletics], and pick myself up and look forward to the season ahead. I’m just trying to stay healthy, you know? And sane. I always, always, as I wake up, I pray and I thank God for being alive and for being here today.
How are you doing mental health-wise?
Anti-trans rhetoric from past athletes, current athletes, is making it so much harder for women like me to exist in society and even compete in sports.
Right now it’s really, really, really, really hard, but I’ve just got to keep going and keep showing up. The other thing that keeps me going, too, is just going to the gym and working out, even though sometimes I feel like that is taken away from me, too. I feel like everything is slowly being taken away from me, but something told me to stand in my power, and I’m going to keep standing in my power.
When I see other athletes, I do feel some type of way, ’cause I’m like, that should be me. I should be training. So I’m in a very dark place right now.
What goes through your mind when you’re on the starting blocks of a race?
The moment I get onto the starting blocks, I am thinking: You’re here. Get it done. This is it and you got to make every second count. Give it everything you got. And then a part of me is thinking: I’m thankful and grateful to be on this line with all of these women. You’re lucky to be here. And don’t ever feel like that national championship gave you any advantage. Don't ever feel above any of these other athletes. I’m very appreciative and very humbled in the moment. And also extremely, extremely thankful for being there.
But also, as I’m getting into the blocks and the gun is about to go off, I’m like: Listen, eat this race up. It’s yours, and take it.
Who are you off the track?
Honestly, off the track, I am a lover. I consider myself like a ride-or-die, a rock. I consider myself to be a voice for people who don’t have a voice. Off the track, I am a very, very girly girl. I mean, on the track, too. I like to take care of myself and feel very pretty.
I want to chill. I want to watch movies off the track. I really want to rest and recover because I know that rest and recovery is the key to fast times. I’m always thinking like an athlete. I’m always thinking about what’s going to impact my performance the next day or down the line.
What’s the next step in your fight to compete in international track and field?
I look forward to indoor track, because 2024 indoors is going to be epic. My dreams were taken away from me once again. So I plan on going back to New England, hitting up all the indoor competitions, and taking all the names, all the records, and everything.
That doesn’t look like first all the time, that doesn’t look like second place, that doesn’t look like podium all the time, but the track meets that count will count. That’s what’s burning this fire in my heart and in my body. So it’s keeping me going to know that I can go to indoor competitions and still be the girl to talk about, period.
This conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Make It Count: My Fight to Become the First Transgender Olympic Runner is available June 18 via Grand Central Publishing
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lol is that Colton
Haha lmao is it Colton! Hello you weird furry troon mess of a MAN, you!
He’s transitioning with one foot in the grave lmao
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The visible chest hair really says "woman"
behindyourightnow
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There are actually surveys done quite regularly that ask people whether they have engaged in any same-sex activity over the last year, and the amount of people answering yes has not budged in like 20+ years. In other words, scientists have carefully measured America's national cocksucking rate and the numbers are stable.
All the growth in "queer" people comes from fat girls with blue hair who want to feel special, downwardly mobile liberal white women who want to join an oppressed group to gain clout, and troons. And troons are probably the smallest group, since the number of "queer" people that go on hormones on any type is very small.
In short, "queer" should no longer be associated with any same-sex attraction and should be interpreted as "fat people, those that want to advance their careers by joining a "minority" group, and sexual predators."
There's another article on Pride Month L's I missed earlier that is perhaps the greatest of all:
Pride designers slam Target’s plan for their wares; retailer says it’s normal business practice
Excerpt:
Target approached artist Elizabeth Hudy to design Pride items in January 2023, including the opportunity to spotlight her by featuring her photo, bio and website, the Peach Fuzz, she said. Six months later, when Hudy saw Target's response to the upset about 2023′s collection, she worried how it would affect her designs. Through the past year, her contributions scaled down from about 20 items to just two, she said.
