The Eternals - marvel is trying it again this time less humor and hit music and more unnecessary love triangles

Random thought here - send those puzzle pieces my way, I deserve them on this one - do we think the Shill Cheques getting cut is Chapek trying to slowly phase Fiege out? Hear me out before you rate me Autistic - Bob Chapek is, historically, a Money Guy through and through. Meanwhile, people like Fiege and a certain Star Wars head are all about The Message. Only problem is, The Message tends to alienate people who’d otherwise give Disney Money. Could be the plan is to let them build up a series of Critical Flops to justify letting them go, and/or lowering the budgets these movies get.

That or Chapek realized it was cheaper to have some interns astroturf the Audience Scores. 50/50 odds.
 
Random thought here - send those puzzle pieces my way, I deserve them on this one - do we think the Shill Cheques getting cut is Chapek trying to slowly phase Fiege out? Hear me out before you rate me Autistic - Bob Chapek is, historically, a Money Guy through and through. Meanwhile, people like Fiege and a certain Star Wars head are all about The Message. Only problem is, The Message tends to alienate people who’d otherwise give Disney Money. Could be the plan is to let them build up a series of Critical Flops to justify letting them go, and/or lowering the budgets these movies get.

That or Chapek realized it was cheaper to have some interns astroturf the Audience Scores. 50/50 odds.
Kamran Pasha and the Midnight's Edge crew seem to think that this is the case. Mind you, Midnight's Edge is not as reputable as they used to be in the Ghostbusters 2016 days and they get this from Doomcuck of all people, so I'll take this with all the salt in the Red Sea.
 
Kamran Pasha and the Midnight's Edge crew seem to think that this is the case. Mind you, Midnight's Edge is not as reputable as they used to be in the Ghostbusters 2016 days and they get this from Doomcuck of all people, so I'll take this with all the salt in the Red Sea.
Huh - when’s the last time I watched a Midnight’s Edge video…

If it turns out to be true, I’ll be… alright with Disney ditching The Message and just making safe, by the numbers remakes for a while. Maybe trot out some old properties from The Vault - it’s easy stuff that’ll make easy money, and after the aggressive expansion under Iger, Chapek cutting costs to get Disney back in the black (especially after overpaying for Fox and Coof shutting down their biggest moneymakers) might be a mixed blessing. Though if nothing else, I expect the budgets for the MCU movies to start to shrink compared to what they’ve been.
 
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Kamran Pasha and the Midnight's Edge crew seem to think that this is the case. Mind you, Midnight's Edge is not as reputable as they used to be in the Ghostbusters 2016 days and they get this from Doomcuck of all people, so I'll take this with all the salt in the Red Sea.
The thing with Chapek, he's punted responsibility for who stays and goes to distribution and merch heads. Also I did find it weird even places like the daily mail were covering shit like indy 5 plot leaks.

I'd say something is up and part of it is Chapek deciding he's not going to stay on script as the fall guy. In that regard, I put more into what Kamran says than anyone else with Midnights edge.
 
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I liked when the leader Deviant showed up during the climax, acting like he was relevant to the plot at all by this point.
If you want something painful, there's a rumor that Blade's going to establish the MCU's vampires as being a result of the Deviants. Legitimate levels of credibility considering Blade's MCU debut actually is in this movie with his voice in the mid-credits.

I really don't get why people think of these movies as legitimate adaptations. It seems the changes coming to Ms. Marvel with the show giving her energy powers, and possibly making her a genie, is making some people notice though.
 
As for the characters I listed being mega-ultra epic, I think they definitely qualify. Silver Surfer is able to cross the universe on his own power, Dr. Strange regularly crosses dimensions and tangles with gods, and Thor IS a god himself.

Yes, but in the Marvel universe feats like that aren't even near the upper end of the power-scale, so I don't really know if they can qualify as "ultra-mega-epic". And Thor isn't exactly a god, but an Asgardian, which in Marvel universe are a race of humanoid beings from another dimension. His race has been worshipped as gods by some humans, but in truth they aren't even truly immortal, just extremely long-lived.
 
I liked when the leader Deviant showed up during the climax, acting like he was relevant to the plot at all by this point.

And then looked to be starting to go Hentai-light on Angelina Jolie.

