Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[Comfy Summer]

So, my first post here, I wanted to post in this thread.

I was raised religious, and soon as I turned teenager I was done with it. One of the things that really got to me was discrimination against LGBT people. It didn't make sense to me why would people be against behavior that doesn't hurt anyone. As I matured I found out I had gay feelings as well, not a big deal. That was me for a long time.

Like 2 years ago I started posting on the /lgbt/ board of 4chan and following some trans people on social media. I found the subject really interesting, I didn't know that much about it before. I had some worries about what they did, but I thought that these people were valid, I should support them as best as I could at the end of the day. I even start debating people on the internet because of it.

The worries started piling up, but I still had in my head that I couldn't stop supporting them just because of it. The peak trans moment where I said "fuck, I'm done with it" was because of this tranny youtuber called NominalNaomil. I respected this person, he debated transphobes and stuff. He called himself "cute", and one of his arguments as to why people should support trannies was because people saw him as a woman, it would make no sense to misgender him from a practical standpoint. I guess I agreed with him, he seemed okay looking enough for a tranny. Then this pic was posted online and it was all over:



What the actual FUCK was this? (Naomi is the pink haired thing). Firstly, he doesn't pass at all, not even close, not even in a million years. I realized how deceptive trannies are, he doesn't look nearly as bad when recording from his room, it was all lies. His body is very manly, not feminine in the slightest. But more importantly, his nipples, oh god. Jesus Christ, who would go in public like this, if not a disgusting immoral pervert? And why the fuck aren't these people calling him out? This is so fucking wrong.

It hit me, of course nobody would criticize him because he is a tranny. So he went to a meeting with a bunch of lefty-faggots and all they could do is think about how disgusting his nipples are, nobody would actually call him out. I realized that this type of behavior is so widespread among trannies. After that I did some research and this Naomi tranny gave his hormone-filled manmilk to a baby while he posted about the same milk on his onlyfans dressed as a cow. How can anyone follow this person after that? Normal people don't associate with perverted exhibitionists whose fetishes involve children.

Then soon after I start browsing Kiwifarms, I started researching more deeply about autogynephilia (4chan trannies swear that this is a totally valid reason to transition). I start following gender-critical people and their arguments completely debunked transgenderism on a rational level. Now I'm very strongly anti-troons.

That photo was posted 10 months ago, and this was great for me honestly. I feel like I don't need to really be a part of the "LGBT community" in any way anymore. For example, I always knew deep down that many gay people are sex pests, but I always made excuses for their behavior. And now I feel like I'm free, I can criticize a bunch of disgusting old men in bondage gear dancing in front of kids, that's how sociopaths act. Just like it's not okay for a porn-brained troon to enter the women's bathroom. I started realizing religion has some good values after all, they are not all just arbitrary rules. We live in a society where people feel completely free to be total hedonists, and that's not healthy for anyone.

 

[boustrophedon]

I think I've always been peaked. Maybe it's because of my being an autistic retard, but I've always considered that things weren't "gendered". From then on the logical conclusion about men using dresses is the obvious. At the time society wasn't so stuck up with the retardedness about "gender".

Naomi is the pink haired thing

Thanks! I wouldn't have realized that if you hadn't stated that clearly. She's very okay looking! and cute!

 

[Comfy Summer]

I think I've always been peaked. Maybe it's because of my being an autistic retard, but I've always considered that things weren't "gendered". From then on the logical conclusion about men using dresses is the obvious. At the time society wasn't so stuck up with the retardedness about "gender".


Thanks! I wouldn't have realized that if you hadn't stated that clearly. She's very okay looking! and cute!

I mean, my gut feeling says there are multiple troons there, so better be clear.

 

[bouquetnine]

I started realizing religion has some good values after all, they are not all just arbitrary rules. We live in a society where people feel completely free to be total hedonists, and that's not healthy for anyone.

This is one of the problems I cannot reconcile with religion. They have the right idea to shun fags, but because they don't know WHY they do it they invite all sorts of dumb midwits that rebel and have to learn for themselves the hard way. There are secular reasons for morality and if our academia wasn't full of LGBTBBQ retards we could talk about them openly.

