[X-Post] Closure of the CWCki Forum's Private Discussion Board

[Venusaur]

This will be our mascot
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Seriously. Kiwis are fucking awesome. I would not object to this being the new face of the forums:

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[silky]

I'm curious who was doing this. Not their dox, but their forum identities.

Same here. I'm also curious about what the fuck happened to the no trolling rule.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I don't really see the harm in allowing continued discussion of Chris - if we're going to say "don't talk about Chris because he's pathetic," then we might as well say the same about other lolcows online.

Winding down the trolling is fine by me because let's be honest, all his best content in recent months has been produced by him alone, most notably the eBay saga and his idiosyncratic attempts at getting into the LGBT scene. As for the in-depth trolling, what did we actually get? It seemed to me that we wound up with pretty minimal content, a lot of speculation and a lot of "no you can't talk about this" from admins.

 

[Alex Krycek]

The Sonichu forum should remain up at least until CWC Adult Life chronicles is done. They put a good amount of work into the project and I bet this forum is the main source of exposure they could feasibly receive unless they had another outlet. At least until episode 1 is done anyway.

 

[The I Scream Man]

I'm firmly in the "leave things as they are" camp, honestly. Without this secret discussion board and all this clandestine stuff thats been going on in the background, I still don't think there'll be much of a difference regarding what we get from Chris. Just because we've beaten him into submission (which I kind of doubt, honestly) doesn't mean we can't still be the Cwcki Forums. Although Kiwi Farm is an amazing name and has an amazing connotation, at the end of the day Chris-Chan is still our patron saint, and I don't think you even had to post any of this Null. We wouldn't have noticed the difference.

I don't know, I just feel like we're shutting down and I haven't put actual effort and energy into a forum in a while, and if we do I'll miss yall for real.

 

[champthom]

Here's a post I made in the original thread on the matter, it might shed some things to light:

It takes a big man to admit he's wrong and I salute you for that Null.

I'll be honest, I should have stepped in at certain points myself, as "no trolling" was the credo I came up with for here. My sentiment was that I didn't feel like Chris trolling was monopolized and if someone had an idea, I wasn't going to actively block them but just discourage them for various reasons. This was also still when people were bitching about content being "hoarded" and people deciding to be active about the matter didn't seem bad. I wasn't totally against the idea of this board as at the time they were sending PMs to various people and a board seemed to make sense in coordinating things.

I was one of the people who stopped following the forum because of the web of personas. There were certain times I felt uncomfortable with aspects as well - I know for a fact Mimms was pissed off that one of the VIPs was impersonating them and Chris was going on about Mimms when Mimms just wants nothing to do with Chris anymore. I wasn't crazy about digging through Chris's trash to get content - sure, it's legal but it's still very...creepy. I'm impressed they got through with Chris but my feeling is that they did a lot of things Marvin or any of the other trolls I know wouldn't really use with Chris and to what degree or at least to do so at this point and time in Chris's life.

If people really want to go through the effort of trolling Chris, I won't actively stop them but I would strongly discourage them and I never wanted this forum to be a place to discuss trolling plans because most of them are pretty stupid and because it attracts a certain type of person who enjoys seeing someone get trolled. I'm not saying [the persons involved] are sociopaths, but I think the type of person who actively wants to troll Chris especially now usually isn't the sanest person.

I am impressed they got through to Chris, I am glad they decided to at least get some kind of feedback from people like Marvin and Alec and to consult the staff on how to handle it on the forums here but again, I completely agree with Null's sentiments in regards to what cost this effort came to.

 

[BT 075]

The Sonichu forum should remain up at least until CWC Adult Life chronicles is done. They put a good amount of work into the project and I bet this forum is the main source of exposure they could feasibly receive unless they had another outlet. At least until episode 1 is done anyway.

Let's not draw any hasty conclusions from the fact that a single, hidden sub-forum will be closed down. We had a no-trolling rule before, it went away for a while and now it's back again from what I can tell. So we can just stay here and have a chill forum discussing the King of Lolcows, Chris, and other funny internet people like him. Just because there will be no more trolling (which to me, seems like a positive development) does not mean there can be no discussion of Chris. We got a good thing going here. Never change a winning team.