Honestly, the deviants made little sense overall. Oh, I'm just going full spoilers here. I don't think anyone in this thread is going to care or that it will affect anyone's enjoyment. This thread is 90% just talking about wokeness and how crap it is. But heads-up for the one person who cares.

So yeah, the deviants. Near the start it's stated that they went for humans not eternals, and that the eternals just interposed themselves and it was odd that one specifically went after them rather than humans. But if their motivation turns out to be revenge against the eternals, why is this new? So much about them makes no sense. They're the celestial's first attempt at creating servants to shepherd the birth of new celestials. Okay, but they also appear to have no technology and even be pre-verbal as the lead one doesn't seem to have the ability to talk until having absorbed enough eternals to change him into something more like them. So how do they even get to a new planet? How is it that they show up out of nowhere? Salma Hayek and Angelina Jolie both recall fighting deviants in previous cycles and / or having been through many cycles. So if Earth is a later cycle it's not like the deviants could have been a first attempt for that planet. So how do they get there?

I liked Mr. Patel. The videographer who was filming the Bollywood Eternal. Honestly, those two are actually my favourite characters by some margin, though Angelina Jolie is very good with what she's given.

Sprite asks "why did Asheram (sp?) make me like this?" with the implication that she was doomed never to have a relationship with LaserFace because of it. Rather cruelly, I could interpret that as "I'm not very pretty" but the film was obviously intending it to be about her age. Thing is, if she were literally a child that would make sense but she looks around 17. So yeah, you wouldn't date a real life 17yo if you were in your late twenties. At least not in Western culture. But she's hardly unable or unready for adult things. Without trying to do the "but she's really 3,000 years old meme," in the context of a film she is an adult who has a late teenage body. If she and LaserFace were in love, it's not insurmountable.

The Deus Ex Machinae (very literally given what the Eternals turn out to be) is way too much for me. It basically goes:
Sersi: I can only transform non-living things.
Sersi: I just transformed a deviant which is a living thing (no explanation)
Sersi: I can now transform a celestial (little explanation, vague reference to eternals becoming part of a group mind with the celestial at the moment of its birth).


I mean movies these days are prone to "hero suddenly finds ability / strength at last moment due to great emotional need" but this was at whole other level.

Also, is it me or were the Eternals as a whole pretty weak? Obviously they are physically more robust than humans and don't age but they're pretty lacklustre. Sprite's powers are cool and impressive. Bollywood dude basically has built in guns/bombs. Thena is a skilled swordswoman. LaserFace is up there in that he seems to have the main Superman powers (damage resistant, strength, eye beams) but that's about it. Honestly I struggle to see how a handful of people with mostly low-tier powers could really protect humanity against the deviants that much.

Film should have started with the Bollywood production of the Eternals and done the entire thing through the lens of Kingo (I looked up Bollywood character's name). It starts with the Bollywood production and moves into him telling the story as they go. Could potentially have been a wild way to do a movie.
 
Yes, but in the Marvel universe feats like that aren't even near the upper end of the power-scale, so I don't really know if they can qualify as "ultra-mega-epic". And Thor isn't exactly a god, but an Asgardian, which in Marvel universe are a race of humanoid beings from another dimension. His race has been worshipped as gods by some humans, but in truth they aren't even truly immortal, just extremely long-lived.
This is a misconception you always see with Thor and other pantheon gods. They're very much a product of the Earth as established since Thor annual 10 from 1982. They are literally the gods of myth with no ambiguity to it and would not exist without mankind's belief bringing them into existence in the first place.

The MCU has them as long lived space aliens which might be were you got the idea from

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If you want something painful, there's a rumor that Blade's going to establish the MCU's vampires as being a result of the Deviants. Legitimate levels of credibility considering Blade's MCU debut actually is in this movie with his voice in the mid-credits.
I didn't stay for end credits and wasn't aware of that.

What they should do (but guarantee wont) in that case is make Angelina Jolie's character the head/original vampire. She's the only one of the Eternals that was sucked by the 'vampire' deviant yet actually survived. So you could spin it as her being infected with the deviant's DNA. And she has the immortality as well. (It's never clear that the deviants are immortal, although some survive in ice). I'd like that.
 
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Eternals' main problem, surprisingly enough, is how formulaic it is.
I find this funny because they were trying so hard to push this movie as something ~new~ and different from the rest of the series and like it's totally gonna win Oscars and shit. Though tbf it's still gonna get multiple nominations and probably win like cinematography or something.
 
