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It's generally copium.I have heard this my entire life and have never met a woman like that. Maybe it's just where I live, I don't know.
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It's generally copium.I have heard this my entire life and have never met a woman like that. Maybe it's just where I live, I don't know.
No look, it's very important to talk about how men have the ability to take away women's agency just by existing and that normal everyday men are pushing for the lunatics we make fun of in this thread.Can you retards stop with the radfem conspiracy theories? I feel like we can't make fun of trannies anymore without having a bunch of roasties go "The patriarchy caused the trans epidemic because it forced people to confirm to gender roles!!1 Women are literally oppressed and brainwashed into serving men!! Literally the Handmaiden's Tale!!"
This isn't the Oppression Olympics thread. Stop derailing the thread with needless bullshit. Go to Ovarit if you want to sperg about the patriarchy. And while you're at it, go back to the thread's original roots: making fun of trannies.
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I think there's a better than even chance that this is a TERF who managed to pull one over on the FtM troons based on the replies.Toxic masculinity= the preferred method of "power" for those with tiny to no pee-pees
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Calm down lolheavily documented evidence of males being extremely violent and sexually abusive against women and children for centuries: exists
moids: this is all women’s fault!
you fucking faggots derailed the thread with the homophobic bullshit and then threw massive mantrums when a tiny bit of critical thinking was applied to your retardery. now you’re all bitching like a bunch of teenage girls about how meeeeeaaaannnnn it is that women dare to remind you how sexually violent males of any sexuality are - even though you pissy little bitches will literally point that out yourselves at any opportunity. stop being such a bunch of whining candy asses. we get it, you’re useless betas who blame roasties and fags for your failures in life and sperging all over this thread is the most interaction with adult human females any of you can get. serve up the tranny funnies, stop bringing your retarded homophobic pedo conspiracy spergery into the thread, and shut the fuck up.
Yeah, no. This person is deffo legitI think there's a better than even chance that this is a TERF who managed to pull one over on the FtM troons based on the replies.
Are you on your period or something?heavily documented evidence of males being extremely violent and sexually abusive against women and children for centuries: exists
moids: this is all women’s fault!
you fucking faggots derailed the thread with the homophobic bullshit and then threw massive mantrums when a tiny bit of critical thinking was applied to your retardery. now you’re all bitching like a bunch of teenage girls about how meeeeeaaaannnnn it is that women dare to remind you how sexually violent males of any sexuality are - even though you pissy little bitches will literally point that out yourselves at any opportunity. stop being such a bunch of whining candy asses. we get it, you’re useless betas who blame roasties and fags for your failures in life and sperging all over this thread is the most interaction with adult human females any of you can get. serve up the tranny funnies, stop bringing your retarded homophobic pedo conspiracy spergery into the thread, and shut the fuck up.
She should use that bat on herself.
YYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS KWEEEEEEN SLAAAAAAAAAYheavily documented evidence of males being extremely violent and sexually abusive against women and children for centuries: exists
moids: this is all women’s fault!
you fucking faggots derailed the thread with the homophobic bullshit and then threw massive mantrums when a tiny bit of critical thinking was applied to your retardery. now you’re all bitching like a bunch of teenage girls about how meeeeeaaaannnnn it is that women dare to remind you how sexually violent males of any sexuality are - even though you pissy little bitches will literally point that out yourselves at any opportunity. stop being such a bunch of whining candy asses. we get it, you’re useless betas who blame roasties and fags for your failures in life and sperging all over this thread is the most interaction with adult human females any of you can get. serve up the tranny funnies, stop bringing your retarded homophobic pedo conspiracy spergery into the thread, and shut the fuck up.
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Late but I finally decided to watch The Closer just to see what everyone on Twitter was screeching about.
I’ve never heard of David Chappelle so this is my first time watching anything of his, and because of all the criticism I expected something a lot more... Extreme. I’m an autist so maybe there’s something I missed, but to me it seemed that he actually respects trans people but just wants them to stop screeching about pronouns, be able to take things with a bit of humor, and stop thinking they’re more oppressed than black people. Nothing he said came off as hateful, just exhausted/worried, but trannies tend to see genuine concern as hate so what was I expecting. Chappelle actually points out that trans people deserve basic human respect like anyone else, but I guess that will never be enough for them.
