Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

i think she's feeling better:
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grifter pushing HCQ and just making word salads
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another doctor making up shit on Twitter:
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For some nuts up north:
MPP Randy Hillier is in hot water for claiming some recent deaths were related to taking the Covid vaccines.
Earlier this week, under the headline “vaccine related injury and death” Hillier posted a montage, including the photos, names and additional information of 11 individuals who’ve recent passed away on his own verified social media pages.
Turns out that at least three families of those listed came out saying that it was entirely false and their requests to have said family members removed from the listing have been met with comment deletions plus being blocked by Hillier.
Sounds like a real gem of an MPP:
Hillier was previously kicked out of Ontario’s Conservative caucus, after the party claimed he mocked a group of parents of children with autism at Queen’s Park. He’s also spoken out against vaccine mandates and public health measures for months.
In his post where he claims each person in the photos are the victims of “vaccine related injury and death” Hillier proclaims “these stories must be spread far and wide to prevent more like them.”
In a signed statement backing up his post, Hillier in part writes, “it is my responsibility to bring to people’s attention publicly available data that strongly suggests these pharmaceuticals are causing irreparable injury, and even death, in children and adults across Ontario.”
There are dozens of people commenting on Hillier’s posts thanking him for speaking the “truth.” But Preddie says “these people are getting false information, and making (potentially) life-changing decisions based on that false information and its very, very frustrating. Someone in elected office should be held to a higher standard and be held responsible for putting out this type of misinformation.”
Families who have recently lost loved ones say they’re being further traumatized by Ontario MPP Randy Hillier, who is using their deaths to falsely claim multiple people died from the COVID-19 vaccine.

Earlier this week, under the headline “vaccine related injury and death” Hillier posted a montage, including the photos, names and additional information of 11 individuals who’ve recent passed away on his own verified social media pages.

CityNews has learned that the families and friends of at least three of the deceased have spoken up on social media and elsewhere, asking Hillier to remove their loved ones photos because they didn’t die from the vaccine. Many of those who’ve spoken have had their comments and requests removed from Hillier’s social media pages, and have then been blocked from posting further comments on the controversial politician’s Instagram, Twitter and Facebook pages.

Farisa Navab, 20, is among those whose photo has been posted by the provincial politician. Her family is adamant that doctors have confirmed the University of Guelph student died following complications from a blood disorder known in short as TTP.
Speaking to CityNews, Navab’s 19-year-old sister, Ammarah Navab, says she’s speaking out because “my family and I want my sister to be remembered for who she was, not what Hillier wants her to be. It’s wrong to use people’s deaths to push your own agenda. It’s hurtful to families and it shouldn’t happen.”

When asked if her sisters death has ever been linked to the COVID-19 vaccine by any of Navab’s doctors, her sister Ammarah sighs and is visibly frustrated. “Not at all. In no way shape or form.”
Natalie Preddie was shocked when she saw the photo of her close friend who’d just passed away posted by Hillier. The family of the deceased gave Preddie their blessing for her to speak with CityNews, but requested that we not share the name of photo of the loving mother and wife who passed away from what an autopsy revealed was a pre-existing heart condition.

Speaking to CityNews Preddie believes her friends “have been re-victimized, people are grieving, these are recent deaths. We’re talking in the last few months and these people are not done grieving. To bring these deaths to the forefront in a false way, is despicable. It’s really, really hurting the family.”

Hillier has since taken down the photo of Preddie’s friend, but he’s kept her age, cause of death and the fact she was a young mother up on his social media post.
“He’s still using her story to put out anti-vaccine rhetoric and it’s not okay, it needs to come down,” adds Preddie.

Hillier was previously kicked out of Ontario’s Conservative caucus, after the party claimed he mocked a group of parents of children with autism at Queen’s Park. He’s also spoken out against vaccine mandates and public health measures for months.
In his post where he claims each person in the photos are the victims of “vaccine related injury and death” Hillier proclaims “these stories must be spread far and wide to prevent more like them.”

In a signed statement backing up his post, Hillier in part writes, “it is my responsibility to bring to people’s attention publicly available data that strongly suggests these pharmaceuticals are causing irreparable injury, and even death, in children and adults across Ontario.”

There are dozens of people commenting on Hillier’s posts thanking him for speaking the “truth.” But Preddie says “these people are getting false information, and making (potentially) life-changing decisions based on that false information and its very, very frustrating. Someone in elected office should be held to a higher standard and be held responsible for putting out this type of misinformation.”

Like many others, Ammarah Navab has reached out to Hillier about his false claim that her sister died due to the COVID-19 vaccine. She says Hillier didn’t respond. Instead her message was erased and she was blocked her from making anymore comments. When asked what she would like to say to Hillier if given the chance, the 19-year-old takes a long pause, before delivering this message: “How do you go to sleep at night and how do you call yourself a human when you can’t even show any compassion? … You have to be the lowest person to post these photos and make these claims.”
CityNews reached out to Hillier requesting an interview. He did not respond to our request.
 
