US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

They can’t control they Party they have now, what makes you think they’d be able to control the new one?

Another question would be, which Dems get to run the new Party? The Establishmentarians? The Progressives? The “Business Dems”? It can’t be some combination of these because they all hate each other and their split is the whole reason the Dems are imploding right now.

Well the smart lefties will probably jump to the new "centrist" party leaving all the crazies behind as the "democrats/lefties." Thus the battle against subversion begins again just like prior. They don't have to fully control it only imbed themselves in it and slowly work their way into leadership.

I don't think any progressives are that smart, they are the useful idiots. The establishmentarians also wouldn't work as they'd have to compromise which is foreign to them. Now business dems, I could see possibly.

While the insane lefties cause a major spectacle this is all that the democrats jumping ship need is a smoke screen. Enough time to burrow into their new family and start trying to take the reins. Now the only question is if they are smart enough to use the tools at their disposal or will be swallowed up by the remnants of the democrats?

 

[Blackhole]

The last few pages of this thread make me think that you may be right, I may be crazy. But I just might be the lunatic you’re looking for. Turn out the lights, don’t try to save me. You maybe wrong for all I know, but you may be right.

I think you've had a bit too much to think citizen. Please take your medication. It's for your safety.

 

[spinal gas chamber]

Now the only question is if they are smart enough to use the tools at their disposal or will be swallowed up by the remnants of the democrats?

We didn’t start the fire. No, we didn’t light it, but we’re trying to fight it.

 

[ForgedBlades]

via @TrumpJew2

2024 if every state swung like NJ last night (18% shift to the right):

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Beto?

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

The one thing I do think the democrats did was make a back up plan. All they have to do is make a secondary party of sorts play the "pseudo centrist" game of blaming both parties and propose the new party (mainly those who are leftwing faithful) and try again. It sounds silly, but I could see it pulling the wool over most normies eyes who are getting tired of politics in general and blame both the left (justifiably) ad the right (ignorantly) for the whole countries ills over time. Now the only question I have is if they were this smart to use the back up options they have, and I hope not because I could see such an attempt actually bearing fruit and fooling quite a few people. "They're not the democrats, they're the X's and both right wing and left wing are responsible for this!" being shouted by the masses as it comes to a head. --- > It's also no coincidence this became a common "centrist" talking point for a few years now...

The only other possibility I see for the left is them pushing harder to conceal some brainwashing of the youth to set up a down the line plan that they hope provides an opportunity to stand back up from this failure and a second chance/grace possibly. They might push harder even if it exposes them hoping to set up a child-chain to win 20-30 years down the road if they're successful enough. This isn't very likely though and can easily fail if a few things go wrong.

All in all it should be a disaster for them, but if the republicans get too complacent it still provides means of opportunity for the left, and that's where I think many fear. It's not a guarantee but a potential outcome if the right wing doesn't shape its ass up and quash any potential silver linings for them. They themselves have quite a few issues to attempt such a thing and for the most part they should be foiled, but I won't count my chickens before they hatch.

I could honestly see the Democrat Party fracturing. It's not likely, but it's possible. However, I don't think that'd be planned and I think a lot of the moderates would come to the Republicans.

If you look at Biden's numbers, there's a floor there. These are the 'vote blue no matter who' folks. The Republicans have similar people. Their attitude is basically "I don't give a shit what's going on, I'm a Republican/Democrat and that's how I'm voting".

I was a kid, but the first election I ever paid attention to was H.W. Bush, Clinton and Ross Perot. Perot polled reasonably well and then didn't (I can't remember why, I was 12), but he didn't have that floor. There wasn't that contingent of people that would go out and vote for him no matter what.

There's a certain tribal identity that comes with two major parties and it guarantees them a certain level of support. That takes time to build and leaving those parties behind means you lose that, and when you lose that, you lose your relevance.

Just my take.

 

[Gehenna]

via @TrumpJew2

2024 if every state swung like NJ last night (18% shift to the right):

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It's unlikely to be so prominent in the most of these states, but see what you get if it's a 9 point swing.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

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As a Texan, that guy's like a bad case of the clap. Every time you think you got rid of him, he comes back.

 

[Snekposter]

Let me run this by you. We agree on everything you've said... however, they have another problem. Those Democrats that are in contested districts are unlikely to survive 2022 and 2024. Biden's administration is a sinking ship and it's going to suck down anybody who's not in a pure blue district. That's going to cause a lot of Democrats that might be palatable to the independents to lose their seats.

Nancy Pelosi has been a mainstay in her party's leadership since I was old enough to legally buy a beer (and that's been a couple decades). However, she's in a safe district and while she can manage the Democrats in the House reasonably well, she could never run for National Office because she's disliked even by moderate Democrats. If I'm not mistaken, what's coming is going to take a bench that is already not very deep and make it even shallower. If this is the bloodbath that I think it's going to be, all that's going to be left are the crazies.

