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Or maybe I know what poor people are actually like, instead of people who mismanage their funds and/or are depressed so that they numb their pain with everything you have described.

Anyway, wishing for the system to burn just because you're bored just reeks of middle-class accelerationism.

Literally every single poor person I know is poor because they mismanage their funds. During the pandemic, people were going house-to-house in a nearby estate asking for 1,500 cash total to be put into a fund for a local poor woman. Not so she could buy food or anything essential, but so she could buy her four year old son a latest-model iPhone. Telling them 'no, that isn't essential, I'm not prepared to give money for that kind of thing' resulted in lots of huffy moral grandstanding, of course.

I have not met one poor person who couldn't easily break out of their debt cycle and terrible living situation by making 2-3 hard choices and sticking with them.

And I'm not wishing for the system to burn. The system will burn. Anyone who doesn't see that is willfully blind. Your only choice is to either prepare for it or stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that it isn't, even as it collapses around you.
 
Literally every single poor person I know is poor because they mismanage their funds.
Okay, bootstrapper.

And I'm not wishing for the system to burn. The system will burn. Anyone who doesn't see that is willfully blind. Your only choice is to either prepare for it or stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that it isn't, even as it collapses around you.
Prepare for the end of the world? If the system will burn, then the people like that woman will join roving bands that will rob people like you. Preppers should be the last people on the planet to wish for Armageddon to come because they're the first to get a bullet when hungry poors get the scent of your prepping stash.
 
"A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that the US-funded so-called "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, China - and that the US nonprofit which conducted it, EcoHealth Alliance - led by the controversial Peter Daszak, "failed to report" that they had created a chimeric bat coronavirus which could infect humans......While Tabak's letter goes to great lengths to insist that EcoHealth's work couldn't have produced SARS-CoV-2, it absolutely vindicates Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who Fauci repeatedly called a liar in July for accusing him of funding GoF research in Wuhan, China."

 
Literally every single poor person I know is poor because they mismanage their funds. During the pandemic, people were going house-to-house in a nearby estate asking for 1,500 cash total to be put into a fund for a local poor woman. Not so she could buy food or anything essential, but so she could buy her four year old son a latest-model iPhone. Telling them 'no, that isn't essential, I'm not prepared to give money for that kind of thing' resulted in lots of huffy moral grandstanding, of course.

I have not met one poor person who couldn't easily break out of their debt cycle and terrible living situation by making 2-3 hard choices and sticking with them.

And I'm not wishing for the system to burn. The system will burn. Anyone who doesn't see that is willfully blind. Your only choice is to either prepare for it or stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that it isn't, even as it collapses around you.
i've been waiting for the world to truly burn since halfway through march 2020 when it was clear everything was getting irrevocably fucked
 
Well there you have it. They've now admitted that the naive double jabbed do not have robust n-antibody response when challenged by the virus. OAS has been confirmed.

The vaccines are destroying innate immunity to Covid.

Should be an interesting winter in the UK.
Question- what do you think of this?

But, as Israel has now shown with conclusive data antibody titers from vaccination wane at 40% a month while those from infection decrease at a much slower rate and in fact broaden in terms of recognition to the virus over time.

Why?

The broadening is indicative of B-cell recall, which is utterly crucial for lasting immunity. Antibodies do not circulate forever in the blood and other tissues; they eventually degrade and are replaced -- if your body's immune system has been trained. Your B-cells are largely responsible for this, along with T-cells and a whole cadre of other components of the immune system. This is why monoclonal antibody infusions protect you right now, when infected, but do not provide lasting immunity on their own. The infection itself does, but not the infusion. If you give the infusion to a non-infected person you wasted it; they have protection for a short period of time but it goes away.

The evidence from these now-published decay rates is that B-cell training does not happen with any of these vaccines. This is important and, it would appear, both Pfizer and Moderna (along with J&J) either knew or should have known this. In fact they all may have deliberately rigged their studies to be submitted for EUAs knowing the failure to produce a durable immune response was not going to be discovered due to time considerations. This cannot be proved without a bevvy of subpoenas of course but it is a reasonable and rational explanation for setting the dose and produced titer where they all did.
So why does the titer decay so much slower if you get infected? Simple: It doesn't actually go away; natural infection trains your B-cells which is a durable response and thus capable of immediately restoring protection if you get challenged with the virus again, which you will. This is why the Cleveland Clinic, following their employees who got infected, found zero re-infections over more than a year's time among more than 1,000 infected and recovered individuals. It is also why a recent study found that natural infection and recovery was 13x as protective as the jabs.

