Opinion There’s growing sentiment for secession, particularly on the right. It should be rejected. - Like An Abusive Spouse, They Hate Us, But Won't Let Us Leave Them

Nobody has to convince me the divisions between the “red” and “blue” segments of our country are deep, bitter, and authentic. That and a closely related topic, the radicalization of U.S. conservatism and the Republican Party, have been the chief focuses of my career in journalism. I’ve even criticized the yearning for “unity” and have taken issue with those who believe the differences between red and blue are mostly artificial.

Acknowledging a national political and cultural divide does not, however, mean jumping to the conclusion that the United States would be better off just calling it a day after 245 years. That view is, however, a growing sentiment among Americans, especially in MAGA Land, as some recent polling suggests. A new University of Virginia Center for Politics poll found that 52 percent of Trump voters said they now favored red states “seceding from the union to form their own separate country,” compared with 41 percent of Biden voters who said the same about blue states.

There is, moreover, an abundant literature of neo-secessionism on the political right these days, much of it coming from intensely pro-Trump quarters ranging from Glenn Beck’s Blaze Media fiefdom to the Claremont Institute. In the latter MAGA hothouse, secession is nestled within the concept of a “National Divorce,” in which the two mutually hostile sectors of the country would each go their own way. Those familiar with the prehistory of the U.S. Civil War will recognize the tone of more-in-sorrow-than-anger pleas for a dignified separation in this new essay from Claremont senior fellow David Reaboi:

[W]e have in America today what are, essentially, two competing, radically different and mutually exclusive conceptions of the Good, of justice, and of the proper role of the state in its interactions with its citizens … If we disagree on these big things — which will necessarily manifest in every political issue, large or small — what strong force could possibly reunite us? Or, to ask a question that’s perhaps more pertinent — maybe not today or tomorrow, but soon: What force could keep us from coming apart?

Much like an antebellum southern aristocrat shaking his head at the Puritan fanatics of an abolitionist movement he imagined embodying the very soul of Yankeedom, Reaboi and his confederates assume that Blue America is the psychological prisoner of Woke Progressivism, which will destroy any part of the country where it is not denied:

… what’s left around which the great majority of citizens can rally?

Not ethnicity or religion; these are two strong identity conceptions that have the power to unite people in smaller, less diverse states. Not patriotism emerging from a reverence for the nation’s history and heroic founding story, either. The Left has worked with great zeal to undermine all of these things because it wants to unite Americans under nothing but its own ideology. The 1619 Project is only the most successful, high-profile effort to undermine the legitimacy — and, even more importantly, the virtue and goodness — of the American regime and its Founding. It, along with related cults like Critical Race Theory, forms the political ethos that has thoroughly consumed Blue America.

More broadly, the MAGA movement resembles the proto-Confederates in that it bears a powerful sense of loss — that in Trump it had its big chance to Make America Great Again but was robbed of victory by tyrants who will now flood the land with the votes of swarthy immigrants and destroy American enterprise with a socialist administrative state. The Confederates, having been denied control of their native country via the organization of a sectional party united by opposition to national recognition of property rights in human slaves, sought a new country rooted in what they viewed as the better parts of the old. And not for a moment did they admit to themselves that they were the aggressors.

Now as then, some elements of the left are happy to let the reactionaries go in order to liberate themselves from the gridlock and paralysis that big national divisions operating under a limited-government constitution encourage. This February at The Nation, Nathan Newman argued for “blue-state secession” in adopting this point of view. And back in 2018, here at Intelligencer, Sasha Issenberg offered a vision of a breakup of the United States via the construction of two big coalitions bound by interstate compacts that were blessed by the federal government, with Red and Blue Federations restrained by a Neutral Federation that contained the old federal capital and many of the old battleground states.

So might we drift apart more or less peacefully this time around? Possibly, but count me out when it comes to agreeing to a National Divorce. Yes, I might derive great joy from the overthrow of the U.S. Senate and its filibuster and the conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court. I would feel much safer in a progressive nation that didn’t arm its citizens to the teeth, didn’t view other nations as “shitholes” full of subhuman orcs to be subdued, and didn’t accept calamitous climate change as just the price of doing business.

But how could I happily accept the accelerated subjugation of women and people of color in a new, adjacent Red America, any more than abolitionists could accept the continuation and expansion of the slavery they hated? Would it really be safe to live near a carbon-mad country in which the denial of climate change was an article of faith? And could I ever trust that a “neighbor” whose leadership and citizens believed their policies reflected the unchanging ancient will of the Almighty would leave our fences intact?