You're not wrong about your diagnosis or your prognosis. The Democrats did the usual authoritarian thing of preventing any capable challengers, carefully picked a few as their chosen replacements, and then... those people all got kneecapped by the power-hungry radicals unwilling to play by the rules. Add in their own failures of governance forcing the Dems to plan for the here-and-now and not anything properly long-term, its nothing less than 10 years IMO of solid Republican rule as the Dems unfuck themselves.

EDIT: Believe it or not, but I find that only marginally more palatable than solid Dem rule. Uncontested single-party rule always leads to disaster and implosion for the party in charge, and along with them the country they govern. Even Mexico's PRI after 71 years of corrupt-but-mostly-stable rule finally had the wheels come off in 2000. And Mexico has been on a wild ride ever since then.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

As a Texan, that guy's like a bad case of the clap. Every time you think you get rid of him, he comes back.

You could run a Longhorn and it would be a better candidate than Robert O'Rourke-for any office. At least it wouldn't pretend to be a Kennedy.

 

[polonium]

Murphy will eek out this election

Eek out or not

It's "eke".
Eek is an exclamation of surprise, such as Biden's staffers might make when he drops a load in his drawers for the third time today.

 

[MirrorNoir]

I'm starting to see articles (probably here) about how the future of the Democrat Party lies away from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I don't know that Joe Biden is going to be capable of pulling it together well enough to mount a campaign in 2024 (I doubt it.... I don't think he could've handled the rigors of a campaign in 2020 if 2020 had been a normal year). But what does that even look like?

If Joe Biden drops out, who's the heir apparent if not Kamala? Beto? Because I can't think of anyone more palatable (and as a Texan, Beto ain't all that palatable).

I've been in situations where things go catastrophically wrong and you can't chart a path forward because there's too much dust in the air... but how do they recover from this (or more accurately, how do they try to recover from this)? It's likely no major legislation will pass between now and 2022 (and it's not by the Republican's hands either... they couldn't get their own party onboard before this and I've got a feeling that those Dems in purple districts that did support him are going to run far away from Biden's agenda now). 2022 is a year away and they have nothing to run on.

Pelosi is likely to duck out because she doesn't want to end her career as the minority leader. Who takes the reigns then? Maxine Waters? Someone from the squad?

Then when 2024 rolls around and neither Joe or Kamala is on the ticket, who steps up? Who would want to? They have to come out as a relative unknown and then run on Biden's record? If things keep going the way they are, that record is radioactive. It's safe to assume you're not getting their A-Team.

Afghanistan, even though it isn't discussed in the news anymore, was the moment Joe's credibility disintegrated and that damaged the whole party. Last night was the first rumbles of the Earthquake that's going to rip the Democrats apart. I don't see how they play this. They just got the reigns back and they're coming apart less than a year into it.

There are people in this thread far more attuned to the way politics work, but I think this is about to be a disaster for them.

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

 

[Gar For Archer]

You're not wrong about your diagnosis or your prognosis. The Democrats did the usual authoritarian thing of preventing any capable challengers, carefully picked a few as their chosen replacements, and then... those people all got kneecapped by the power-hungry radicals unwilling to play by the rules. Add in their own failures of governance forcing the Dems to plan for the here-and-now and not anything properly long-term, its nothing less than 10 years IMO of solid Republican rule as the Dems unfuck themselves.

It's frankly insane how much of a change of pace just one year as brought. This time last year we were all dooming about how America would never have a fair election again, but it really seems like the facade is falling down on the Democrats and revealing that not only are they not all-powerful, their power structure has actually completely rotted from the inside and is practically on the verge of collapse. The Democrats in Current Year(tm) remind me of the pre-2016 Republicans, where it really seemed like there was no future for them down the path they were currently heading. For the Republicans, Donald Trump showed that there was a new way forward for the party (whether corpo cuckservatives want to take it is a whole other matter). For the Democrats, I feel like a "radical centrist" movement is all but inevitable in the near future, as it becomes more and more clear to them (and even to the progs) that unrestrained progressivism is a platform that's completely cancerous to the average American.

 

[Snekposter]

You could run a Longhorn and it would be a better candidate than Robert O'Rourke-for any office. At least it wouldn't pretend to be a Kennedy.

Only steers and queers come from Texas and I don't see any horns on Beto.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

You could run a Longhorn and it would be a better candidate than Robert O'Rourke-for any office. At least it wouldn't pretend to be a Kennedy.

I still can't imagine what went through his mind when he decided to say "Hell yes, I'm going to take your guns". That pissed of Democrats down here and pretty much precludes him from statewide office.

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

If this supply chain thing keeps going south, I think Mayor Pete may be done. The whole "I'm taking paternity leave" while the supply chain crumbles isn't going to look good if shelves start getting emptier.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

Yeah, but then you’re back to the question of whether all the warring factions can agree on supporting them. Bernie is a hard “No”, Warren is no Prog, and Bootyjudge is serving in the Biden Cabinet so he’s tied to the Admin and that sinks him because the first thing his opponents will say is “The Biden Admin was so bad that not only could Biden not run for re-election, not only could his VP not run, but they had to drop all the way down to Transportation Secretary to find an Admin member to run”

 

[Gehenna]

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

Warren wrecked her own chances with revealing she had lied all the while about being native. Just wrecking balled her support with a ton of vital cosntiuents.

