Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Puff]

One thing the true and honest legal experts here pointed out is that the defense could observe the jury during that ordeal. If they saw the majority were utterly disinterested, their lack of re-direct probably served two purposes: We have no interest in a re-cross and let's just let the jury go get some well-needed rest since they're obviously very sleepy right now.

And it would allow prosecution to draw it out further. If they could get an expert overnight, they might get the pinch zoom in

 

[Leon Breitling]

I seriously cant believe the prosecution tried to turn the 5th amendment against Kyle when they already looked extremely questionable after being exposed coaching a witness.
This is some Phoenix Wright level ridiculous events, like the stuff you'd say "That would never happen in a real court" if you saw it in a film or one of those games.

I don't even know if I'd be able to suspend disbelief if I saw this shit on TV, honestly.

 

[Alba gu brath]

That's the defense's theory, and their counter has been to demand that a mistrial be declared with prejudice - meaning that the charges are dismissed and the state cannot try him again on these same charges.

Would be all the funnier, if the Proc wasn't trying that angle, but was just so utterly bad and flailing in their failing, that it was perhaps their only chance at a 'win', Judge seems to be on the side of reason so far, so could be a good day to be called kyle.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

The Republicans are closer to classical liberalism than the Democrat party in 2021 by a long shot.

I have no particular love for the GOP, but that's just an obvious truth.

Ultimately, it's what I would call the American Spirit: self-reliance, the opportunity to choose your own course in life, and the diffusion of power. The Democratic party has spent the last 70+ years riding on the claim that they are the true inheritors to that legacy, but that narrative has been slowly falling the fuck apart since its inception, and appears to have hit a critical mass in the last decade.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

The Republicans are closer to classical liberalism than the Democrat party in 2021 by a long shot.

I have no particular love for the GOP, but that's just an obvious truth.

As long as the evangelical sorts keep their mouths shut, I'm good.

 

[Matt Damon]

Ultimately, it's what I would call the American Spirit: self-reliance, the opportunity to choose your own course in life, and the diffusion of power. The Democratic party has spent the last 70+ years riding on the claim that they are the true inheritors to that legacy, but that narrative has been slowly falling the fuck apart since its inception, and appears to have hit a critical mass in the last decade.

Absolutely. The Republican party may be only giving lip service to the tenets of liberty at this point, but the Democratic party has gone full European-style soft-authoritarian nanny-statism.

 

[TheClappening]

One thing the true and honest legal experts here pointed out is that the defense could observe the jury during that ordeal. If they saw the majority were utterly disinterested, their lack of re-direct probably served two purposes: We have no interest in a re-cross and let's just let the jury go get some well-needed rest since they're obviously very sleepy right now.

And the last image they have is Binger being an utter faggot.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I wish that judge would have executive authority to charge the prosecution for this sham of a trial. You think all of this is just great writing, nope, it's reality.

You know, anyone can call/write the Bar Association in Wisconsin, the entity that licenses attorneys to practice law, to make a formal complaint Binger was badgering witnesses, suborning perjury and deliberately violating the constitutional rights of defendants despite an officer of the court, ie the judge, instructing him to refrain, not once or twice but several times.

If several people complain they have to investigate and I don't know about Wisconsin but in CA and NY such accusations are serious business. Very, very serious.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Actually, I looked up our boy Rosenbaum to fact check myself and he's a lot worse than I thought he was. Wow this guy was a piece of shit.

Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored

Joseph Rosenbaum & Anthony Huber Criminal Records Explored. We've decided to tell you the criminal records of the men shot in Kenosha shooting.

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To summarize
— Yes he had sexual contact with 5 kids, ages 9 to 11 years old. He had 11 actual charges though, including anal rape.
This was pled down to two counts. In 2002 he was sentenced to 10 years for sexual contact with a minor, then 2 years and 6 months additional. I don't think a little over a decade is adequate for molesting/anally raping 5 (or more, who knows) children, but that's just me.
In fact, here's a list of the actual criminal complaints for those interested:

Spoiler

— Hey, turns out he liked beating his girl just like Huber! He had open cases for battery and disorderly conduct, both related to domestic abuse.

— He had an open misdemeanor case for bail jumping.

— In 2016 he was convicted of tampering with a monitoring device.