This is how every other virus works and with natural infection by this virus most of the titer is to the "N" protein which cannot mutate materially and still be a virus capable of infecting and replicating in humans. The vaccines do not include any part of the "N" protein and thus cannot produce a response to it. In other words all of the "escape" and even "enhancement" concerns with the vaccines don't happen if you get naturally infected and beat the bug.
The vaccines, it appears, fail to produce this B-cell response; that is a very reasonable explanation for why their antibody titers decay so fast. The manufacturers may have known this, which if true explains why they set the dosing where they did. Had they set dosing to produce a titer equivalent to natural infection within three months protection, by the Israel data, would have all but disappeared and the EUA-generating trials would have failed as there would have been no statistical difference in infection rates between those who got the actual shot and placebo by the end of the trial.

The bad part of this decay is being seen now with Mental Midget Fauci and others arguing over the "need" to get a third, fourth and so on jab and on what interval that will be required. Since we do not know if the risk of adverse events from those jabs compound on an exponential basis it is flat-out insane to suggest such a path forward even absent the antibody to circulating strain mismatch which we also know is a serious concern and raises the risk of both OAS and vaccine-driven enhancement of disease along with simple evasion of the antibody protection.

But the fact that B-cell recall appears to not be generated by the jab also means you can exit the jab highway and, while you will take a materially-higher risk of adverse outcome from infection than an unvaccinated person for a period of time, likely six to twelve months, it is not a lifetime risk since that mismatched B-cell training which would have screwed you on a durable basis did not, by the data thus far, happen.

Conversely, a thread on why it may actually be very bad to vaccinate those who already have natural immunity:

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Prepare for the end of the world? If the system will burn, then the people like that woman will join roving bands that will rob people like you. Preppers should be the last people on the planet to wish for Armageddon to come because they're the first to get a bullet when hungry poors get the scent of your prepping stash.

So 'sit back, do nothing, consoom, pray it never happens to you'.

Coward.
 
So 'sit back, do nothing, consoom, pray it never happens to you'.

Coward.
I see you have a reading comprehension problem. You also have a particular fixation on consumers. Do you want to participate but don't want to be like those lame dumbasses who cry over Star Wars? Understandable. Well, you don't have to be like them.
 
Meanwhile, the lolcows of the Daily Stormer mentioned then the death of Tawny Kitaen is released six months later and some think it could be due to the vax.
Back in May, when we were first realizing that people were dying from the vaccine and the media was covering it up, I suggested that Tawny Kitaen, an 80s sex symbol who died “randomly” at age 59, could have died from the vax.

Although it was never confirmed she took the vax, there were tweets where she was excited about taking it.

Now, her cause of death has been revealed.

Deadline:

Actress Tawny Kitaen died on May 7 from dilated cardiomyopathy. The manner of death was ruled natural today by the Orange County Sheriff’s Dept. in California.
This definitely makes it much more likely that she died from the vaccine than it was when they didn’t say the cause of death, and just said “died mysteriously.”

As we well know now, the vax causes heart disease, which is often fatal. It is also causing people to develop chronic heart problems.

Just to be clear – even in this totally censored landscape, there is actually documentation about people developing cardiomyopathy as a result of the vax. You hear a lot about the myocarditis – but they’re similar conditions, and it’s both. Here’s one study.

Recently, a 4- and 5-year-old child were given the Covid vax accidentally. They are both now being treated for heart disease.

The media is saying that Tawny also had benzos in her system. Here’s a quick quiz question: how many 59-year-old women do not have benzos in their system at any given time? I would guess well over 50% of American women aged 59 take benzos, and these women are not dying randomly from heart disease – or at least they weren’t before this vax was deployed.
 
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Beats me and some folks didn't give a rat about it.

Meanwhile there's this article about the NIH who might be already posted but it might be worth to repost.