You can blame Biden for wrecking Pete though, being the transportation secretary during the largest transportation crisis in American history is just -damning-. And that's without getting into the fact he is hated by the African community for being gay.

 

[Disc]

It's "eke".
Eek is an exclamation of surprise, such as Biden's staffers might make when he drops a load in his drawers for the third time today.

they're not surprised.

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

I do wonder if, in the long run, it would have been better for them to lose the 2020 election. it seems increasingly like they had the external problem (trump) and the internal problem (party fracturing), and they need a reason to split the party, cut out the bad part, and re-establish themselves. But to do that, they need to lose. Rather than dealing with the fracture, they just fixated on trump to try and unify people. but in the long run, that's made every single politically-minded citygoer open and very combative.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I'm starting to see articles (probably here) about how the future of the Democrat Party lies away from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I don't know that Joe Biden is going to be capable of pulling it together well enough to mount a campaign in 2024 (I doubt it.... I don't think he could've handled the rigors of a campaign in 2020 if 2020 had been a normal year). But what does that even look like?

If Joe Biden drops out, who's the heir apparent if not Kamala? Beto? Because I can't think of anyone more palatable (and as a Texan, Beto ain't all that palatable).

I've been in situations where things go catastrophically wrong and you can't chart a path forward because there's too much dust in the air... but how do they recover from this (or more accurately, how do they try to recover from this)? It's likely no major legislation will pass between now and 2022 (and it's not by the Republican's hands either... they couldn't get their own party onboard before this and I've got a feeling that those Dems in purple districts that did support him are going to run far away from Biden's agenda now). 2022 is a year away and they have nothing to run on.

Pelosi is likely to duck out because she doesn't want to end her career as the minority leader. Who takes the reigns then? Maxine Waters? Someone from the squad?

Then when 2024 rolls around and neither Joe or Kamala is on the ticket, who steps up? Who would want to? They have to come out as a relative unknown and then run on Biden's record? If things keep going the way they are, that record is radioactive. It's safe to assume you're not getting their A-Team.

Afghanistan, even though it isn't discussed in the news anymore, was the moment Joe's credibility disintegrated and that damaged the whole party. Last night was the first rumbles of the Earthquake that's going to rip the Democrats apart. I don't see how they play this. They just got the reigns back and they're coming apart less than a year into it.

There are people in this thread far more attuned to the way politics work, but I think this is about to be a disaster for them.

Michelle Obama and Oprah. Kind of shitposting but I also genuinely have no clue who else could step up given that the Democrats took a long, hard look at their stable in 2020 and decided Kamala and Joe were the only viable choices.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I could honestly see the Democrat Party fracturing. It's not likely, but it's possible. However, I don't think that'd be planned and I think a lot of the moderates would come to the Republicans.

If you look at Biden's numbers, there's a floor there. These are the 'vote blue no matter who' folks. The Republicans have similar people. Their attitude is basically "I don't give a shit what's going on, I'm a Republican/Democrat and that's how I'm voting".

I was a kid, but the first election I ever paid attention to was H.W. Bush, Clinton and Ross Perot. Perot polled reasonably well and then didn't (I can't remember why, I was 12), but he didn't have that floor. There wasn't that contingent of people that would go out and vote for him no matter what.

There's a certain tribal identity that comes with two major parties and it guarantees them a certain level of support. That takes time to build and leaving those parties behind means you lose that, and when you lose that, you lose your relevance.

Just my take.

To be fair most moderates came to the republicans years ago. That's part of the reason the Overton window shifted left so hard, it wasn't merely the left being the establishment for so long, the right was taking in many non-right/conservative views pushing the party in a left leaning direction.

However, the weird thing is the left DID hijack centrist from a social perspective and political perspective: Gary Johnson: Guy was pretty hardcore left leaning/TDS moron of the year award and defying normal libertarian values despite representing said party. Sure he was a joke, but it's more that they had already got their tendrils in that party. It's also why I urge an air of caution just in case it literally is their fallback plan.


I don't disagree with your take on a major party tribal identity, however, if one can shift their identity to a new party while getting rid of the scum stuck to their appearance (See democrats currently) there's potential for them to try to sneak away or put on a new coat of paint. It would take time, and by then we'd probably be old fogies, but considering how determined they've been in the past I wouldn't put it past them as a last attempt plan to regain power.

The reason I argue this is because if they do get heavily damaged by this all (which is likely) it would take years to undo the optics. This would either lead to smarter leftist (which is not good) or a decent term of regaining good faith. I'm not sure if that would work out long term even if that would be the preferred outcome. They might even just let the democrat termed party die and then reform into a new party that is guilt free of the sins of the democrat party, latch on and then become a part of the two party issue in American politics. Merely all that would change is the name.