Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Okay, so hear me out.

A rap concert was just held at Astroworld in TX. The crowd got out of control and began to press in on each other.

"What does this have to do with Covid, Tern?" I hear you cry.

Well, your typical out-of-control crowd scenario usually involves crushing injuries and the like. Trampling. Etc. At this event (and keep in mind it's a rap concert, so not a lot of geriatrics), the primary injuries were...


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Now, there might have been a lot of obese minorities there, true, but 11 heart attacks at one event is something I have quite literally never heard of, and I've been kicking around since mosh pits were a popular, routine thing at concerts.

It was a concert (in Houston, which is shitlib central), so you can be assured some large number of these people were vaxxed. I don't know if they're still requiring proof of vaxx to attend concerts, but that idea was definitely floated earlier in the year.

I don't know. One, it's a rap concert which will be full of black people so lower vaxx rate right there. Two, it's a rap concert and there's gonna be drugs passed around (some of which might be tainted). Three, it's a rap concert so you know there's that Fat Albert-looking nigga DeSean and his big booty bitch La'Kweesha both showed up.

Someone could probably check if this issue is hitting metal or punk concerts too with their moshpits. Although any concert has a lot of exertion anyway so this should be happening at most shows.

The collective well-being of a community will always outweigh the individual's rights.

And the government has been taking away everyone's collective well-being with their failed policies for 20 months and counting.

 

[borsabil]

Ireland has 82% of it's entire population double vaccinated. In some regions close to 100% of all adults have been vaccinated. Not a single individual over the age of 65 has not been vaccinated

Vaccines alone will not prevent the surge in Covid-19 cases, warns Dr Colm Henry

HSE’s chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry has urged the country to “keep the flood wall of vaccination as tight as possible over the winter.”

www.independent.ie

HSE’s chief clinical officer Dr Colm Henry has urged the country to “keep the flood wall of vaccination as tight as possible over the winter.”

Dr Henry said Ireland is in the middle of a surge in Covid-19 cases, after cases jumped to 3,726 yesterday.

Being a committed Branch Covidian Dr Henry's solution to the ICUs being overwhelmed with vaccinated patients is to jab the handful of adults left unvaccinated. That will fix it.

This is the culminative case rate for the week ending the 4th November

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/CIDR%2014%20day%20report_05112021_website_2.pdf

It's broken down by county.

Counties Waterford and Carlow have 99% and 98% of all eligible people double vaccinated. No that's not a typo with near 100% vaccination rates these two areas are suffering the worst infection rates in the entire country.

100% of all over 70's have been vaccinated in Ireland. 95% of 50-69 year old's have been fully vaccinated.

Reminder 70% of all hospitalizations for Covid-19 occur in the over 50's.

There are approx 534,000 people in Ireland between 55 and 65 and 675,000 over the age of 65

So there are around 5-6000 people in the entire country over the age of 55 who have not been vaccinated.

Bear this in mind when reading this

Ireland and the vaccinated hospitalised-it ain't what it looks like

The media have again become fixated on the higher number of COVID-19 fully-vaccinated people in Irish hospitals and ICUs - but when you apply a little mathematics, it's clear that it's still the unvaccinated who

virologydownunder.com

The claim that 54% of hospital patients are vaccinated​

One article noted that 54% of 311 (16 hospitalised COVID-19 cases had been fully vaccinated. This leaves 143 (46%) who weren’t vaccinated.[2] At face value, over half those in the hospital with COVID-19 were fully vaccinated. Why so many? Is this evidence that the vaccine isn’t working? Well, no it’s not because face value doesn’t work in this instance – it’s about some percentages.

We also know that as I write this 89% of the 5,011,500 Irish population [3] over the age of 12 years is fully vaccinated, meaning that 11% are not.

So using those population percentages – we’d expect that 89% of 311 people (~276) would be vaccinated – just by very crude maths and assuming no effect from vaccination. That would leave 35 people (which is 11% of 311) to be unvaccinated.

But hang on. That’s not how the numbers fell out in reality. What mathematical trickery are you trying to pull here Ian? It turns out this isn’t trickery – it’s a sign that there was some kind of an effect from vaccination. But what kind? A bad kind or a good kind?

There were 0.61 times as many vaccinated people in hospitals as we’d expect based on the percentage vaccinated. That’s fewer than expected.

But also, there were 4.0 times as many unvaccinated people in hospitals as we’d expect. That’s a lot more than expected if the vaccine isn’t working.