There are many other Lolcows to discuss. There's Jace, there's the Golden Knight, and an almost unlimited amount of SJW-fuckery and Tumblr silliness to keep people entertained. We got a chill community, good moderation and lots of creative folks creating awesome stuff. There's something for everyone, and the forums work fine this way. The death of a secret forum nobody knew about shouldn't result in the death of public forums that probably will function fine without it.

 

[The I Scream Man]

Let's not draw any hasty conclusions from the fact that a single, hidden sub-forum will be closed down. We had a no-trolling rule before, it went away for a while and now it's back again from what I can tell. So we can just stay here and have a chill forum discussing the King of Lolcows, Chris, and other funny internet people like him. Just because there will be no more trolling (which to me, seems like a positive development) does not mean there can be no discussion of Chris. We got a good thing going here. Never change a winning team.

So why does it feel like this is setting a bad precedent? I don't know, something about all this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't know, ignore me. I just know that I've learned an awful lot and laughed an awful lot on this forum, and I don't want it to go away anytime soon.

 

[Ian Brandon Something]

Suggestion: release content on 25th December rather than January

And we'll all have a merry CWCmas

 

[EI 903]

Suggestion: release content on 25th December rather than January

And we'll all have a merry CWCmas

Please don't. Moderation will be crap with Christmas going on, and the board will get a tidal wave of shit that will be hard to clean up without janitors around.

 

[champthom]

From my discussion with Null, unless I'm horribly misunderstanding him, I think his intention is just to shift the focus from being purely about Chris with lolcows on the side to just general lolcows with Chris being included. We had another thread on this and people didn't seem totally opposed to it. I have no problem with it, provided that there's still a place to talk about Chris because someone, somewhere will want to talk about Chris and I don't want them to do it on the CWCki itself as it's a bitch to go through edits of people going on about Chris.

The original post Null made was just about shutting down a private subforum which was mostly being used to coordinate trolling Chris. Obviously people still want to talk about Chris and I initially set up the forum for people to do so because there really wasn't anywhere else to do it.

I do like the name Kiwi Forums. I know they call us that on /cow/ but I also like kiwi birds. They can't fly but they're kinda adorable. The CWCki name in the forums was mostly just to get people to use the forums initially, and to suggest that the discussion would be held to similar standards on the CWCki itself.

 

[Null]

From my discussion with Null, unless I'm horribly misunderstanding him, I think his intention is just to shift the focus from being purely about Chris with lolcows on the side to just general lolcows with Chris being included. We had another thread on this and people didn't seem totally opposed to it. I have no problem with it, provided that there's still a place to talk about Chris because someone, somewhere will want to talk about Chris and I don't want them to do it on the CWCki itself as it's a bitch to go through edits of people going on about Chris.

The original post Null made was just about shutting down a private subforum which was mostly being used to coordinate trolling Chris. Obviously people still want to talk about Chris and I initially set up the forum for people to do so because there really wasn't anywhere else to do it.

I do like the name Kiwi Forums. I know they call us that on /cow/ but I also like kiwi birds. They can't fly but they're kinda adorable. The CWCki name in the forums was mostly just to get people to use the forums initially, and to sugg
est that the discussion would be held to similar standards on the CWCki itself.

The board would look more like this.

 

[EI 903]

I like that a lot better than the current layout

 

[P-Logic]

Null, I agree with everything you said. We've had our disagreements in the past but I am very glad to see you taking this step. Well done.

While I, like everyone else probably, am curious about what this content is going to be like, I think it's pretty sad the lengths that people have gone to torture a very sad and pathetic man. It was one thing torturing an arrogant, selfish young autistic guy with a ridiculously inflated opinion of himself, but to poke this broken, empty shell with a stick seems pretty sick. Almost sociopathic.

