"Virtuous" Pedophiles

[XH 502]

Is there like, a pedo watch group we could contact about this site? I'd love to see these pedo's get what they deserve.

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[Red_Rager]

Is there like, a pedo watch group we could contact about this site? I'd love to see these pedo's get what they deserve.

As long as they don't actually have illegal content on their website like actual CP there is not much that can be done. I'm no lawfag, but talking about illegal content and expressing interest in it alone isn't enough to get someone arrested. At least not in the US. However, that doesn't mean we can't at least bring attention to potential illegal activity. Unfortunately, in some jurisdictions even viewing the content accidentally can technically be enough to get in you in trouble. Best to report anonymously and if you do hit CP use ccleaner and be sure to use its wipe free space function as well. You do not want any trace of this left on your computer.

Here are some resources to help report these sick fucks
http://www.missingkids.com/home
https://report.cybertip.org/
http://www.safesurfingkids.com/reporting.htm
http://www.asacp.org/

 

[Anime-Chan]

I'm pretty scared of a future where these people are encouraged and open. Admitting this/being diagnosed with this means that you should be put on libido killing drugs at minimum.

even if their fuck up asses are open about it, it still doesn't stop the point in them getting fuck up by people because their dumbass just gave us a advantage of knowing who they really are. Plus no parent is going to be like 'here's my 4 year old daughter have fun you too' and if that's the case they should get beat up too

 

[EnixSquared]

@EnixSquared Just wanted to say, thanks for digging up content on virped.

Just one thing: is it possible for someone not registered to view the forums as long as they have the link?

No problem. It's a relatively busy time of year for me right now, but I'll be sure to release episode 2 ASAP. This week I'm gonna try and finish my response video to their thread about me.

 

[AnOminous]

As long as they don't actually have illegal content on their website like actual CP there is not much that can be done. I'm no lawfag, but talking about illegal content and expressing interest in it alone isn't enough to get someone arrested.

It's not illegal to post that you kill people, or a picture of where you bury the bodies. You won't be arrested for posting that. People don't have to ignore that you actually did something illegal, though, and you can be arrested for that, and your own statement is evidence of it.

That said, any activist organization interested in this kind of shit that isn't already well aware of that site is probably too dumb to help.

 

[Wildchild]

So I've heard about this "support" group for people who are sexually attracted to children but vow to not act on their urges, sometimes in multiple threads here. There is so much pedo defending going on with them. Their forums seem to be hidden to users or taken down, but you can see remnants of them power leveling their sick fetishes by googling "virped forums" .

http://www.virped.org/

http://www.mentalsupportcommunity.net/index.php?/topic/9285-i-am-a-pedophile/

http://www.psychforums.com/paraphilias/topic92453-10.html

As pedophilia is an extremely controversial topic, then I wish to start off by saying that I have no sympathy for child molesters and find pedophilia in general to be extremely deviant. Now that I got that out of the way.

I suppose I would argue that sites like this are a good idea, because the current state of affairs is that there is currently no help or system in place for pedophiles who do wish to get help due to the stigma. The only country that does have an efficient treatment in place is Germany.

There are a fair number of pedophiles who wish to get help, and believe that it would be more proactive to have some sort of treatment program that can catch potential sexual deviants, and treat them before they offend, instead of waiting until they commit an offense and focusing entirely on punishment.

I don't know much about the site listed above, but I have heard that virped is used fairly regularly by researchers who are studying paraphilias.

 

[EnixSquared]

As pedophilia is an extremely controversial topic, then I wish to start off by saying that I have no sympathy for child molesters and find pedophilia in general to be extremely deviant. Now that I got that out of the way.

I suppose I would argue that sites like this are a good idea, because the current state of affairs is that there is currently no help or system in place for pedophiles who do wish to get help due to the stigma. The only country that does have an efficient treatment in place is Germany.

There are a fair number of pedophiles who wish to get help, and believe that it would be more proactive to have some sort of treatment program that can catch potential sexual deviants, and treat them before they offend, instead of waiting until they commit an offense and focusing entirely on punishment.

I don't know much about the site listed above, but I have heard that virped is used fairly regularly by researchers who are studying paraphilias.

It would be a good idea in theory, but the 'virtuous' facade is just that. A facade. They aren't interested in professional help because they believe pedophilia is not a paraphilia, but a sexual orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. They believe there is nothing wrong with indulging in their fantasies(writing detailed stories, making 'little girl cuddle dolls', talking about how they oogle at kids at the mall, etc.) and feel that being around or even alone with children is just a-okay.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

As pedophilia is an extremely controversial topic, then I wish to start off by saying that I have no sympathy for child molesters and find pedophilia in general to be extremely deviant. Now that I got that out of the way.

I suppose I would argue that sites like this are a good idea, because the current state of affairs is that there is currently no help or system in place for pedophiles who do wish to get help due to the stigma. The only country that does have an efficient treatment in place is Germany.

There are a fair number of pedophiles who wish to get help, and believe that it would be more proactive to have some sort of treatment program that can catch potential sexual deviants, and treat them before they offend, instead of waiting until they commit an offense and focusing entirely on punishment.