A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that the US-funded so-called "gain-of-function" research in Wuhan, China - and that the US nonprofit which conducted it, EcoHealth Alliance - led by the controversial Peter Daszak, "failed to report" that they had created a chimeric bat coronavirus which could infect humans.

In a letter addressed to Rep. James Comer (R-KY), NIH Principal Deputy Director Lawrence A. Tabak cites a "limited experiment" to determine whether "spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model." According to the letter, humanized mice infected with the modified bat virus "became sicker" than those exposed to an unmodified version of the same bat coronavirus.

Daszak failed to report this finding, and has been given five days to submit "any and all unpublished data from the experiments and world conducted" under the NIH grant.

Rutgers University Board of Governors Chemistry Professor Richard H. Ebright sums it up. :

While Tabak's letter goes to great lengths to insist that EcoHealth's work couldn't have produced SARS-CoV-2, it absolutely vindicates Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who Fauci repeatedly called a liar in July for accusing him of funding GoF research in Wuhan, China.
 

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It's been discussed extensively in this thread.

T-cell immunity is all that matters when it comes to population herd immunity from endemic respiratory viruses. T-cell immunity, or innate immunity governs B-cell recall. B-cells are the immune systems factories, they produce the neutralising antibodies that protect you from all of nature's pathogens. When you recover from a viral infection, or when you're vaccinated with vaccines that actually work, you will typically see a gradual depletion of circulating antibodies over the course of many months and years. Eventually antibody levels will drop below serconversion levels, i.e. there are not enough circulating antibodies to reliably protect you when challenged by a virus. But it doesn't matter, the immune system has a miraculous ability to 'remember' past exposure and when challenged by the same virus, even with a depleted antibody store, your B-cells will immediately begin to produce the neutralising antibodies which will either prevent infection altogether or vastly reduce the severity of any disease in the instances where it cannot.

What we're seeing with the vaccines is the immune system producing vast amounts of antibodies, the titres are insanely high immediately after dosing, to deal with the initial hit of spike. But then something unexpected happens, the antibody levels crash at a precipitous compounding rate, instead of the gradual decline we see in the recovered. Why? It would appear that the immune system does not recognise the spike as a pathogen rather as a toxin and so does not see the need to continue to produce antibodies. There is a condition in susceptible individuals who are administered Heparin, an anti-coagulant, where the immune system is triggered in a similar way but resolves over a couple of months with no long term immune memory of the event. That's likely the best case scenario for the not vaccines, a short term hit that has some protective effect and provides individual benefit against severe disease but back to square one after a few weeks or months. Roll your sleeve up for the next booster. How likely is this? Unknown. The crashing titres strongly suggest that little to no B-cell recall is present, but we can't be sure and it may vary between individuals.

OAS, original antigenic sin, is when the innate immune system relies on a previous disease exposure or vaccine when dealing with a mutated virus and is unable to produce the needed neutralising antibodies to fight the infection. It's relatively rare, the immune system relies on multiple types of neutralising antibodies when dealing with invading pathogens, but it does happen particularly when it's relying on a very narrowly based recall. The vaccines stimulate only 1 protein chain found in Covid, the data from the UK now confirms that when infected the double jabbed, well at least those never previously exposed to the virus, do not produce the other type of antibodies we would expect, in particular the n-antibodies that recognise the nucleocapsid component. Why does this matter if there are circulating S-protein antibodies from the vaccines? Well for a number of reasons. What happens when the vaccine derived antibodies drop below seroconversion levels? If there is B-cell recall from the vaccines what happens when Covid mutates past the spike antibodies? It's a head I lose tails I'm fucked scenario and we now know it's real.

OAS is not ADE, which is a whole different ballgame and let's all pray that isn't a thing. But OAS by itself will result in significantly higher mortality in the vaccinated. Either they'll need to have a lifetime of boosters to keep their antibody titres above seroconversion levels or hope that big pharma are able to roll out vaccine updates to deal with new variants.
 
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UK Covid surveillance report and the higher incidence of Covid infection among the double jabbed continues to accelerate

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All vaccinated age groups over 30 are now showing higher incidence of Covid infection. A 2 to 3 times higher incidence per 100,000 population

Now the good part

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Prevalence of N-antibodies continue to flat-line despite rampant Covid infection. A slight uptick in the relatively non vaxxed younger aged groups only.