— Back in 2002 he was sentenced to lifetime probation. It was requested that this be revoked due to consumption of alcohol and synthetic weed, and due to accessing sexual material the prob officer considered inappropriate, but I only see that it was requested. I guess they didn't, since, well, he obviously wasn't in prison. How? I legitimately have no idea.

— He had a two year old daughter, but I'm not sure if he was allowed contact.

PS: He isn't currently on the sex offender registry, but it was confirmed that it's because he's deceased and that he was on there previously.

Oh, and here's what he got up to in prison. Jesus, that's almost impressive:

Spoiler

I'd recommend clicking that link up at the top, it has a rundown of the 3 dudes. They're all fucking garbage, but actually lefty/Grosskreutz is (at least according to records) by far the least awful of the 3, and actually is not a felon; his only charge on record is misdemeanor wielding a firearm while drunk (hmm), although he had a charge for second offense drunk driving that was dismissed by prosecutorial motion just before the Rittenhouse case began.

But yeah, if anyone here was still even a little concerned that anything of value was lost, don't be.

 

[Gestalt Writhe]

TIL: https://www.officeholidays.com/holidays/usa/us-veterans-day-by-state

The only one it isn't!

Seems like a weird oversight, except the Governor recently found time to declare Indigenous Peoples Day a state holiday.

This dovetails nicely into the current events:
If naive young men volunteer to protect their community from an invading enemy force, the ruling class of the land of Wisconsin will go out of its way to honor the foreign savages while burying those who sacrificed on its behalf.

2020/2021 have been very revealing concerning the unassuming great lakes' backwater "battleground" states.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Binger in a nutshell

 

[TheClappening]

Shroeder w/ cookie catalogue is becoming one of my favorite memes.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

You know, something I don't like about this case, it reminds me of the situation with Boogie and that dipshit Frank Hassle crossing state lines to deliberately come onto his property even though he was specifically told that he'd get shot if he trespassed, and the ensuing argument about how Boogie could claim he was in fear for his life in order to be able to legally shoot Hassle; not whether or not he actually was, but just when he could pretend to be.

I despise the fact that we're at a point where violating people's property isn't grounds for the use of force and it took people stomping on some kid's head before the question of whether or not it was reasonable to even be on the table.

Like, look at the people Rittenhouse shot.
We're dealing with repeat felons, child rapists, burglars, wife beaters, looters, arsonists...they revel in being scum. They're animals who have nothing worth protecting, and don't care to.

On the other hand, other people have spent years working for what they have and building up things they care about so they can live a comfortable life, and they're, what, just supposed to sit by and watch everything they have go up in smoke? Even if the cops catch the perpetrators after damage is done, what the hell are they going to do, go after them for compensation? Toss them in prison for a year or two?
Those motherfuckers don't have money, they wouldn't give it if they did, and they don't care about going back to prison. Rosenbaum literally said he didn't, which I don't blame him when you can rape 5 kids.
When the only thing they have to fear, physical force, is off the table, this whole thing becomes a game where they can't lose.

I guess my point is that the fact there's this much of an issue over whether or not being assaulted is grounds for physical reprisal is a sign we're already off the path of reason by orders of magnitude.

We're rapidly approaching the point where people would rather take chances blowing someones head off from the bushes than hoping they'll not chimp out.

We had a few boomers pointing out this when there were riots in my town. Police tried to claim they were having trouble ID'ing the rioters because they weren't able to get boots on the ground and these guys pretty much threatened to go rooftop Korean, and we're talking about respected and wealthy people.

Honestly the problem are the fucking lawyers nowadays. Go back 50 years and you'll find a world where lawyers are struggling to perform in rape cases because of how easily it was to get in trouble for questioning a women's sexual purity, implying carnal relations, et cetera, because it could fuck up their mental state. Today you have a 30 year old man telling a 17 year old boy that he's a murderer because he shot a man pointing a gun at his head.

A lawyer can tell you that a man holding an AR 15 has nothing to fear from a man holding a .45 because of gun size. They can dance and do all this bullshit and you're forced to deal with them, because somehow these fucking idiots have managed to entangle themselves in the very fundamental nature of law. You aren't judged by peers anymore. You're judged by whoever's not smart enough to get out of jury duty. And these people are fucking exceptional.

