Son Goku Baku
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2020
What I'm hearing you say is that Liliana would write exactly the same as how Onision wrote his books but with more girls.
Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
- Thread starter chadmuska
- Start date
-
🐕 I am attempting to get the site runnning as fast as possible. If you are experiencing slow page load times, please report it.
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2021
starborn427614
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 27, 2020
Lily doesn't have an ounce of backbone so she wouldn't last long in the industry. The closest comparison I have off the top of my head is Lauren/Jesse Zuke. She'd seethe over not being able to make characters (who aren't hers) gay before storming off and writing a secret blog about how her former boss is the worst person ever.
BreadLoafGuy69
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2020
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2020
Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Welp, I’m about to start crying. My s…
archived 14 Oct 2021 08:22:10 UTC
Stuck Pooh
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Oct 10, 2021
I love how her solution for all problems is to yell at them.
On further thought, I think that Lily inspiring people to write fanfiction about her OC's is the most positive contribution to society she has ever done.
On further thought, I think that Lily inspiring people to write fanfiction about her OC's is the most positive contribution to society she has ever done.
- Joined
- Nov 26, 2018
This story doesn't make any sense.View attachment 2624642
More bad advice for dealing with parents. Seriously who is legitimately coming to Lily for help? The girl was thrown into a psych lock up for acting on the antagonistic advice she spouts.Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Welp, I’m about to start crying. My s…
archived 14 Oct 2021 08:22:10 UTCarchive.md
I assume by sperm donor she means dad. So this 17 year old (in college?) takes a mythology class which portrays Christianity as a mythology, which it's liken to do because it's not centered on it. And their dad doesn't like it so he gets her kicked out somehow, and the school doesn't push back or supply her with a replacement for her required class. A college wouldn't do that.
But boy is this story ever convenient if the person receiving it is Lily who loves to supply minors with terrible advice under the guise of helping them to be independent.
Son Goku Baku
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Jan 6, 2020
Liliana, if anon already has such an abusive and controlling father that he's willing to take his daughter/son out of a class, exactly what makes you think that said parent wouldn't just react violently or double down on some worse way if their kid started reacting like that? Yelling at abusive people might feel good in theory and in fiction, but in reality kids who attempts it only get more abuse in response until they're so broken down they comply to avoid more harm.
This's the exact reason why nobody ever believes that you were abused by your parents and you were just a disgrace landed upon their house. Someone that actually went through that trauma would be advicing coping mechanism or ways to actually fix the issue the issue (maybe talk with a teacher? the other parent? anyone with any kind of authority?) instead of making it actually worse. You talk like someone who has never recieved a good deck on the face or got told to fuck off and it shows.
It's a subtle form of victim blaming too to say that this hypothetical anon has all the power to stop this dynamic by just yelling enough, therefore making it their fault if it keeps happening.
This's the exact reason why nobody ever believes that you were abused by your parents and you were just a disgrace landed upon their house. Someone that actually went through that trauma would be advicing coping mechanism or ways to actually fix the issue the issue (maybe talk with a teacher? the other parent? anyone with any kind of authority?) instead of making it actually worse. You talk like someone who has never recieved a good deck on the face or got told to fuck off and it shows.
It's a subtle form of victim blaming too to say that this hypothetical anon has all the power to stop this dynamic by just yelling enough, therefore making it their fault if it keeps happening.
starborn427614
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 27, 2020
Sorry, sperm, donor???View attachment 2624642
More bad advice for dealing with parents. Seriously who is legitimately coming to Lily for help? The girl was thrown into a psych lock up for acting on the antagonistic advice she spouts.Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, Welp, I’m about to start crying. My s…
archived 14 Oct 2021 08:22:10 UTC
- Joined
- May 27, 2020
It's popped up in the last few years, mostly among leftists. It's a reference to one's father in a manner that disowns the familial connection, either because the child is adopted or just really pissy at Dad.
thebananaonion
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Mar 5, 2019
remember guys, she fancies herself a cartoon critic.
yet she doesnt know why celebs are chosen over voice actors.
first of all, just because you're an actor that does not mean you'd be good in front of a moke doing VA work. It's two different skillsets. sure you could be good at both but you get people out there who can play the guitar and the drums.
