Covid/mRNA Vaccine Info General - "Covid Seasonal Flu Vaccines is Society's New Normal" - FDA

[FFinfo]

There's literally nothing suggesting your odds are "a hell of a lot more likely" if unvaccinated compared to being vaccinated.

Do you also tell pilots to let you fly the plane when you fly? Do you tell bus drivers to let you drive the bus? Do you tell cooks that you should do the cooking when you go to a restaurant?

If my bus driver takes me to the wrong stop? I'd criticize that. If my cook fucks up my order? Yes, I let them know they messed up. If my pilot crashes? Well I've guess you've got me there, Hulk. I wouldn't be complaining.

As for getting sick, I do not always see a doctor. For breaking a limb, surely. The difference is that the art of mending a broken limb is thousands of years old, not 2 like COVID protocols.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

There's literally nothing suggesting your odds are "a hell of a lot more likely" if unvaccinated compared to being vaccinated.

Actually there's a ton suggesting it. I can't help it that you have autism and can't tell the difference between 99% and 0%.

If my bus driver takes me to the wrong stop? I'd criticize that. If my cook fucks up my order? Yes, I let them know they messed up. If my pilot crashes? Well I've guess you've got me there, Hulk. I wouldn't be complaining.

As for getting sick, I do not always see a doctor. For breaking a limb, surely. The difference is that the art of mending a broken limb is thousands of years old, not 2 like COVID protocols.

But you just admitted you know more about medicine than a doctor. Why would you even waste your time going to one when you are way smarter than them?

 

[FFinfo]

I see from your inability to defend yourself in the first paragraph and your bad-faith argumentation in the second that you've both run out of refutations to my argument and we've reached the end of any useful back and forth.

 

[Car Won't Crank]

I see from your inability to defend yourself in the first paragraph and your bad-faith argumentation in the second that you've both run out of refutations to my argument and we've reached the end of any useful back and forth.

You'll end up discussing the same few things worded slightly differently until the cows come home. He has been rehashing the same few talking points in different ways since the fanaticism over the covid jabs and mandates began. It's amusing but ultimately white noise.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Actually there's a ton suggesting it. I can't help it that you have autism and can't tell the difference between 99% and 0%.

But you just admitted you know more about medicine than a doctor. Why would you even waste your time going to one when you are way smarter than them?

For someone so afraid of getting doxxed, you sure do like mouthing off on subjects you know nothing about.

Now come on, post your credentials.

 

[EyelessMC]

Spoiler: To Everyone: Regarding HHH, my perspective, Please Ignore Him, let's not repeat the past

Hollywood Hulk Hogan has become like an obsessive stalker type who is genuinely unhinged. I will not respond directly to him because it only seems to make it worse, and you already can see that trying to reason or argue with him in reply is pointless. The claim is that he wants to make sure echo chambers don't form on this website but even a cursory glance at his post history can show that it's a transparent facade for his Reddit janny tier mentality and political leanings being his singular motivation, wherein he literally sees anything right-of-center as /pol/ and vaguely views all conservative or Republican anything as some kind of neo-nazi or neo-nazi facsimile. He thinks he has carte blanche to ruin threads and then watch them either empty out of posters (since no one wants to post there anymore) or even see them get locked and/or moved to Spergatory. I don't know why this behavior is tolerated, let alone for its history, but we all should be grateful that Null & Co. aren't quick to reach for ban hammers unlike other sites. That gives us the freedom we can enjoy and I appreciate prioritizing a free posting experience over a stringent, suffocating one. Aside from this, HHH has old-poster tenure from 2013 and he likes to remind people of that constantly like a police officer showing his badge whenever someone remotely mentions how he, by his behavior, seems more fit for Something Awful forums, Reddit or Twitter.

He is not a troll. Trolls do it for fun. He does this with the mind of someone who is a political agent in their head, or like a warden or part of Kiwi Farm's immune system. Some part of his mind thinks he is integral in the self-assumed fight against an invisible enemy of right-wingers trying to corrupt the Farms into /pol/.
He likes causing frustration, yes, but he genuinely has a hero complex and an ego problem--one which was decimated when a couple of posters revealed that he only knows as much as anyone else on many of the subjects he feigned both peculiar experience and knowledge on, particularly Covid.

