Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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It's not directly related to corona-chan but looks like Ontario will go a step further beyond the vaccine passport with the digital ID program.



I think some hackers already rub their hands in the style of the Happy Merchant.
Estonia already had their digital ID system hacked several times so it's literally only a matter of time before this goes horribly wrong, especially if they're tying medical records with it. (This isn't the Cyberpunk future I wanted guys wtf)
 
I suppose by this time next year after you spooge inside a fertile woman you immediately have to squirt a turkey baster full of Fauci nanotechnology juice right into her womb and administer you own Covid shot into your urethra to combat the vicious Kfmdm-depeche mode variant.
A hologram of Fauci will emerge rubbing his hands together Mr Burns style, saying “Yes, yes” out of your Amazon-Taco Bell Facebook smart cockring.
 
No surprise at all. Expect to see many more such incidents.


As Barney Gumble might said: "it begins!".
 
No. Ventilators are actually quite effective at dealing with respiratory paralysis. Prior to effective antivenom, and even in conjunction with effective antivenom vents are extremely helpful in keeping people alive through critical phases from bites of certain cobra & Australian elapid snake bites that cause respiratory paralysis (via neurotoxin).
I would assume their use to extends to other respiratory impairment as well.

The issue is, based on the data coming out how most people going on vents for COVID end up dead anyways, it is safe to reason that (generally speaking) ventilators don't work for COVID.
COVID has more to do with inflammation of the lungs, tissue damage, fluid flooding and reduced ability to uptake oxygen than it does "physically unable to operate".

Why they keep using them? I don't know, I'm just a silly field biologist and not a medical doctor (or administrator, since they apparently have even more power than the docs do).


You're right about everything else, but this is actually the opposite.
More people had the Coof than Branch Covidians would like to admit. Its harder to trace an airborne virus where 20-40% of its carriers will be outright asymptomatic and the majority of its carriers only a mild illness.

That's why there is such a discrepancy between CFR (Case Fatality Rate) and IFR (Infection Lethality Rate). Basically, 1 in 50 recorded cases of COVID results in a death, but recorded cases are biased towards symptomatic and hospitalized patients. However, roughly 1 in 400 to 1 in 500 people who actually catch COVID end up dying from it when you estimate for unrecorded infections based on antibody/seroprevalence data.

I was about to disagree with this post and then I read that you're in Europe.
Americans who expatriate to Europe are an entirely different breed than those who decide to spend the rest of their days in some beach town in Asia or Latin America.



In other news I'm still having trouble finding a clinic willing to write me vaccine exemption note (in Florida of all places), though some seem unwilling more because I've never been a patient and less that they outright refuse to do it for patients.

The temptation to just fake the fucking card is growing...
They cant ask to see it anyway so who cares.
 
The issue is, based on the data coming out how most people going on vents for COVID end up dead anyways, it is safe to reason that (generally speaking) ventilators don't work for COVID.
COVID has more to do with inflammation of the lungs, tissue damage, fluid flooding and reduced ability to uptake oxygen than it does "physically unable to operate".
My entirely uneducated guess is this: when you're still capable of physically breathing, you will be constantly fighting against the ventilator with your own muscles. This will place immense strain on your body, which is capable of exerting significant pressure when it wants to. This could be why it causes things like pulmonary oedema; if you try to breath in as the vent is extracting air from your lungs, you will create an intense pressure difference, potentially enough to force fluid into the lungs.

Someone who is paralysed won't be able to "fight" the ventilator, so they won't suffer these problems, or at least not to a fatal extent.
 
My entirely uneducated guess is this: when you're still capable of physically breathing, you will be constantly fighting against the ventilator with your own muscles. This will place immense strain on your body, which is capable of exerting significant pressure when it wants to. This could be why it causes things like pulmonary oedema; if you try to breath in as the vent is extracting air from your lungs, you will create an intense pressure difference, potentially enough to force fluid into the lungs.