With physical acting its not always about how spot on your delivery is. your vocal delivery can be a tiny bit off but if your body movement/positioning and facial expressions are good enough that can sometimes mask a poorer line delivery. With voice acting your delivery has to be stopped on or its more noticeable, especially in shows where the animation tends to be less expressive and more 'stiffer' (i.e family guy or something like that).
Many live-action actors just dont have the vocal trainer to be a voice actor, plus most voice actors have more than one voice they can do, because its their job to copy/imitate other voices/ have many at their disposal so all the characters they voice dont sound the same. Sure sometimes their acting can sound the same but there's a limit to what one person can do- pluuuse 'unique' voices are harder to come up with that immitating a character thats already pre-established but meh not that relevant. It's why most celebrities who are brought on for voicing cartoon characters use 'their voice' in these films- its the only one they have as they're not a trained voice actor!
On the topic of why celebrities are chosen over competent voice actors, it's literally a call of discussion in relevant times with the super Mario movie. They didnt hire the va for 20-ish years at this point to play mario because illumination is stupid and they live off of popular celebrity names to have a chance at selling tickets. wanna know why? Big names sell tickets.
It's a trick as old as time. Parents may not care for a movie initially but once they hear X celebrity they vaguely know or care about has their voice in it, now their interest is there. It's been a thing for decades now but began picking up speeds as a common thing in the 90's. Hell its an off form version of celebrity cameos- just a different flavour of it.
sure there are people out there who could put on a voice for different characters, Jim Carrey, Johnny Depp and Jack black has kinda done it before but eeeeeeh- an off accent in that one wrestling film he did is kind of a grey area in this convo. But that's rare. most celeb voices is just their normal voice.
But those are rare.
Actors are not voice actors just like how voice actors arent actors. Sure a person can be both but just because you're one, doesn't mean you'll be good at the other. don't work like that, lily.
With physical acting its not always about how spot on your delivery is. your vocal delivery can be a tiny bit off but if your body movement/positioning and facial expressions are good enough that can sometimes mask a poorer line delivery. With voice acting your delivery has to be stopped on or its more noticeable, especially in shows where the animation tends to be less expressive and more 'stiffer' (i.e family guy or something like that).
Many live-action actors just dont have the vocal trainer to be a voice actor, plus most voice actors have more than one voice they can do, because its their job to copy/imitate other voices/ have many at their disposal so all the characters they voice dont sound the same. Sure sometimes their acting can sound the same but there's a limit to what one person can do- pluuuse 'unique' voices are harder to come up with that immitating a character thats already pre-established but meh not that relevant. It's why most celebrities who are brought on for voicing cartoon characters use 'their voice' in these films- its the only one they have as they're not a trained voice actor!
On the topic of why celebrities are chosen over competent voice actors, it's literally a call of discussion in relevant times with the super Mario movie. They didnt hire the va for 20-ish years at this point to play mario because illumination is stupid and they live off of popular celebrity names to have a chance at selling tickets. wanna know why? Big names sell tickets.
It's a trick as old as time. Parents may not care for a movie initially but once they hear X celebrity they vaguely know or care about has their voice in it, now their interest is there. It's been a thing for decades now but began picking up speeds as a common thing in the 90's. Hell its an off form version of celebrity cameos- just a different flavour of it.
sure there are people out there who could put on a voice for different characters, Jim Carrey, Johnny Depp and Jack black has kinda done it before but eeeeeeh- an off accent in that one wrestling film he did is kind of a grey area in this convo. But that's rare. most celeb voices is just their normal voice.
But those are rare.
Actors are not voice actors just like how voice actors arent actors. Sure a person can be both but just because you're one, doesn't mean you'll be good at the other. don't work like that, lily.
god you think as a chronically online individual who's been on youtube and consuming its content for over a decade at this point, who also claims to have an interest in cartoons- would watch videos about these topics. Hell it's how i got this info myself (shared interest + my own research on top of the vids i saw). its pretty common knowledge why celebs bring seats to animated movie theatres if you're in the animation fandom. pretty surface level shit.
