Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[UngluedSeahorse]

Baffled but equally not dead shocked at snl being a real person. Unironically I hope she gets help for her mental illness because this is abnormal behaviour.
Olly could consider dating his obsessive Turner syndrome e-stalker gf. American, biofemale, in love with PT, dumb as a brick. She just has to go blonde and he’ll be on a plane before you can say “rebound”

 

[Futaba]

Why did I, a failed trans person who is so clockable I won't go near a dress, registering on KW just so I can get on this thread? Well that's my entire intro. I'm clockable and I think it's lame looking like a dude in a dress so I never bothered transitioning. Shoot me.

Dont worry, 99% of trans women don't pass. I partly blame male face blindness, ego and the fact that they will fuck anything as to why we are in the state we are in. Now you are getting an insight into how people who have not bought into gender ideology see troons as a class via PT.

I would say wear the dress, be gay as fuck or a soft, understanding man. Just don't call yourself a woman.

Edit: In regards to that video game citing PT as a philosopher well damn, I thought being a woman was Ollys only reach but going down as a "philosopher" to boot thats really something. I wonder if hundreds of years from now people will cite PT as being the founder of a school of philosophical thought. One which has the deconstruction of reality and breathtaking misogyny as its core tenants.

 

[esmeggs]

I have so many more questions now. Why would someone make an alt account to defend Olly when their main account hasn't been active in so long and has so few followers? Why did they delete their alt and go back to their main? Why start posting on twitter again just to defend Olly?

Ok so I've thought about this a little bit and there is a possible explanation. Remember the Steff Len account someone made to harass Stephanie L for being unhinged when it came to defending Olly and "trans rights"? Since we now know Stephanie is a real person, it must've been a bit unnerving for her to see a random account on Youtube with the same profile picture she used on snl825 telling her she made trans people look unhinged.

September 16th around 3:11 PM Steff Len replies to one of Stephanie's comments on Youtube.


September 16th around 4:14 PM snl825 is deleted.


Stephanie L might have been freaked out after the Steff Len comment that tied her Youtube account to her alt account. In an absolutely incomprehensible and utterly retarded move, Stephanie deletes the snl825 account and, instead of making another fresh account, moves to her main account which has identifying info on her.

Again this is all speculation, but this does offer a reason as to why the account was deleted and why she waited a bit before moving to another account to start aggressively defending Olly again. If this is the case, then whoever was behind Steff Len helped us immensely in finally putting this to rest.

Baffled but equally not dead shocked at snl being a real person. Unironically I hope she gets help for her mental illness because this is abnormal behaviour.
Olly could consider dating his obsessive Turner syndrome e-stalker gf. American, biofemale, in love with PT, dumb as a brick. She just has to go blonde and he’ll be on a plane before you can say “rebound”

Literally. I really didn't want to entertain the possibility that this was a real person because it's just so sad, to think that someone is this diehard over a perverted misogynist who has such a clear disdain for women (constantly ragging on about how women with medical issues can access estrogen quicker than he can). Stephanie is so misguided in her efforts to be a good person (and defend someone that she likely believes is a genuinely good person) that she's spending massive amounts of time fighting with feminists on the internet because she's convinced that a group of perverted men are really the most oppressed people of all time.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Why did I, a failed trans person who is so clockable I won't go near a dress, registering on KW just so I can get on this thread? Well that's my entire intro. I'm clockable and I think it's lame looking like a dude in a dress so I never bothered transitioning. Shoot me.

And that is why I came to this damn thread. I don't think I've ever been more angry about someone's transition. Which is stupid. I don't want to fuck Olly. But dear god do they look ridiculous. I think the worst part is they transitioned behind the scenes but it was clearly happening.

Like, we as the audience had no fucking say in whether we wanted to continue on this path with them. Nope, one day it was muscles and mustache and next week it's tits and this voice that could shatter glass.

