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Yep.

That was me. I want Democrat refugees and their beliefs in my party as much as I want muslim refugees in America or California refugees in my State. Someone about to take away my freedom to say rational things? Maybe shame me for not being a drooling retard?
Whatever. I will never agree with people that value party lines over ideals. It's why I've spent my whole life never calling myself a republican despite my whole family being republicans literally as far back as I know of. It's retarded team sports, and its a rivalry that's gone too far at this point. The people that are/will ever change there minds aren't the far left crazies. They are the dems that have been life-long dems. In the more classic sense that have gone along with their party because that's what they have always done. And those are who I have seen change.

I made a thread to just post videos when I find them doing the "I'm leaving the left" thing. And all of them have the same story almost. "I was a democrat my whole life". If you are raised to think that. They are the side that want's the things that are best for the world. You are told the other side is evil, and the disagree with you because they are greedy, and want you dead. Then it's not hard to see why they never questioned it. Some of them just thought "I'm a good person, and people tell me this is what good people believe", basically (so literal npc type shit).

I've seen videos of people teaching their children that it was a good thing if republican candidates got shot. Are the children they are raising to blame for what they will be like when they grow up, or are their parents? As an extreme example, of how things like this are effected by upbringing. I won't hate people in my country because they weren't chudly before it was cool. If they aren't communists/antifa trannies I'm happy to see people wake up.
 
People can say, "well my opinion is the objective truth so therefore I'm right to hate the non-believers, because they didn't listen sooner". But that is literally what the left did. and that is how they got where they are now.
Incorrect.

You see, the difference is that leftists aren't people. They're more like insects, viruses.
 
No one wants to start a constitutional crisis over a toliet. Pritkzer is enough of a true believer I think he would escalate

Municipality has a army in the form of the PD, gangs and ethnic police unions
PD’s are notorious for being terrible marksmen and suffering from Glock leg. Gangs the same thing. They would immediately lose even if the Feds are outnumbered. Just make an example and get over it, who cares if a few true blue bootlickers need to be licked for it?
 
I've seen videos of people teaching their children that it was a good thing if republican candidates got shot. Are the children they are raising to blame for what they will be like when they grow up, or are their parents? As an extreme example, of how things like this are effected by upbringing. I won't hate people in my country because they weren't chudly before it was cool. If they aren't communists/antifa trannies I'm happy to see people wake up.
We are soooo past the point of navel gazing about why they are the way they are lol . I don’t care why they are the way they are I just don’t . If one only cared about the party above all you would be open tent maxxing to minimize the power of the institution. If you care about ideals you would understand why a party needs ideological coherence



PD’s are notorious for being terrible marksmen and suffering from Glock leg. Gangs the same thing. They would immediately lose even if the Feds are outnumbered. Just make an example and get over it, who cares if a few true blue bootlickers need to be licked for it?
That wouldn’t be the end of it tho lmao they wouldn’t just be outnumbered they would be in a hostile state cut off with its own heavily militarized police departments

Chicago PD was explicitly militarized starting in the 90s with one black police union guy pretty openly stating it was because they didn’t feel safe with how white southern Illinois was

Not your average pd
 
Nobody said anyone cared about neg-rates. Are you a liberal or just use emotions and straw mans like one?
Mentioning stickers when nobody brings them up means you are a faggot who automatically lost whatever argument they are making.

Why are you gay? Be straight; to do so never mention stickers in this context again.
 
We are soooo past the point of navel gazing about why they are the way they are lol . I don’t care why they are the way they are I just don’t . If one only cared about the party above all you would be open tent maxxing to minimize the power of the institution. If you care about ideals you would understand why a party needs ideological coherence
I feel like most of your replies to me are missing my point I'm making if you think I'm not in favor of that.
 
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We are soooo past the point of navel gazing about why they are the way they are lol . I don’t care why they are the way they are I just don’t . If one only cared about the party above all you would be open tent maxxing to minimize the power of the institution. If you care about ideals you would understand why a party needs ideological coherence




That wouldn’t be the end of it tho lmao they wouldn’t just be outnumbered they would be in a hostile state cut off with its own heavily militarized police departments

Chicago PD was explicitly militarized starting in the 90s with one black police union guy pretty openly stating it was because they didn’t feel safe with how white southern Illinois was

Not your average pd
We have Navy Seals and Delta Force I think we can deal with a shitty rogue police department.
 
We have Navy Seals and Delta Force I think we can deal with a shitty rogue police department.
I think your completely missing the point

No one wants to risk a constitutional crisis or shootout no matter how small the chance over a toilet

Let’s pretend your scenario happens and the feds press the issue and arrest the city workers and prtizker and the mayor actually decide to do more then kvetch. You now have at minimum a shootout the media is screeching about and making libtards even more hysterical. That’s assuming it didn’t spiral further

Why is that worth a toilet seat and a symbolic subduing of a municipality/state
 
Why is our Federal government taking orders from some city worker? Bust the door down. We have a cucked administration. If this was a real government they’d push this shit in and hang everyone involved for treason.
Why? Its a toilet! A fight is fine, but use political capital on useful shit.
 
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Why is our Federal government taking orders from some city worker? Bust the door down. We have a cucked administration. If this was a real government they’d push this shit in and hang everyone involved for treason.

Because conservatives don't chimp out like niggers when they're denied access like Democrat niggers do.