Extrapolating from this group, if you’re unvaccinated in Ireland you are 6.6 times more likely to be hospitalised with COVID-19 than your vaccinated friend. The vaccine protects from severe disease.

The author assumes that the government is giving accurate hospitalisation data, when clearly they're not. There are not enough unvaccinated vulnerable Irish left to make the data believable. The writer also outright lies about vaccination rates.

Assumptions and Limitations​

I assumed this means the person had passed two weeks since their final vaccine dose. I included unvaccinated as those who had had no vaccine, had not completed their entire vaccine schedule or those for whom <14 days had passed since their final dose.

I’ve very crudely assumed that those in hospital with COVID-19 are a cross-section of the entire Irish population but they aren’t. About 60% of those in hospital were over 65 years of age.[4] But this age group comprises only 15% of the total Irish population.[3] 50% of all hospitalisations due to COVID-19 have been aged over 65 years[5]. Vaccination in those aged over 65 years is at 94% and lower in younger age bands down to 78% in 18-44-year-old males.[6] Those in the hospital will also likely be comprised of a higher proportion of people with underlying conditions.

Over 95% of Irish adults are now vaccinated and 100% of over 65's

We can exclude the entire under 30 demographic from any dataset that lists serious illness and hospitalisation. They're pretty much a statistical zero.

If 50% of hospital cases are over 65 years old and 100% of over 65's are vaccinated......well it doesn't take an Einstein.

We're seeing increasingly desperate levels of cope to explain the obvious truth that the vaccines don't work.

 

[Slimy Time]

Do enjoy reading through this thread from time to time to keep up to date on the general insanity of different countries, as well how easily people will destroy personal relationships over the coof, which is quite sad to read tbh. Maybe it's me, but those who will drop/mistreat friends over politics (and the coof certainly is one) isn't a friend worth keeping. Same thing with extended family.

I've always had this "I can cut almost anyone out of my circle in an instant" mentality and I think it works for keeping friendships since "dropping me" doesn't really matter to me, but it sure as hell matters to a lot of them. Always found, even in covid times, that those who are quick to drop over bullshit like an opinion on the vax suddenly become very desperate to talk when you completely ghost them. Maybe it's not something others here can do, maybe try it, idk. I've done it with family as well.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Thank you, what makes the most sense to me is not taking the vaccine but I don't get to have a say because none of us live in a real democracy, we were never asked our opinion on any of this. I'm curious how many people in this thread are vaxxed vs unvaxxed and how that ratio will change by Christmas.

Going to try and get a religious exemption, when it comes to that. if not, will also be trying to find caretakers for my possession as I have to turn to crime and start living on the streets. I hope we take over a sewer and start setting up the Demolition Man alternate society.

There is also the chance that I can make enough money pan handling to pay my rent, as I won't be allowed to work.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

@borsabil
brb gonna go remind family members I called it last January when I said it wouldn't end, maybe I'll hold off when they get locked down again for extra salt and cope.

 

[Blake Chortles]

Its insane that we just sail by phase 3 trials.

“Hey as long as it doesn’t kill all the rats and most of the smaller human trial is fine lets just go to worldwide release.”

Phase 3 wont even be done for the jabs until 2023.

It just looks so bad in the scientific community, either the FDA deliberately wastes years of time doing this before approving or these approvals are fraudulent.

 

[borsabil]

Going to try and get a religious exemption, when it comes to that. if not, will also be trying to find caretakers for my possession as I have to turn to crime and start living on the streets. I hope we take over a sewer and start setting up the Demolition Man alternate society.

There is also the chance that I can make enough money pan handling to pay my rent, as I won't be allowed to work.

We have a massive labor shortage in Australia. My employer, of whom I'm currently enjoying an extended sabbatical, sent me 5 emails on Friday demanding that I give them a date when I'll be back at work and to provide them with my vaccination certificate. Of course I ignored all of them.

In pre-Covid times I would NEVER receive these kinds of emails. Querying an employees sick leave entitlement is extremely sketchy and could expose them to all kinds of future issues, but I know from collogues that things are pretty desperate. They have a large number of unfilled positions and are getting almost no response to job advertising. Existing staff are becoming burned out having to cover for vacant positions, people off sick from vaccine side effects and people who are still having to quarantine because their kids' classmate caught the coof etc.