The fact that Canine (a.k.a. Marvin) wants to take this type of discussion elsewhere is pretty despicable to me, and suggests to me that perhaps he has some personal issues to deal with. I think he's right to keep the CWCki up, but it should serve merely as a public archive of the hilarity of the past. Cogsdev is right, this shit is over. Or at least it should be. Canine should find a more productive hobby, and (in my opinion) have a serious rethink about his life.

 

[QueenMegan]

Kiwi Farms or bust.

Please don't. Moderation will be crap with Christmas going on, and the board will get a tidal wave of shit that will be hard to clean up without janitors around.

Nothing fills you with the holiday spirit quite like shitposting.

 

[The Dude]

Viva la Kiwi Farms!

Until Chris no longer has any web presence people are going to troll him. I don't agree with that since I think he's funniest when he's doing things on his own, but people are always going to troll him. I support the focus of the forums shifting from being mostly about Chris and being a general lolcow forum, with Chris having his own sub-forum like GK and Jace. I've felt this should be the case for months, I've just never been vocal about it.

Null, it takes guts to open up like this and have this kind of transparency and I commend you being honest with us. The easy path would have just been to shut down the private forum and kept everything quiet, but you took the high road and I commend you for it.

I'm glad this doesn't mean we're shutting down the forums completely. We've got a great and unique community here and I'd hate to see that go away. There are enough interesting people on the internet to discuss that we don't need the primary focus to be on just one of them.

 

[Null]

Null, I agree with everything you said. We've had our disagreements in the past but I am very glad to see you taking this step. Well done.

While I, like everyone else probably, am curious about what this content is going to be like, I think it's pretty sad the lengths that people have gone to torture a very sad and pathetic man. It was one thing torturing an arrogant, selfish young autistic guy with a ridiculously inflated opinion of himself, but to poke this broken, empty shell with a stick seems pretty sick. Almost sociopathic.

The fact that Canine (a.k.a. Marvin) wants to take this type of discussion elsewhere is pretty despicable to me, and suggests to me that perhaps he has some personal issues to deal with. I think he's right to keep the CWCki up, but it should serve merely as a public archive of the hilarity of the past. Cogsdev is right, this shit is over. Or at least it should be. Canine should find a more productive hobby, and (in my opinion) have a serious rethink about his life.

Marvin had very little to do with the goings on of the board. Same for Alec. They contributed opinions and suggestions. I think they were observing the natural direction of the board as much as they were Chris.

I am aware that super old school people hold some negative feelings about Marvin, but I've rarely had any issues with him personally and what has happened was resolved without any long-term problems. He exemplifies the concept of being informative without egomania (a la DeagleDad and Introman) and can be very easy to get along with. His personal life and history matter little to me because his impact on the forum is overwhelmingly positive. Nothing he's done has ever registered as psychopathic or obsessive. He just treats Chris like a hobby and lets things happen as they would.


A reaction I'm seeing that concerns me is a sort of witch hunt mentality. I censored names for this reason. Marvin didn't do anything morally objectionable, Alec didn't either. Those who did do things were encouraged by me in the ways I've described. I think it's important the people understand a lot of what transpired would not have happened without my cheer leading. This is the end of a personal arch as much as it is a chapter for the forum. I'd like to see bygones be bygones.

 

[EI 873]

This is the end of a personal arch as much as it is a chapter for the forum. I'd like to see bygones be bygones.

Null saga! Yes? No? ... I'll show myself out.

(Seriously though, thanks for all the background information. That does help explain things.)

 

[Holdek]

Same here. I'm also curious about what the fuck happened to the no trolling rule.

That was only applied to the public boards.

 

[Null]

I will re-clarify the no trolling rule soon.

The rule isn't:
"No trolling."

The rule is:
"Don't embarrass me or piss me off with your dumb shit."

There is no black and white qualifier to what I will accept. The rule of thumb is, don't do it. If you choose to ignore that and do it anyways, don't suck. If you suck, don't use your forum name. If you suck, use your forum name, get found out, and piss me off, I will not be happy.