I don't know much about the site listed above, but I have heard that virped is used fairly regularly by researchers who are studying paraphilias.

That might be true if they were talking to a therapist or something but when they are just talking to other pedophiles I imagine instead of getting help they'll just talk about being pedophiles and it'll normalize their behavior for them, I mean the forums are bad enough but imagine what kind of things they are talking about in chatrooms.

 

[Euthynnus Dominae]

Some clarification on mandated reporting and why very few pedophiles seek therapeutic treatment, since there's been a lot of talk about this throughout this thread (spoilered because it's long):

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Many of you have stated that pedophiles need to get professional help by a therapist. I agree! What I think scares most pedophiles from doing that is the mandated reporting law (http://www.d2l.org/site/c.4dICIJOkG...Asked_Questions_About_Mandatory_Reporting.htm), which states that certain professions (typically teachers, therapists, psychologists, social workers, etc...basically anyone who is likely to be around children and hear these things) are required by law to report any suspicions of child abuse. This may include a child disclosing the abuse, an adult disclosing it (or disclosing ideas that they want to do it and have potential access to children), a child disclosing abuse that they witnessed occurring with another child...etc. It is a felony to not report suspected child abuse to the proper authorities (typically whatever Child Protective Services is called in the state they're practicing in). In that sense, mandated reporters are required to report anything that hints of child abuse. It isn't up to them to determine whether it's true or not - the entity that they report to will open up an investigation and do that. Abuse of children (along with threatening to hurt oneself or threatening to hurt others) are the only things that require a therapist to break confidentiality and alert the authorities. Therefore, pedophiles don't want to disclose anything because the therapist is very likely forced to report it.

Also, pedophiles in particular are highly difficult to work with therapeutically, because they are used to being extremely manipulative and lying to everyone around them, they have poor insight into their motivations, and they have very little motivation to change. They pull some crazy mental gymnastics to convince themselves that they are in the right, and they believe their own lies to a delusional level, such as the idea that the child came on to them and "seduced" them, that children are mature and able to consent, that THEY are the victim rather than the child, etc. Treatment typically only occurs when the offender is forced to - such as when they've already been caught and are in prison. If the prison even offers rehabilitation, treatment typically consists of breaking the web of lies/denial that the pedophile is caught up in, requiring them to own up to what they did and who they've hurt, and helping them recognize what lead them down this awful path. Since pedophiles are at most risk to offend when they are stressed, there's also a lot of coping skills that are taught so they don't immediately want to offend again when they get stressed. (This is the same idea as breaking the addiction cycle, as people who were former addicts are most vulnerable when they are stressed)

And I can't stress this enough - they will almost never seek treatment on their own because abuse of children is one of the most awful, secretive, and manipulative things someone can do. This is why I'm sickened but unsurprised to see this website and how secretive it is. What also sucks about seeing this website is knowing that they can continue to spread their manipulative lies to each other and reinforce them/believe them even more. When you're around a community of like-minded individuals, it becomes even easier to normalize sickening thoughts/urges/behaviors...as has been stated before in this thread.

Honestly, this population is one that needs therapeutic help the most, but one that very few therapists actually want to work with because it's hard to be empathetic with someone who sexually abused a child, and they're typically difficult clients (manipulative, poor insight, resistant to change). And, sadly, they almost never willingly go to treatment - as I said before, they instead are typically forced into it after they've already abused some poor child(ren). Also, therapists typically work with the other side of the coin - the victims of abuse - so it makes it even more difficult to work with a sexual offender when the therapist firsthand sees the awful results of the abuse on the victims.

 

[AnOminous]

I don't know much about the site listed above, but I have heard that virped is used fairly regularly by researchers who are studying paraphilias.

Yeah, but as an actual "treatment" site it is on the level of pro-ana sites.

 

[Mrs Paul]

I think one of the problems is referring to themselves as "virtuous". Perhaps, "celibate" or "anti-molestation" or something. Because I really would not call many of what I've seen as virtuous. Just because you're not actually molesting kids doesn't mean you deserve kudos. It's what you're supposed to do.

 

[DrJonesHat]

I agree with @EnixSquared. Pedophiles who are truly non-offending should be granted therapy to help them cope with their urges. They should be monitored, but discreetly. If we start tossing people in jail just for having bad thoughts, where do we stop? Here's what I would do if I were in charge: Allow pedophiles to self-disclose to therapists/mental health professionals. The professional would report it, but the report would be kept confidential at first. The cops investigate the person to determine if they are actually not-offending. If they have offended, the investigation proceeds as a normal criminal investigation. If they haven't, then they get lifetime counseling that's either free or low cost. They'd be required to meet with a law enforcement official from time to time, to ensure they're on the straight and narrow, in addition to their therapist, but as long as they follow the law, their diagnosis will be kept confidential. However, if they're accused of molestation, the fact that they disclosed can be used to build a case against them. It's not perfect, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where you get locked up for merely for thinking bad things. Doing bad things on the other hand, yes, you belong in prison.

