Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

What do you think will happen?

  • Guilty on all charges

    Votes: 282 8.8%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 1,077 33.7%
  • Mistral

    Votes: 264 8.3%
  • Mixture of verdicts

    Votes: 479 15.0%
  • Minecraft

    Votes: 213 6.7%
  • Roblox

    Votes: 132 4.1%
  • Runescape

    Votes: 203 6.3%
  • Somehow Guilty Of Two Mutually Exclusive Actions

    Votes: 514 16.1%
  • KYLE WILL SUBMIT TO BBC

    Votes: 35 1.1%

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But no, if I came up to you and decked you, and you shot me, that would not be proportionate. Context matters.
in america, proportionality doesn't matter. if someone punches you in the head, you can shoot them in the head as retaliation
now if that person turned around and ran away, you cant shoot them, but if they don't or if they try to attack you again, you can shoot them.
does that clear it up for you?
edit: more context. in stand your ground states, they dont even have to have hit you yet.
if someone runs at you with, lets say a weapon. you can stand your ground and shoot them before they get to you.
 
in america, proportionality doesn't matter. if someone punches you in the head, you can shoot them in the head as retaliation
now if that person turned around and ran away, you cant shoot them, but if they don't or if they try to attack you again, you can shoot them.
does that clear it up for you?
edit: more context. in stand your ground states, they dont even have to have hit you yet.
if someone runs at you with, lets say a weapon. you can stand your ground and shoot them before they get to you.
In what jurisdiction is proportionality not required for self defense?
 
in america, proportionality doesn't matter. if someone punches you in the head, you can shoot them in the head as retaliation
now if that person turned around and ran away, you cant shoot them, but if they don't or if they try to attack you again, you can shoot them.
does that clear it up for you?
edit: more context. in stand your ground states, they dont even have to have hit you yet.
if someone runs at you with, lets say a weapon. you can stand your ground and shoot them before they get to you.
Well if thats the case, doesn't it make the case stronger for Kyle given the circumstances?
In what jurisdiction is proportionality not required for self defense?
It should, right?
 
It has to be great bodily harm, and self defense always depends in the "totality of the circumstances." That's why I said "in most cases."
The "totality of circumstances" is a huge angry mob that has committed countless crimes, including arson, assault, theft and jaywalking.

Kyle didn't know that Rosenbong was a literal psycho-kiddy-diddler, but what he did know was that the guy was extremely aggressive, confrontational and violent.
Rosenbong was not trying to give Kyle a wedgie. Rosenbong was not just trying to give him a slight slap on the arm. He was blatantly obviously and beyond the smallest shadow of a doubt in it to cause great bodily harm to Kyle. Everyone thereafter was literally screaming bloody murder and there is absolutely no doubt to anyone with half a brain (lol Rosenbong) that Kyle would have been lynched on the spot by an angry mob.

Had Kyle been some sort of mass shooter that literally opened fire on people for no other reason than bloodlust like the media paints him and the people were trying to stop him from committing more murders, they'd be justified in their actions, but he wasn't. He legally defended himself from an attacker, that was trying to -at the least!- cause him great physical harm. He was no threat to anyone thereafter. He was not aggressive towards anyone thereafter. He did not threaten anyone with his gun at any point. He did not open fire at anyone unless he had to defend himself.

People realized someone got shot and they made a stupid decision. Yeah, it's a shitty situation, but things escalated and at no point is Kyle (or anyone else in that situation for that matter) obligated to just go into fetal postion and allow the mob to punch them to death with skateboards. The people attacked Kyle and he defended himself. Full stop.

In what jurisdiction is proportionality not required for self defense?
Germany, for instance. And before anyone asks:
German self defense laws are essentially what clapistanis call "stand your ground" laws.
 
guys someone found what it seems to be Gaige Grosskreutz or Byecep's reddit account


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too late to send it to the defence team?

Edit: i think it's very likely to be him since he posted his CCW

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too late to send it to the defence team?
Too late for the Rittenhouse trial, yes. Too late for that civil action Lefty wants to do? No~
 
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too late to send it to the defence team?
Why would the defence team need that? They already butchered Mr. Byecep.
 
too late to send it to the defence team?
Defense hasn't rested yet, I suppose if they really wanted to drag things out for maximum lulz they could ask to recall Grosskreutz as their own hostile witness to confront him with this stuff, but are they likely to bother at this point? Might depend on how the testimony from his Facebook "only regret is I didn't kill him" buddy goes today.
 
Defense hasn't rested yet, I suppose if they really wanted to drag things out for maximum lulz they could ask to recall Grosskreutz as their own hostile witness to confront him with this stuff, but are they likely to bother at this point? Might depend on how the testimony from his Facebook "only regret is I didn't kill him" buddy goes today.
today, his roomate is gonna testify right?
 
It is possible to die from being punched in the head but not likely, and in practice using a gun against someone hitting you with their fists is not considered proportional in most cases.
I'd say it certainly is considered proportional in most cases. This is why the laws on self defense do not specifically indicate that your attacker needs to have a gun for you to use one.
 
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i still remember that moment where the roommate was subpoenaed in court. he was actually in the court, presumably supporting his friend and figured he had to bounce before they draw attention to him. that was amazing.
anyway, his roommate probably heard him coping and seething when he alerted him to the fact that he lost his 10 million dollar lawsuit.
 
In what jurisdiction IS proportionality even under consideration, legally, as in laid out in the statutes, for self defense?
Wisconsin
939.48  Self-defense and defense of others.
(1)  A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force [as opposed to deadly force] against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person. The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference. The actor may not intentionally use force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm unless the actor reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself
In actual cases, hitting with fists is not considered likely to cause "imminent death or great bodily harm" by juries.

The statutes don't use the word "proportional," but it's implicit. Different jurisdictions have different statutes so people usually use 4/5 "elements." one of which is proportionality, to cover all of them.
 
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too late to send it to the defence team?
What's more believable:

An autistic man accurately interpreting a social situation
Or
A self admitted communist not being a hypocritical, opportunistic and greedy asshole with a massive ego
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