Why host dox? - On the "utilitarian value" of hosting dox

[glow]

In fairness, in first world countries, it usually isn't possible to get someone's address (from their voter registration) directly from some people-finder website for free, you have to pay some service intended for PIs that is semi-illegal and priced like it. That only happens in America.

Furthermore there are leaked data sets from data breaches that can be either purchased with cryptocurrency or sometimes just accessed for free. If you learn someone's reasonably common name, you can deduce which user this is within that leaked data set (for example, there might be a dozen entries but only a few are near a city they mentioned). With a few data sets and a little brain power you can put together a lot when you started with only a little.

My view is that posting addresses and phone numbers goes too far. However, doxing is part of the culture of this website and you have to take the good with the bad. We enjoy some of the freest speech on the internet here, even though I don't always like what others choose to do with that.

 

[JoshPlz]

In fairness, in first world countries, it usually isn't possible to get someone's address (from their voter registration) directly from some people-finder website for free, you have to pay some service intended for PIs that is semi-illegal and priced like it. That only happens in America.

By personal information I obviously mean stuff like real name, address, phone number, work email and photos.
You wouldn't be able to look up someones voter registration without that.
Making a reasonable effort to separate real life and online presence like that used to be common sense.

Of course data leaks from hacked services could fuck someone over despite his best efforts, which is unfortunate. There is also social engineering, but I doubt that people are willing to go through all that effort unless someone is a seriously annoying or entertaining sperg.

From what I have seen, the vast majority of doxing happens because people carelessly revealed the information themselves.

 

[TheNazgulKing]

By personal information I obviously mean real name, address, phone number, work email, photos, videos, voice recordings.
You wouldn't be able to look up someones voter registration without that.
Making a reasonable effort to separate real life and online presence like that used to be common sense.

Of course data leaks from hacked services could fuck someone over despite his best efforts, which is unfortunate. There is also social engineering, but I doubt that people are willing to go through all that effort unless someone is a seriously annoying or entertaining sperg.

From what I have seen, the vast majority of doxing happens because people carelessly revealed the information themselves.

I've been doxed multiple times in my online career, and have yet to receive so much as a prank call. Keffals gets bomb threats, Bex Gerber gets stalkers, Rabbit Cohen gets raped annually by people in Kiwi masks yelling "SNEED, BITCH, SNEED." I don't even get a pizza.

You definitely should put a few layers between your trolling accounts and your real identity and workplace. But like many Kiwi Farms complaints, the actual dangers of being doxed have been greatly exaggerated by people who needed an excuse to get evidence of their embarrassing behavior suppressed.

 

[JoshPlz]

Another point for hosting dox would be the entertainment value. Instead of using common sense and not feeding the trolls, retarded weirdos absolutely lose their shit and start coping, dilating and seething in the most unreasonable and deranged ways possible.

Example:
John Dimitriadis has been obsessively posting about KF all day, every day for weeks. He is also really angry at this thread:

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By personal information I obviously mean stuff like real name, address, phone number, work email and photos.
You wouldn't be able to look up someones voter registration without that.
Making a reasonable effort to separate real life and online presence like that used to be common sense.

Real name and date of birth (even without year) is often enough to get to an address- in the US.

 

[Unexpected Genitals]

As long as all information in the "dox" was obtained from public postings, then I don't see a problem with it. Granted, lolcows that are mostly harmless don't deserve to be harassed, and we should always condemn that kind of behavior. But people like a certain troon, who are disgusting and dangerous, shouldn't get to hide their online self from the people around them.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Once upon a time, everyone was doxxed by Yellowpages and nobody gave a shit because everyone knew Yellowpages was not liable for what people did with that information. Bots, robocalls, phishers, and indians have become overtly perverted in their tactics to scam the population. A rising population of pathetic individuals who hide behind technology use the info for harassment, which the forum has never condoned because it interferes with enjoyment.

The solution isn't hiding the doxes, as the problem is and always has been those who abuse the information-- the lack of laws and law enforcement. The information is publicly accessible and should remain publicly accessible. There needs to be more ways to identify those who DO harass.

 

[Haramburger]

Doxing is funny, like a joke, and like jokes everybody has a different standard of what's offensive and what's not. I refuse all other personal definitions other than what I know; that you are fat and rent a shitty apartment in Pennsylvania, and saying so out loud(as it were on the internet) makes me laugh. If that bothers you, don't come to my comedy set on kiwifarms.net and stop trying to prevent others from coming in to laugh with me.

 

[Caesare]

Real name and date of birth (even without year) is often enough to get to an address- in the US.

Occasionally, but usually those addresses will be several years out of date. Often, they'll be flat out wrong. For instance, I live in Brooklyn, New York when I google my name. I've never lived in New York.

 

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Occasionally, but usually those addresses will be several years out of date. Often, they'll be flat out wrong. For instance, I live in Brooklyn, New York when I google my name. I've never lived in New York.