- Joined
- Apr 16, 2021
This dumb bitch.
I wonder if she knows, or has thought about, why people were upset at the Mario movie casting. Being a cartoon reviewer, she should have at least a little thought about it. Afterall, it's what the ask is implying.
starborn427614
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Aug 27, 2020
I think it's time we stopped calling Lily a cartoon reviewer and just call it how it is: She's a content creator. She creates content. There is nothing of worth in the content, no passion or drive and definitely nothing actually intellectually stimulating or philosophical to say but hey at least it pays the bills.
King_Boo_Official
kiwifarms.net
- Joined
- Sep 11, 2020
I never actually saw her as a cartoon reviewer; just somebody who happened to use the cartoons and movies they watch as an avenue to make certain points and start discussions. That one video on the MLP Season 5 premiere, where she used the episode itself and Josh's response to it as a jumping-off point to discuss socialism and communism, is a good example of this.
And honestly, that's not a bad thing. A benefit of this format is that almost anybody can follow along even if they haven't seen the show or movie she's talking about, because it's only one piece of the puzzle. At the best of times (years ago before she went completely off the deep end), Lily was able to accurately and adequately convey enough information about her reference points to keep things moving, while also sticking to the central topic. You didn't need to see the episode Do Princesses Dream Of Magic Sheep? to understand "Self Destruction", you didn't need to watch The Cutie Map to understand "On Your Marx", and so on, because she only used those episodes as examples of wider trends. More of a political pundit/ general media critic than a "cartoon reviewer", but once upon a time she... wasn't terrible at it.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Aug 3, 2021
@thebananaonion I think you have my favorite spooky avatar.
And I'd heard Sperm donor a few years back, and from non permanently online far left types, but usually only if the dad was a complete deadbeat.
Also, maybe its just me, but if I had a mythology class and we start talking about Christianity, I'd be annoyed. Its not hard to find resources for learning about the world's most common religion, and while I've only been to Canada once, I'm gonna bet you can easily find churches everywhere. It is a bit harder to stumble across information on the Babylonian pantheon for instance.
Finally, yeah it sucks if the story is true (x to doubt), but just because someone wrongs you doesn't mean that you need to act like a spazz and torch a bridge with a family member.
And I'd heard Sperm donor a few years back, and from non permanently online far left types, but usually only if the dad was a complete deadbeat.
Also, maybe its just me, but if I had a mythology class and we start talking about Christianity, I'd be annoyed. Its not hard to find resources for learning about the world's most common religion, and while I've only been to Canada once, I'm gonna bet you can easily find churches everywhere. It is a bit harder to stumble across information on the Babylonian pantheon for instance.
Finally, yeah it sucks if the story is true (x to doubt), but just because someone wrongs you doesn't mean that you need to act like a spazz and torch a bridge with a family member.
- Joined
- Nov 14, 2020
Update from the sperm donor Anon. Again, why the need to tie this up in a neat little bow? This feels fake.
Lily Orchard's Official Tumblr, (Update from the mythology class Anon…
archived 14 Oct 2021 23:28:45 UTC
Lily Orchard on Twitter: "😱😱LILY ORCHARD'S SECRET ALT ACCOUNT BECAM…
archived 15 Oct 2021 01:25:31 UTC
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2020
'Sperm donor' also means 'somebody who donates sperm to fertilize my egg in order to conceive a child'. I legitimately thought Anon was talking about a boyfriend until I fully parsed the Ask and only understood they meant their dad when I saw the replies in this thread. On goes the degradation of language.
Regarding the story itself-- bullshit. The timing simply doesn't make sense. The Anon sounds like a high schooler ("I'll have to go to college next year"), but if that's the case they would already be going to college next year? Semesters start in the fall. It's also early enough into the school year that the school should be able to make arrangements to switch to an equivalent humanities class and do catch-up work to make up for the missing credit; it's really not all that uncommon for a student to switch classes if they're having problems. This is assuming they're from the US, of course; maybe Anon is Canadian and the system is different.
