Undertale

[Cucktry Roads]

>“I hate SJWs, but don’t you guys think anti-SJWs are just as bad?”
But really, they could have chosen anything else and gotten the same message across. There’s no way they picked “Love Wins” by pure coincidence.

Wait, where’s the couch line? That sounds hilarious, and I’m disappointed that most playthroughs I saw chose the crime dialogue instead of the significantly funnier “hanging out in the closet together”.

While I’m thinking about it, best line in the game right here:
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Lol that line got censored. It's now "Furry freak"

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Anyways, the whole Asgore hitting Dess with his truck meme is funny and all but it got me thinking. I have a theory of what actually happened:

-Asgore was a cop out on patrol
-Dess gets grabbed by something related to the dark worlds
-Asgore freezes up and is too scared to pursue it.
-Dess gets taken away/killed.
-Asgore takes the blame for what happened and he comes off as making up something ridiculous
-Rudy and Carol forgiven, Toriel doesn't.
-Gets kicked off force, Toriel and him divorce.
-Now he's trying to prove what happened was real.

Toriel left Asgore in Undertale because she viewed him as a coward who wanted to hide rather than take the Light Blue soul and kill 6 other humans and break the barrier. This cowardly theme could have carried over here. She viewed him as a coward for not protecting Dess and left him. If Asgore purposely or accidently killed Dess, I doubt Carol and Rudy would still be on the good terms with him. Both Asgore and Carol have conspiracy boards in their place and I bet Carol figured out exactly what was going on and is taking advantage of the whole situation, while Asgore is trying to prove his innocence.

 

[Cnidarian]

You guys realize Undertale is about narrative tropes in video games and not race politics right? Nobody gives a shit that you didn't like it for (insert political reason)
Most of us that actually like the game just want to talk about theories.

People of different real world races do not have the ability to accidentally kill the others on touch. This is still a fantasy thing. Also, the past thirty pages have been gender politics. Also, anything with the G-word always has a touch of race politics.

 

[Peru oso donas]

Speaking on the topic of the game calling you a monster over defending yourself, i always found it odd how the game and the community's counterargument is to claim it's your responsibility as an almighty entity who can rewind time to keep those tards from throwing themselves at you, with Sans coping, seething and dilating by calling you dirty brother killer if you tell him no.

 

[Smack Patrick]

the community's counterargument is to claim it's your responsibility as an almighty entity who can rewind time to keep those tards from throwing themselves at you

I don't care if I have magical rewind powers, it's the principal of the matter.
Anyone who puts me in a self defence situation, deserves death.
Simple as.

 

[ruckingfetard]

This conversation is so nostalgic. How I missed when the I DON'T PLAY THE GAME I JUST WATCH LET'S PLAYS AND AM AN UNEMPLOYED RETARD community used to get all smug or scold anyone who didn't do a pacifist run their first time playing... really takes me back.

 

[The Voicemail Devil]

It's a good thing I don't then

Then just accept that something you like is deeply and fundamentally troonslop

 

[Coolio55]

Then just accept that something you like is deeply and fundamentally troonslop

It's like you're eating a delicious meal but some fucknugget chef drizzled a light garnish over it with a nasty aftertaste so you've got to eat around those parts.

 

[Lizard Machine Bugs]

>get a phone call
>it's a skeleton
>"You are the reeeeal monster."

Aside from the fact Papyrus won't kill you, and always tries to befriend you even in no mercy.
Sans doesn't insult you in the self defense neutral endings. I.E only kill monsters who go out of their way to try to kill you like Undyne, Mettaton, and Asgore but spare Papyrus or Toriel.
He just tells you what's going on and offers no judgement.
He only really gets mad if you start to go out of your way to kill as many people as possible or kill people he has a personal connection with like Toriel and Papyrus. Which is completely understandable, especially since one of them can only kill you on accident/if you try to get kill yourself on her attacks, and Papyrus literally can't ever kill you. Even then the only endings he sets out to fuck you over are the leaderless endings where you kill all the bosses and tons of enemies but don't go out of your way for no mercy, or the leader Alphys ending where everyone else dies but she doesn't commit suicide.
Also I'm not the first person to point this out, but pacifist is a misnomer. The only qualifications to get true no mercy ending is to do all the side quests and not kill any monsters. Emphasis on kill, beating them into submission to spare them is completely fine and no one faults you for it.
Here's a link to a video showing all neutral endings.

In addition, here's all of Sans' judgements.

He only gets angry if you go out of your way to kill papyrus or as many people as possible. Other than that he asks you to not go out of your way to kill people and to spare them when given the opportunity. Which includes sparing them after beating the shit out of them.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

I think the debate should be pretty definitively settled by the fact that the monsters aren't actually trying to kill you.

While monsters are mostly made of magic, human beings are mostly made of water.
Humans, with their physical forms, are far stronger than us.
But they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic.
They'll never get a bullet-pattern birthday card...

Magic is a form of self expression to monsters, and because they're affected by killing intent more than physical damage, using their magic is usually harmless to one another. The monsters literally don't know they're attacking you. Exceptions can be made for the royal guards and other boss fights but your average random encounter is a monster trying to be friendly and fucking up because you're human.

 

[soy woah jaque]

Magic is a form of self expression to monsters, and because they're affected by killing intent more than physical damage, using their magic is usually harmless to one another. The monsters literally don't know they're attacking you. Exceptions can be made for the royal guards and other boss fights but your average random encounter is a monster trying to be friendly and fucking up because you're human.

That's retarded though

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

You guys realize Undertale is about narrative tropes in video games and not race politics right? Nobody gives a shit that you didn't like it for (insert political reason)
Most of us that actually like the game just want to talk about theories.