I was a fan of Philosophy Tube, I was a fan of Oliver Thorn, the character. I'm thrilled Abby is living her best life, whatevs. I just can't stand to watch or listen to a single word they say. Someone who arguably could've gone beyond youtube and had a real world career turned their dick inside out and looks like John Lithgow in the World According to Garp. Fuck me.

welcome to the 'joined KF soley for the purpose of bitching about PTs obvious bullshit' club.
you will be extremely grateful, in a few years, that you havent chopped your working dick off to replaced with a non working wound. Cos even if you'd done that you'd be the exact same person with the exact same problems as you always were. You just wont be tied to pills for the rest of your life, and dialating the hole where your dick used to be every day.

you can do, dress, act, any way you want that you would desire to if you had been born a woman. do whatever you want, just be grateful that you've got a working body. because its such a gift, that so many people struggle all thier lives for not having it.

PT doesnt realise that the reason there's a massive wait list is because he, and people like him have propagandised being trans soo hard a good percentage of the people trying to access the services will definitely NOT be trans, and this wait could be the best thing thats come thier way.

That you, as 'a failed trans person' as well as contra, as well as everyone else who goes for They, literally cant say Ollys new pronoun (it feels like an insult when I've had to here and there) really says it all for how genuine/authentic it feels.

I hadnt thought about why the Private Transition felt so off...i thought it was just cos it was stage managed, and seemed like 'fuck the struggle', two minute decision- but you raise a really good point. It was like we were expected to be on board with it? its hard to explain it in a way that doesnt sound like...expecting to be overly involved in a strangers life, but actually thats exactly what he did.
its not that he changed gender presentation only, he entirely changed character and it beacme this boring meglomaniacal tribute to him, rather than a channel dicsussing some basic philosophy with a few sketches.

 

[Brain Problems]

Saw this on Twitter. Presumably this is the logic that Olly applies to his “lITErAlLy BiOlOgICaLly FeMaLE” claim.
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Let's break down what they're saying

• Phenotypical sex - Mr Reddit has sectioned out morphology, so phenology in this context would mean development and behaviour. You can modify the development of a person through hormone blockers and artificial hormones, but you can't switch it to the development of someone of the opposite sex. As for behaviour, and I guess secondary phenotype, sure someone can grow their hair out, sling on heels and a dress, and behave in a way they understand a woman behaves. I don't think anyone ever questioned that.
  
  
• Endocrinological sex - Yes, HRT exists. You can flood someone with chemicals that block testosterone production or add in a bunch of hormones. You're not changing the endocrinological sex, though, because without this medical intervention the body would revert to normal endocrinology until it becomes too damaged to do so. This is like saying a man with a low testosterone disorder has a different endocrinological sex. Certainly trans women do not have the cyclical hormones associated with pre-menopausal women (ever heard of a trans women taking FSH?).
  
  
• Morphological sex - Morphology is the physical structure of an organism. They've separated out gonads and genitals, so in the purest sense I guess this means skeletal structure, larynx, fat deposition and boobs. Testosterone can indeed permanently alter the larynx resulting in a permanently deepened voice and permanently alter hair follicles to make vellus hair into terminal hair. This can also happen to women with an endocrinological disorder like PCOS, who are not said to have a different sex. HRT both ways will also impact fat deposition, and yeah I guess you could include boob jobs/mastectomy (although a woman who's had a mastectomy isn't considered to have changed her "morphological sex") and fillers/hacking off bits of bone from the face. This would essentially be classed as morphology in the context of healthcare and surgical outcomes, but not really in a biological context.
  
  
• Genital sex - You can do a chop shop, but you can't actually change a vagina into a penis or a penis into a vagina. Someone who loses their genitals in an accident would not be said to have changed their genital sex, they're just injured. I guess they're including testosterone induced megaclitoris, but that's still not a penis and can also just happen to women who get e.g. adrenal cancer.
  
  
• Chromosomal sex - A bone marrow transplant does not modify chromosomal sex, it creates a transgenic mosaic. Even without a bone marrow transplant, cells may exhibit e.g. mosaic aneuploidy anyway. Not every cell in your body is guaranteed to have both of your sex chromosomes but that does not mean you have a different chromosomal sex. You can't change chromosomal sex (no not even with CRISPR, that's not how CRISPR works).
  