Either way it's interesting that she gets an Ask where she talk about 'pretend fascist sky-daddy' just a few days after somebody's begun to break down Tales of the Val'kyr, which is all about Lily taking out her daddy issues on pretend fascist sky-daddy.
Fake Edit: And then it wraps up so neatly by a Strong Woman taking over. This isn't really unheard of but why the fuck did the Anon feel the need to whine about it to Lily in the first place? (We're assuming this is real in any capacity, of course.) Lily shrieks about parasocial relationships and how her fans should stop sending her these kinds of Asks and then still replies and posts and encourages.
I actually don't disagree with Lily on this. Which isn't the same as agreeing with her.
I had a huge tangent here but suffice to say that the reason for casting actors over voice actors is more complicated than 'exploiting known names to get butts in seats' and more problematic than 'actors are actors and should be hired on merit', Hollywood and LA culture overall is extremely incestuous and insular even among those poor overlooked voice actors (who still have enough money to buy and sell everybody in this thread), and that even with that taken into account there different styles of voice acting that simply don't translate from a video game (where the only dialogue is in the form of cartoony exclamations) to a full-length movie script.
It's a legitimately complex issue that can't just be boiled down to "Hire the original VAs you cowards!" If Lily were to be pressed on this I'm pretty sure she wouldn't actually be able to put together any kind of discussion, nuanced or otherwise. Come to think, has she ever even expressed anything about the art of voice acting, or is it on the same level as 'visuals in a cartoon don't matter'?
Regarding the story itself-- bullshit. The timing simply doesn't make sense. The Anon sounds like a high schooler ("I'll have to go to college next year"), but if that's the case they would already be going to college next year? Semesters start in the fall. It's also early enough into the school year that the school should be able to make arrangements to switch to an equivalent humanities class and do catch-up work to make up for the missing credit; it's really not all that uncommon for a student to switch classes if they're having problems. This is assuming they're from the US, of course; maybe Anon is Canadian and the system is different.
Either way it's interesting that she gets an Ask where she talk about 'pretend fascist sky-daddy' just a few days after somebody's begun to break down Tales of the Val'kyr, which is all about Lily taking out her daddy issues on pretend fascist sky-daddy.
Fake Edit: And then it wraps up so neatly by a Strong Woman taking over. This isn't really unheard of but why the fuck did the Anon feel the need to whine about it to Lily in the first place? (We're assuming this is real in any capacity, of course.) Lily shrieks about parasocial relationships and how her fans should stop sending her these kinds of Asks and then still replies and posts and encourages.
I actually don't disagree with Lily on this. Which isn't the same as agreeing with her.
I had a huge tangent here but suffice to say that the reason for casting actors over voice actors is more complicated than 'exploiting known names to get butts in seats' and more problematic than 'actors are actors and should be hired on merit', Hollywood and LA culture overall is extremely incestuous and insular even among those poor overlooked voice actors (who still have enough money to buy and sell everybody in this thread), and that even with that taken into account there different styles of voice acting that simply don't translate from a video game (where the only dialogue is in the form of cartoony exclamations) to a full-length movie script.
It's a legitimately complex issue that can't just be boiled down to "Hire the original VAs you cowards!" If Lily were to be pressed on this I'm pretty sure she wouldn't actually be able to put together any kind of discussion, nuanced or otherwise. Come to think, has she ever even expressed anything about the art of voice acting, or is it on the same level as 'visuals in a cartoon don't matter'?
- Joined
- May 27, 2020
I usually do this sentence last, which means that I'm too burned out to come up with something witty this time.
First
Previous
Next
First
Previous
Next
Chapter 11 is a character chapter, taking place entirely with Aliana and Rey on their way to meet Luke.
We open with Aliana training Rey in the use of a saberstaff. Famously wielded by Darth Maul, the saberstaff has remained a popular aspect of the Star Wars universe, and the pseudo-logical choice for Rey in the minds of people that don't understand how fundamentally different a lightsaber is from a conventional melee weapon.