Specifically on fags:
* Mental illness comes in clusters. Fags are much more likely to have something else wrong with them as well. Pedophilia being a big one.
* They don't have a vested interest in the future. They don't care if their community goes to shit, they don't have kids to inherit it.
* They're carriers of disease. AIDS practically only is transmitted to women via bisexual men.

These points are "homophobic" to discuss so we can't talk about them. Unless you're religious. But "Because God said so" isn't very satisfactory so it doesn't stick among anyone slightly curious.

Christianity is right about a lot of things, but because it cannot articulate why it's not very useful except to the dumbest of drones.

 

[Comfy Summer]

This is one of the problems I cannot reconcile with religion. They have the right idea to shun fags, but because they don't know WHY they do it they invite all sorts of dumb midwits that rebel and have to learn for themselves the hard way. There are secular reasons for morality and if our academia wasn't full of LGBTBBQ retards we could talk about them openly.

Specifically on fags:
* Mental illness comes in clusters. Fags are much more likely to have something else wrong with them as well. Pedophilia being a big one.
* They don't have a vested interest in the future. They don't care if their community goes to shit, they don't have kids to inherit it.
* They're carriers of disease. AIDS practically only is transmitted to women via bisexual men.

These points are "homophobic" to discuss so we can't talk about them. Unless you're religious. But "Because God said so" isn't very satisfactory so it doesn't stick among anyone slightly curious.

Christianity is right about a lot of things, but because it cannot articulate why it's not very useful except to the dumbest of drones.

Sure, you can make secular moral arguments against anything. I just think there are many people that need some system that gives them some discipline, some order in their lives. Being a fag doesn't negatively affect my life because I know about the risks and dangers, I know how to control myself, but there are people who obviously can't and let their libidos destroy their lives and the lives of others. In that case yeah, I'm starting to think it'd be better for them to be religious and deny their most primitive instincts in order to seek virtue.

 

[The Morning Visitor]

Christianity is right about a lot of things, but because it cannot articulate why it's not very useful except to the dumbest of drones.

Probably the best, non-Reddit critique of Christianity.

When you say that Sodom and Gomorrah's sin was homosex, and you say that homosex shouldn't be done because God finds it to be an abomination (which is just a giant appeal to authority), it's not convincing to people of other faiths or no faith why homosex should be shunned. When you say that the people of Sodom were a bunch of dopamine-desensitized coprophagic rapist degenerates, and that two men lying with each other is often comorbid with venereal disease and various paraphilias (including illegal/unethical ones like pedophilia and zoophilia), it becomes a lot clearer to non-Christians, whom may not share in your faith but still believe in fair principles such as mutual benefit and protecting children/animals.

The parable of Sodom and Gomorrah contains a bit of wisdom for the modern world on the dangers of unrestricted hedonism and selfishness, but it's ultimately not backed up by much more than "dad says it's bad". This can be mitigated a bit by focusing on Sodom's inhospitality rather than their homosexuality, but it's always good to understand why certain behaviors such as sodomy and female promiscuity have been frowned upon since before the invention of writing. The sooner we can return to verbal "fag-bashing" and slut-shaming, the better.

 

[bouquetnine]

When you say that the people of Sodom were a bunch of dopamine-desensitized coprophagic rapist degenerates, and that two men lying with each other is often comorbid with venereal disease and various paraphilias (including illegal/unethical ones like pedophilia and zoophilia), it becomes a lot clearer

It's also important to note that some of these behaviors are instinctual. The sight of two men kissing is, to most people, repulsive. Why is that so? Evolution has selected for these instincts because evolution has taught us that homosexuality is dangerous. Not just personally, to the community. These instincts is enough to reinforce "dad says it's bad" for some people.

We can examine why these behaviors may have evolved (your quoted text above) to better understand these instincts and if they should be reinforced or avoided.

 

[boustrophedon]

I just think there are many people that need some system that gives them some discipline, some order in their lives.

but there are people who obviously can't

Something that astounds me about the perpetual current year is exactly this. There's a lack of accountability to an astounding degree, and a lot of the societal costs of such lifestyle choices are externalized.

