Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[teriyakiburns]

This is going to be the future going forward. Fuck.

History is littered with examples of academic dogma that appeared unassailable, but was later abandoned. Many of the things we now reject as pseudoscience were once as rigorously defended as troonism, with similar social effects.

 

[Ser Prize]

History is littered with examples of academic dogma that appeared unassailable, but was later abandoned. Many of the things we now reject as pseudoscience were once as rigorously defended as troonism, with similar social effects.

I hope so, but this brings the massive cult around it instead of just being a scentific theory. You can argue that similar pseudo sciences in the past did the same, but I don't think it's ever been this bad before.

 

[glass_houses]

I hope so, but this brings the massive cult around it instead of just being a scentific theory. You can argue that similar pseudo sciences in the past did the same, but I don't think it's ever been this bad before.

Yeah, Humorism didn't last that long, for example. Only two and a half thousand years or so.

 

[Corn Flakes]

Yeah, Humorism didn't last that long, for example. Only two and a half thousand years or so.

That's a pre-scientific theory. Look at how long fads like Radithor or lobotomizing mental patients lasted instead. It wasn't much. Quackery tends to go out of fashion when its horrible consequences start to become public.

 

[LimeRikki]

This is going to be the future going forward. Fuck.

It will be if you and people like you choose to adopt a defeatist attitude.

Optimism the logical choice, fren.

It may take a while but things are going to be okay.

 

[Ser Prize]

It will be if you and people like you choose to adopt a defeatist attitude.

Optimism the logical choice, fren.

It may take a while but things are going to be okay.

I'm all for optimism, but at this point I've lost numerous close friends and a sibling to this bullshit. It's hard to keep a chin up when you get a peek into the inner workings of the indoctrination machine(academia) and see just how entrenched it is.

 

[Procrastinhater]

So I was watching a youtuber I like watch a video about a video like the absolute goyslop drinker I am, and stuff in that video made me realize something very dire: This is never going the fuck away.

In the video('s video) the sperg talks about how 'ackshully tranny brains are closer to their desired sex' and it just hit me that this shit is now deeply entrenched in Academia. They actually believe this shit. They paid thousands of dollars a year to get taught this shit.

This is going to be the future going forward. Fuck.

Even a year or two ago I would have agreed with you, but there's more and more signs that even normies are starting to get sick of them.
Just a year ago even if there was pushback you would have never heard of it, but there's more and more cases of open objections and resistance to it.
I'm convinced the thing that's started to tip the scales is when they got more cocky and started to openly go after indoctrinating kids.
That's what's tipped it.
You can do a lot of shit and people while they might not like it will be live and let live, but going after kids is a line in the sand.
And troons have got so used to being protected and getting away with being openly vile that now they're getting pushback they sperg out, which is just making them look worse.

 

[LimeRikki]

I'm all for optimism, but at this point I've lost numerous close friends and a sibling to this bullshit. It's hard to keep a chin up when you get a peek into the inner workings of the indoctrination machine(academia) and see just how entrenched it is.

I'm really sorry to hear that that fucking sucks.

It is pretty difficult to keep your chin up about this stuff sometimes. But I just wanna restate that you should have hope.

Spoiler: Gray skys are gonna clear up

I'm the sort of Kiwi who used to be pretty far left until I was pushed out of my own ideology because my values did not change while the leftist's around me went insane.

I'm still loosely associated with a number of leftist circles and things are starting to turn within those circles. Tolerance tends to go out the window when people really wake up and realize that there's a chance this is going to affect their children instead of other people's children (who they don't have to care about.)

The wheels of change turn slowly, but they do turn.

All edits are for spelling

 

[deermeat]

I went through several phases of peaking throughout the years as someone who still suffers from GD and used to ID as trans. Mostly, it was the truscum period I'd always stick with. But what truly made me peak beyond such recently is finding out this guy I know, whos also a creator online, alongside with most if not all of his friends- decided to transition. At once.