It wasn't until last week when she went to a San Francisco Target to search for her work that she realized the collection no longer featured her artist spotlight. And the pink mug she'd designed to originally say "support your sisters, not just your cis-ters" only included the first half of the phrase in the final product, Hudy said.
"I finally found it, like, shoved at the back of the women's clothing and got my stuff, left the store, and I went to my car, and I just bawled," she said.
LMAO. Anyway, regarding what I said above: google the artist and voila, she's another chubby white girl with dyed hair who is in a heterosexual marriage and has only ever dated men.
Elizabeth is a straight woman. She has never faceplanted into a vagina in her life, and she will never go on hormones. 15-20 years ago, a woman like Elizabeth would have been running an online jewelry store that sold little enamel badges of corgis and coffee cups and colorful clothing patches that said "Don't blame me, I'm a Capricorn!" But it's 2024, and now all the quirky slightly awkward girls do "queer activist" stuff instead, so that's what Elizabeth does.
A number of artists Target tapped to design part of its 2024 Pride collection have taken to social media to lament the retailer's product development process, including last-minute cuts, drastically altered designs, wasted products and little recognition.
This is the latest controversy for the Minneapolis-based company that has struggled to find even footing on LGBTQ issues after conservative backlash about some Pride items last year contributed to the retailer's dipping sales. In response, Target decided this month to sell a smaller selection of Pride merch in fewer stores, though all items are available online. It is a regression to pre-2021, when Target first began offering the collection in honor of June's Pride Month in all stores.
Target maintains the Pride designers went through the same rigorous process all of its collections weather, including working with a third-party vendor instead of Target itself. Merchandising expert Liza Amlani said retailers usually make drastic cuts to collections, but she said there was a reason Target was more critical of its Pride items this summer.
"Think of what happened last year," she said, referencing how some Target employees endured in-store altercations because of 2023′s controversy. "Target is playing it safe. … They are playing it safe because they want to keep their people safe."
But for the 2024 designers who started working with Target six months before the 2023 collection went on sale, seeing the slow unraveling of their work has been hard to stomach. Several took to social media to criticize the design process.
"I didn't receive any direct communication from Target when this was happening," artist En Tze Loh of GRRRL Spells said of last year's backlash affecting the design process for this year. "We were kind of just sitting and waiting in horror, worried about what might happen."
Last fall, Tze Loh, who is Canadian, heard Target would reduce their contributions from 15 to seven or eight. In January, it was down to four. That eventually fell to just one online-only item shortly before the collection went up for sale, dashing Tze Loh's hopes of traveling to the U.S. for the first time to see their work in a physical store.
"At Target, we work with thousands of vendors, designers and creators on an annual basis. The process of finalizing our assortment regularly includes design edits and product changes with the goal of creating a relevant assortment that will drive sales," Target said in a statement. "We value our partners' collaboration and creativity in achieving that shared goal."
Products noticeably missing from the Target's Pride collection this year include items for children, like onesies. Gone also are shirts and accessories emblazoned with provocative, often pun-filled, pro-LGBTQ messaging. In 2022′s collection, a year after all stores began selling the Pride merchandise, there were more than 250 pieces. This year, Target's website lists a little more than 60 items marked for June's Pride Month.
Some of what the designers have described is typical during the assortment planning process of major retailers, said Amlani, founder of retail consulting company the Retail Strategy Group.
"For the most part, (companies) almost always over-develop or over-assort a product mix," Amlani said, adding retailers can go from 100 items down to 50 easily.
For a retailer like Target, it could take a year or longer to go from product concept to what's on shelves. Many cuts to collections and final decisions happen late in the process, close to when the items go on sale so the items feel on-trend, she said.
Based on her interactions with Target in the past, Amlani said, she believes any changes the retailer has made to this year's collection is more about trying to keep employees safe from altercations in stores than it is about supporting or not supporting the LGBTQ community.