  
• Gondal sex - Gonads are organs that produce gametes. You cannot change ovaries into testes or vice versa, so no you cannot modify gonadal sex, you can only remove the gonads. A woman who's had a oophorectomy has not changed her gonadal sex, she just doesn't have gonads anymore.
  
  
• Neurological sex - There does appear to be some sexual differentiation between male brains and female brains, typically relating to the size-adjusted volume of some brain regions and the density distributions of grey matter. There also have been a couple of studies that suggest some trans people may have some brain structures more typical of the opposite sex. However, just like they like to say "how do you know what chromosomes you have? have you checked?" they have no guarantee that their brain is one that exhibits . Ironically neurological sex would be the main example of an area that is not binary but bimodal, as there is a spectrum between "male brain structure" and "female brain structure" with a lot of overlap (and most of the structures do not exhibit variance besides overall size, which is not correlated to function).

So to summarise: yes, you can modify how act and dress and then take some hormones before getting your genitals hacked up or some plastic surgery. This is not really telling us anything new, you're just claiming these things are "sex", which they are not.

For the record, Eddie Gorcenski is a cow and has his own thread here. He is one of the few cows on the farm that I find intolerable from the top-to-bottom not partially because he is a profoundly ugly and nasty person, literally and figuratively. The dude is truly awful to look at and consistently says the craziest fucking violent leftist shit possible but manages to skate by on the troon journo card. Real piece of work.

 

[AssignedEva]

Stephanie being real makes me feel sad for her, but I think it's hilarious that Ollie will be getting a taste of his own Contra medicine when he notices (if he hadn't already)

 

[lady stoneheart]

are we still talking about whether we hate contra or tube more? for the record, i’m an american woman, and i prefer contra tenfold just because he has a brain capable of producing a unique thought and has a personality. tube has dead dog eyes and is not a real human being. he is just like every other “i’m definitely a nice guy and i’m so smart and deep” incel and every word thats ever come out of his mouth is calculated to poorly manipulate naive people and keep up his creepy pathetic facade. contra is a fucking mess but is significantly more creative and honest. also, contra gives off more “attempted date rapist” vibes, meaning he is less immediately threatening; vs tube who gives off straight up woman-beater vibes. in hand to hand combat i could easily defeat contra, but tube looks like a fat linebacker and seems like he could and would kill me for not sufficiently groveling in front of his majesty. the only way i could ever survive a battle to the death with tube is by outrunning him because he is so fat.

 

[Futaba]

contra gives off more “attempted date rapist” vibes, meaning he is less immediately threatening; vs tube who gives off straight up woman-beater vibes. in hand to hand combat i could easily defeat contra, but tube looks like a fat linebacker and seems like he could and would kill me for not sufficiently groveling in front of his majesty. the only way i could ever survive a battle to the death with tube is by outrunning him because he is so fat.

This made me lol - contra is only an attempted rapist whilst PT is a full on murderer - love that. It also opens up a new autistic line of discussion - would you be able to win a fight to the death vs contra or PT? Even though Contra is more slight I feel they would use their extensive drug lore to stick me with a needle before I even knew what was happening. PT is larger but as a result moves slower, so I think I could dodge out the way and put enough space between us for a kick in the balls. Does HRT render the balls to be less sensitive? Someone please answer as my survival depends on it.

 

[lady stoneheart]

Even though Contra is more slight I feel they would use their extensive drug lore to stick me with a needle before I even knew what was happening. PT is larger but as a result moves slower, so I think I could dodge out the way and put enough space between us for a kick in the balls. Does HRT render the balls to be less sensitive? Someone please answer as my survival depends on it.

contra will be sluggish and weak from all the opiates and unable to make quick decisions which i think would give me the upper hand, even though it would also make him less susceptible to pain. tube on the other hand has a formidable reach due to his orangutan arms and shovel hands. i think you would be at a disadvantage unless you could dodge behind him and give him a strong ball kick from the back. idk about the sensitivity thing although apparently it does wither their dicks so one would assume it shrinks the balls too.