Someone who is paralysed won't be able to "fight" the ventilator, so they won't suffer these problems, or at least not to a fatal extent.
Idk if Denniger is right, but according to him when covid gets serious it's an oxygation problem not an actual breathing problem. So yes the ventilator "helps" you breath but the inflammation in your lungs means your body isn't actually oxygenation your blood like it's supposed to therefore vents don't do anything. It isn't that vents are killing people, it's just that they are useless as they aren't treating the actual problem. So to be put on a vent means you are so far gone that the vent isn't going to help and since that's the only thing the hospital is getting paid to do it's pretty much a death sentence.

According to Denniger.
 
It isn't that vents are killing people, it's just that they are useless as they aren't treating the actual problem. So to be put on a vent means you are so far gone that the vent isn't going to help and since that's the only thing the hospital is getting paid to do it's pretty much a death sentence.

According to Denniger.

Isn't the whole process of being put on the ventilator incredibly traumatic, both physically and mentally?

I found someone's Covid ventilator experience here, and it doesn't sound too pleasant: https://creakyjoints.org/living-with-arthritis/being-on-ventilator-worst-experience/

Personally speaking, I would say being on a ventilator ranks as one of the worst experiences of my life. The thought of having to rely on one again has definitely deterred me from leaving my home.

To give you an idea of the process, patients are intubated before being placed on a ventilator. Patients may or may not be asleep during this process, which involves “having an endotracheal tube placed in the mouth or nose and threaded down into the airway. This tube has a small inflatable gasket which is inflated to hold the tube in place. The ventilator is attached to the tube and the ventilator provides “breaths” to the patient,” according to Verywell Health.

Although patients are typically sedated after being put on a ventilator to help keep them calm and comfortable, it doesn’t always work because they may feel the tube and the air being pushed into their lungs.

I remember everything about the process even though the anesthesiologist tried to pretend I wouldn’t remember it. Lauren Agoratus, from the Statewide Parents Advocacy Network in New Jersey, told me that being on a ventilator is something her daughter Stephanie will never forget either.

When Stephanie had complications from a kidney transplant, she was put on a ventilator. “They said she would be in a twilight state and unaware. Not true,” Agoratus says, recalling that Stephanie cried and used American Sign Language to express her extreme thirst.

“I asked Stephanie if she remembered it and how she felt, which I knew she did because every time we go to the hospital she says ‘no breathing tube,’” Agoratus said. “She said ‘it was terrifying that she needed it.’”

Jessica Rogers, who is a quadriplegic and has been on a ventilator several times, agrees. “It was very uncomfortable, and it’s scary because it breathes for you,” Rogers says. “Sometimes you feel like you’re ready to take another breath, but [the machine] doesn’t do it yet. You know what I mean?”

Yes, I know exactly what she means. At times, it felt like I couldn’t breathe at all. I remember trying to write that on a piece of paper so my husband could call for help when I experienced it. In fact, I had to write down everything I wanted to say because I couldn’t talk. I circled words for emphasis.

There is no way to call for help and you have to hope you can reach your call button and that somebody answers it. Obviously, you can’t eat or get up. And if you are lucky to get off the ventilator, that process is awful too.

Agoratus and her daughter agree. “When they extubated her, she went into respiratory distress, coded, and they had to reintubate her [while she was] awake. I heard the code blue and just knew it was her and sure enough all the doctors piled into her room. Her regular doctors had just come upstairs and asked me how she was. I lost it [for the] first time in 15 hospitalizations — even though she had been resuscitated on several occasions. I replied, ‘Her new kidney is failing and she just coded.’ One doctor stayed with me and the other ran to her room. They had to keep her on the ventilator two more days and gradually weaned her off.”

When Agoratus asked Stephanie about when they put the tube back in, she said, “It was scary. I wanted my mom.”

Stephanie also said the tube hurt because it felt like it was puncturing her. “She was fighting them because she was awake, and they had to force it in, causing throat and mouth abrasions.”

Imagine all of that stress on top of the issues you're already suffering. That's going to finish a lot of people off who might have just made it if they hadn't been put on the extremely damaging and wholly unnecessary ventilator.
 