I don't really have a handle as to what's going on as every employer in the country is screaming out for more staff. Last year when we were in and out of lockdown this wasn't an issue at all, so it's weird.

Possibilities? Excluding 10% of the population from a lot of jobs likely isn't helping. Even if it ends up that only 5% of adults refuse the jab that's a lot of people missing from the work force. Then there's the vaccines. I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of people are dropping out for other reasons, as in permanently dropping out. Things are getting pretty fucking dire and if the rest of the world is like here they'll be getting rid of the mandates soon enough. or the economy will collapse.

My only advice to people who're being mandated is either fake a certificate or tell them to get fucked and look for something else. If it gives a little comfort there are plenty of jobs out there.

 

[Vecr]

I wonder if it would be recommended to take Pfizer's drug and molnupiravir at the same time to avoid resistance. There's no trials doing that, but who has that stopped before?

 

[Slimy Time]

We have a massive labor shortage in Australia. My employer, of whom I'm currently enjoying an extended sabbatical, sent me 5 emails on Friday demanding that I give them a date when I'll be back at work and to provide them with my vaccination certificate. Of course I ignored all of them.

In pre-Covid times I would NEVER receive these kinds of emails. Querying an employees sick leave entitlement is extremely sketchy and could expose them to all kinds of future issues, but I know from collogues that things are pretty desperate. They have a large number of unfilled positions and are getting almost no response to job advertising. Existing staff are becoming burned out having to cover for vacant positions, people off sick from vaccine side effects and people who are still having to quarantine because their kids' classmate caught the coof etc.

I don't really have a handle as to what's going on as every employer in the country is screaming out for more staff. Last year when we were in and out of lockdown this wasn't an issue at all, so it's weird.

Possibilities? Excluding 10% of the population from a lot of jobs likely isn't helping. Even if it ends up that only 5% of adults refuse the jab that's a lot of people missing from the work force. Then there's the vaccines. I'm beginning to wonder if a lot of people are dropping out for other reasons, as in permanently dropping out. Things are getting pretty fucking dire and if the rest of the world is like here they'll be getting rid of the mandates soon enough. or the economy will collapse.

My only advice to people who're being mandated is either fake a certificate or tell them to get fucked and look for something else. If it gives a little comfort there are plenty of jobs out there.

Employers learning that when a good portion of their force turn around and tell them to get fucked, and that there is no one willing to come on board and replace them will never not be funny. Which airline was it again that learned this the hard way?

 

[Escaped Abortion]

My only advice to people who're being mandated is either fake a certificate or tell them to get fucked and look for something else. If it gives a little comfort there are plenty of jobs out there.

I'm supposed to be vaccinated to be at my building, but I just have a little notice reminding me of that, and then asking me where I'm working. I have no place to put in those details or to deny, so I guess what they don't know, for the time being.

Mostly, I'm concerned when the mandates go through that they will ask more directly. I'd try a religious exemption, or otherwise, lying. I'd be fine facing criminal prosecution for an unjust law, if it comes to it. The logistics of paying my rent worries me just because I like my place and own to many things to carry everywhere, if I won't be allowed to work anywhere. I mean, there's outdoor work or small companies, perhaps. I can try and find gig jobs or see if anything remote is hiring. It's being completely disallowed to pick up even a fast food job that is frightening. I'm not sure how long such a system can be in place before it crumples in on itself, although I will try to milk it out as long as I can.

Still holding out for my sewer society, and just bracing for life to suck to the most extreme level, but maybe if I survive I can climb the corpse pile for all those who took the deathjab if it really does kill people in five years (although, I'd miss a handful of them.)

 

[Billy Beer]

Okay, so hear me out.

A rap concert was just held at Astroworld in TX. The crowd got out of control and began to press in on each other.

"What does this have to do with Covid, Tern?" I hear you cry.

Well, your typical out-of-control crowd scenario usually involves crushing injuries and the like. Trampling. Etc. At this event (and keep in mind it's a rap concert, so not a lot of geriatrics), the primary injuries were...


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Now, there might have been a lot of obese minorities there, true, but 11 heart attacks at one event is something I have quite literally never heard of, and I've been kicking around since mosh pits were a popular, routine thing at concerts.

It was a concert (in Houston, which is shitlib central), so you can be assured some large number of these people were vaxxed. I don't know if they're still requiring proof of vaxx to attend concerts, but that idea was definitely floated earlier in the year.