Note his hostility toward Otterly and Fanatical Pragmatist. That is born from envy. He is an IT guy in a hospital, that's all. From this standpoint he could give his experience as such but instead he wanted to be more than that to users he argued with. He will never be, and as a result he liked the pretense of telling people how he'd been to "the front lines" as he called it. He likes to talk down to others, especially those of the different political persuasion to him, and as such when the presumed box he used to stand on to do so was revealed to just be cardboard his ego was irreparably hurt. The reason I have one of his posts in a pic at the bottom of the OP is for this very reason, because it's emblematic of the kind of troublemakers who want to ruin otherwise reasonable discussion.

If I had known bantering with him in the "Are you getting vaccinated?" thread six months ago would incite his fixation, and if I had the forethought to not try one last banter on his and my profile (after he started posting for credentials(?) on my profile) to sate his need for attention and see if we could just return to kiwi bantz, I never would have. Now he's outright possessed, repeating himself like a broken record. Hindsight is 20/20

Worse than the banter and worse than undercutting his ego is the fact that this thread has been so effective. Reasonable discussion, decent banter and a stream of experiences and information are continually updated here by kiwis. It is the very antithesis of a hotheaded anti-vax conspiracy theorist thread. The OP alone proves that. I repeat that the thread is great because of the posters therein, both those inclined toward and against the vaccine. Everyone has poured their all into this and your genuine voices are not just appreciated but have even helped other Kiwi to approach this subject with loved ones and not have it turn into nuclear fallout. Believe it or not, you've already done a lot of good, whoever you are and whatever your position on the subject.

HHH hates that. He hates the thread, hates that it's not a volatile hostile spergfest and he especially hates that posters with medical training and experience in this subject post here too. He hates the personal accounts, hates the verifiable information constantly being updated and hates that he can't pin the jackass tail on the thread since no one--until HHH and friends spam and disrupt the thread past its patience--is foremost inclined to a shouting match simply because another has a different perspective.
If this thread belonged in Spergatory HHH would only occasionally come in to dump on it for fun. As-is, this thread and apparently myself by proxy have become part of his obsession.

The fact that the thread had been derailed predominantly by HHH, then had been locked in misapprehension, likely satisfied HHH quite a lot. However the misunderstanding was cleared up amicably and Null unlocked the thread with a fair judgement. This probably has flared HHH's outrage and might compell him to redouble his efforts. As for me personally, I believe
- All this is why he is fixated on my "credentials" (never claimed to have them; I don't work in medicine. You can look at my post history)
- It's why he is fixated on trying to find a "gotcha moment" with me, like telling people I don't actually live in Anime Tiddies HQ, Australia
- It's why he's doing some weird fail dox thing about saying I'm on welfare (I might've mentioned being on medicaid once?)
- It's why he's saying I'm "schizophrenic", because he truly is a SA/Reddit/4chan tier poster (calling someone a "schizo" has become the go-to for left-leaning posters on those sites to signal for others to disregard anything said, though I've seen it from others across the political spectrum on Twitter, too)
And that is why I don't use the term "obsessed" lightly here and I repeated it so much. He really, truly is definitionally obsessed with me to a concerning degree.

All of this is my perspective. The reason I've written it so dryly is because I'm serious. So again, and hopefully for the last time, I encourage everyone to ignore Hollywood Hulk Hogan. If you believe it appropriate and can justify it only according to the site's proper reasons to report someone, then you can. Certainly do not engage with him, not with banter nor sincerity. His obsessive fixation with me in particular has exploded over the last week and I did not exaggerate when I said he has came to exhibit the earliest signs of being a stalker (I've dealt with such a thing in the past).
Don't let what happened before happen again. Further, you don't want his obsession to glom onto you next.

Back on topic: Some good news for once coming out of a federal ruling in Utica, upstate NY defending healthcare employees' religious exemption rights and suggesting that workers suing the state would likely succeed if these rights were infringed based on their constitutional claim.