Imagine all of that stress on top of the issues you're already suffering. That's going to finish a lot of people off who might have just made it if they hadn't been put on the extremely damaging and wholly unnecessary ventilator.
Between this and the study I posted about patients experiencing pain during the entire intubation, I would unironically rather die. It sounds more like a torture method than actual medical assistance, though the medical community is no stranger to causing more suffering than need be. That's basically their whole MO at this point.

They think you're sedated "enough" but those nurses and doctors have no fucking idea what you're experiencing. They're guessing. You could be screaming for help in your head for days. Just imagine the horror. And even if you are sedated enough, the body will remember the trauma. The subconscious still reacts to body horror that happens while unconscious.

If you have any doubts doctors and pharmacists just guess at chemical effects, look at what they do for lethal injection now. It's literally an untested cocktail of research chemicals synthed in Chinese labs. It's fucked. They dont care. They only thing they give a shit about is proving they did "everything they could (legally)" so they don't get sued.
 
The psychology of society post-covid is going to equal parts fascinating and terrifying.

A majority of people who were so scared of death and the natural consequences of life that they boarded themselves in their homes, afraid to touch their own relatives, talk with their friends, attend social meetings or even go shopping. All while pointing fingers at those who were the reaper; the people carrying death in their shadows. Be they unvaxxed, or covid-contaminant.

When the pandemic ends, and the fear for the vast majority of people passes, two psyches will emerge. 1) I have survived death, and I am invincible. 2) I have survived death and now I feel nothing. Death is a motivator for some, to avoid it, to fight for life, is a driving force. For others, running from and fearing death controls all of their decisions. We see this in the fight or flight response.

Now imagine those two groups, their mental beliefs brought from the ethereal of their minds to the physical reality. Catalyse them with a recession, food shortages or a natural disaster and what happens? A collapse of society, the thin bonds of control finally cut. With God dead, there would be no consequence of Eternal hell fire. After fighting their own mortality over two years, and coming out victorious, these people wil fear no earthly consequence for their actions. What will be left of society whos make-up and belief structure is Nihilism and/or Narcissism?
 
Idk if Denniger is right, but according to him when covid gets serious it's an oxygation problem not an actual breathing problem. So yes the ventilator "helps" you breath but the inflammation in your lungs means your body isn't actually oxygenation your blood like it's supposed to therefore vents don't do anything. It isn't that vents are killing people, it's just that they are useless as they aren't treating the actual problem. So to be put on a vent means you are so far gone that the vent isn't going to help and since that's the only thing the hospital is getting paid to do it's pretty much a death sentence.

According to Denniger.
That's kind of the point I'm making. They can inflate their lungs just fine. What they need is a treatment to either repair the inflamed lung tissues, or something to more efficiently oxygenate their blood. If they can inflate their lungs, a ventilator is counter-productive, because their body will be actively fighting against it.

To boost what you're suggesting: I've mentioned my sister in law before, I think. She got a bad dose of the rona, which played havoc with a bunch of pre-existing issues she already had. They mentioned the possibility of putting her on a ventilator, but in the end they resolved it by giving her a massive dose of a steroid that she was already taking to fight one of those inflammatory issues. It cleared her lungs up in probably two days at most.

Personally I think it is the vents killing people, because they're causing more damage to already scarred lungs. But that's my opinion. All that we know for sure is, if a far-gone rona case goes on a vent, they die.
 
"fact check" = clownspeak for "The Narrative says..."
Alternatively, "Approved for media dissemination."

Estonia already had their digital ID system hacked several times so it's literally only a matter of time before this goes horribly wrong, especially if they're tying medical records with it.
This is why a lot of people are concerned about their medical records now that they're required to be digital (at least in the US). Many medical practices are staffed by older doctors that might be computer literate but not versed in information security. Even if they hire younger people who know more about security, the fact remains that hackers will stop at nothing to breach medical data -- more-so now that more places want to include vaccination status as part of one's digital medical identity. This is why people should ask questions about how their medical data is being secured by non-medical professionals requesting it.
 