He suffers with psychosis and the entire circle he surrounds himself with is full of sexual perversion (hes literally in a polycule lol). It is by all means not a sexual thing, he's been known to get himself in hot water due to his behavior in that way in the past. He left his family for this as well. His friends are the type of troons who obsess over the "possibility of being murdered" over their identity and that somehow cis women (terfs) are a threat despite them being full grown men.

It is not only horrifyingly dystopian to witness, but it's also fucking sad. The dude had so much potential, only to now be in a sex-obsessed cult that teaches you the world is out to get you. If he doesn't get out, he's gonna end up dead by 30 or worse. He might as well say goodbye to his online career, it's not like he hasn't already done fucked up things prior. As terminally online as he is, things are gonna blow up in his face.

I would have never thought he would be affected. The fact he is affected scares me. It gave me some good insight though. It really reinforced the dangers of letting your vices control you and why sometimes it's better off to be alone than with the wrong crowd. I struggle with my own vices, my own beliefs, hanging out with the wrong people, etc. The world is a confusing place. Social media has fucked with peoples' sense of morality. It's good to be reminded "hey this could be you if you keep going on like this".

I have a strange amount of times where the people close to me eventually trooned out, I think it's due to my age as a gen zer and my niche interests where usually the only people you'll meet who share them are online. My childhood friend, two of my exes, this guy, and then my one ex friend.
They become shells of their former self, melting away into these paranoid husks of people who need constant reassurance from others (only from their group, mind you) just to not flip their shit. They are nothing without their labels.
It made me question myself a lot too. Like "oh, maybe it isnt all bad- maybe theyre right" only for me to be reminded on why all of this is bad. Sure, being trans don't make you a bad person. But you will no doubt becomea corrupt person due to the very nature of gender idealogy. You are basically playing God, believing reality can be bended by your sheer will. At least when it comes to being gay, it's only "wrong" if you believe in a partiuclar religion saying so. All in all you aren't assuming the role of God, and really what makes people think homosexuality is perverse are the attributes that plague the community in regards to extreme sex positivity- those same attributes not exclusive to gay people. Yet those same attributes that are 100% celebrated by trans idealogy. Go figure. Even people like Blair White and Buck Angel partake in that culture. I understand the appeal, I understand why people say "fuck it" and decide to join such a twisted community. I understand why they'd delude themselves and risk it all. People act like it makes "no sense" why someone would "intentionally make their lives harder" by trooning out- and yet they don't seem to think about how hard that person's life is, how lonely they are. Trooning out gives them this access to an entire community that will always clap them up, no matter their appearance or behavoir or short-comings. The bar is set so extremely low. Not to mention how society will grant them special privileges now more than ever. Why remain a pathetic porn-addicted cis man/woman when you can become a troon instead and belong to a community that glamorizes your faults? All it costs is your indiviuality and you will be offered unconditional love and support. It's like asking why people join cults in the first place. Ask yourself, why do cults target college students the most?

Sorry for the long post.

 

[Bubble Ba'ath]

Spoiler: Gray skys are gonna clear up

I'm the sort of Kiwi who used to be pretty far left until I was pushed out of my own ideology because my values did not change while the leftist's around me went insane.

I'm still loosely associated with a number of leftist circles and things are starting to turn within those circles. Tolerance tends to go out the window when people really wake up and realize that there's a chance this is going to affect their children instead of other people's children (who they don't have to care about.)

The wheels of change turn slowly, but they do turn.

All edits are for spelling

I am very unorthodox and ill-fitting with it but I too consider myself on most issues quite left. People like me who had zero tolerance for suqqing the gurldique were very much politically ostracized 10 or even 5 years ago. But you know what? It really is coming around there of all places now. So many people have started admitting to me that I was right or asking for why I am a heretic on woke issues especially gender with a much more open mind wanting to actually hear my reasons. I know multiple people who are more left wing than I am who are even more troonbashing than me now. There is an entire (though not very public) subculture of leftists now who basically see gendershit as wreckers, organizational saboteurs, radlib infiltrators, etc. And they are right, its literally the best manifestation of the neoliberal subject under a declining capitalism that tells retards and nerds "Let them eat identity."