 

[Titos]

You know, something I don't like about this case, it reminds me of the situation with Boogie and that dipshit Frank Hassle crossing state lines to deliberately come onto his property even though he was specifically told that he'd get shot if he trespassed, and the ensuing argument about how Boogie could claim he was in fear for his life in order to be able to legally shoot Hassle; not whether or not he actually was, but just when he could pretend to be.

I despise the fact that we're at a point where violating people's property isn't grounds for the use of force and it took people stomping on some kid's head before the question of whether or not it was reasonable to even be on the table.

Like, look at the people Rittenhouse shot.
We're dealing with repeat felons, child rapists, burglars, wife beaters, looters, arsonists...they revel in being scum. They're animals who have nothing worth protecting, and don't care to.

On the other hand, other people have spent years working for what they have and building up things they care about so they can live a comfortable life, and they're, what, just supposed to sit by and watch everything they have go up in smoke? Even if the cops catch the perpetrators after damage is done, what the hell are they going to do, go after them for compensation? Toss them in prison for a year or two?
Those motherfuckers don't have money, they wouldn't give it if they did, and they don't care about going back to prison. Rosenbaum literally said he didn't, which I don't blame him when you can rape 5 kids.
When the only thing they have to fear, physical force, is off the table, this whole thing becomes a game where they can't lose.

I guess my point is that the fact there's this much of an issue over whether or not being assaulted is grounds for physical reprisal is a sign we're already off the path of reason by orders of magnitude.

They should get rid of the sex offender registry and instead amend the rules so that if anyone kills you and you are a convicted pedophile whoever shot you is not to ever be brought before a jury. I only say get rid of the sex offender registry because dumb as fuck things can get you registered as a sex offender like if you pull off the freeway in the middle of nowhere to take a piss and a cop catches you then you can be registered. Have it be a pedo and rapist registry instead. They don't deserve rights, don't even send them to prison just let everyone know exactly what they've done assuming they've been convicted.

Pedobaum should have lived his entire life in fear knowing that anyone who knows who he is could cap his manlet ass and not worry about a single legal issue. Under such a system scum like Gertrude Baniszewski would have been in fear every moment of her waking pitiful excuse for a life. "People" like Rosenbaum don't deserve jail, they deserve fear, knowing that anyone could rightfully be woken up with someone standing over their bed and a knife to their throat. The same kind of thing that Japan does with their death penalty. Japan doesn't have a set execution date, they sentence you to death, you sit in a cell wondering if tomorrow is gonna be the day they hang you in public or not and it tears you apart with fear. It's what vermin like pedobaum deserve.

 

[Alter Ego]

Man, these social media interns. On second thought, Merriam-Webster is the same dictionary that instantly changed the definition of "sexual preference" to say that it's offensive the moment a Democratic politician said so in a ludicrous attack against a Supreme Court nominee, so this is probably also a purposeful action of the company rather than a rogue intern.

https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/1458517316077973507

Merriam-Webster on Twitter: "The term 'crocodile tears' (a superficia…

archived 11 Nov 2021 02:51:55 UTC

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[A_Callow_Youth]

Absolutely. The Republican party may be only giving lip service to the tenets of liberty at this point, but the Democratic party has gone full European-style soft-authoritarian nanny-statism.

Like I said over in the Virginia thread, the Republican establishment has no ideological motive, they defend the status quo for the reason that it is the status quo. It ultimately bottlenecks people like Trump that actually want to move in a direction, leaving the Democrats as the only body capable of driving the State. There's a severe disconnect between the halls of power and the ground level, and that needs to be resolved if red-blooded Americans want to keep winning long-term.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Yes. If only. Kyle would be 3 for 3 and this would be funnier.

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I got to admit, I like this /pol/ edit better.

Though I didn't screencap a great caption that went with it, "he took them out for their last shots".

 

[Some JERK]

You know, anyone can call/write the Bar Association in Wisconsin, the entity that licenses attorneys to practice law, to make a formal complaint Binger was badgering witnesses, suborning perjury and deliberately violating the constitutional rights of defendants despite an officer of the court, ie the judge, instructing him to refrain, not once or twice but several times.

If several people complain they have to investigate and I don't know about Wisconsin but in CA and NY such accusations are serious business. Very, very serious.

I'd imagine that people from the Wisconsin Bar Association saw all of that. I don't know if they have to wait for people to complain though.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

You want your son to grow up to play vigilante in a state he doesn't even live in? Fuck that kid's crocodile tears. He should have stayed his ass in Illinois where he belongs.

lol at you speds acting like he intentionally killed the chomo. He fucking pulled a Homer.