And speaking of lawsuits:

The more these mandates have to appear before courts (particularly if their suits involve mentioning recent developments regarding the science of the vaccines (like their ineffectiveness against preventing contraction and spread of the Delta or how Moderna is halted in four countries for heart inflammation concerns, see OP) to back-up the reason for employees to not want to be vaccinated if they so choose) the more chances we have of getting rid of the mandates and being able to choose for ourselves what we want to do with our bodies without penalty of losing our livelihood. Remember the "slippery slope fallacy" is itself a fallacy; laws are typically made or broken based on precedent, precedents established by court ruling.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

It's very, very unlikely though and you can catch covid and die from not being vaccinated a hell of a lot more likely. Is this your autism being unable to distinguish between 0% and 99% again?

I mean I had COVID right before the Vaccines were available, along with my fam and roommates. All of them survived, with at most being what felt like either a minor cold or a flu to them. That's a good amount of people and yet not one of them died and still haven't caught it again, including the unhealthy ones.

Using your logic, at least one of us should have died due to us not being vaccinated, yet all of us made it through just fine. It wasn't a small number either so you can't say 'it's ancedotal'.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I mean I had COVID right before the Vaccines were available, along with my fam and roommates. All of them survived, with at most being what felt like either a minor cold or a flu to them. That's a good amount of people and yet not one of them died and still haven't caught it again, including the unhealthy ones.

Using your logic, at least one of us should have died due to us not being vaccinated, yet all of us made it through just fine. It wasn't a small number either so you can't say 'it's ancedotal'.

Hulk sounds like that kinda nigga.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I mean I had COVID right before the Vaccines were available, along with my fam and roommates. All of them survived, with at most being what felt like either a minor cold or a flu to them. That's a good amount of people and yet not one of them died and still haven't caught it again, including the unhealthy ones.

Using your logic, at least one of us should have died due to us not being vaccinated, yet all of us made it through just fine. It wasn't a small number either so you can't say 'it's ancedotal'.

Using your logic, 0 people should've died and instead 700k did.

For someone so afraid of getting doxxed, you sure do like mouthing off on subjects you know nothing about.

Now come on, post your credentials.

That's ironic coming from the guy who lost his life savings to a crypto scam and thinks viruses mutate because of the vaccine. Look, if I want to know how to lose my money to grifters, I will ask you. However, adults are talking now and despite your gullible nature, you don't know more about the vaccine than doctors and scientists. No one in this thread does.

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@EyelessMC that's a lot of autism to just say you have no credentials, either. And yes, I point out how those two people are obviously lying. Anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. I know you're a gullible retard, but people lie on the internet. Just because your schizophrenia keeps you from realizing it because the voices in your head tell you that the vaccine means certain death doesn't mean you are right. You spaz out because I have no credentials to talk about vaccines, yet you also have no credentials to talk about vaccines. You don't see the hypocrisy there?

Oh, and you want "Info General" and claim that I "hate this thread", yet anytime someone disagrees with you, you just tardrage and ignore their point entirely. If you really wanted "Info General", you'd be fine with positives about the vaccines, too. However, you don't want that. The voices in your diseased brain told you that the vaccine was bad, so you go off on unrelated tangents any time I point out your info is wrong instead of addressing my point. People disagreeing with your anti-vax views and that everyone who takes the vaccine will die obviously sets you off on some sort of seething rage.

I have tried to talk to you on your profile about this, but instead you just passive aggressively talk shit about me in this thread without even addressing points I make. Seriously, get some mental help. Schizophrenia is no joke.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Using your logic, 0 people should've died and instead 700k did.


That's ironic coming from the guy who lost his life savings to a crypto scam and thinks viruses mutate because of the vaccine.

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@EyelessMC that's a lot of autism to just say you have no credentials, either. And yes, I point out how those two people are obviously lying. Anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. I know you're a gullible retard, but people lie on the internet. Just because your schizophrenia keeps you from realizing it because the voices in your head tell you that the vaccine means certain death doesn't mean you are right. You spaz out because I have no credentials to talk about vaccines, yet you also have no credentials to talk about vaccines. You don't see the hypocrisy there?

I don't see any credentials here, just empty talk from a coward afraid of getting doxxed. Now come on, why should we listen to you?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I don't see any credentials here, just empty talk from a coward afraid of getting doxxed. Now come on, why should we listen to you?