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Older age groups have a) higher overall vaccination rates b) overall lower n-antibody titres c) show no growth in n-antibody titres. Remember vaccinated adults are now at far higher risk of contracting Covid than the unvaccinated. This should not be happening.



Well there you have it. They've now admitted that the naive double jabbed do not have robust n-antibody response when challenged by the virus. OAS has been confirmed.

The vaccines are destroying innate immunity to Covid.

Should be an interesting winter in the UK.

OAS standing for... what? original antigenic sin, got it. It's when the immune system misfires because of a limited memory + different virus. But they fucked up and intentionally gave a limited memory to the immune system, which is causing OAS. And ADE, or whatever it's called. So... if Covid mutates and the body recognizes the S-protein, but not that it's coming form a virus, it might not react to the infection. And ADE means a shitload of mutations, none of which are naturally pressuring them to be less deadly because of the fuckup.
 
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OAS standing for... what? original antigenic sin, got it. It's when the immune system misfires because of a limited memory + different virus. But they fucked up and intentionally gave a limited memory to the immune system, which is causing OAS. And ADE, or whatever it's called. So... if Covid mutates and the body recognizes the S-protein, but not that it's coming form a virus, it might not react to the infection. And ADE means a shitload of mutations, none of which are naturally pressuring them to be less deadly because of the fuckup.
Sort of? OAS generally refers to the idea that the body will preferentially produce antibodies it already has "in memory" in response to a repeated or similar antigen, instead of mounting an all new adaptive response. The problem arises when that antibody is ineffective, e g. because it just sucks or there was some sort of mutagenic shift in the pathogen that renders that antibody response ineffective. Sometimes so ineffective that it enhances the pathogenicity of whatever it is responding to (ADE). For example, the spike protein the mRNA vaccines may (likely is) be so varied in future strains that priming our immune systems to respond preferentially with the antibodies induced by the vaccine might fuck us over because they are ineffective.

This is really all focusing on the humoral response as well. Cytolytic T-cells and other types aren't going around looking for individual viral particles like antibodies might be, they want to find infected cells and do their thing (depending on whatever function their type does). Cells naturally infected by SARS-COV-2 do not display the spike protein like the vaccine causes them to. So, it stands to reason that the immune system recognizing the spike antigen might mount a cellular response that is looking for something that doesn't fucking exist (except when vaccinated the mRNA vaccines). And this is all going on internally. I haven't seen any studies showing a robust IgA neutralizing antibody response in the mucosa, which is where an effective transmission-stopping adaptive immune response would occur.
 
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OAS standing for... what? original antigenic sin, got it. It's when the immune system misfires because of a limited memory + different virus. But they fucked up and intentionally gave a limited memory to the immune system, which is causing OAS. And ADE, or whatever it's called. So... if Covid mutates and the body recognizes the S-protein, but not that it's coming form a virus, it might not react to the infection. And ADE means a shitload of mutations, none of which are naturally pressuring them to be less deadly because of the fuckup.
I think in this case one better hope that the vaccine fails to train the B-cells on any sort of memorization, and that the 'response' is limited to just the temporary production of antibodies.

I have heard that ADE may be less of a concern though, as in the case of the cat study, the disease the cats were susceptible to was extremely deadly. In this case, the Delta strain's lethality is very low, so much so that even a 10% rise in lethality from ADE wouldn't be the end of the world, and could be dealt with through antivirals. Of course, one could avoid this mess by simply not taking the jab in the first place...
 