Friendly reminder that the State Patrol closed all of the exits off the I-94 into Kenosha that night because of the massive stream of Chicagoans streaming in to trash the place.

This little "crossing state lines" rule to prove malice narrowly only applies to Kyle, somehow. Not the rioting arsonists, apparently.

Funny note. Gaige Grosskreutz also came armed and from West Allis WI, over 40 miles away. Twice the distance Kyle traveled from Antioch IL.

 

[Drain Todger]

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Last I checked, horizontal is the position someone is usually in when they're fucking someone. By this logic, you'd be a criminal if you shot your rapist.

Also, what the hell is up with the prosecutor saying that Rosenbaum or whatever never said he was going to take Kyle's gun away? How is that even an argument?

Have you ever heard a suspect trying to disarm a police officer verbally announce that they're going for the gun? Of course not. Their verbiage will be some mixture of "cocksucker" and "motherfucker", not "dude, I'm gonna take your gun". Nobody says that.

KYLES CRYING ON STAND

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Goddamn, he's gonna walk, isn't he? The libs and the left are gonna fucking EXPLODE.

This was what I said to some of my 'tarded shitlib friends on Discord over a year go, when this actually happened. After reviewing the footage, it was clear to me right away that it was self-defense. Some folks from the EU, not versed in American law and having no comprehension of what qualifies as a lawful use of force by a private citizen, disagreed. Names changed to protect the guilty:

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Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

@Algerian I've seen the footage of what actually happened in Kenosha with the Kyle Rittenhouse shooting incident.

[3:45 AM]

All three of the guys who got shot are felons.

[3:50 AM]

The first one, Joseph D. Rosenbaum, a convicted sex offender and pedophile, pursued Kyle through a car dealership, throwing objects at him, taunting him and threatening him with bodily harm, heedless of the danger of pursuing a man armed with a rifle. Kyle wheeled and shot him in the head, and then immediately called 911 to bring an ambulance to the scene. The second one who was shot, Anthony Huber, a man with a rap sheet for domestic violence and false imprisonment, came up from behind and struck Kyle with a skateboard, and Kyle shot him. The third one, the guy who lost a chunk of his arm, Gaige Grosskreutz, a guy with a history of breaking and entering, who happened to be wearing a cap embroidered with PARAMEDIC, approached Kyle with his hands up, and then attempted to draw a pistol, committing an act of false surrender (a literal war crime). Kyle shot him and hit him in the arm.

All of this is extensively documented on tape, and the criminal histories of the "victims" are a known factor. All three of these were plausible cases of self-defense. The kid will walk.

[3:52 AM]

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Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

And I suppose noone reports on that because the Deep State hates that poor freedom fighter?


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

It was all caught on video. I mean, I won't show the footage here because it's gory, but that's how it went down, yes. All three of the guys who got shot were pursuing the 17-year-old shooter and assaulting him at the time.

[4:10 AM]

Well, I suppose I can show the ones that aren't gory.

[4:11 AM]

This was the first incident, in the car dealership. Kyle Rittenhouse is the guy running away.

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[4:12 AM]

Right as they passed between the parked vehicles, Kyle turned and shot his pursuer, Joseph Rosenbaum.

[4:13 AM]

New York Times footage. Someone behind him was shooting a pistol into the air. (edited)

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[4:18 AM]

Huffington Post posted this. This is the second incident. Kyle was attempting to retreat down the street, but he tripped and fell. Anthony Huber came from the side and tried striking him with a skateboard, and was shot. Gaige Grosskreutz, the second guy who got shot, attempted to draw a pistol after feigning surrender, which can't be seen from this angle.

[4:18 AM]

Teen Kyle Rittenhouse Accused Of Murdering Kenosha Protesters

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[4:18 AM]




Decelerator — 08/27/2020

Advanced technology is not necessarily synonymous with human rights, right? (edited)


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Somehow, when a teen moves to another State with an assault rifle to go deliberately in a place with trouble and end up shooting three people, I do not presume self-defence.

[4:20 AM]

Actually, the law is pretty clear that if you went looking for trouble, it's not self-defence.



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Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

In all three incidents, he was being pursued and assaulted immediately prior to the shooting. He was not pursuing others. This was caught on film.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Well, what was he doing there?