Rep. LaMonica McIver indicted on federal charges over clash with officers at ICE facility​


 
Can I just say I think I get more frustrated with "conservatives" who are stuck in the 2012 Mitt Romney camp than libtards. I think because of my background I get exposed to more than most. They usually go off on how trump led all the other conservatives to betray their conservative values. They huff and puff on how the conservatives they know are basically evil for following trump as some sort of cult leader.
I just shake my head and ask

"What was conserved before Trump"

I would agree trump is not a true conservative, but what does that even mean when his administration has been the only one to actually reduce the size of the government.
First off, what is a conservative to begin with? Wanting small government doesn't make one a conservative in my view. Wanting small government because the founding fathers wanted small government makes one a poor conservative in my view. Why did the founding fathers want small government? Well, because a large government is both expensive, and easily leads to the oppression of the citizenry (glad that hasn't happened...). Wanting small government isn't or ought not be the hallmark of a "conservative".

My view, is that a "conservative" American wants America to be like America was when the constitution was adopted, or reflect what the founding fathers wanted America to be. Trump is more conservative than any other politician in my life time. He's more in line with the founding fathers than most "conservative" politicians. Rhetoric is just words, not action. Trump is words, and actions. There are a lot of "conservatives", even ones that voted for Trump, that prefer a respectable suit over a "get the job done trench fighter" like Trump. I'll never understand that mindset.
 
states rights nigger. THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN.
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
 
I guess people in thread don't remember how Vance was anti-Trump when he was trying to hock his book back in 2016.
Politics is a big game. Remember that Trump dunked on quite a number of the people who are either in his cabinet or aligned with him now back when he was running for his first term. Trump being elected in 2016 has reset the entire playing field for the GOP. I think Vance understands that the energy is with the MAGA movement now. I think he also realizes that the country is in a different struggle than it was pre-Trump. Hell, I didn't even like Trump until I saw what he was doing for the country. First president I've seen who delivers for the people like no other.
 
Pritkzer is enough of a true believer I think he would escalate
"Leftist billionaire" is an oxymoron. He's not a true believer because he's not abandoning his fortune for the government to redistribute it to different varities of nigger. He believes in "obtain money and power," and progressive ideology helps achieve the later. He achieves the former by being a cutthroat laize faire capitalist in the hospitality industry. He's an ultra-mecha-giga-landlord. These two ideologies are diametricaly opposed, yet progressives are too morally bankrupt to notice because their entire mantra around Pritzker is that he is "one of the good ones." Same as Bill Gates. They'll ignore mass involuntary sterilization on the African continent as long as the person doing it gets on TV a couple times a year and tells people to stop driving cars and eating meat.
 
I think your completely missing the point
No I’m not missing the point. I’m tired of these fucking insurgents holding parts of the country hostage. The Feds absolutely could take control of the city if they wanted to. The city has a militarized PD? Okay. They have no oil, they have no ammo factory. They have no fighter jets, no Navy. They could not win. They could not even hold off an invasion. The Democrats have no power in the government. There is nothing they could do to retaliate. They would be completely defeated.
 
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
States have asserted more power in the past 20 years then since the civil war


It’s just now partisan, states assert their rights when they are not part of the ruling party and they fold to the feds (generally) when they are part of the ruling party.

Florida. Texas. Cali all have incredible strong state governments


"Leftist billionaire" is an oxymoron. He's not a true believer because he's not abandoning his fortune for the government to redistribute it to different varities of nigger. He believes in "obtain money and power," and progressive ideology helps achieve the later. He achieves the former by being a cutthroat laize faire capitalist in the hospitality industry. He's an ultra-mecha-giga-landlord. These two ideologies are diametricaly opposed, yet progressives are too morally bankrupt to notice because their entire mantra around Pritzker is that he is "one of the good ones." Same as Bill Gates. They'll ignore mass involuntary sterilization on the African continent as long as the person doing it gets on TV a couple times a year and tells people to stop driving cars and eating meat.
he’s not a socialist but he is a true believer in globohomo. Plenty of neoliberal billionaires who want globohomo covid technocracy to last forever.


he is a true believer in his strain of neoliberalism, I just call neoliberals leftists even if they aren’t by classic definition
 
Ok but being actually serious. I feel like people just don't give a fuck about states rights anymore in America. That used to be a really important thing to people on the conservative side. I especially feel like that is something that has been completely lost. Especially with trump now. I definitely still want States to have power, rather than a giant federal government still.
States rights will die an ignoble death if hives for illegal immigration are not reigned in. Elections are already a landslide for democrats for every single race that isn't Caucasians. As much as I'd have liked for the Confederacy to win, the precedent for the federal government to meddle in state affairs exists. It may as well be used now for an actually good purpose: slowing the browning of the USA.
 
No I’m not missing the point. I’m tired of these fucking insurgents holding parts of the country hostage. The Feds absolutely could take control of the city if they wanted to. The city has a militarized PD? Okay. They have no oil, they have no ammo factory. They have no fighter jets, no Navy. They could not win. They could not even hold off an invasion. The Democrats have no power in the government. There is nothing they could do to retaliate. They would be completely defeated.

>Just start a civil war over a toliet bro

Your a lunatic

And yes you are missing the point because you still think it would be isolated to Chicago at that point and it’s Chicago vs the rest of the USA when you’re missing the point. It’s not about how quick we could beat the city of Chicago
 
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