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Sort of? OAS generally refers to the idea that the body will preferentially produce antibodies it already has "in memory" in response to a repeated or similar antigen, instead of mounting an all new adaptive response. The problem arises when that antibody is ineffective, e g. because it just sucks or there was some sort of mutagenic shift in the pathogen that renders that antibody response ineffective. Sometimes so ineffective that it enhances the pathogenicity of whatever it is responding to (ADE).
Yes the problem is twofold, the narrowness of the immunity that the vaccines provide and the reliance on this immunity when challenged by the virus. The data from the UK is remarkable as they outright admit that the vaccinated with no previous Covid exposure are not producing nucleocapsid antibodies. In other words their immune systems are abnormally reacting to the virus. It appears that the vaccinated are not 'seeing' Covid as a viral pathogen but rather as a spike exposure. They may be displaying a similar response to a Covid infection as they would to being vaccinated, a short term elevation of s-protein antibodies that quickly dissipates with no long term innate immunity. This BTW is the best case scenario, constantly being re-infected by Covid-19 and fingers crossed that the viral strain they catch hasn't mutated past the vaccine and there is a high enough circulating titre to prevent replication. If either condition isn't met they may suffer severe illness. We don;t know whether or not this effect will dissipate once the spike antibodies dissipate or if it's permanent. If it's permanent then unfortunately a life time of constant vaccination will be required, likely every few months depending on age and morbidity. We'll know in the coming months, if those who refuse the boosters don't suffer increased mortality then there's still time to get off the vaccine train. What is obvious is that governments are well aware of the potential risk hence the determination to force their populations to comply with a never ending re-vaccination program and to jab literally everyone to eliminate the control group of the unvaxxed. The cognizant dissonance I'm experiencing from reading in the MSM that there are massive Covid outbreaks in fully vaccinated populations and on the other hand that the vaccines are incredibly effective at preventing transmission and we all need to be jabbed.
 

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It's been discussed extensively in this thread.

T-cell immunity is all that matters when it comes to population herd immunity from endemic respiratory viruses. T-cell immunity, or innate immunity governs B-cell recall. B-cells are the immune systems factories, they produce the neutralising antibodies that protect you from all of nature's pathogens. When you recover from a viral infection, or when you're vaccinated with vaccines that actually work, you will typically see a gradual depletion of circulating antibodies over the course of many months and years. Eventually antibody levels will drop below serconversion levels, i.e. there are not enough circulating antibodies to reliably protect you when challenged by a virus. But it doesn't matter, the immune system has a miraculous ability to 'remember' past exposure and when challenged by the same virus, even with a depleted antibody store, your B-cells will immediately begin to produce the neutralising antibodies which will either prevent infection altogether or vastly reduce the severity of any disease in the instances where it cannot.

What we're seeing with the vaccines is the immune system producing vast amounts of antibodies, the titres are insanely high immediately after dosing, to deal with the initial hit of spike. But then something unexpected happens, the antibody levels crash at a precipitous compounding rate, instead of the gradual decline we see in the recovered. Why? It would appear that the immune system does not recognise the spike as a pathogen rather as a toxin and so does not see the need to continue to produce antibodies. There is a condition in susceptible individuals who are administered Heparin, an anti-coagulant, where the immune system is triggered in a similar way but resolves over a couple of months with no long term immune memory of the event. That's likely the best case scenario for the not vaccines, a short term hit that has some protective effect and provides individual benefit against severe disease but back to square one after a few weeks or months. Roll your sleeve up for the next booster. How likely is this? Unknown. The crashing titres strongly suggest that little to no B-cell recall is present, but we can't be sure and it may vary between individuals.

OAS, original antigenic sin, is when the innate immune system relies on a previous disease exposure or vaccine when dealing with a mutated virus and is unable to produce the needed neutralising antibodies to fight the infection. It's relatively rare, the immune system relies on multiple types of neutralising antibodies when dealing with invading pathogens, but it does happen particularly when it's relying on a very narrowly based recall. The vaccines stimulate only 1 protein chain found in Covid, the data from the UK now confirms that when infected the double jabbed, well at least those never previously exposed to the virus, do not produce the other type of antibodies we would expect, in particular the n-antibodies that recognise the nucleocapsid component. Why does this matter if there are circulating S-protein antibodies from the vaccines? Well for a number of reasons. What happens when the vaccine derived antibodies drop below seroconversion levels? If there is B-cell recall from the vaccines what happens when Covid mutates past the spike antibodies? It's a head I lose tails I'm fucked scenario and we now know it's real.

OAS is not ADE, which is a whole different ballgame and let's all pray that isn't a thing. But OAS by itself will result in significantly higher mortality in the vaccinated. Either they'll need to have a lifetime of boosters to keep their antibody titres above seroconversion levels or hope that big pharma are able to roll out vaccine updates to deal with new variants.
So if you already have natural resistance via previous exposure how will a single-shot like J&J fuck with your T-cells & N-antibodies?
 
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