Algerian — 08/27/2020

sorry having a FELONY IN YOUR PAST IS NOT A DEATH SENTENCE


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Incidents that he seeked to provoke by going out of his way to move in a riot area with an assault rifle, even changing States to do so.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

"I just happened to be passing through and I was suddenly violently assaulted."

vs.

"I showed up under no official authority armed to engage people at a protest, and was attacked."


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Reminds me of the guy who disguised as national guard to beat up protesters.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

No, it shouldn't be a death sentence. However, it does change the optics of the situation quite a bit when you have a 17-year-old kid being pursued by three felons, one of them illegally armed in spite of prior felony convictions.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Not really.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Not at all.

[4:24 AM]

He showed up to shoot people, and just so happened to shoot shitty people.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

No it doesn't


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

If a death happens because of a situation you initiated, you bear responsibility for it, in the US.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Doesn't change the fact that he showed up to fucking shoot people.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

This is the shooter:

Algerian — 08/27/2020

the kid committed felony murder twice


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Yes, someone who moved tens of km to get to shoot protesters.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Doesn't invoke the sympathy you're hoping for.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

yes he's a stupid white boy thats not a licences to hunt humans


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

He's a murderer.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

It meets the legal definition of self-defense. In all three incidents, he was being pursued and assaulted.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

No it's doesn't


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Wrong.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

There's such a thing as provocation.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

felony murder is not self defence


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Self-defence doesn't apply when you created the situation, Drain.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

honestly who ever is supposed to be watching this headcase should likely have some legal culpability too (edited)


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

You are engaging in sophism and attempting to twist things around by declaring it "felony murder", when a 17-year-old kid shot three felons who were chasing him on foot, one of whom had a firearm despite not being legally allowed to own one.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

He started the situation.

[4:30 AM]

Therefore, this 17-yo murderer committed murder.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Completely irrelevant. Open carry is legal in Wisconsin.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

he broke laws killed people it's felony murder


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

He started the situation. That changes everything, Drain.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Drain Todger, shut the fuck up. You have prefaced your information with the fact that the people he shot were violent offenders, and therefore inferred that the conversation about the incident should be less "he shot three people" and more "he shot three violent criminals."


Algerian — 08/27/2020

again stupid white boy is not licenses to murder


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Being present with a rifle is not an invitation for people to pursue, attack, and assault someone.


Voice of Reason — 08/27/2020

Guys, please, chill.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Going in a riot in another State with a rifle, looking to kill, and then killing? Yep, it is starting the situation.

[4:33 AM]

Let me guess, Drain, KiwiFarms is saying he's a poor victim?


Algerian — 08/27/2020

why was he out after dark?


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Prove that he crossed state lines with a weapon with deliberate intent to kill.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

people he shot are dead


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

People who were pursuing him on foot as he was attempting to retreat, yes.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

He went to a riot area with a gun.

[4:34 AM]

He went to a riot area with a gun.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Irrelevant. Wisconsin is an open carry state.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

You might try the KiwiFarms argument here, it won't stick.


Voice of Reason — 08/27/2020

Uh, relevant really.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

{40.03  Felony murder. Whoever causes the death of another human being while committing or attempting to commit a crime specified in s. 940.19, 940.195, 940.20, 940.201, 940.203, 940.225 (1) or (2) (a), 940.30, 940.31, 943.02, 943.10 (2), 943.23 (1g), or 943.32 (2) may be imprisoned for not more than 15 years in excess of the maximum term of imprisonment provided by law for that crime or attempt.}


This is felony murder, he should not have had that gun he should not have been out past curfew, he was doing both those things when he killed who he says he did


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Going in a violent area with a gun and no actual cause to go there, it's looking for violence.


Voice of Reason — 08/27/2020

You don't expect riot areas to be safe, at least not as safe as normal areas.

[4:35 AM]

And he still went there, with a firearm.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Thank you, Algerian. Closed case.


Voice of Reason — 08/27/2020

That means he was either wanting to kill or pants-on-head stupid. (edited)


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

A Wisconsin court's recent ruling could affect defendants who claim self-defense when facing criminal charges. Call a Milwaukee defense lawyer to learn more.

www.grgblaw.com

Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

A Wisconsin court's recent ruling could affect defendants who claim self-defense when facing criminal charges. Call a Milwaukee defense lawyer to learn more.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

he's a fucking minor why was he out after dark without supervision with a rifle ?