A lot of people act as if "it can't be helped", and this is with a lot of stuff. Brown man raping? he can't be helped, he's an immigrant. Crossdressing man threatens with suicide if we don't pay his cosmetic surgery out of the taxpayers' pocket? he can't be helped, he's dysphoric. Hell, even the current debates around Roe v. Wade sidestepped the "just don't open your legs" argument completely and jumped to "it's a reproductive right, because uhmmm I deserve it".

It's not that hard to have SOME impulse control at least, but society lately acts as if it is outright evil to expect your peers to behave in a civilized manner. It's almost expected that you *have* to act according to every last impulse, and not doing so is fascist.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

Mental illness comes in clusters. Fags are much more likely to have something else wrong with them as well

In my eyes the mental illness gay people tend to experience comes from isolation, only 5% of the population is gay so that's 1/20 people, divide that by gender you get 1/40. That's going to mess with someone.

Pedophilia being a big one

A counterargument I tend to hear is that pedophiles aren't picky about a childs gender but rather the dynamic between them. Not sure how well that holds up though. Thoughts?

 

[Chandelier]

The worries started piling up, but I still had in my head that I couldn't stop supporting them just because of it. The peak trans moment where I said "fuck, I'm done with it" was because of this tranny youtuber called NominalNaomil.

Nominal Naomi is the one who got internet famous for "breastfeeding" his infant, with other troons like Alex Caraballo backing him up. This led to a debate on whether that nipple pus was sufficient nutrition for said infant - spoiler: it isn't, it's basically watery hormone slop and does not change consistency based on the infant's needs - and Naomi walked away smug.

I've mentioned I was peaked with Bill C-16 in Canada, but the thing that got to me was when troons nailed dead rats to the Vancouver rape relief shelter and got its funding pulled. This was during the 2016-2018 era, where the only notable Troon was Jessica Yaniv and you could NOT shit talk him on the internet. Now there are a fuckton of troons and more TERFs are around, thanks to Magdalene Berns. That woman really did do a lot deconstructing trans arguments.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

I'm not fond of how trans people have tried and failed to act like an essential part of the gay rights movement. Were they part of it? Yes, but so were pedophiles, bugchasers, and giftgivers.

 

[Sandshrew]

I'm not fond of how trans people have tried and failed to act like an essential part of the gay rights movement. Were they part of it? Yes, but so were pedophiles, bugchasers, and giftgivers.

They also rewrite history completely to fit their narratives. They claim historical women who pretended to be men (in order not face discrimination as a lesbian or to pursue careers) are transgender/nonbinary. And Marsha P Johnson wasn't the "first one to riot at Stonewall" like they claim, it was a butch lesbian named Storme DeLarverie that did.

Marsha P Johnson also wasn't a modern transwoman. He was a gay man drag queen. I doubt he would have tried to join women's sports teams or try to go to women's restrooms.

A lot of historical crossdressers weren't delusional like modern ones to believe they were actually indistinguishable from the gender they were trying to emulate.

 

[gay porn is the best porn]

Marsha P Johnson also wasn't a modern transwoman. He was a gay man drag queen.

I was gonna mention that too, Drag is a form of art and transgenderism is a mental illness

 

[bouquetnine]

A counterargument I tend to hear is that pedophiles aren't picky about a childs gender but rather the dynamic between them. Not sure how well that holds up though. Thoughts?

"Did the homosexuality cause the pedophilia or did the pedophilia cause the homosexuality?" Does it matter? As I said, these are frequently comorbid. If someone shows signs of one there is a large chance they have the other. Keeping gays out of the Boy Scouts is a reasonable precaution.

I'm not fond of how trans people have tried and failed to act like an essential part of the gay rights movement.

A lot of historical crossdressers weren't delusional like modern ones to believe they were actually indistinguishable from the gender they were trying to emulate.