 

[Photo of an orange]

Also just joined KF because PT/Oliver Lennard's behavior made me peak trans, albeit in a very limited fashion.

I am in a place with trans people, I interact with them regularly, and I...don't care? Or I do care, but positively so? I am not peak trans in the sense that I hold any negative view toward people with gender identity issues, or those who've resolved them well. I actually have a quite positive view!

But I now have, thanks to Olly, found my limit and learned to trust my own intuition. Olly's "Mrs. Doubtfire" act would be pretty awful on its own, but it is so transparently clear that he just wanted to make money, get attention, and to do both by playing "new" women characters to get inside them (...yes, yuck) and mock them, as women, in a consequence-free social environment.

The trans people I actually know and interact with don't want to call attention to themselves, and would love nothing more than to never be thought of as trans, or woman, or man, or anything...just to be human and go about things as they are (and to support their own rights, of course).

But, Olly...he wants to be front and center trans woman to the point you can NEVER forget it, he won't let you, to the point where it's a taunt how mannish (or fake womannish) he comes off. It's a performance, but it's not meant to convince, it's meant to silence criticism about the substance of HIM (not really of the topic itself).

On the current debate: obviously anyone could repel a Contrapoints attack. Junkies' muscles don't work right. The Saatchi-esque jaw-clenched rage when Nigella Lawson wasn't booked, in PT's fatphobic (no fat people in it, he's afraid of them) Julia Child episode...that's all I need to see to know I'd lose that fight, and lose it badly. When he actually ages into his "Mrs. Doubtfire" persona, I'll reconsider my odds.

 

[Futaba]

tube on the other hand has a formidable reach due to his orangutan arms and shovel hands. i think you would be at a disadvantage unless you could dodge behind him and give him a strong ball kick from the back. idk about the sensitivity thing although apparently it does wither their dicks so one would assume it shrinks the balls too.

I think I would still have an advantage, as before each attack tube has to power up and shout "TUBE POWAH LUVS" so I think I could go in for a kick to the balls or deftly escape in time.

 

[Dr George Whitebread]

are we still talking about whether we hate contra or tube more? for the record, i’m an american woman, and i prefer contra tenfold just because he has a brain capable of producing a unique thought and has a personality. tube has dead dog eyes and is not a real human being. he is just like every other “i’m definitely a nice guy and i’m so smart and deep” incel and every word thats ever come out of his mouth is calculated to poorly manipulate naive people and keep up his creepy pathetic facade.

Contra is practically a saint compared to Ollie. Contra has these weird moments of lucidity where they realise "the fuck are other trans people doing" before realising it damages the financial bottom line and making 50 page apologies. Meanwhile if some trans person with clout said that Trans people had the right to shit in the street because of the guv'ment or star magic or something, Ollie would 110% back it because it pleases the mouthbreathers he's surrounded himself with to keep the delusion alive.

Both are experts in believing their own bullshit, but Contra can still smell it.

 

[Photo of an orange]

Oliver Lennard and narcissism, in a triplet of sequential tweets.

It's Ollways about Olly.

"Me, you and me, and also me, and I was involved in this object's interaction with me!"

 

[Chandelier]

Ollie and all troons on the waiting lists should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Wasting valuable time and medical resources during a global pandemic over social contagion and vanity surgeries. Having to wait a decade or more is the least you deserve for pulling this selfish bullshit.

Besides, PT is a Little Lord Fauntleroy rich boy. He can pay for his cock chop privately. But no, he must have an engineered cause to martyr himself for. Muh "segregated healthcare". Anything less than GPs performing vaginoplasties in their offices 10 minutes into an appointment is barbaric oppression!!

That is what gets me. He LOVES portraying himself as this down trodden low class boy who can't get what he wants because he's so poor. Just last year he was a wealthy white man comfortable in his dwellings and able to buy whatever he wants. Well, BreadTube doesn't like that so he decided to 'come out' as a woman and bam, his subscriber count skyrockets him to 1 million subscribers.