The dominant public facing leftist culture is still aggressively pro-troon, of course. But there really has been a turn and I suspect if current trends continue that it will continue. There will always be people who bought way too much into this and just cant ever abandon it lest their entire worldview collapse, the professional activist people, but its best for everyone if those kinds get silod away from the rest of humanity in general anyway.

Edit to add: Troons and nonbinaries are really a form of lumpenproles, if you think about it. Mostly drug addicts, coomers, and losers. The kind of people old school leftist orgs actively despised.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But what truly made me peak beyond such recently is finding out this guy I know, whos also a creator online, alongside with most if not all of his friends- decided to transition. At once.

Without PLing to much, could you say what sort of area he's a creator in? I'm always curious to see how much different sub-cultures suffer from troonery.

It is not only horrifyingly dystopian to witness, but it's also fucking sad. The dude had so much potential, only to now be in a sex-obsessed cult that teaches you the world is out to get you. If he doesn't get out, he's gonna end up dead by 30 or worse. He might as well say goodbye to his online career, it's not like he hasn't already done fucked up things prior. As terminally online as he is, things are gonna blow up in his face.

I've seen this happen a few times and it's always sad, in the same way that losing a friend to addiction is sad. You end up mourning the person you used to know and try not to think about the monster that stole their skin.

 

[deermeat]

Without PLing to much, could you say what sort of area he's a creator in? I'm always curious to see how much different sub-cultures suffer from troonery.

Horror lol
He's also into breakcore, no surprise there. I don't know if he was interested in breakcore before or after transitioning.
Somewhat unrelated but the breakcore community has a huge and really predatory troon population. It reminds me of the genre Mindless Self Indulgence belongs to, it just always attracts the worst type of people including MSI themselves.

 

[Ser Prize]

@deermeat

I don't know where you'd go about finding one, but I highly recommend a therapist who can help you feel comfortable in your own body. Good on you for seeing the cult for what it is.

 

[Chromeo]

Somewhat unrelated but the breakcore community has a huge and really predatory troon population. It reminds me of the genre Mindless Self Indulgence belongs to, it just always attracts the worst type of people including MSI themselves.

I feel like troons love that harsh edm music because it's easy to shit out with minimal effort past learning how to use the music software. Plus, they're chronically online anyway, might as well make Online Music. You never see otaku of any stripe playing fucking classical or rock, it's always EDM.

 

[glass_houses]

I feel like troons love that harsh edm music because it's easy to shit out with minimal effort past learning how to use the music software. Plus, they're chronically online anyway, might as well make Online Music. You never see otaku of any stripe playing fucking classical or rock, it's always EDM.

That, and drugs. Always chasing that euphoria.

 

[doodoocaca]

Troons fucked their bodies up trying to feel better and run from their problems, which doesn't work, and now they can't even use hypersexuality except in increasingly rare cases, so that leaves drugs and dumb music, the aristofaggots.

 

[ephermeral]

So I was watching a youtuber I like watch a video about a video like the absolute goyslop drinker I am, and stuff in that video made me realize something very dire: This is never going the fuck away.

In the video('s video) the sperg talks about how 'ackshully tranny brains are closer to their desired sex' and it just hit me that this shit is now deeply entrenched in Academia. They actually believe this shit. They paid thousands of dollars a year to get taught this shit.

This is going to be the future going forward. Fuck.

I think that most people are peaking. It's weird you have to feel someone out almost? I was at a work thing and met someone there for the first time, midway through conversation he said, "Oh, I forgot to ask you your pronouns," and we both burst out laughing. Heckin wholesome.

 

[Sissyagamben]

. You are basically playing God, believing reality can be bended by your sheer will. At least when it comes to being gay, it's only "wrong" if you believe in a partiuclar religion saying so. All in all you aren't assuming the role of God, and really what makes people think homosexuality is perverse are the attributes that plague the community in regards to extreme sex positivity- those same attributes not exclusive to gay people.

Spoiler: long ass homo morality autistic word stim

What I’ve observed, as a zellenial?, is that some people are rapidly turning against the homos. I’m seeing people around me (and myself, so selection bias af) who used to be super woke as a teenager/very early 20s, turning first against trannies, then very slowly against homos. Or at least doesn’t think they are all that good and normal as they were made out to be. It really comes down to getting a real solid moral compass. And in many cases that means a religion or plain old traditional values.