I’m baffled by this idea that you don’t need to watch something to understand it. The special was completely different than what I was expecting based on what I heard about it, and it makes me think that trannies really do consider themselves some protected class that should never be poked fun at or else anyone within earshot will go on a tranny-murdering rampage (even though Chappelle makes jokes about white/black/Jewish/gay/whatever people and no one’s accusing him of killing them). It also makes me think that trans people consider words to have this kind of power in the first place because they themselves will have a mental breakdown if someone says something slightly mean about them, so they assume everyone else is as easily affected, which is why they’re so hung up on comebacks and “owning” transphobes, or calling TERFs ugly. They think their words have power because they’re weak to the words of others, but well-adjusted people don’t operate like them.
Chappelle also makes a good point about how the trans community eats their own if anyone dare strays from the popular opinion, but that seemed to completely fly over their heads.
That is a troon humble brag.Sexism boner time (inkeeping with the thread's current theme)!View attachment 2627247
The recent sperging in this thread is fascinating. Obligatory "um, both sides" and I get it's the woke thing to do now to pretend men and women have no differences to one another at all. The butthurt when you point out disparate crime rates or social trends is impressive though. "We dindu nuffin." Men are truly the niggers of gender.
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I quit scrolling just above the glasses, and I could've sworn Kevin Gibes got another shitty dye job.
It's not just the AGP smirk that troons have in common. It's also the male pattern baldness and forehead wrinkles combination.
fr why can’t they ever just smile nicely
They never learned to.fr why can’t they ever just smile nicely![]()
Imagine living rent free so hard in people's heads that you get a whole block of text dedicated to you.Spotting Terf Ideology Guide 2.0
Introduction
Trans liberation is part of feminism. Fighting for autonomy and freedom must be a fight for everyone, and there should be no room for transphobia or TERFs in feminist organising. We are committed to not only a trans inclusive but a trans liberatory feminism. This guide helps people understand what TERFs are and what makes “TERF-ism” a distinct subcategory of transphobia, how to spot TERF ideology, how to deal with it, and how to make spaces trans inclusive.
So if you think sexism only happens based on sex and you're a fucking filthy vagina haver who uses feminism to say this you're a TERF. I wasn't under the impression most people blindly followed all feminist like pastors but alright.What is a TERF?
“TERF” stands for “Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist”. TERF ideology is a specific form of transphobia. The primary TERF assertion is that trans women are not women, and accordingly have no place in women’s spaces. TERFs define misogyny as sex-based oppression, which results from being “biologically female” (a term they define flexibly, but can often be taken to mean people who are assigned female at birth).
This is reductive and works on a narrow definition of what constitutes “biological” sex. TERFs claim all women, on the basis of biology, experience the same kinds of oppression. This completely glosses over the way that gender and sex are both systems of power that interact with other systems of power and oppression, such as racism, ableism, and colonialism. Women are not a homogenous group, and some people who experience misogyny are not women. Oppression can occur on the basis of physiological characteristics (e.g. limiting access to abortions) and fighting that oppression is feminist work, but there are many other manifestations of misogyny and oppression that are essential to feminist liberation.
These two points are so fucking inoffensive it really makes one wonder if looking for TERFs makes you a good guy or not.Spotting TERFs in the Field
Most TERFs don’t call themselves TERFs. Terminology evolves over time, so while the following common terms are signs to look out for, it is more worthwhile to examine what the underlying ideology of a claim is. The core characteristics of TERFs are a conservative, binary, essentialist conception of sex as the be-all-end-all, and a deep hatred for trans women, couched in the language of feminism and feminist theory. Most trans people reading anything indicated as feminist work will keep an eye out for this way of thinking because we have to; as an ally it is worth learning to do the same and looking at your own writing with a critical eye.
- TERFs often self-refer as “gender critical” or “adult human female”
- They refer to believing in “sex-based rights”, “LGB rights”, and “protecting women and girls”
Usually, they say "I am a woman" rather than no pronouns. We know our pronouns, can you tell what they are?
- They refer to trans people as “TRAs” (Trans Rights Activists), “the trans lobby”, “the trans debate”, and to trans women as “TIMs” (Trans Identified Males)
- They typically dislike the term cis(gender), and may say “I don’t have a gender identity” or “I don’t have pronouns”
Top point is a loaded statement. Yes on the first part, "PUBLIC SPACES" without specifying what those spaces are are weasel words. "Public spaces like.... bathrooms. And gym lockers. And spas. And uh...." At least throw in a drag queen story hour as a panic defense.
- TERFs will refer to issue of trans people in bathrooms or changing rooms as being about “predators” and co-opt the language of sexual violence to refer to trans people existing in public spaces
- Their narratives represent transmasculine people as confused, redeemable, and often as children and teenagers “corrupted” by the “trans lobby”, and transfeminine people as predatory, aggressive, and the ones doing the corrupting.