I don’t know if the hypothetical leaders of an America facing red-state secession would have the unshakable will of a Lincoln. And it’s not at all clear that young men and women in Blue America would be willing to take up arms in large numbers to resist secession with fire and blood. But this Union is still worth fighting for, no matter how frustrated we all are with congressional chaos, with elections that feel like nuclear exchanges, and with “debates” taking place between people who can barely communicate with each other. I’m not willing to peacefully give up our Constitution, abused and abusive as it has sometimes been; our Capitol with its surly bureaucrats and devious pols; or the bonds of kinship and history that connect me with so many red-state people, much as we disagree on most everything other than college football and fried food.

So I say to the would-be secessionists: Please don’t go. And if it’s somehow in my power, I won’t let you go. I have no illusions of compromises yet untried or “third ways” left unexplored. So let’s have it out right here in America as peacefully as we can manage. Perhaps if we continue to battle for control of our common country, one side or the other might win a popular mandate to exercise real power and change the facts on the ground, breaking the perpetual stalemate. If not, then let’s consider the wisdom of those who crushed the Confederacy in the belief that the misery of political conflict is better than the literal civic death of national disunion.

 
“If not, then let’s consider the wisdom of those who crushed the Confederacy in the belief that the misery of political conflict is better than the literal civic death of national disunion.”

Such a belief is absolutely false. It’s better to have a civil war that results in national devastation and slaughter, as that at least ends the frustration and misery of our current crisis. Even if the Left/System won, then at the very least there would be no contest left to be had.
 
Is it even really liberalism anymore? They're like literal bugman NPC zombies at this point. I'm not sure even they know what their politics are.
I don't think liberalism, even neo liberalism exists anymore. It's all pointless virtue signaling from top down, Nancy Pelosi to some retard on Twitter calling Trump a Nazi while harassing a Mexican republican as a race traitor. They don't have any real political stances, just whatever the media tells them. I'm sure of you asked them about the border patrol whip thing being fake they'd have bulged eyeballs and explain how it isn't through semantics because it has to be true, otherwise they have to admit the media does lie, and think about what else might be a lie.

They have no real emotions besides satisfying their own ego, like this cunt writing the article, and feeling superior to stupid illiterate flyover country while they rent a cardboard box for 3,000 a month in their big city. Even in politics it's dead. Both parties launder and waste money, but Democrats do it far worse with how they throw programs in every bill. Take Gender Studies funding in the COVID Relief Bill for a few billion, or the bill they're trying to shove in now trying to give illegals loads of shit on the taxpayers dime.
 
There's no need for secession, the US states are their own government bodies for a reason.
It's weird that we skipped over nullification and went straight to secession. The states joined the union under the idea that the federal government would follow the constitution. If a federal law goes against the constitution, the state may nullify that law and refuse to enforce it within its borders.
 
It's weird that we skipped over nullification and went straight to secession. The states joined the union under the idea that the federal government would follow the constitution. If a federal law goes against the constitution, the state may nullify that law and refuse to enforce it within its borders.
What do you think 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries are? You notice the Feds haven't been saying jack about those?
 
The downside of Nullifcation is it doesn't allow us to close all bridges over the Red and Sabine.
 
Garland has been whingeing about Missouri's new 2A sanctuary law.
Its only taken the Feds how long to start noticing them though? Slow even by the standards of Uncle Sam. Can't wait to see him defend the illegal alien sanctuaries for doing the exact same thing if/when he actually grows a pair.
 
Can't wait to see him defend the illegal alien sanctuaries for doing the exact same thing if/when he actually grows a pair.
Let me approximate Garland's explanation:

"Something something false equivalency yadda yadda 2A is not unlimited blah blah muh public safety hummuna hummuna foreigners have more rights than citizens because I'm a crooked gaywad".
 
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Let me approximate Garland's explanation:

"Something something false equivalency yadda yadda 2A is not unlimited blah blah muh public safety hummuna hummuna foreigners have more rights than citizens because I'm a crooked gaywad".
I've got nothing because fuck it, his actual legal argument in court will be just as legible.
 
>and if it's somehow in my power, I won't let you go

L-O-fucking-L

It isn't in your power, dude. You can stop the right from seceding about as much as a woman can stop me from leaving my own home. You can certainly try, but you'll be wearing sunglasses for a few weeks.
 
"We might be forcing you to create a parallel economy because our insane mandates and demands but you definitely cannot live without us!"

I think we are about to find out.
 
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"There can only be two answers: either our masters know (or intuit) deep down that we can live without them but they can’t live without us, or else they want to keep us around to administer what they view as deserved punishment."

The sad/scary thing is, it's definately the SECOND answer.

MovieBob and Co. have made it clear they THINK blue America subsidizes the protracted 200 year failure that is Red America and the "rightfully inhabited" city-states CAN live without farmers, factories and the like..... they've said as much.