I see the plight we are in today being the direct consequences of the “death of God” Nietzsche rambled on about, and it’s reached it final stage (hopefully) where all morality is “deconstructed” and completely relativistic. There aren’t any sexual morality other than a legality of consent, if you want to fuck 10 guys at the same time, sure! If you want to chop off your tits and suck dick for money, sure! As long as all parties agree, right? Being a homo is a part the same sexual immorality. Being homo is playing God, it is saying that we are not designed to reproduce, but to indulge in whatever perverse pleasure. It’s saying we as human get to make our own rules, against that natural innate instinct that says otherwise.

Once you get the assurance that one form of sexual immorality (tranny) is indeed, immoral, then the floodgates are open. Everyone knows it’s all perverse to some degree, and we have been literally brainwashed to think otherwise. No one, woman OR man, is truly happy and content with meaningless hookups. When I was a kid I instinctively knew being homo and a whore is bad, but we were all told that natural feeling is “oppressive” and we need to change the way we feel. I became religious BECAUSE I saw first hand how depraved the lives of homos and whores are. Morality is not just some arbitrary rules or “social construct” or oppression, it’s literally a guideline for how to live. If you live a fag life, it’s gonna suck. If you become a whore, you’re gonna suffer immensely. And if only the suffering stops there. Every single one of them who has chosen a life of sin only keeps going lower and lower to a point most people in the society cannot even fathom. It really works the exact way they told you it would work.

I know some normaller homos with stable jobs who are TERFs, and even quite conservative leaning. But as we get to that age where ppl start to get married and have kids, they seems to still be stuck at that adolescent-21 yo mindset. I mean, most normal people my age still aren’t married or engaged, but when you ask them if they want a family they have a pretty normal response, I’m not ready yet, I gotta get a higher paying job, maybe in 2 yrs, etc etc. But the homos have that super emotional disgusted and caught off guard reaction, some literally shudder, saying shit like ew i never want to have kids. Well, I kinda don’t want they to adopt either way, but that response is definitely not normal or well adjusted. I truly believe now being homo is some mental illness that makes you self-select out of reproduction with a side of narcissism.

 

[doodoocaca]

I became religious BECAUSE I saw first hand how depraved the lives of homos and whores are.

One thing you should also think about, when you think about this, is how many people are being hypersexual, or homosexual, or both, or whatever, as a cope for prior abuse.

We've all seen the memes about how homosexuals are made through child abuse, often child sex abuse. We've all heard or read about how traumatized people whore the fuck out, and so on. It's true. Every single homosexual person I've gotten to know deeply was fucked up as a kid, and then some, and most of the time it's sexual abuse.

Many people traumatized in their teens or as adults stay fairly normal but end up very hypersexual.

They're not just choosing to be "homos or whores" and going woe is me, oh well, they're fucked up and acting out in a fucked up way and they're miserable. There's no intimacy.

The clingiest motherfucker you will ever meet is a gay man after you listen to them spill their beans. It's always the same, too - drugs, fucking, pump and dump, fisting on coke, whatever, but there's no soul, just a mess and waking up alone.

Lesbians have terribly high DV, as we all know. Think about why.

People acting out through kink are trying to have "the most intense intimacy possible". Why is that?

We're a broken society that can't or won't care for those who were hurt the most and they're acting out in a maladaptive way. It's just a bit less cringy than CWC, but still comes from being hurt and isolated.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

And the funny thing is, a lot of homos and troons and genderspecials will often bring up their past as a deflection tactic. Basically say, "How dare you say that about me, I'm a child sex abuse victim, why would you accuse me of that?!" As if that doesn't make OUR point.

What makes you think that your sexuality wasn't affected in some way by the abuse? That you probably would have been less likely to adopt a homosexual or transsexual identity had it never happened? Why do you think it helps your case to mention that you were a CSA victim in response to being accused of being a groomer, as if victims don't have the tendency to victimize others?