If you want something painful, there's a rumor that Blade's going to establish the MCU's vampires as being a result of the Deviants. Legitimate levels of credibility considering Blade's MCU debut actually is in this movie with his voice in the mid-credits.

I really don't get why people think of these movies as legitimate adaptations. It seems the changes coming to Ms. Marvel with the show giving her energy powers, and possibly making her a genie, is making some people notice though.
Nobody CARES if they’re legitimate adaptations because 98% of the audience (probably more, honestly) will never pick up a comic book in their life. Apparently (I’ve never read a comic book so I wouldn’t know) it hasn’t been very faithful up to this point and it hasn’t hurt them, I don’t see why they’d start to change now.

The MCU isn’t like anime where its ultimate goal is to push people to read the manga, it just exists in its own little bubble and arbitrarily lifts some comic names for shitty fanservice. Like apparently the guy that Captain America fights on the bridge is actually a comics Cap villain named “Batroc the Leaper”? Except this literally doesn’t fucking matter because he’s in the movie for 5 minutes, never actually namedropped, and never shows up again after that.

Basically, my point is comics accuracy doesn’t mean shit when the vast, vast majority of the target audience has never and will never read a comic book.
 
Nobody CARES if they’re legitimate adaptations because 98% of the audience (probably more, honestly) will never pick up a comic book in their life. Apparently (I’ve never read a comic book so I wouldn’t know) it hasn’t been very faithful up to this point and it hasn’t hurt them, I don’t see why they’d start to change now.

The MCU isn’t like anime where its ultimate goal is to push people to read the manga, it just exists in its own little bubble and arbitrarily lifts some comic names for shitty fanservice. Like apparently the guy that Captain America fights on the bridge is actually a comics Cap villain named “Batroc the Leaper”? Except this literally doesn’t fucking matter because he’s in the movie for 5 minutes, never actually namedropped, and never shows up again after that.

Basically, my point is comics accuracy doesn’t mean shit when the vast, vast majority of the target audience has never and will never read a comic book.
I mean I complain about how fucked these things are all the time, it's a bad thing even from the point of view of not giving a shit and anyone in charge of them should be more worried if anything. If I don't know, Spider-Man, can be whatever the fuck you want him to be then any investment the company puts into it is absolutely worthless. Imagine if some asshat working for you spent millions on an IP to create original content you didn't need the IP for beyond brand recognition. Any investment the audience puts into it is worthless because the X-Men could be a movie about teaching Guatemalan children how to play baseball because who gives a damn, right? I'm sure you can find articles where people argue having to follow established ideas "limits creativity" when it's really an excuse for laziness.

Faithfulness is the most important part of an adaptation and you should be getting more people into the source material by not doing dumb shit like that. People not wanting standards to be raised and just accepting turning into worthless grey goo is how you get the current status of entertainment.
 
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Nobody CARES if they’re legitimate adaptations because 98% of the audience (probably more, honestly) will never pick up a comic book in their life. Apparently (I’ve never read a comic book so I wouldn’t know) it hasn’t been very faithful up to this point and it hasn’t hurt them, I don’t see why they’d start to change now.

Not only do they not care, when they inevitably ask someone or wiki the comics I tend to notice they get upset at the comics for being dumb.

One of my favorite things was people asking me to tell them stuff about comics, and I'd basically tell them all about the time Green Goblin got Gwen Stacey to cheat on Peter and have his kids, or the time Iron Man went evil and they had to bring Teenage Tony Stark to the future to stop him, the times the Punisher died and came back as an angel/Frankenstein and my favorite one of all being the time "Captain Marvels" son broke time and space raping her to conceive himself, and she ended up liking it and ran off with him.

Even most "Marvel fans" of my generation (90's kids) didn't read comics and got into it through the Spider-Man, X-Men, Iron Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider cartoons as well as video games, and only learned about comics stories after the fact.

I don't know if people just stopped caring or finally got sick of me raining on their parade, but after Infinity War came out everyone finally stopped asking me if the movies were like the comics.
 