Not every Pride designer has been critical of Target. Rob Smith, chief executive and founder of the gender-inclusive apparel brand the Phluid Project, said he had "nothing but positive experiences" with Target in the five years since the store began to sell Phluid's clothing.
Target features several T-shirts from the Phluid Project with rainbow motifs as part of its Pride collection. Phluid also has a range of items sold year-round at Target.
Target approached artist Elizabeth Hudy to design Pride items in January 2023, including the opportunity to spotlight her by featuring her photo, bio and website, the Peach Fuzz, she said. Six months later, when Hudy saw Target's response to the upset about 2023′s collection, she worried how it would affect her designs. Through the past year, her contributions scaled down from about 20 items to just two, she said.
It wasn't until last week when she went to a San Francisco Target to search for her work that she realized the collection no longer featured her artist spotlight. And the pink mug she'd designed to originally say "support your sisters, not just your cis-ters" only included the first half of the phrase in the final product, Hudy said.
"I finally found it, like, shoved at the back of the women's clothing and got my stuff, left the store, and I went to my car, and I just bawled," she said.
Target's work with outside designers can vary in scope, from celebrity collaborations with the likes of Diane von Furstenberg, Joanna Gaines and Kendra Scott, to partnerships with smaller or lesser-known artists like those working on the Pride collection. And while former Pride collections, including last year's, did feature short designer bios on some tags and marketing, most designer partnerships of that lower level don't receive much public recognition.
Some of the miscommunication around expectations vs. reality of the collection could come down to the middle-manufacturer that actually made the products.
"In many cases, including this one, a third-party manufacturing vendor is involved in the design process and determines what happens with any product that isn't included in the final assortment," Target's statement read.
Hudy said eight of her designs amounted to an estimated 54,000 units of clothing manufactured in full. About 2,000 items will end up in her hands to donate to LGBTQ charities or sell on her own website, Hudy said.
"We had to wait for them to be de-tagged because they already had the price tags on them for Target," Hudy said.
Tze Loh hopes to receive about 1,500 units of their items back from the manufacturer, TSC Miami, and referenced an email from the company that said some of the canceled non-apparel items were required "to be destroyed." Tze Loh said they're wary of participating in another corporate pride collaboration because of this experience.
"I think for me to assess another collaboration, they would have to really prove themselves," Tze Loh said, "that they would stand their ground and not give in to backlash."
This is the latest controversy for the Minneapolis-based company that has struggled to find even footing on LGBTQ issues after conservative backlash about some Pride items last year contributed to the retailer's dipping sales. In response, Target decided this month to sell a smaller selection of Pride merch in fewer stores, though all items are available online. It is a regression to pre-2021, when Target first began offering the collection in honor of June's Pride Month in all stores.
Target maintains the Pride designers went through the same rigorous process all of its collections weather, including working with a third-party vendor instead of Target itself. Merchandising expert Liza Amlani said retailers usually make drastic cuts to collections, but she said there was a reason Target was more critical of its Pride items this summer.
"Think of what happened last year," she said, referencing how some Target employees endured in-store altercations because of 2023′s controversy. "Target is playing it safe. … They are playing it safe because they want to keep their people safe."
But for the 2024 designers who started working with Target six months before the 2023 collection went on sale, seeing the slow unraveling of their work has been hard to stomach. Several took to social media to criticize the design process.
"I didn't receive any direct communication from Target when this was happening," artist En Tze Loh of GRRRL Spells said of last year's backlash affecting the design process for this year. "We were kind of just sitting and waiting in horror, worried about what might happen."
Last fall, Tze Loh, who is Canadian, heard Target would reduce their contributions from 15 to seven or eight. In January, it was down to four. That eventually fell to just one online-only item shortly before the collection went up for sale, dashing Tze Loh's hopes of traveling to the U.S. for the first time to see their work in a physical store.
"At Target, we work with thousands of vendors, designers and creators on an annual basis. The process of finalizing our assortment regularly includes design edits and product changes with the goal of creating a relevant assortment that will drive sales," Target said in a statement. "We value our partners' collaboration and creativity in achieving that shared goal."