I'll also make note that this was set up at the end of the previous chapter, but I neglected to mention such for the sake of pacing. In fact, there are a couple of things I've done that with over the last couple chapters that are coming into relevance now. Specifically, these are that Rey utilized the Dark Side in her duel with Ren (naturally), that Rey knows that Aliana has beef with Luke, though she has declined to pry at Aliana's request, and that Aliana has had her droid grant Rey full access to both the ship and his own databanks, as the first condition for re-earning Rey's trust was "no more secrets".
Finally, a training saber, as its name implies, is a lightsaber limited to a lower output than a regular blade, reducing the risk of injury when practicing. It is also common for real lightsabers to feature a low-power setting to facilitate training.
We also get a decent slapstick moment. Star Wars has always had a touch of humor to its drama, and for once Jerry's own sense of humor has lined up at an appropriate moment. On the downside, Jerry's prose strikes again, as 90% of what makes this moment amusing to me is my own imagination filling in the blanks of Rey's reaction.
Aliana's assertion about confidence is a curious one, which I spent the better part of a day meditating on to try and figure out if it's bullshit or not. Mastery of the lightsaber is a mix of both traditional skill and Force utilization, and I suppose that in the emotionally heated context of a lightsaber duel, where the Dark Side flows easily, it could pick up the slack, as it were, for a lack of training, assisting in focusing intent into action and preventing self-amputation. Run that through the Sith ideological lens, and you get something close to Aliana's statement. This ties into her second statement, which is not so much a uniquely Sith ability as it is the application of the above. As I said, the Force assists in focusing intent into action, such as the precision placement of the lightsaber blade required to deflect a blaster bolt, and when that function is combined with the overwhelming desire to murder the shit out of someone, you get a result that makes the word "aggressive" seem pedestrian.
Anyway, let's talk about love.
Dammit, Jerry, please stop using cultural references.
Oh, boy, how do I discuss this in less than a thousand words? It doesn't simply deserve an editorial, it deserves a comprehensive breakdown of the very roots of the Star Wars universe, complete with adventures in ancient Greek vocabulary, the nature of objective vs subjective morality, and a refutation of the Hegelian interpretation of the setting popularized by Chris Avellone via Kreia. To absolutely hyper-focus this as hard as I can, Jerry has touched upon a spot where the great failing of the old Jedi Order and the limitations of the English language itself meet to mask his own misunderstanding of the universe.
"Love" is a nebulous word. Like "antihero", it compresses so many distinct concepts into a single word that it becomes muddled, difficult to see the specific inflection when discussed in abstract. The love between Luke and Han is not the same love as between Han and Leia, nor from Luke towards Vader, yet they are all described with the same word. Even worse is trying to define love as noun or as verb, as emotion or as action. Since Jerry decided to bring up God, I'll go ahead and quote Him.
Here, we see love described as action, as sacrifice. To simplify to its root, the act of making someone else more important than yourself. This is what Luke Skywalker did at the moment he became a Jedi, when he threw down his weapon and willingly went to his death for the sake of a father he never knew but refused to give up on. Contrast this to Anakin's fall. Anakin Skywalker's betrayal was not an act of love as a verb, but in service of love as a noun. He did not act for Padme's sake, but for the sake of his own emotional dependence on Padme. It was an act of selfish love, and that is the difference between the Light and the Dark.
Shit, there's no elegant way to transition out of that. Have a shitpost to reset the mood.
Everybody good? Okay, back to it.
Putting aside that the Dark Side is inherently corruptive, Aliana has just touched upon the true failing of the Jedi Order: the fear of fear itself. Stories similar to Anakin's were not unheard of across the history of the Jedi, and so the Order placed its long-standing ban on romantic associations. Of course, this in turn played a key role in Anakin's downfall, as he found himself deprived of the support he needed to endure his turmoil. Ironic, that Anakin's fall would be the result of not one but two self-fulfilling prophecies.
This is true of itself, though I would argue that by the nature of the Dark Side, any practitioner or group thereof will eventually coalesce into little more than Sith by any other name. However, Jerry's core philosophical approach to TSR is that this isn't the case, so I suppose we'll tackle this as it goes.
Firstly, it's "the Force shall free me". Secondly, yes it is absolutely incriminating, but this is already getting out of hand and I'm trying very, very hard to not turn this chapter into a philosophy thesis. Fortunately, we've finally reached the end of this conversation, and we divert to Zen and the art of starship maintenance.