 

[AnOminous]

I agree with @EnixSquared. Pedophiles who are truly non-offending should be granted therapy to help them cope with their urges. They should be monitored, but discreetly. If we start tossing people in jail just for having bad thoughts, where do we stop? Here's what I would do if I were in charge: Allow pedophiles to self-disclose to therapists/mental health professionals. The professional would report it, but the report would be kept confidential at first. The cops investigate the person to determine if they are actually not-offending. If they have offended, the investigation proceeds as a normal criminal investigation. If they haven't, then they get lifetime counseling that's either free or low cost. They'd be required to meet with a law enforcement official from time to time, to ensure they're on the straight and narrow, in addition to their therapist, but as long as they follow the law, their diagnosis will be kept confidential. However, if they're accused of molestation, the fact that they disclosed can be used to build a case against them. It's not perfect, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where you get locked up for merely for thinking bad things. Doing bad things on the other hand, yes, you belong in prison.

I would say keep the disclosure requirements the same, but allow therapists to consult patients whose identities they don't know.

It's now technologically possible to do this at a distance and have both therapist and client maintain anonymity, with the understanding that they shouldn't disclose anything that would directly reveal it.

This might break the client/therapist relationship if it went in a direction that would basically require the therapist to bring in law enforcement, but without knowing the actual identity of the client, the disclosure would not be harmful to the client.

Not that we're directly concerned with the welfare of the client as such in a situation like this, but it would remove the disincentive on the part of the patient to disclose, that is, that they might be arrested for doing so, and as a result, might lead to fewer offenses in the first place. Most importantly, though, it's very unlikely actually to cause any.

The same principle would apply to other potentially criminal patients, of course.

A system like this might not work, of course, because the people most likely to offend are also the least likely to seek out help because they don't think they need it, seeing nothing wrong with their predilections.

Todd Nickerson is actually a perfect example of this, his protestations to the contrary. Some day Salon is going to look like a bunch of fucking idiots when this guy actually offends in the unlikely case that he hasn't already.

 

[XH 502]

Todd Nickerson is actually a perfect example of this, his protestations to the contrary. Some day Salon is going to look like a bunch of fucking idiots when this guy actually offends in the unlikely case that he hasn't already.

When you spend that much time trying to convince other people that your violence-oriented disease is not a violence-oriented disease, well, that raises a fuckton of red flags.

 

[Mrs Paul]

I agree with @EnixSquared. Pedophiles who are truly non-offending should be granted therapy to help them cope with their urges. They should be monitored, but discreetly. If we start tossing people in jail just for having bad thoughts, where do we stop? Here's what I would do if I were in charge: Allow pedophiles to self-disclose to therapists/mental health professionals. The professional would report it, but the report would be kept confidential at first. The cops investigate the person to determine if they are actually not-offending. If they have offended, the investigation proceeds as a normal criminal investigation. If they haven't, then they get lifetime counseling that's either free or low cost. They'd be required to meet with a law enforcement official from time to time, to ensure they're on the straight and narrow, in addition to their therapist, but as long as they follow the law, their diagnosis will be kept confidential. However, if they're accused of molestation, the fact that they disclosed can be used to build a case against them. It's not perfect, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where you get locked up for merely for thinking bad things. Doing bad things on the other hand, yes, you belong in prison.

I don't know if I'd go that far -- it might violate probable cause. You can't just investigate someone because they state "I have such and such disorder". You need a valid reason and a warrant. As much as I agree it would be good in theory, in practice it would never fly. The ACLU would be all over that shit, you'd have defense lawyers yelling about Constitutional rights against self-incrimination, etc.
I think relaxing the manditory reporting laws would be better. Yes, keep the parts about notifying if someone claims to have committed a crime. But just say, "I think I'm attracted to kids?" No, that should be covered by doctor/patient priveledge. Saying, "I PLAN to molest kids" is one thing. Or "I think I MIGHT molest kids". But just "I'm attracted to kids and I want help" shouldn't get you investigated by the cops. MAYBE an inpatient evaluation, if the doctor thinks it's warranted? Similiar to other psychiatric disorders. I mean, people saying, "I have visions of killing people" doesn't get you arrested, just examined. Maybe we should treat it similiar to how we treat people who get urges to commit violence?

A system like the one you suggest would discourage pedophiles from seeking help, even if they didn't have to go to jail.

 

[Serket's pinoy champion]

Speaking of Pedos, here is a Christian pastor that has set up a colony for them.

Inside Florida's Paedophile Colony

Banished: Miracle Village: The Florida town where everyone is a child sex offenderWatch more of Journeyman's latest stories: https://www.youtube.com/playlist...

youtu.be

 

[Serket's pinoy champion]

Pedophiles are bad. Pedophiles are stupid. Now where's the ISIS thread? I have some very deep and important things to add to the discussion.

But can Pedos change?

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

But can Pedos change?

No, and that's why they are dangerous.

 

[Serket's pinoy champion]

No, and that's why they are dangerous.

Did you watch that YouTube video I posted? Comment about it.

 

[Serket's pinoy champion]

Here is a movie about a child molester trying to survive prison;

https://youtu.be/Upd4zoZJq2M