Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

[behindyourightnow]

Did the people concocting grand conspiracy theories to explain the vaccine requirements all forget that there have been vaccine mandates in place for decades for stuff like attending school or college and working in healthcare? Seems like the Illuminati could have saved themselves a lot of time and effort just by shoving their microchips into the polio vaccine or something.

True, they wouldn't kill off the compliant citizens. But I'm not so sure about those who are decent citizens that contribute to the economy but don't approve of the mandate and the government.

I have no idea what you are saying here: assuming the elites are the ones controlling the government, wouldn't they want to kill those people off, since they don't approve of the government? So why poison the wrong type of people with a vaccine?

This is just bad writing, dude. If I was going to come up with "elites faked covid and are trying to kill us" fanfiction, I would structure the plot so that the elites were going to release another virus next year that killed off the unvaccinated.

Wouldn't it be better to not mandate the vaccine while it's in its trial stages and first year of distribution? It would give the skeptics less of a leg to stand on.

The first covid vaccine in the US was given on December 14 2020, and the federal vaccine mandate goes into effect November 22 2021. So your opposition comes down to people not having an extra twenty-two days to think about it?

 

[Kripolkripa]

Did the people concocting grand conspiracy theories to explain the vaccine requirements all forget that there have been vaccine mandates in place for decades for stuff like attending school or college and working in healthcare?

Vaccinations for endemic viruses (COVID, influenza) which become useless after a very short period of time (flu vaccine, COVID vaccine) have never been made mandatory especially not to this degree.

Instituting a policy where millions of people get fired and mass civil unrest is encouraged after a year's worth of lockdowns causing massive economic shockwaves and supply chain/labor issues is plainly stupid. It's quite clear

 

[behindyourightnow]

Yeah it’s almost as if this is a new situation of some sort. Caused by, like, some sort of... novel coronavirus. Crazy shit.

“Millions fired and civil unrest” seems like another chapter of the fanfiction. What is going to happen is exactly what has happened so far: Most people will cave and get the shot, a few more will get fired and complain on facebook until their friends quietly unfollow them.

Which also lines up with what has happened with vaccine mandates in the past. There's a tiny minority that stays heavily against it, but the majority of the "vaccine hesitant" change their minds, and then move on with their lives.

 

[Disheveled Human]

My favorite anti-vax opener. "I am not an anti-vaxxer but....".

 

[Kripolkripa]

Yeah it’s almost as if this is a new situation of some sort. Caused by, like, some sort of... novel coronavirus. Crazy shit.

“Millions fired and civil unrest” seems like another chapter of the fanfiction. What is going to happen is exactly what has happened so far: Most people will cave and get the shot, a few more will get fired and complain on facebook until their friends quietly unfollow them.

Which also lines up with what has happened with vaccine mandates in the past. There's a tiny minority that stays heavily against it, but the majority of the "vaccine hesitant" change their minds, and then move on with their lives.

So your excuse for unprecedented and overly authoritarian actions by governments and corporations is now that it is new and novel. I thought the argument was that since we got polio vaccine and others that we shouldn’t complain or ask questions. But clearly there’s a difference between those vaccines and the new one big pharma is pushing, so we can agree there, and point out that it’s odd that a vaccine which lasts less than a year would be a requirement for grocery shopping or using other basic services.

Is it being novel the sole justification you need for mass authoritarian measures everywhere? The Spanish flu was dozens of times deadlier than COVID and it was ending solely through natural immunity by the end of the 2 year mark. Why does an endemic virus with a far lower death rate require vaccinations years after initial spread, especially when we know it can mutate in animal reservoirs thus making viable long term vaccinations near impossible? Just as with influenza.

 

[Raging Capybara]

We now have developed countries, undeveloped countries, and undeveloping countries.

Keep in mind that it's for ANY vaccine, even polio and measles.

 

[JaneThough]

Psst you guys, I don't think @IncestualMayoMonkeys read the book

 

[Shield Breaker]

I hope not because I fall into the same category. Just like I wasn’t first in line to get the shot, I’d rather my kid isn’t too. She’ll get the jab but to be perfectly honest I’d rather she didn’t get it in the first wave.

Edit: I realize this is an irrational feeling, but we’re all allowed a little bit of that.

Yeah, I understand why we don't have data on possible long-term side effects, but it still makes me nervous. I don't think there's any nefarious plan or something, I just worry about possible complications from it way down the line. My husband feels the same way, what with one of his grandfathers dying from complications due to agent orange. Like you said, we know that it is irrational, but we still want to hold off until the second or third wave.