Undertale narrative tropes only work through manipulating the player. The best example is the use of the term Monsters when the term Faeries is WAY more appropriate for the other faction. Besides that you don't get any real control of your power so you can't just beat the shit out of monsters without killing them so they'll let you be.

I have no idea why you talk about race politics.

I think the debate should be pretty definitively settled by the fact that the monsters aren't actually trying to kill you.


Magic is a form of self expression to monsters, and because they're affected by killing intent more than physical damage, using their magic is usually harmless to one another. The monsters literally don't know they're attacking you. Exceptions can be made for the royal guards and other boss fights but your average random encounter is a monster trying to be friendly and fucking up because you're human.

> Sees it harms the player.
> Sees the player harms it in return.
> Doesn't leave anyways.
That's just retarded explanation, and if anything justifies the monsters being locked away.

But they will never know the joy of expressing themselves through magic.

It sounds like gay furry writing.

 

[Tinnitus]

> Sees it harms the player.
> Sees the player harms it in return.
> Doesn't leave anyways.
That's just retarded explanation, and if anything justifies the monsters being locked away.

You could say that Sasn is the smartest one, he refuses to give up his turn once he's exhausted.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

Why did Humans and Monsters get into a giant race war in the backstory of UT but not Deltarune?

Was Mettaton Lancer King Jr more persuasive in one reality or what?

 

[Mrsneksnekson]

Why did Humans and Monsters get into a giant race war in the backstory of UT but not Deltarune?

My assumption has always been that a monster absorbed the soul of a human and went on a rampage. They have those ancient ruinic tablets in waterfall that talk about the war, monsters ability to absorb the souls of humans and then the last one shows an image of monstrous monster.

So either the monster with a human soul rampage happened or humans learned that monster could literally steal their souls.

Was Mettaton Lancer King Jr more persuasive in one reality or what?

I dream that one day the sons of hotland will eat glamburgers side by side with humans at the table of brotherhood

 

[Manimal House]

Even though there's an abundance of gay shit going on, I'm glad that at least Ralsei's relationship with the other two is kept tame and I hope it stays that way. It's nice to see a friendship between characters be just that...friendship.

He does in a way (Excerpt from this page from the Spamton Sweepstakes ARG stuff)

Is there an archive of all of those pages in this thread or somewhere else? I saw a couple of reddit posts with links here and there but I'm not sure if there's more.

Why did Humans and Monsters get into a giant race war in the backstory of UT but not Deltarune?

Maybe it DID happen in Deltarune but the monsters won and the only humans that were left were the ones that live without souls.

There's the implication in this game that without the soul, a human is just another monster. Hence why Kris opened up a fountain, but only when he ripped his heart out and stuffed it between the couch cushions.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

Most of us that actually like the game just want to talk about theories.

 

[Lapsus of the bepsus]

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thats not talking, you didnt post any words, just something that makes my skin crawl. get it right!

honestly why not. sans in deltarune acts like hes got a stick up his ass. i liked him in undertale but in deltarune i want to punch him in his fucking face. maybe hes bugged about his brother secretly being a shadowy menace trying to end the world. maybe he just doesnt like kris.
if you visit sans house in chapters 1 and 2 it mentions the sound of trousling (referring to papyrus theme song) that gets quieter every time you visit until in ch3 i believe you cant hear it anymore. ch3 is also the first time you meet the knight...

the next obvious question is why the fuck does he have antlers? i kinda hate this whole theory direction of "beloved character you know from undertale or hometown is actually corrupted into being the main villain" and i sincerely hope none of that ends up being true, i think its lame. but suppose its true and dess and papyrus were somehow fused together into the knight. two siblings of two prominent characters, vaguely referred to but conspicuously missing.

i dunno it seems lame and gay

 

[The Lawgiver]

Genocide (Worth it, I've been playing bullet hells years before Undertale was out and it felt like I was finally playing a game that could give me what I wanted)

Genocide is literally the most boring game mode until sans lmao

The best example is the use of the term Monsters when the term Faeries is WAY more appropriate for the other faction.

Nigga last time I checked skeletons and giant ice birds and shit like that don't count as fairies.

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It'd be so fucking funny for there to be a fakeout reveal when papyrus finally shows up for his "battle body" armor to be based on the knight's appearance. Mirror the spooky sans sillouette intro with the knight but then it abrubtly cuts to THAT MUSIC once the fight starts.

You could say that Sasn is the smartest one, he refuses to give up his turn once he's exhausted.

He also is the only one that steps to the side when the small yellow bingbong child lunges at him with a knife. Man's the only socially apt guy int he undergound.

 

[gaysexenjoyer]

his brother secretly being a shadowy menace trying to end the world

Papyrus tweaking out because he has no irl friends and turning himself into a mighty knight feels like it fits well enough

the next obvious question is why the fuck does he have antlers?

I mean it is a knight, I assume that's just a helmet.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

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Undertale narrative tropes only work through manipulating the player. The best example is the use of the term Monsters when the term Faeries is WAY more appropriate for the other faction. Besides that you don't get any real control of your power so you can't just beat the shit out of monsters without killing them so they'll let you be.

I have no idea why you talk about race politics.

> Sees it harms the player.
> Sees the player harms it in return.
> Doesn't leave anyways.
That's just retarded explanation, and if anything justifies the monsters being locked away.

It sounds like gay furry writing.

I mean, if you hit them hard enough you can spare them. It's pretty clear that they are trying to leave at that point and the only reason they can't is because you're still attacking them.