Modern trannies aren't much at all like the old trannies. Modern trannies are narcissistic crybullies. They co-opt everything they can to make themselves look like a large and intimidating group, including even transgenderism; old trannies were suffering a more serious mental illness not unlike Body Identity Integrity Disorder. Trannies took many things such as crossdressing, twinks, tomboys, drag, intersex conditions, futanari, and more to make them part of trannydom.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

This is one of the problems I cannot reconcile with religion. They have the right idea to shun fags, but because they don't know WHY they do it they invite all sorts of dumb midwits that rebel and have to learn for themselves the hard way. There are secular reasons for morality and if our academia wasn't full of LGBTBBQ retards we could talk about them openly.

I think it was for this very reason why the LGBTQ fought so hard to make the point that it was a purely religious issue. If we've got a separation of church and state, and people imposing their religious beliefs onto others is a violation of the 1st Amendment, then that means it's unconstitutional to treat homosexuality any differently than heterosexuality. Any refusal of the government to recognize gay marriage, and especially laws against sodomy, are thus unconstitutional.

If anything, the LGBTQ is even more aggressive and vicious in the face of purely nonreligious arguments against their degeneracy, because they obviously see it as a bigger threat.

At the risk of digressing, that's the problem with so called "militant atheism". Their biggest motivation for being aggressively anti-religious is that they mistakenly believe that religion is what's stopping them from doing whatever yucky things makes their tummies (or their dicks) happy. Even though any sane, normal, healthy person probably shouldn't even need to believe in God in order to instinctively realize that those things are morally wrong.

"What??? What do you mean I shouldn't parade out in public dressed in fetish gear? What do you mean I'm a sicko for thinking that sex changes for children is such a wonderful thing? What are you, a fundamentalist christian?????"

 

[bouquetnine]

"What??? What do you mean I shouldn't parade out in public dressed in fetish gear? What do you mean I'm a sicko for thinking that sex changes for children is such a wonderful thing? What are you, a fundamentalist christian?????"

The secular reasons for not doing these things are "fascist", which is their other favorite boogeyman. And they are so militant against fascism precisely because "fascists" are extremely persuasive. Gee, maybe because they're right? They know they cannot debate them in a free forum and thus have to rely on intimidation and deplatforming.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Hello. I haven't read the thread, and by that I will apologise beforehand.

That out of the way, I would like to ask something: before 2010s, we had the phenomena of homosexuals in general through society - wonderful. Perhaps we can incorporate crossdressers in there because why the fuck not. Yet, I would like to ask: What would encourage said people to engage in acts as such?

Through 1933 to 1991 and beyond, there is the plausible deniability of the Cold War and its societal effects of Frankfurt School of thought and Deconstructivism/Cultural Marxism which affected Western Societies, the "Long March towards Institutions", you could say, that influenced the many things - especially the "Rights" movement through 1960s.
Yet, there were still deviants through 19th, 18th centuries and such. Was it part of the Enlightenment - as I'm almost sure it was? Substitution of a secular law as opposed to religious law? One wonders what could cause it, as the media - especially from the early 2000s would have you believe the "born this way" teaching. Yet even if we erase the "trendiness factor", what causes faggots to go after men and become "hypersexual"?

I guess it is hard to know, but there will always be the "village creep".

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I guess it is hard to know, but there will always be the "village creep".

A pretty easy guess is mad scientists like Kinsey and Money. They were mentally ill people who desperately wanted to believe that everyone was as sick and as broken as they were, and if they weren't, they wanted to drag all of society down to their level by promoting their junk "science."

I think that's why until recently, human society was so quick to curbstomp anyone who became a little bit too open about their degeneracy. It was to make an example out of them.

 

[The Ugly One]

This is one of the problems I cannot reconcile with religion. They have the right idea to shun fags, but because they don't know WHY they do it they invite all sorts of dumb midwits that rebel and have to learn for themselves the hard way. There are secular reasons for morality and if our academia wasn't full of LGBTBBQ retards we could talk about them openly.

Most people aren't smart enough to reason any more deeply than, "Because God says so, you degenerate." If they were, they wouldn't leap immediately from "there's no God" to "we should let cross-dressing pedophiles teach your kids about butt sex."