I don't remember seeing any indication that Rey has ADD. Maybe it's a fetish?
Rey has another Force Skype moment, and note the change in the prose. There's suddenly a lot more detail to it, and I find it curious that this would happen during a description of anger. I'll be keeping an eye out for this in the future and see if I start noticing a trend in the content of Jerry's more prosaic side.
The scene ends with them making dinner, and I just want to note the use of vegetable-based meat substitute in the soup, because I fucking hate that shit.
Cut to dinner conversation, and Jerry gives a decent enough breakdown of Disney versus EU lore on lightsabers. From the looks of it, Jerry shares my disdain for the Disney lore, and has elected to attempt to blend the two. In EU lore, the term "kyber" is a dual-purpose word, meaning both a specific type of crystal, as well as a catch-all for any crystal that could be used in a lightsaber, similar to how "bee" is also used colloquially to mean wasps and other flying stinging insects. What Jerry has done with this is apply the Disney retcon to "proper" kyber while leaving the other types of crystal untouched, preserving the word of it while circumventing the intent. This begs the question of why he included the Disney canon at all in this regard, which I can only ascribe to either a sense of obligation, or that Rey's discovery of Luke's saber relied on it and he couldn't come up with an alternative.
Question: how does Aliana know this? I'll roll with the pockets of Sith explanation, but this is information that Aliana should not have. Darth Bane's betrayal was never known: it would require a survivor who was there to determine that. The Rule of Two was never public knowledge, Bane's Sith operated in complete secrecy for a thousand years, and the only people in the movie era who could have told the story died on Naboo, above Coruscant, and on the second Death Star, all while Aliana's family was itself in hiding. The only person who could have found this out after the fact is Luke Skywalker during his archeological work in the post-Endor era, but the only indication that he either figured this out or spread said knowledge is the one-liner about "secrets only the Sith knew" from Rise of Skywalker, and that movie is such an utter fucking disaster that every day Disney goes without excising it from their own canon is a fucking crime against humanity.
Fuck it, let's get into Aliana's family.
I had my meltdown over this months ago, it's somewhere along the thread between chapters 2 and 4. Lana Beniko is a romanceable NPC from The Old Republic MMO, and the other is what else but Jerry's own character. I don't even know what to say. I can't muster up the anger to do another caps lock rant, nor the calm to do a rational explanation of everything wrong with this. The only analogy for how I feel about this is that it is a psychological equivalent to the low-level, very primal sense of revulsion people sometimes experience when looking at an amputee; that sense that this is not what a person is supposed to look like, that there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.
Ugh, let's get this over with. Aliana holds a memorial observance for her mother on the anniversary of her death, which happens to be the day on question. Rey gets the story from the droid.
Gee, I cannot imagine who this could possibly be.
Also:
I can't even bring myself to be surprised at the shit Jerry writes anymore.
We open with Aliana training Rey in the use of a saberstaff. Famously wielded by Darth Maul, the saberstaff has remained a popular aspect of the Star Wars universe, and the pseudo-logical choice for Rey in the minds of people that don't understand how fundamentally different a lightsaber is from a conventional melee weapon.
I'll also make note that this was set up at the end of the previous chapter, but I neglected to mention such for the sake of pacing. In fact, there are a couple of things I've done that with over the last couple chapters that are coming into relevance now. Specifically, these are that Rey utilized the Dark Side in her duel with Ren (naturally), that Rey knows that Aliana has beef with Luke, though she has declined to pry at Aliana's request, and that Aliana has had her droid grant Rey full access to both the ship and his own databanks, as the first condition for re-earning Rey's trust was "no more secrets".
Finally, a training saber, as its name implies, is a lightsaber limited to a lower output than a regular blade, reducing the risk of injury when practicing. It is also common for real lightsabers to feature a low-power setting to facilitate training.
We also get a decent slapstick moment. Star Wars has always had a touch of humor to its drama, and for once Jerry's own sense of humor has lined up at an appropriate moment. On the downside, Jerry's prose strikes again, as 90% of what makes this moment amusing to me is my own imagination filling in the blanks of Rey's reaction.