I mean I complain about how fucked these things are all the time, it's a bad thing even from the point of view of not giving a shit and anyone in charge of them should be more worried if anything. If I don't know, Spider-Man, can be whatever the fuck you want him to be then any investment the company puts into it is absolutely worthless. Imagine if some asshat working for you spent millions on an IP to create original content you didn't need the IP for beyond brand recognition. Any investment the audience puts into it is worthless because the X-Men could be a movie about teaching Guatemalan children how to play baseball because who gives a damn, right? I'm sure you can find articles where people argue having to follow established ideas "limits creativity" when it's really an excuse for laziness.

Faithfulness is the most important part of an adaptation and you should be getting more people into the source material by not doing dumb shit like that.
You’d be right if their goal was to make an adaptation of the comics, and to funnel movie watchers to read comics.

Here’s the thing though, Marvel and WB don’t give a shit about comic books. They’re not trying to make adaptations, they could care less if anybody reads comic books at all. If they did care, they would try to sell comics in places that people actually go to, instead of relegating them to small dingy stores patronized exclusively by middle-aged white men.

These big corporations are just capitalizing on well-known characters who, at this point, exist in the public consciousness completely separate from their original source material. Like, everyone knows who Superman is, everyone knows is origin story and personality. But how many of those people could name you one single comics storyline starring him?
 
You’d be right if their goal was to make an adaptation of the comics, and to funnel movie watchers to read comics.

Here’s the thing though, Marvel and WB don’t give a shit about comic books. They’re not trying to make adaptations, they could care less if anybody reads comic books at all. If they did care, they would try to sell comics outside of small dingy specialty stores that most normies don’t even know exist.

These big corporations are just capitalizing on well-known characters who, at this point, exist in the public consciousness completely separate from their original source material. Like, everyone knows who Superman is, everyone knows is origin story and personality. But how many of those people could name you one single comics storyline starring him?
Reread what I wrote, that's a position that does not work in the long term and is completely asinine even from the point of view of soulless company. If a thing can be anything then it's completely worthless to spend millions on it.
 
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Reread what I wrote, that's a position that does not work in the long term and is completely asinine even from the point of view of soulless company. If a thing can be anything then it's completely worthless to spend millions on it.
Well that’s the other thing. You think Disney is planning the long term?

We’re talking about the same company that tanked literally the biggest franchise to ever come out of America, when putting in literally the basic amount of effort to shit out acceptable movies would’ve kept the billions coming in.

Disney does not CARE about long-term viability because they’re led by corporate drones who only care about maximizing profits NOW so that they can get theirs, long-term viability of the company be damned.

In case it’s not clear, I don’t actually disagree with anything you’re saying. I’m just saying that your priorities as a comics fan are antithetical to Disney’s prerogative for maximizing short-term profits.
 
Well that’s the other thing. You think Disney is planning the long term?

We’re talking about the same company that tanked literally the biggest franchise to ever come out of America, when putting in literally the basic amount of effort to shit out acceptable movies would’ve kept the billions coming in.

Disney does not CARE about long-term viability because they’re led by corporate drones who only care about maximizing profits NOW so that they can get theirs, long-term viability of the company be damned.
That's the funny part. We aren't even arguing at this point and you're indirectly agreeing with me. I just think people as a whole shouldn't accept "name-only" versions of things and anything that go that route are more damaging than anything. It's not even like the "Oh, it's fine, it's comics. Who gives a shit?" song and dance will really fly considering once that becomes worthless grey goo then it'll just be whatever's next with no end in sight.
 
Random thought here - send those puzzle pieces my way, I deserve them on this one - do we think the Shill Cheques getting cut is Chapek trying to slowly phase Fiege out? Hear me out before you rate me Autistic - Bob Chapek is, historically, a Money Guy through and through. Meanwhile, people like Fiege and a certain Star Wars head are all about The Message. Only problem is, The Message tends to alienate people who’d otherwise give Disney Money. Could be the plan is to let them build up a series of Critical Flops to justify letting them go, and/or lowering the budgets these movies get.

That or Chapek realized it was cheaper to have some interns astroturf the Audience Scores. 50/50 odds.
This will happen naturally anyway. Disney/Marvel isn't going to just stop all Marvel productions if The Eternals flops. They still are producting material with Star Wars despite the obvious diminishing marginal utility. But at some point, if the trend continues, they'll have to scale back on plans 5-10 years from now.

It's like how Square Enix idiodically thought they could make an entire universe out of Final Fantasy XV, only for them to realize that they were making net losses of tens of millions of dollars doing it and had to scale back on what they had to do.
 
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