 

[Hyro]

Yeah, I understand why we don't have data on possible long-term side effects, but it still makes me nervous. I don't think there's any nefarious plan or something, I just worry about possible complications from it way down the line. My husband feels the same way, what with one of his grandfathers dying from complications due to agent orange. Like you said, we know that it is irrational, but we still want to hold off until the second or third wave.

I don't feel like anyone but the most partisan leftwingers who've for some reason adopted vaccines as a weird purity test are upset at people being a bit worried about unforseen consequences. I was just as worried when getting anaesthetic for surgery in case I had an allergic reaction from it. I think there's a canyon of difference between that and the lolcows sperging out about how the vaccine is designed to kill off the population (despite the fact that it'd leave only the schizos who hate the people who planned it, making the "elites" the dumbest conspirators in human history), and how it's going to kill everyone in 6 months, erm I mean 1 year, err I mean 2 years, actually 5 years, hmm maybe 10 years? it'll definitely be in... etc etc.

 

[John Merston]

 

[Wormy]

I don't feel like anyone but the most partisan leftwingers who've for some reason adopted vaccines as a weird purity test are upset at people being a bit worried about unforseen consequences. I was just as worried when getting anaesthetic for surgery in case I had an allergic reaction from it. I think there's a canyon of difference between that and the lolcows sperging out about how the vaccine is designed to kill off the population (despite the fact that it'd leave only the schizos who hate the people who planned it, making the "elites" the dumbest conspirators in human history), and how it's going to kill everyone in 6 months, erm I mean 1 year, err I mean 2 years, actually 5 years, hmm maybe 10 years? it'll definitely be in... etc etc.

It's honestly more the "Question authority and be skeptical! Except when it comes to right wing pundits, who are NEVER in it for the easy clicks and money, and Facebook mommy groups, everything they say is accurate and trustworthy!" for me.

Yeah, I understand why we don't have data on possible long-term side effects, but it still makes me nervous. I don't think there's any nefarious plan or something, I just worry about possible complications from it way down the line. My husband feels the same way, what with one of his grandfathers dying from complications due to agent orange. Like you said, we know that it is irrational, but we still want to hold off until the second or third wave.

Case in point of what HEALTHY skepticism is. ^

 

[NakiNoRyu]

...My husband feels the same way, what with one of his grandfathers dying from complications due to agent orange...

At the risk of sounding like an asshole, you both do know that a herbicide isn't a vaccine, yes? Its like being afraid of a car because someone got electrocuted by a toaster or ceiling fan, and feeling justified because they're both machines, despite both having completely unrelated uses.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

So your excuse for unprecedented and overly authoritarian actions by governments and corporations is now that it is new and novel. I thought the argument was that since we got polio vaccine and others that we shouldn’t complain or ask questions. But clearly there’s a difference between those vaccines and the new one big pharma is pushing, so we can agree there, and point out that it’s odd that a vaccine which lasts less than a year would be a requirement for grocery shopping or using other basic services.

Is it being novel the sole justification you need for mass authoritarian measures everywhere? The Spanish flu was dozens of times deadlier than COVID and it was ending solely through natural immunity by the end of the 2 year mark. Why does an endemic virus with a far lower death rate require vaccinations years after initial spread, especially when we know it can mutate in animal reservoirs thus making viable long term vaccinations near impossible? Just as with influenza.

If they could've made the vaccine for the Spanish flu back then, they would have. I know you're a tard, but you do know that biotech science is quite a bit more advanced than it was 100 years ago, right?

You spazes who think that this is some huge conspiracy by big pharma that nearly every doctor and medical scientist in the world is in on are seriously really bad at logic and math. Like, I am surprised they let you graduate high school with how bad your math and logic skills are. In fact, you should probably be able to sue them for letting you graduate... Big pharma and healthcare orgs makes a hell of a lot more money from an ICU stay from an unvaccinated dumbass than it does from a vaccine. An ICU stay can be over a million dollars, and usually is 6 figures at a minimum.

It could just be, maybe, that the government realizes that anti-vax spazes going around and spreading covid to the population is just not a very good thing for society. No, it's gotta be some vast conspiracy that nearly every doc and scientist in the world is in on

 

[behindyourightnow]

This tard doesn't know, and doesn't bother to find out, that scientists worked desperately to find vaccines throughout the Spanish Flu pandemic and that some were even in wide usage (they did not work very well though, since the influenza virus had not been isolated.) Also comparing the Spanish flu favorably to today in terms of "overly authoritarian actions by governments" is fucking hilarious given that the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act were in play then and media was highly censored due to World War I.