I am not saying to listen to me, but you should listen to doctors and scientists about a subject they devoted their lives to studying.

Kind of like if I wanted to lose my life savings in a crypto scam or be gullible enough to fall for QAnon, I would ask you

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I am not saying to listen to me, but you should listen to doctors and scientists about a subject they devoted their lives to studying.

Kind of like if I wanted to lose my life savings in a crypto scam or be gullible enough to fall for QAnon, I would ask you

So in other words, your opinion on this can be safely disregarded. Now I suggest you leave the thread if you're that afraid of being doxxed.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Using your logic, 0 people should've died and instead 700k did.

Using your logic, we should be focusing more on heart disease.

COVID-19 third leading cause of U.S. deaths in 2020 after heart disease, cancer -U.S. report

COVID-19 was the primary or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths in the United States last year, with a particularly high toll among the elderly, according to a government report released on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

So in other words, your opinion on this can be safely disregarded. Now I suggest you leave the thread if you're that afraid of being doxxed.

Nah, I can talk here and just not powerlevel info that would lead to such a thing happening.

Using your logic, we should be focusing more on heart disease.

COVID-19 third leading cause of U.S. deaths in 2020 after heart disease, cancer -U.S. report

COVID-19 was the primary or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths in the United States last year, with a particularly high toll among the elderly, according to a government report released on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

I do think we should do more to promote exercise and healthy eating. Michelle Obama tried that and you right-wingers threw a temper tantrum about it, though

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Using your logic, we should be focusing more on heart disease.

COVID-19 third leading cause of U.S. deaths in 2020 after heart disease, cancer -U.S. report

COVID-19 was the primary or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths in the United States last year, with a particularly high toll among the elderly, according to a government report released on Wednesday.

www.reuters.com

If an obese person dies from the coof, can we say that obesity was the cause? Americans would be a lot more healthier if the government banned high fructose corn syrup instead of implementing some fascist vaccine nonsense.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Michelle Obama tried that and you right-wingers threw a temper tantrum about it, though

Ahh yes, the left is a bastion of physical and mental health. Every day I look at Lena Dunham and Moviebob and be like 'wow, I need to work harder everyday to achieve the body type that Moviebob has'

Even then, the damage from the fear-mongering has been killing the very ideas the left should be standing for:

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Ahh yes, the left is a bastion of physical and mental health. Every day I look at Lena Dunham and Moviebob and be like 'wow, I need to work harder everyday to achieve the body type that Moviebob has'

Even then, the damage from the fear-mongering has been killing the very ideas the left should be standing for:

And? Michelle Obama tried to push for it and you Republicans threw huge temper tantrums about it. Instead of looking like a GOP simping boomer, you could just say, "Yes, she was right and people were stupid to tardrage about that".

Or is it only okay to push for healthier diet and exercise if it wasn't Obama's wife doing it?

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

And? Michelle Obama tried to push for it and you Republicans threw huge temper tantrums about it. Instead of looking like a GOP simping boomer, you could just say, "Yes, she was right and people were stupid to tardrage about that".

Or is it only okay to push for healthier diet and exercise if it wasn't Obama's wife doing it?

Don't try to deflect and move the goal-post. You're acting like obesity is easily solvable by some woman who has above-celebrity status telling people to exercise is the equivalent to the great awakening even though it's been an issue before Bush was in office. It's stupid to tardrage, but until I see those who proclaim to be liberal follow up on what they preach about it's just as stupid to deflect about this.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

And? Michelle Obama tried to push for it and you Republicans threw huge temper tantrums about it. Instead of looking like a GOP simping boomer, you could just say, "Yes, she was right and people were stupid to tardrage about that".

Or is it only okay to push for healthier diet and exercise if it wasn't Obama's wife doing it?

Gross, she looks like Mike Tyson. Also Obama smokes cigarettes, it's a filthy habit for filthy people.

 

[Nom Carver]

OP literally just made a post giving you every reason in the world and then some to ignore HHH's obsessive, autistic 'le epic trollllssssss XD' sperging and you go right back to it literally the next message.