Aliana's assertion about confidence is a curious one, which I spent the better part of a day meditating on to try and figure out if it's bullshit or not. Mastery of the lightsaber is a mix of both traditional skill and Force utilization, and I suppose that in the emotionally heated context of a lightsaber duel, where the Dark Side flows easily, it could pick up the slack, as it were, for a lack of training, assisting in focusing intent into action and preventing self-amputation. Run that through the Sith ideological lens, and you get something close to Aliana's statement. This ties into her second statement, which is not so much a uniquely Sith ability as it is the application of the above. As I said, the Force assists in focusing intent into action, such as the precision placement of the lightsaber blade required to deflect a blaster bolt, and when that function is combined with the overwhelming desire to murder the shit out of someone, you get a result that makes the word "aggressive" seem pedestrian.
Anyway, let's talk about love.
Dammit, Jerry, please stop using cultural references.
Oh, boy, how do I discuss this in less than a thousand words? It doesn't simply deserve an editorial, it deserves a comprehensive breakdown of the very roots of the Star Wars universe, complete with adventures in ancient Greek vocabulary, the nature of objective vs subjective morality, and a refutation of the Hegelian interpretation of the setting popularized by Chris Avellone via Kreia. To absolutely hyper-focus this as hard as I can, Jerry has touched upon a spot where the great failing of the old Jedi Order and the limitations of the English language itself meet to mask his own misunderstanding of the universe.
"Love" is a nebulous word. Like "antihero", it compresses so many distinct concepts into a single word that it becomes muddled, difficult to see the specific inflection when discussed in abstract. The love between Luke and Han is not the same love as between Han and Leia, nor from Luke towards Vader, yet they are all described with the same word. Even worse is trying to define love as noun or as verb, as emotion or as action. Since Jerry decided to bring up God, I'll go ahead and quote Him.
Jesus of Nazareth whom some call the Christ said:
Here, we see love described as action, as sacrifice. To simplify to its root, the act of making someone else more important than yourself. This is what Luke Skywalker did at the moment he became a Jedi, when he threw down his weapon and willingly went to his death for the sake of a father he never knew but refused to give up on. Contrast this to Anakin's fall. Anakin Skywalker's betrayal was not an act of love as a verb, but in service of love as a noun. He did not act for Padme's sake, but for the sake of his own emotional dependence on Padme. It was an act of selfish love, and that is the difference between the Light and the Dark.
Shit, there's no elegant way to transition out of that. Have a shitpost to reset the mood.
Everybody good? Okay, back to it.
Putting aside that the Dark Side is inherently corruptive, Aliana has just touched upon the true failing of the Jedi Order: the fear of fear itself. Stories similar to Anakin's were not unheard of across the history of the Jedi, and so the Order placed its long-standing ban on romantic associations. Of course, this in turn played a key role in Anakin's downfall, as he found himself deprived of the support he needed to endure his turmoil. Ironic, that Anakin's fall would be the result of not one but two self-fulfilling prophecies.
This is true of itself, though I would argue that by the nature of the Dark Side, any practitioner or group thereof will eventually coalesce into little more than Sith by any other name. However, Jerry's core philosophical approach to TSR is that this isn't the case, so I suppose we'll tackle this as it goes.
Firstly, it's "the Force shall free me". Secondly, yes it is absolutely incriminating, but this is already getting out of hand and I'm trying very, very hard to not turn this chapter into a philosophy thesis. Fortunately, we've finally reached the end of this conversation, and we divert to Zen and the art of starship maintenance.
I don't remember seeing any indication that Rey has ADD. Maybe it's a fetish?
Rey has another Force Skype moment, and note the change in the prose. There's suddenly a lot more detail to it, and I find it curious that this would happen during a description of anger. I'll be keeping an eye out for this in the future and see if I start noticing a trend in the content of Jerry's more prosaic side.
The scene ends with them making dinner, and I just want to note the use of vegetable-based meat substitute in the soup, because I fucking hate that shit.