Bully them, but one on one. They might dogpile you otherwise. Make sure to confront them in real life instead of online.Talking to TERFs
Online
The key advice is don’t. Arguing with a stranger on Twitter won’t change their mind. If it’s someone you know and you want to engage, the best approach is to privately message (and if possible, call them and follow the advice in the next section). People are often defensive and conscious of how they appear when confronted publicly on social media, or in a comments section.
Arguing with TERFs online means that you’ll be bringing transphobia into the timeline of your trans friends and followers, who won’t want to see that. Some particularly committed TERFs may even start harassing trans people you know if you’ve interacted publicly recently.
Why? What harm will it do? Will it arm the people with mean words and make trans people commit bathtub toaster? Is it like the AIDS crisis that forced people out of jobs in witchhunts? What is the end goal here?In-Person
It is worth talking to someone you know (maybe a friend or a family member), as the unique danger of TERF rhetoric is that it is styled to sound like feminism. It also is increasingly normalised in the British media, so TERF talking points might be the first thing someone’s ever really heard about trans people. People often get pulled in by one particular topic, so the best time to have a conversation is early.
WHERE DID YOU GET THIS? WHO IS THE TERF IN CHARGE??? TAKE ME TO HER. WE MUST PURGE THIS THOUGHT FROM THE GROUND UP.The first thing is to try and figure out where they got it from. Did they hear it from a friend, or read a news article? If they’ve read something. and it’s the first thing they’ve heard about trans people or the first time they’ve taken an interest, it may be relatively easy to inform them about where they’re going wrong, and why what they’re backing is harmful. If they’ve heard it from someone they trust and care about, consider how you frame the argument to avoid it becoming about personal relationships, which may make them defensive.
What? What?! What!?Like a lot of reactionary ideology, there comes a point where the particular argument becomes unimportant. It won’t be helpful to unpick the false assumptions if someone is committed to the underlying ideology itself. In this situation, if you still want to have the discussion, it’s best to talk through what the endpoint of their ideology is - either they will commit to it, in which case there’s not much to be done besides reducing the harm they can do to others, or they will consider what their views imply and perhaps become open to being dissuaded. If the person has strong feminist commitments, it may also be worth bringing up that TERFs (particularly the famous ones who figurehead the movement) spend a lot of time working with the far-right.
Can you help provide one? Or am I supposed to know this by heart thanks to England's strict teachings or some shit?Meaningful Trans Inclusion
The language of TERF ideology is ever changing, always with the aim of sounding reasonable. If your approach to spotting and fighting TERFs is purely based on words and optics, then you’re vulnerable to being taken onboard by a new dogwhistle or talking point. It’s not enough to disavow TERFs in words alone and say “Trans Rights are Human Rights'' or “Trans Women are Women”. The only way to prevent yourself falling prey to TERF talking points is to develop a critical understanding of concepts like sex and gender and the systems of power and oppression that underly them. TERF ideology incorrectly analyses and obscures these relations, and the best defense is to have a better explanation.
Imagine handing this guide to a male engineering major who doesn't have time to do any activities unrelated to his major.Trans liberation is a feminist fight and transfeminism is feminism we should all be doing. More than inclusion we should be aiming for liberation. That said, here are some things you can do to go beyond just making statements and support trans people in your feminist work:
- Create spaces in which someone’s presence isn’t questioned, or required to be explained, based on their appearance, and that trans people are comfortable coming to
- Trans liberation is an essential part of feminism, and in the current climate any feminist organisation doing valuable work will have trans liberation and transfeminism integral to what they are doing
Me, me, me! Sounds like I got some reading to do later, maybe it won't pussyfoot on those answers I've been looking for(ha, no).
- Ensure trans people lead discussion and action on issues that affect them
- Encourage people to unlearn the gender and sex binary and teach themselves why it is reductive and harmful (see the reading list)
- Engage in and support the struggles of all marginalized people. Many feminist spaces that are hostile to trans people are also racist and ableist. Feminist work needs to be anti-racist and accessible
This sounds like a fun retarded time. Maybe once Amholio takes some transformers out of their amhole she'll do an annotated reading in deep thoughts with them. Sounds like a fun time for all involved, kiwi debate hour!Reading List
All the texts in this list contain discussions of transmisogyny and transphobia, often in addition to colonialism, misogyny, queerphobia - anything particularly graphic or additional has been separately content-noted either next to the link or on the linked page.