So the only reason they won't kick us to the curb is because they want a perpetual class of serfs to look down upon, they, having self-appointed themselves royalty, want their whipping boy, whipping man and whipping old senior to take the blame for their fuckups cradle to grave and be the easy blame caste when their big ideas, like making shoplifting legal, ruin their cities.

They NEED us so they can have people to bully whenever they feel bad....
 
These people oppose secession for the same reason the French government didn't want to give up Algeria - they want natural resources to exploit and a subject population to mistreat. Heck, there were probably more pieds-noirs in Algérie française than there are wokists in "MAGA country".

All I can do is pray that Washington lets the South go before it starts death flights and massacres, and that Louisiana and the Southwest don't just become narcostates the second they get their independence.
 
I can appreciate some States wanting to separate from the Union.

In all fairness some states differ so broadly in opinions that they might as well be separate countries.

I would feel terrible for people within the states in question being forced to remain in a state that separated against their wishes; but at the same time if some of these States really think they can do better, then why not?

California, NY, Florida and Texas would all make fine countries unto themselves.
 
The sad/scary thing is, it's definately the SECOND answer.

MovieBob and Co. have made it clear they THINK blue America subsidizes the protracted 200 year failure that is Red America and the "rightfully inhabited" city-states CAN live without farmers, factories and the like..... they've said as much.

So the only reason they won't kick us to the curb is because they want a perpetual class of serfs to look down upon, they, having self-appointed themselves royalty, want their whipping boy, whipping man and whipping old senior to take the blame for their fuckups cradle to grave and be the easy blame caste when their big ideas, like making shoplifting legal, ruin their cities.

They NEED us so they can have people to bully whenever they feel bad....
Leftists and Libs routinely claim that red states are all drowning in federal monies that the supposedly productive blue states produce via taxes.

If that is the case, you’d think they’d be happy to let the supposed white trash on EBT cards go and fail right? More money for them.

But no, your exactly right, they enjoy torturing and inflicting pain on them.

Much like an abusive marriage “I give more to you than you put in”, “you’d never survive without my generosity” when really the abusive spouse just wants a punching bag.

If the red states went free, they’d have no one to blame for their failed social experiments only the product of their own policies to live with.
 
I don't think liberalism, even neo liberalism exists anymore. It's all pointless virtue signaling from top down, Nancy Pelosi to some retard on Twitter calling Trump a Nazi while harassing a Mexican republican as a race traitor. They don't have any real political stances, just whatever the media tells them. I'm sure of you asked them about the border patrol whip thing being fake they'd have bulged eyeballs and explain how it isn't through semantics because it has to be true, otherwise they have to admit the media does lie, and think about what else might be a lie.

They have no real emotions besides satisfying their own ego, like this cunt writing the article, and feeling superior to stupid illiterate flyover country while they rent a cardboard box for 3,000 a month in their big city. Even in politics it's dead. Both parties launder and waste money, but Democrats do it far worse with how they throw programs in every bill. Take Gender Studies funding in the COVID Relief Bill for a few billion, or the bill they're trying to shove in now trying to give illegals loads of shit on the taxpayers dime.
Liberalism to me means giving people the freedom to live their lives in peace how they see fit.

It doesn't mean showing contempt for those that choose to live a more traditional life, it means letting people choose for themselves one way or the other and minding your own fucking business.

Today's left follow anything but liberalism, they want to control the way everyone thinks, acts, speaks, what you buy, what you watch, what you play, what you do, if it's not something they approve of, they don't want anyone else to have it or anyone else to do it, they're dictators that want to micromanage every aspect of everyone's lives every single second of every single day.

The stupid irony of this is it's all so pointless, this is a big, big country with plenty of room for plenty of different cultures and walks of life, this rivalry between red state, blue state, urban, rural etc doesn't actually need to be a thing if people learned to just live and let live, but the left wants everything to be their way.
 
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Liberalism to me means giving people the freedom to live their lives in peace how they see fit.

It doesn't mean showing contempt for those that choose to live a more traditional life, it means letting people choose for themselves one way or the other and minding your own fucking business.

Today's left follow anything but liberalism, they want to control the way everyone thinks, acts, speaks, what you buy, what you watch, what you play, what you do, if it's not something they approve of, they don't want anyone else to have it or anyone else to do it, they're dictators that want to micromanage every aspect of everyone's lives every single second of every single day.

The stupid irony of this is it's all so pointless, this is a big, big country with plenty of room for plenty of different cultures and walks of life, this rivalry between red state, blue state, urban, rural etc doesn't actually need to be a thing if people learned to just live and let live, but the left wants everything to be their way.
Noted. I should have said leftism is a mental illness, Liberalism is an ancient idea far beyond the comprehension of some shit caked Communist activist.
 
I think the reason they don't want to separate is because they know they won't survive...without paying exorbitant taxes on imports to a red country.
 
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