Cut to dinner conversation, and Jerry gives a decent enough breakdown of Disney versus EU lore on lightsabers. From the looks of it, Jerry shares my disdain for the Disney lore, and has elected to attempt to blend the two. In EU lore, the term "kyber" is a dual-purpose word, meaning both a specific type of crystal, as well as a catch-all for any crystal that could be used in a lightsaber, similar to how "bee" is also used colloquially to mean wasps and other flying stinging insects. What Jerry has done with this is apply the Disney retcon to "proper" kyber while leaving the other types of crystal untouched, preserving the word of it while circumventing the intent. This begs the question of why he included the Disney canon at all in this regard, which I can only ascribe to either a sense of obligation, or that Rey's discovery of Luke's saber relied on it and he couldn't come up with an alternative.
Question: how does Aliana know this? I'll roll with the pockets of Sith explanation, but this is information that Aliana should not have. Darth Bane's betrayal was never known: it would require a survivor who was there to determine that. The Rule of Two was never public knowledge, Bane's Sith operated in complete secrecy for a thousand years, and the only people in the movie era who could have told the story died on Naboo, above Coruscant, and on the second Death Star, all while Aliana's family was itself in hiding. The only person who could have found this out after the fact is Luke Skywalker during his archeological work in the post-Endor era, but the only indication that he either figured this out or spread said knowledge is the one-liner about "secrets only the Sith knew" from Rise of Skywalker, and that movie is such an utter fucking disaster that every day Disney goes without excising it from their own canon is a fucking crime against humanity.
Fuck it, let's get into Aliana's family.
I had my meltdown over this months ago, it's somewhere along the thread between chapters 2 and 4. Lana Beniko is a romanceable NPC from The Old Republic MMO, and the other is what else but Jerry's own character. I don't even know what to say. I can't muster up the anger to do another caps lock rant, nor the calm to do a rational explanation of everything wrong with this. The only analogy for how I feel about this is that it is a psychological equivalent to the low-level, very primal sense of revulsion people sometimes experience when looking at an amputee; that sense that this is not what a person is supposed to look like, that there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.
Ugh, let's get this over with. Aliana holds a memorial observance for her mother on the anniversary of her death, which happens to be the day on question. Rey gets the story from the droid.
Gee, I cannot imagine who this could possibly be.
Also:
I can't even bring myself to be surprised at the shit Jerry writes anymore.
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jan 19, 2020
Reading this chapter is beyond aggravating because, in context, it isn't 'absolutely incriminating'-- if this were read as Aliana indoctrinating Rey this would be excellent. As an audience you can see the manipulation and careful twisting of information, but Rey -- isolated on a desert planet all her life, never having interacted with people in this way, being told that Aliana loves her -- wouldn't have any way of knowing that. She might have heard rumor about the Jedi and the Sith, but now meeting a Sith, whose love for her could potentially and literally move planets-- how can they possibly be evil? What lies has she been told?
And so Aliana digs in her claws. This whole conversation is indoctrination and if that were actually Lily's intent this would be great.
But of course this isn't manipulative, this is just... what it is. What Aliana's saying is just a flat belief that Lily holds, and that the universe will conform to.
(Also interesting from that Aliana goes on to say 'the Force shall set me free' when we know that she hates the Force and its manipulations.)
Also love how Lily can't string together a sentence sometimes:
A lot of her sentences are objectively poorly structured, but this one has a tense change and an improper antecedent that implies that Rey is phasing through time to tell herself about holocrons.Lily said:
- Joined
- May 24, 2021
Man, I'm struggling with the fact TSR has 300k words and still has six more chapters to go (with an average of 7.3k words per chapter we can expect the finished story to be around the 344k word count). That's four to five novels worth of writing dumped into this turd. You can expect the average person to pump out 2-2.5k words per hour, and considering how much TSR reads like an early rough draft, Lily probably doesn't spend any more time editing.
All in all, Lily has sunk around 172 hours -- an entire week of her life -- into what? A middle-school level fanfiction that no one would read beyond checking the first few chapters out of curiosity?
All in all, Lily has sunk around 172 hours -- an entire week of her life -- into what? A middle-school level fanfiction that no one would read beyond checking the first few chapters out of curiosity?