QUICK ESSENTIAL READS
The Transfeminist Manifesto - Emi Koyama
https://eminism.org/readings/pdf-rdg/tfmanifesto.pdf
Debunking “Trans Women are not Women” Arguments - Julia Serano https://medium.com/@juliaserano/debunking-trans-women-are-not-women-arguments-85fd5ab0e19c
Why Sex Isn’t Binary - Darren Incorvaia
http://www.scientistafoundation.com/lifestyle-blog/why-sex-isnt-binary
Cambridge SU LGBT+ - The Trans Inclusion Guide https://www.cambridgesu.co.uk/resources/guides/transinclusionguide/
FURTHER READING
TERF Wars: An introduction - Ruth Pearce, Sonja Erikainen, and Ben Vincent
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0038026120934713
Disregard and Danger: Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie and the voices of trans (and cis) African feminists - B Camminga (requires University access) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0038026120934695
[CN: discussions of trauma] Hot Allostatic Load - Porpentine https://thenewinquiry.com/hot-allostatic-load/
[CN: t-slur] Towards an Insurrectionary Transfeminism - Anonymous https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-towards-an-insurrectionary-transfeminism.pdf
The Gender Ternary: Understanding Transmisogyny – Lisa Milbank https://radtransfem.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/genderternary-transmisogyny/
Against Performativity - AJ
https://www.ebb-magazine.com/essays/against-performativity
LONG-READS
Trans In The UK: What The Hell Are We Going To Do? - Harry Josephine Giles
https://harryjosiegiles.medium.com/trans-in-the-uk-what-the-hell-are-we-going-to-do-73fef741cef6
On Women as a Class: Materialist Feminism and Mass Struggle - Alyson Escalante https://medium.com/@alysonescalante/on-women-as-a-class-materialist-feminism-and-mass-struggle-42a228bde888
Heterosexualism and the Modern/Colonial Gender System - Maria Lugones https://nycstandswithstandingrock.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/lugones-2007.pdf
B. Binaohan - decolonizing transgender 101 https://publishbiyuti.org/blog/2014/06/decolonizing-transgender-101/
Whipping Girl - Julia Serano
Stone Butch Blues - Leslie Feinberg
Transgender Marxism - Jules Joanne Gleeson and Elle O’Rourke
Trans: A Memoir - Juliet Jacques
The Transgender Issue - Shon Faye
I'm going to be an absolute bitch for this so I'll take the autism and trash bin reactions - but there is a reason for those stereotypes.There is a distinction to be made. An adult male's sexual orientation is not defined by the fact that he sexually abused a boy or a girl. When you say that 90% of the predators were gay, you are conflating sex offenders who had male victims with gay men. Pedophiles are opportunistic, so they tend to go after whatever they can get. People are more protective over young girls and so male pedophiles have less opportunity to go after them. In fact, most child molesters are heterosexual when it comes to sexual attraction to adults.
Russia in particular associates homosexuals with rapists for a number of reasons. Rape in the Gulag was rampant, (though ironically it was the homosexuals that were most often subjected to rape by other prisoners). The same goes for prisons. There is also an attempt by the Orthodox Church to associate pedophilia with homosexuality because the church is homophobic. By associating the two, the church can make its followers averse to homosexuality. The same goes for the modern Russian government, which long has considered homosexuals and pedophiles to be synonymous.
This idea is so entrenched in Russian society that the Russian equivalent to the word faggot actually comes from the word pederast. Sure the people in the video may have gone after pedophiles, but it is much more likely that they were going after gay men who they found on the internet or grindr. It was trendy for nationalists at that time to lure gay men to a discreet location to kill them or humiliate them on camera. You'll often hear in the videos (which are not for the faint of heart) that the perpetrators call the victims pedophiles and child molesters, but that is more so a slur or their own conflation of the two.
Note that males are less likely than females to report, and sexual abuse in the gay community is fervently denied but it is not a conspiracy theory by right wing retards. This study came out this year. Another one.That's five people out of nearly a hundred, though. Given that 1 in 9 women were sexually abused as minors, and that 82% of CSA victims are female, I guarantee you the statistics-- 1 in 20-- are about the same for straight men. I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that you'd get the same result if you pulled up a list of 100 random straight men.
Questioned my gender for 12 years, felt all the feelings when Elliot Page came out, realized I was trans on a 4am Reddit binge a few days later, and started coming out to family and friends the next morning!
I've just been saying stupid shit to provoke people, I don't what the fuck the rest of these people are on about.The recent sperging in this thread is fascinating. Obligatory "um, both sides" and I get it's the woke thing to do now to pretend men and women have no differences to one another at all. The butthurt when you point out disparate crime rates or social trends is impressive though. "We dindu nuffin." Men are truly the niggers of gender.