And what does he do with his new content? Talk about how womanhood is metaphysical and a pure construction while arguing he's an honest-to-God woman. No, Olly. You are not a woman. You fool absolutely no one and the lads who nod along at your fake-as-shit woman's voice do it because you're still a member of the Boy's Club.

His tweet stating that he was, in fact, a biological woman, and the one where he admitted he'd use his funds to open up women's shelters is exactly the shit Katy Montgomerie and CursedE push for. All are tall, broad shouldered males who do not pass and who want to butt their way into women's spaces so they can feel validated.

Speaking of Islamophobia Olly, you ever going to talk about the Muslim who stabbed one of your own? No? Ah well, back to blame GCs like Katy did because it's better than being accused of racism.

Oliver Lennard and narcissism, in a triplet of sequential tweets.

It's Ollways about Olly.

"Me, you and me, and also me, and I was involved in this object's interaction with me!"

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Bragging about 'owning' Keira Bell, I presume?

And of course he makes it all about himself. This is a wealthy, demanding, greedy boy who turned into a greedy, misogynistic male who always preferred the company of males to women. There is a reason why troons and BreadTube have no natural born women among them: they fucking hate them, and will degrade them at every turn. Transwomen are the creme de la creme, and you cannot criticize them.

 

[DarkestNight]

Ig I'll chime in as another lefty who got sick of PT, started reading this thread and couldn't stop.

Honestly, she (I'm too much of a degenerate or whatever to do a misgender, even if I kind of feel like I loathe her) gives me huge narcissist vibes. It started after the cosmonaut video. I remember watching it while I was in a pretty depressive episode myself, and it hit me hard. And then after, I started wondering how many takes it took to hit those emotional beats, I mean she's an actor and whatever, and competent enough. And I started seeing it as an attempt to manipulate viewers, like she was actively trying to strengthen those parasocial relationships.

And I also started to get annoyed by her "coming out" so repeatedly, as a victim of abuse, as bi, as depressed, as a trans woman. It honestly feels to me like she's addicted to the outpouring of support and love she gets from her frothing fans every time she drops something like that. I'm waiting for her coming out as having a chronic illness next or some bullshit like that.

And ever since she came out, she's dialled the narcissism up to 11. Literally everything is about her. She's the princess of terf island, just fucking appointing herself as the most important trans person in the UK. Is this...is this how she thinks women act? Like I honestly don't believe she has much of a personality herself, I think she acts in whatever way she thinks will get her the most approval, but this "I'M A PERFECT TRANS PRINCESS, EVERYONE LOVE ME" bit is fucking jarring and makes my skin crawl. And can she stop talking about Contra? It's creepy. And can she stop talking about her sex life? It's also fucking weird - I mean some people build their brand around talking about sex, but she didn't, that I can remember, so now it comes across very "LALALA I'M A SEXY TRANS PRINCESS WHO FUCKS". Which was basically Contra's shtick - like PT is acting like some kind of freaking Contra skinwalker.

And to add to the UK/USA Contra/PT debate, I'm from the UK and I hate PT and quite like Contra (I think she's funny at least, and while she gives off trainwreck vibes, at least that's genuine).

 

[UngluedSeahorse]

Olly hacks me off a bit more than contra. He’s the classic leftist male creep in an even worse way than Nyk. His nice guy (girl?) act is forced and insidious. It’s always a red flag when normal guys don’t like to hang around another man- and Olly strikes me as one of those sorts.
Reading his tweets, it’s odd to me that nobody notices nor complains about his relentless narcissism. He makes virtually every reply about himself. It’s so transparent. He’s just such a nauseating persona, and the troonery seems to have emboldened his worst qualities. At least Nyk has the decency to drug himself half to death and not pretend he isn’t a freak. Besides, I can see Nyk as woman-adjacent. That will never ever happen with PT. Can’t explain it.