Products noticeably missing from the Target's Pride collection this year include items for children, like onesies. Gone also are shirts and accessories emblazoned with provocative, often pun-filled, pro-LGBTQ messaging. In 2022′s collection, a year after all stores began selling the Pride merchandise, there were more than 250 pieces. This year, Target's website lists a little more than 60 items marked for June's Pride Month.
Some of what the designers have described is typical during the assortment planning process of major retailers, said Amlani, founder of retail consulting company the Retail Strategy Group.
"For the most part, (companies) almost always over-develop or over-assort a product mix," Amlani said, adding retailers can go from 100 items down to 50 easily.
For a retailer like Target, it could take a year or longer to go from product concept to what's on shelves. Many cuts to collections and final decisions happen late in the process, close to when the items go on sale so the items feel on-trend, she said.
Based on her interactions with Target in the past, Amlani said, she believes any changes the retailer has made to this year's collection is more about trying to keep employees safe from altercations in stores than it is about supporting or not supporting the LGBTQ community.
Not every Pride designer has been critical of Target. Rob Smith, chief executive and founder of the gender-inclusive apparel brand the Phluid Project, said he had "nothing but positive experiences" with Target in the five years since the store began to sell Phluid's clothing.
Target features several T-shirts from the Phluid Project with rainbow motifs as part of its Pride collection. Phluid also has a range of items sold year-round at Target.
Target approached artist Elizabeth Hudy to design Pride items in January 2023, including the opportunity to spotlight her by featuring her photo, bio and website, the Peach Fuzz, she said. Six months later, when Hudy saw Target's response to the upset about 2023′s collection, she worried how it would affect her designs. Through the past year, her contributions scaled down from about 20 items to just two, she said.
It wasn't until last week when she went to a San Francisco Target to search for her work that she realized the collection no longer featured her artist spotlight. And the pink mug she'd designed to originally say "support your sisters, not just your cis-ters" only included the first half of the phrase in the final product, Hudy said.
"I finally found it, like, shoved at the back of the women's clothing and got my stuff, left the store, and I went to my car, and I just bawled," she said.
Target's work with outside designers can vary in scope, from celebrity collaborations with the likes of Diane von Furstenberg, Joanna Gaines and Kendra Scott, to partnerships with smaller or lesser-known artists like those working on the Pride collection. And while former Pride collections, including last year's, did feature short designer bios on some tags and marketing, most designer partnerships of that lower level don't receive much public recognition.
Some of the miscommunication around expectations vs. reality of the collection could come down to the middle-manufacturer that actually made the products.
"In many cases, including this one, a third-party manufacturing vendor is involved in the design process and determines what happens with any product that isn't included in the final assortment," Target's statement read.
Hudy said eight of her designs amounted to an estimated 54,000 units of clothing manufactured in full. About 2,000 items will end up in her hands to donate to LGBTQ charities or sell on her own website, Hudy said.
"We had to wait for them to be de-tagged because they already had the price tags on them for Target," Hudy said.
Tze Loh hopes to receive about 1,500 units of their items back from the manufacturer, TSC Miami, and referenced an email from the company that said some of the canceled non-apparel items were required "to be destroyed." Tze Loh said they're wary of participating in another corporate pride collaboration because of this experience.
"I think for me to assess another collaboration, they would have to really prove themselves," Tze Loh said, "that they would stand their ground and not give in to backlash."
My favorite part is the Canadian artist who said she had her dreams of traveling to the US "dashed" because her products are not being stocked in American Target stores anymore. Bitch you live in Toronto, get in a fucking car and drive across the fucking bridge.
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It's a reversion to the old non-sexual dictionary definition of "queer" but better not tell them that. 
It's an L if it's for real. I mean really, hormones to turn Muslim?
But on the other hand, there really is no limit to delusion, so maybe real and an L