Some people on social media are noting that vaxxed people are getting very agressive. verbally or otherwise. I don't know if it's the vax or just mass psychosis doing it's work... But I have personally noticed how people became very stand offish and they don't even react anymore when they see someone stuggeling with their bags ect. They truly made us into chinese bug-drone-creatures.
I know people who work retail, they're noticing customers starting fist fights with other customer, while standing in the queue cause apparently there is alot of queue bunkers.
I guess the neurological damage is starting to kick in.
The 4chan deer cult remind me of some people I knew growing up. They observe something (people acting mental) and ascribe it to a cause (in this case, the vaccine) which could also be explained another way (increased stress, fear of disease, etc.) but when they point it out the opposition says "Nuh uh. You're crazy. Nothing is happening you conspiracy theorist."
1. Is it true that the ventilators are a death machine?
That's kind of the point I'm making. They can inflate their lungs just fine. What they need is a treatment to either repair the inflamed lung tissues, or something to more efficiently oxygenate their blood.
This was my understanding of it as well. Namely that COVID damages your vascular system (systemic issue) and therefore the alveoli can't do their job as well. It's not that you can't get enough air physically into your lungs on your own, it's that your lungs themselves are less efficient. So the vents aren't helping, at best, and hurting at worst.
 
I don't really see the difference between that and the anti-slavism that trotsky proposed, or the things that the frankfurt school peddled. You can even note the traces of french intellectuals in the phrase "people of color".

That said, yes, the US incubated unique strain of wokism that is quite influential.

American elites tend to be a bit more visible. It's easier to find traces of rockefeller fingerprints on things than rothschild fingerprints, even though the latter is more influential.


But they are not, not even the first place that either started talking about nor the first place to implement it. You might want to look at klaus schwab and the world economic forum instead.
This makes me wonder if the US vs. China is a sectarian conflict. Orthodox Marxists who play fast and loose with their orthodoxy (China) vs. Schismatic Marxists (woke Americans). Soviet commies hated the Frankfurt School like the Hapsburgs hated Protestants, that's why they stayed in America. It's a bit like how the Goths became Arian Christians.

Though Paul Gottfried, who studied under Marcuse and then turned into a paleocon, says Marcuse didn't get really crazy until he set up shop in California, so some of it is homegrown.
 
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Idk if Denniger is right, but according to him when covid gets serious it's an oxygation problem not an actual breathing problem. So yes the ventilator "helps" you breath but the inflammation in your lungs means your body isn't actually oxygenation your blood like it's supposed to therefore vents don't do anything. It isn't that vents are killing people, it's just that they are useless as they aren't treating the actual problem. So to be put on a vent means you are so far gone that the vent isn't going to help and since that's the only thing the hospital is getting paid to do it's pretty much a death sentence.

According to Denniger.
My point for bringing up the (elapid) snake bite victims was that ventilators aren't a death sentence on their own in the case of respiratory paralysis.

COVID seems to be the "odd man out" when it comes to patients dying on vents in the numbers that they do, so I think it has more to with the vents not helping for COVID than it does ventilators being dangerous.

Immigrate! They are immigrants. They are just like wetbacks crossing the Rio Grande. You Anglos are so scared of this word - well, guess what, it applies to you too.
I'm not an Anglo you dipshit
 
Work is mandating weekly or biweekly testing or have proof of your vax very, very soon. Even if I was going to go take the jab, I would NEVER offer proof of such a thing to my employer. It is none of their fucking business. So, my plan is to just pretend that I am still vaccinated but I'm one of those scared mfs who need a test every so often to confirm I don't have the coof (I have talked to people like this over the phone so I know they exist lol). Full proof plan I'd like to hope but I'm not gonna fake a card because there is a national database and I think they could easily find out about me. I'd love to just up and quit but I gotta put the bread on the table...

Edit: Someone's already quoted me so I can't take it back really, but when I said national database I meant = the state's immunization registry.
 
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My point for bringing up the (elapid) snake bite victims was that ventilators aren't a death sentence on their own in the case of respiratory paralysis.

COVID seems to be the "odd man out" when it comes to patients dying on vents in the numbers that they do, so I think it has more to with the vents not helping for COVID than it does ventilators being dangerous.


I'm not an Anglo you dipshit
 
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