 

[AfghanBlue]

are we still talking about whether we hate contra or tube more? for the record, i’m an american woman, and i prefer contra tenfold just because he has a brain capable of producing a unique thought and has a personality. tube has dead dog eyes and is not a real human being. he is just like every other “i’m definitely a nice guy and i’m so smart and deep” incel and every word thats ever come out of his mouth is calculated to poorly manipulate naive people and keep up his creepy pathetic facade. contra is a fucking mess but is significantly more creative and honest. also, contra gives off more “attempted date rapist” vibes, meaning he is less immediately threatening; vs tube who gives off straight up woman-beater vibes. in hand to hand combat i could easily defeat contra, but tube looks like a fat linebacker and seems like he could and would kill me for not sufficiently groveling in front of his majesty. the only way i could ever survive a battle to the death with tube is by outrunning him because he is so fat.

i really enjoyed reading this, it was like a fun text based version of none of those MS paint PT and Contra memes.
i wouldn’t be so sure about beating contra in a fight though, being only an inch or two shorter than philosophy tube.
she is also, let’s remember smarter and more creative than stupid fucking Tube who would only think to pummel- she might have some weird crafty secret weapon and/or move.

this ‘who in a fight’ episode is the most fun we’ve had for a while since stephanie sadded up the place with her obsession that could only be explained away by intense conspiracy.

i suppose it depends if this fight to the death was sudden or if the other party had fair warning.
yes i agree contras muscles and reactions will be fucked off all the opiates but so are mine, so that doesn’t help me. it’s just a lower octane, longer lasting more depressing fight.
it’s actually really hard to forcefully get someone with a needle other than into the muscle and that’s also difficult if you were grappling, and the things that would be dangerous and close at hand to use, like bleach, would be much less dangerous intramuscularly.

If contra uses a secret weapons it’s going to be a piano wire scenario. a really horrible way to die.
contra has long luxurious hair, often worn down and that is terrible in a fight. you can use it to completely control someone’s head movements. Also her long nails are a self own cos it just hurts when they came off.

Fighting the Tube would of course be slightly more terrifying than the tube at rest, which is already deeply upsetting.
he would use his army cadet fight /rugger bugger training and scream at the top of his lungs, maximum aggression at all times.
I think i’d probably just run, honestly i don’t fancy my chances.
which is ironic as i don’t want to try to kill contra even a tiny little bit as i low key love her.
(am woman from uk who nurses a passionate hatred for Tube and only Tube)

@UngluedSeahorse agree about it being weird that no one notices or says anything about his endless self congratulation on twitter. it’s like.. come on. they make me wince. sometimes when there’s not much response to them i like to think that everyone saw it but had no way of normalising it with a reply, so are just sitting there quietly while step by step, Tube does the lords work of turning more people against Tube.

 

[Futaba]

i really enjoyed reading this, it was like a fun text based version of none of those MS paint PT and Contra memes.

I whole heartedly agree - there's definitely a game to be made here

i wouldn’t be so sure about beating contra in a fight though, being only an inch or two shorter than philosophy tube.
she is also, let’s remember smarter and more creative than stupid fucking Tube who would only think to pummel- she might have some weird crafty secret weapon and/or move.

You make some very valid points about contra. Thinking about it more I think he would perhaps deign to perform his femininity when fighting me - pretending that he is weaker and slower than he really is. I would make it to the door where I would proceed to hold it open for him and he would at once be reduced to a hapless puddle of woman at such a gesture.

Fighting the Tube would of course be slightly more terrifying than the tube at rest, which is already deeply upsetting.
he would use his army cadet fight /rugger bugger training and scream at the top of his lungs, maximum aggression at all times.

TUBE SMASH

 

[fax machine]

>bon chance!

how nice of him to take a break from assaulting the English language to mangle the French.

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Looks like Tolstoy reference incest lady is back.

(s/a)

none of them had any damning complaints

 

[esmeggs]

Holy shit Olly is actually right for once????!

Just kidding.

(archive)
Of course he treats women's worries over men self-identifying as women as nothing more than a punchline.