I'm with you buddy. I've done a fair few concerts, mosh pits, live gigs etc in my youth and I have never heard of cardiac arrest at a concert, let alone 11.

The only sensible, non-covid reason i can think of, is a bad batch of drugs. But 11 cardiac arrests is too consistent and low to be a bad batch of drugs. Unless somebody cut E/MDMA with viagra and coffee?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

I'm with you buddy. I've done a fair few concerts, mosh pits, live gigs etc in my youth and I have never heard of cardiac arrest at a concert, let alone 11.

The only sensible, non-covid reason i can think of, is a bad batch of drugs. But 11 cardiac arrests is too consistent and low to be a bad batch of drugs. Unless somebody cut E/MDMA with viagra and coffee?

Put me down for a bad batch of drugs, we've had a lot of concerts in the north of Ireland and nothing like that has happened, to my knowledge.

 

[Art Kassul]

The only sensible, non-covid reason i can think of, is a bad batch of drugs. But 11 cardiac arrests is too consistent and low to be a bad batch of drugs. Unless somebody cut E/MDMA with viagra and coffee?

Could just be: Houston + rap fans = world-class-levels of gutter people. The populations that fit that demographic are more likely to be obese and unhealthy than most any other.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

The problem and the part I have trouble wrapping my head around is: If this is population control, what are they trying to achieve? If they kill off everyone who listened to them, then they're left with a group of-- probably armed-- right wing people who are probably now extremely radicalized by the passing of most of the people they know.

The only thing I can figure that makes sense if this is deliberately meant to kill off a bunch of people is that, Covid leaked before it was ready, and then the Powers That Be(TM) went "Oh shit our plan just went out the window" and then decided to commission vaccines for a ton of people to take and die from in order to still 'save the world' in their twisted view of salvation from climate change. Basically "I'm taking you with me"? I guess alternatively to weaken the world so China could take over?

It's lofty though.

I'm of the opinion that your second paragraph is mainly correct. It was sprung before finished and they went 'oh fuck' = first sticky on the dart board hit was 'use the backup that also isn't ready'.

95% leaves 390 million so just under their 500 million. Which if you take into account that all the old people will be gone, and that they still need to replenish their stock, to make sure they don't have to get their own hands dirty, if humans bred at 1% a year, that is still 4 million people each year for 25 years to reach 500 million. That then puts you almost at 2050, net zero, which would mean no human could survive for very long anyway, without any of the technology that is in use today, we'd be going back to a lifespan of 30 years; OR they may think they'll have human technology integration, and live forever, so no one needs to breed any longer anyway.

Sure I think we've done a lot of things wrong, but that all comes back to them, not us, they are the ones that have made every change of direction happen. Yes I think there are too many people packed into cities and shit, but that doesn't mean we just up and exterminate them all.

There are better ways to do all of it, but greedy arseholes want what they want.

Fuck I hope we're wrong!

 

[Super-Chevy454]

When de Blasio wants to paid kids to get vaccinated. It's much more fishy and I watch this from suspicious eyes like the third world kid meme.

NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio: Get kid vaccinated against COVID-19, get $100

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio says he found a way to get families with kids ages 5 to 11 into the COVID-19 vaccine clinic: Pay ‘em.

www.washingtontimes.com

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio says he found a way to get families with kids ages 5 to 11 into the COVID-19 vaccine clinic: Pay ‘em.

Mr. de Blasio said parents who bring in their kids will get a $100 incentive payment as he tries to get as many children immunized as possible before Christmas.

“We really want kids to take advantage, families take advantage of that,” Mr. de Blasio, a Democrat, said Thursday. “Everyone could use a little more money around the holidays. But, most importantly, we want our kids and our families to be safe.”

He promoted the incentive as the federal government ships millions of doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine to pediatricians and pharmacies for kids ages 5 to 11. Federal agencies cleared the child vaccine, which uses a smaller dose than the adult version, earlier in the week.

Mr. de Blasio said he is working to ensure that every school holds an on-campus vaccination event.

The mayor said it would be ideal for a parent to accompany a child getting the vaccine.