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another doctor making up shit on Twitter:
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He's not even a medical doctor. He's (supposedly) got a doctorate in informatics

Of course, he doesn't go to the media with this big whistleblowing news so they can confirm it, but instead he just says he can't reveal any info, including just the hospital name. He also somehow has access to inside of this random hospital despite not working for them
 
What I don't understand about this new wave of Anti-Vaxxers is that they don't seem to be the classic anti-vaxxers. My mother was HARSHLY anti-vaxx when I was a child, and I had to go get like 5 rounds of chicken pox shots and shit when i was a whole ass 18-year-old to attend school. It was embarrassing and it sucked. She was in the 'vaccines give you autism' camp for the longest time. (jokes on you, mom, i didn't get any vaccines and still came out a retard)

But she got the COVID-19 Vaccine.

It seems like the people who aren't getting the vaccine now just aren't getting it because they're being told to do it. I cannot TELL YOU how many people are currently trying to sue their employer/the federal government for requiring vaccines and I don't know a single attorney who would touch that case with a ten foot pole. Like- they literally just don't want to do it because they don't wanna be a sheep... but like at what cost??

I almost wonder if it's a generational thing. Like if the US school system failed a very specific group of children. it's probably just low IQ tho tbh.
 
What I don't understand about this new wave of Anti-Vaxxers is that they don't seem to be the classic anti-vaxxers. My mother was HARSHLY anti-vaxx when I was a child, and I had to go get like 5 rounds of chicken pox shots and shit when i was a whole ass 18-year-old to attend school. It was embarrassing and it sucked. She was in the 'vaccines give you autism' camp for the longest time. (jokes on you, mom, i didn't get any vaccines and still came out an exceptional individual)

But she got the COVID-19 Vaccine.

It seems like the people who aren't getting the vaccine now just aren't getting it because they're being told to do it. I cannot TELL YOU how many people are currently trying to sue their employer/the federal government for requiring vaccines and I don't know a single attorney who would touch that case with a ten foot pole. Like- they literally just don't want to do it because they don't wanna be a sheep... but like at what cost??

I almost wonder if it's a generational thing. Like if the US school system failed a very specific group of children. it's probably just low IQ tho tbh.
Conservatives were already convinced that COVID was no big deal because the previous measures to contain it were hardships for them. When the vaccine came along, they convinced themselves that it would be a hardship too.
 
I cannot TELL YOU how many people are currently trying to sue their employer/the federal government for requiring vaccines and I don't know a single attorney who would touch that case with a ten foot pole. Like- they literally just don't want to do it because they don't wanna be a sheep... but like at what cost??
Federal courts have already ruled that it's completely legal for them to do so, so the lawyers that are doing so are just grifting the rubes.
 
What I don't understand about this new wave of Anti-Vaxxers is that they don't seem to be the classic anti-vaxxers. My mother was HARSHLY anti-vaxx when I was a child, and I had to go get like 5 rounds of chicken pox shots and shit when i was a whole ass 18-year-old to attend school. It was embarrassing and it sucked. She was in the 'vaccines give you autism' camp for the longest time. (jokes on you, mom, i didn't get any vaccines and still came out an exceptional individual)

But she got the COVID-19 Vaccine.

It seems like the people who aren't getting the vaccine now just aren't getting it because they're being told to do it. I cannot TELL YOU how many people are currently trying to sue their employer/the federal government for requiring vaccines and I don't know a single attorney who would touch that case with a ten foot pole. Like- they literally just don't want to do it because they don't wanna be a sheep... but like at what cost??

I almost wonder if it's a generational thing. Like if the US school system failed a very specific group of children. it's probably just low IQ tho tbh.
It's like that old aesop fable of the stubborn ass. Got to go your own way even if it means you end up at the bottom of a cliff with a broken neck

It might be a generational thing. I didn't get into it but I recall a lot of my peers being into the whole anti-authority thing.

It might also be an American thing too. Usa is obsessed with freedom and that's all well and good but to take to the extreme that these rallys tout is a bit whack to me.

It's a whole mindset that needs to move on. Yes there are countries like say China that overly control, and are dictators to their population and it sucks. But there are legit times authority figures are looking out for everyone. And there are legit times people who are standing up against authority are more of a threat than the authority figures who tend to get villified to hell and back.

But they don't see it. There's no self reflection, no care at all if other people get hurt or terrorized, just a focus on what other people are doing and their insecurity over loss of freedom. They need to be afraid of other real threats for a change - in this case a disease.
 
Federal courts have already ruled that it's completely legal for them to do so, so the lawyers that are doing so are just grifting the rubes.
i haven't seen a single attorney take the case- that doesn't mean nobody is tho.

imho attorneys are too narcissistic to take a case they know they're going to lose. Looking like an anti-vaxx clown AND losing the case would seriously hurt their brand
 
A lot of people say this, and bless 'em, but it only holds as strong as the weakest link. A couple decades from now the little woman gets cold feet about you dying slowly in front of her, or your daughter-in-law calls APS because it's not clear that either of you are decisional and the roof is falling in. And if you collapse in public, in the produce section, there's no paperwork on the planet that'll stop the grocery clerk from calling 911.

"Haven't seen a doctor in 30 years" turns into "do EVERYTHING" when the rest of the family gets to make the decisions. Dad never compromised, never cared about preventative medicine, and he never gave us approval as kids; we're going to keep him alive, no matter how much it hurts him, and maybe that will finally show him that we love him.

I wish someone could explain to these people about POLST (or equivalent) and advance directives; it seems right up the sovereign citizens' alley! You may think the medical establishment is the enemy, but it's your loved ones who'll sell you out to them, unless you use this one weird trick.
 
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