Online aggregators can be useful sometimes, but if I knew your name and DOB, I'd use a google search for 'site:mylife.com mm/dd/yyyy first last' and also the search engine that's built on actual NYS and New Jersey voter records to check it. If you did come up as having lived in one of those states in the last couple years, I'd then use the online voter registration check site for the state to check it. Easy as.

Most other states would be similarly easy. Maybe I would have to pay $2 to whatever has replaced Raidforums to get a state voter list. Simple.

 

[Marvin]

Part of gossip is knowing who the person is. It's not gossip if I tell my friend that Maryland has dogfuckers. But it is gossip if I tell him that a specific dogfucker got arrested for dogfucking in Maryland and this is his username and he's in the marines.

I guess gossip can be meaningful for prominent online personalities without connection to their irl lives. But I think it makes it less interesting.

A lot of the time, lolcow threads are enhanced by knowing how pathetic they are irl.

Or alternatively, it'd be nice to know the guy who works at the starbucks across town is a huge lolcow and I can go dig through his thread. I never intend on approaching them or doing anything to them. But just knowing what a goofy loser they are, both online and irl, makes it that much more amusing.

Anti KF people can't admit that there are other reasons for this information short of terrorism or harassment. The thing is, they dox and out people all the time. Like when LibsOfTikTok was doxed, they loved that shit. They just can't recognize the cringe in their side, so the only possible reason remaining to dox their side is harassment.

And finally, many lolcows are politically active, whether openly as lolcows or closeted.

Like Tony Reed. I went down to the courthouse and pulled the court records of his divorce from his wife. Dude's active politically. People should know he was court ordered not to wear his ex wife's clothing.

That information is publicly accessible court records, just like many other forms of dox people complain about. Was it wrong for me to aggregate it on KF? Should we stash that info elsewhere?

 

[Pelican Bones]

Let's clear something up here. It's not the doxing that these people have a problem with. It's the fact that the site compiles and archives their online and otherwise very public bullshit. The dox stuff is just a useful attack vector for them to try to get the site removed.

Stop playing along with their game.

 

[President Tonald Drump]

Let's clear something up here. It's not the doxing that these people have a problem with. It's the fact that the site compiles and archives their online and otherwise very public bullshit. The dox stuff is just a useful attack vector for them to try to get the site removed.

Stop playing along with their game.

by that reasoning isn't arguing to keep their attack vector (hosting dox), just playing along with their game?

 

[Pelican Bones]

by that reasoning isn't arguing to keep their attack vector (hosting dox), just playing along with their game?

Having polls that say "uwu maybe doxxxing is weally bad guiz" is playing along with their game. Leaving posts for trannies to screenshot that say "maybe we really are bad for doxing" is playing along with their game. Pretending like "maybe they have a point" is playing along with their game.

There will be no amount of information you could remove that they will no longer say it's doxing. There will be no stopping them until every reference to troonshine, consent accident, and amhole is gone. It will ALL become "doxing" to them.

Capitulating to these retards once will lead to ever greater capitulation. Stop giving credence to their attack vector because they will only use what you say against you.

 

[Fascist Frederick]

Doxing is only half of the equation, the other half is being a retarded asshole online that makes people want to use your dox against you... you might not be able to control the first half, but you certainly can control the second half.

 

[FunPosting101]

Personally, I think posting stuff like phone numbers and addresses is too much, and too likely to be abused by people who might want to do something criminal to the person who was doxed. I also think the best solution would be to make details like that only visible to members of the site instead of every random fuckwad who comes on here, but this site isn't even working for me on the clearnet right now; so the problem is trivial at the moment. Most people have no idea how to use TOR and will likely not bother learning just because they really hate somebody.

 

[Not A Skinwalker]

Personally, I think posting stuff like phone numbers and addresses is too much, and too likely to be abused by people who might want to do something criminal to the person who was doxed. I also think the best solution would be to make details like that only visible to members of the site instead of every random fuckwad who comes on here, but this site isn't even working for me on the clearnet right now; so the problem is trivial at the moment. Most people have no idea how to use TOR and will likely not bother learning just because they really hate somebody.

that 's already the policy, retard.

 

[Carpalorbit]

The farms is already seen as a middleman to harassment campaigns, though thus far nobody of consequence has been inconvenienced by what goes on here.

The instant KF is implicated in something involving somebody politically important is when shit really hits the fan.

 

[PositiveMonk]

The farms is already seen as a middleman to harassment campaigns, though thus far nobody of consequence has been inconvenienced by what goes on here.

The instant KF is implicated in something involving somebody politically important is when shit really hits the fan.

My nigger I still remember seeing fox news mention @AltisticRight by name on TV. The farms has absolutely already been involved with politically important people.

 

[Carpalorbit]

My nigger I still remember seeing fox news mention @AltisticRight by name on TV. The farms has absolutely already been involved with politically important people.

Being mentioned on Faux News =/= politically important.