Press/Journalism (USA) | International Encyclopedia of the First World War (WW1)

In the United States, the press played a key role in shaping public opinion toward the First World War as it shifted from mediator to belligerent. Despite the existence of voices expressing reservations stemming from diverse political philosophies, and informed by ongoing debates about class...

encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net

(Why the fuck do you think it was called "Spanish flu"? Go look it up and learn something)

I am tired of retards reading a single facebook post that makes them feel smart, instead of actually taking time to learn about a subject.

 

[Shield Breaker]

At the risk of sounding like an asshole, you both do know that a herbicide isn't a vaccine, yes? Its like being afraid of a car because someone got electrocuted by a toaster or ceiling fan, and feeling justified because they're both machines, despite both having completely unrelated uses.

Yes, but for years they denied that anything was wrong with that shit until about a year before his grandfather passed away. It's not being afraid of a vaccine because of herbicide, it's just our government has a history of denying or downplaying the dangers of stuff. Like I said before, we're both vaxxed, so it isn't being afraid of the government, but when it comes to our kids, we are going to wait a couple of rounds out of an abundance of caution.

I realize I am not being completely rational, but it's my kids. How can I be when it comes to their safety?

 

[NakiNoRyu]

Yes, but for years they denied that anything was wrong with that shit until about a year before his grandfather passed away. It's not being afraid of a vaccine because of herbicide, it's just our government has a history of denying or downplaying the dangers of stuff.

You should have led off with this, it's a more fair point, but even then, there's a vast, vast difference between the US Gov lying to the public, and every governing body, every medical body, and anyone and everyone else making a concerted effort to lie for some nebulous reason. It makes sense to lie and deny culpability for poisonings your own side, because fighting The Reds is important (and paying restitution would cost too much), but lying to...get people to stop dying in droves, stop pushing medical institutions to the brink of mass burnout and collapse, and to start repairing the fucked the global economy for who knows how long just doesn't sound particularly nefarious to me.

Like I said before, we're both vaxxed, so it isn't being afraid of the government, but when it comes to our kids, we are going to wait a couple of rounds out of an abundance of caution.

I realize I am not being completely rational, but it's my kids. How can I be when it comes to their safety?

I dunno, its probably because I don't have kids myself, nor am I particularly given to acting in ways I can't articulate an actual reason for, but it's just such a silly gamble, and I cant think of a single side effect you honestly think is a worse fate to straight death. I'd ask if you've actually talked to your/a pediatrician, but i feel like its a waste of keystrokes. I sincerely hope for your family's sake we don't get a mutation that starts affecting children with the mortality rate of Delta.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

I dunno, its probably because I don't have kids myself, nor am I particularly given to acting in ways I can't articulate an actual reason for, but it's just such a silly gamble, and I cant think of a single side effect you honestly think is a worse fate to straight death. I'd ask if you've actually talked to your/a pediatrician, but i feel like its a waste of keystrokes. I sincerely hope for your family's sake we don't get a mutation that starts affecting children with the mortality rate of Delta.

When you're discussing something that causes death as rarely as COVID does in kids, you need to work with huge numbers to even judge how well a vaccine prevents death. Likewise with all vaccines you need to look at pretty huge numbers to see rare side effects. That's why the extent of myocarditis in younger men didn't show up until after mass vaccination of teenagers had begun. Paul Offit said you never really know until the first million doses are out. If what you're vaccinating for poses a significant risk to kids, the possibility of rare side effects is much less of a deterent. I vaccinate for measles and I know the measles vaccine has some hideous rare side effects. Would I vaccinate my one-year-old for COVID if it carried the same risk as a measles vaccine, and COVID-vaccine level protection? I'm not sure.

I did speak to my kids' pediatrician, as well as their infectious disease doctor. So I'll save you the keystrokes of asking. They said, and I'll paraphrase, "meh. You could justify going either way."

If kids start dying in mass numbers of a new contagious disease, of course people will make different decisions.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

 

[AnOminous]

When you're discussing something that causes death as rarely as COVID does in kids, you need to work with huge numbers to even judge how well a vaccine prevents death.

That's why they've been really slow to adopt it. As a cost/benefit analysis, if there's an absolutely minuscule chance of a child dying from something, even a slightly larger minuscule chance of an adverse effect from the vax outweighs it, plus you're wasting a dose of a vaccine to accomplish nothing of value.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Emerald is the best, how does she keep this up and do her day job? (The other half of her tweets are all Biden is a dictator who stole the 2020 election.)