“Because it’s 100% clear they’re giving consent. But also just in terms of supporting the child, that’s ideal,” he said.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

@borsabil it was confirmed over a year ago that hospitalisations and deaths in Ireland don’t differentiate between symptomatics who are sick because of covid and asymptomatics with positive swabs. This was brought up again recently but the reporting system wasn’t changed. So now they’re reporting X% of ICU admissions are unvaxed without specifying why they’re in ICU, we can pretty safely assume that not everyone is there because they’re sick with the Chinese Catchoo (10% was quoted in the media so you can be sure it’s more than that).

independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-wants-clearer-data-on-hospital-admissions-as-delta-threat-grows-40688984.html

Can’t archive at the moment because I’m on mobile but I’m sure I already posted these with archives when they were first published anyway.

 

[borsabil]

@borsabil it was confirmed over a year ago that hospitalisations and deaths in Ireland don’t differentiate between symptomatics who are sick because of covid and asymptomatics with positive swabs. This was brought up again recently but the reporting system wasn’t changed. So now they’re reporting X% of ICU admissions are unvaxed without specifying why they’re in ICU, we can pretty safely assume that not everyone is there because they’re sick with the Chinese Catchoo (10% was quoted in the media so you can be sure it’s more than that).

independent.ie/irish-news/politics/varadkar-wants-clearer-data-on-hospital-admissions-as-delta-threat-grows-40688984.html

Can’t archive at the moment because I’m on mobile but I’m sure I already posted these with archives when they were first published anyway.

Yes I think this is exactly what they're doing. Simply issue instructions to hospital admin that all unvaxxed patients coming into Emergency must receive a PCR test. do not issue the same instruction for the vaccinated. Even better start messing with the PCR Ct. Run them at higher cycles for the unvaxxed and get even bigger numbers to put in your reports.

What we're expected to believe is that a vaccine(s) which obviously offers no protection against infection and seems to be enhancing transmission is somehow preventing disease and hopsitlaisation? How exactly are they doing that? Apart from "muh antibodies" no one can come up with a plausible mechanism.

They are absolutely lying through their teeth when it comes to morbidity and mortality in the vaxxed compared to the unvaxxed. In a country like Ireland there is literally no one over the age of 65 who hasn't been vaccinated. Remember back in the distant past of 2020, when the Wuhan and Alpha strains were rampant? Remember those video's from Italy showing the ICUs. Do you recall seeing many young people fighting to breath? How about pregnant women? Children? That's right they were packed full of fat boomers. Just like the ICUs in America, the UK and Australia. But with the far less virulent Delta strain, which is exactly the same virus but a lot less deadly, now young adults, pregnant birthing persons and little kids are jamming up intensive care. Sure they are. All these fuckers know how to do is lie.

 

[Overcast]

For now I guess, my plan is to keep working at my current job until the mandates (hopefully not) inevitably come and then, depending on how things go, I might just leave, but not without resisting for as long as I can. I have no intention of getting vaxxed whatsoever. The state governor here has made it illegal to force a vaccine mandate onto people and is challenging the recent OSHA requirement. But I'm not sure how long that will last.

Tad bit of power-leveling.

Spoiler

I dream of a world where I can raise a family and not fear anything happening to whatever kids I would have that isn't just a normal part of life. And the things that are happening right now, what our government is doing is threatening all of that. Even if we fail to stop whatever's coming, I want to keep going to the bitter end.

I suppose I'm grateful that I have loving and supportive parents to fall back on if necessary. I just wish I didn't feel this rift between my dad and I. I'm not sure how he feels about things now as we haven't talked about it in a while, but he was pretty pro-vaccine and insisted that I got vaxxed for a while. My biggest fear was having to move back in with them because I hate feeling like a burden on them. And I have no idea if I can find another job that doesn't require me to get vaxxed. Lately though, I feel less scared about that seeing as how it would be a result of events outside of my control than me fucking up to the point I have to move back home. And I know deep down my dad, despite being an opinionated asshole, (And I mean that in a good way. The men on his side of the family are just like that. And I'm proud to say I'm one as well for the most part.) he will never do anything to destroy our relationship.

I suppose I could see if I can't take up property management with him. He's very serious about it and so was my grandpa. Hell, it's the reason why I am where I am right now.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Fuck I hope we're wrong!

You're not the only one who wish that, the sad thing is there an article from the guys of Unz who think of the same thing as well.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I wonder if it would be recommended to take Pfizer's drug and molnupiravir at the same time to avoid resistance. There's no trials doing that, but who has that stopped before?

I feel like this whole roll-out was never about protecting the actually vulnerable and purely about stopping the evolution of resistant lineages, which considering there are now at least 3 and counting is too little too late.