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Self-defense is an affirmative defense that a person accused of a violent crime can bring, arguing that their use of force was justified because they were defending themselves. Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person. Importantly, some states impose a duty to retreat from a conflict, but Wisconsin is not among them. However, Wisconsin does allow juries to consider whether a defendant could have retreated in determining whether the use of deadly force was “necessary.”


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Not self defence when you start the situation, Drain.

[4:36 AM]

Too bad, doesn't work when you START the situation.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Stop being a patronizing ass, Frog.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

again whiteboy is not license to hunt people


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Stop being wrong, Drain


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Is it possible for you to not be a condescending dickhead for like two seconds in your whole life?


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

'The guard tried to shoot me when I was robbing the bank! It was self defence!'


Algerian — 08/27/2020

He is being a fucking saint right now


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

You are all so categorically wrong, you have no idea how wrong you are.

[4:39 AM]

What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings

Answers to questions like does Wisconsin have a stand-your-ground law and other relevant information on the fatal Kenosha shootings.

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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

17-year-old suspect in Kenosha shootings was too young to open carr...

Answers to questions like does Wisconsin have a stand-your-ground law and other relevant information on the fatal Kenosha shootings.


[4:39 AM]

Nik Clark, president and CEO of Wisconsin Carry, a gun rights advocacy group, who instructs classes for those obtaining concealed carry permits, thinks Rittenhouse followed the principles of such courses.


"We teach to retreat when possible," Clark said. "He's fleeing, but the threat follows him." He thought Rittenhouse showed resDraint in not immediately shooting one of the people he later shot in the elbow after the man first halted his approach to Rittenhouse and then lunged at him.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Lol

[4:39 AM]

Too bad, he STARTED the situation.

[4:39 AM]

Ergo, no self-defence.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Irrelevant. He was retreating, they pursued him. Ergo, self-defense.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Nope

[4:39 AM]

It doesn't work like that.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

he traveled to another state to find targets (edited)


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

^


Algerian — 08/27/2020

he has years of social media showing a less then grounded mental satate that supported a cops and robers mind set


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Putting yourself deliberately in a lethal violence situation for no reasonable cause after getting yourself equipped to kill people? That's not self defence.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

There isn't even a duty to retreat in Wisconsin. If you believe that someone is attempting to cause you severe bodily harm, you are legally entitled to shoot them.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Putting yourself deliberately in a lethal violence situation for no reasonable cause after getting yourself equipped to kill people? That's not self defence.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

and the people he killed were trying to defend themselves (edited)

[4:42 AM]

Killing people is bad@Drain Todger we shouldn't have to explain this to you


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

You have zero right to do vigilante justice, Drain.

[4:43 AM]

Going out to seek trouble and kill is called vigilantism.

[4:43 AM]

It's a crime.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Joseph Rosenbaum pursued Kyle Rittenhouse across a car lot while shouting profanity at him, threatening him, and throwing objects at him. Anthony Huber attempted to hit Kyle with a skateboard, and was shot. Gaige Grosskreutz drew a pistol and attempted to execute Kyle on the ground, and was also shot.


All three of the guys who were shot were shot for one reason only. They were pursuing and assaulting the shooter, who, up until that point, had not shown intent to harm anyone.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

the guy holding fire is likely the only reason this wasn't a massacre given how this department has handled itself


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

If I came to Seattle with a gun, insulted your family and acted in a way that caused you to assault me, then killed you, I'd go to jail.

[4:45 AM]

Putting yourself deliberately in a lethal violence situation for no reasonable cause after getting yourself equipped to kill people? That's not self defence.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

the active shooter was white and thus was okay to kill other people


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Bingo. KiwiFarms logic. (edited)


Algerian — 08/27/2020

why did they keep getting the way of his warning shots

?


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

c) A person who provokes an attack, whether by lawful or unlawful conduct, with intent to use such an attack as an excuse to cause death or great bodily harm to his or her assailant is not entitled to claim the privilege of self-defense.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Thank you.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Straight from Wisconsin State Law (edited)


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

You would have to prove that him being present with a rifle counts as a provocation.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

And that's what the courts are for.

[4:47 AM]

So let's leave it at that.

[4:47 AM]

And, again, shut up.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Kek, he just walked by tens of km away from his house with a rifle for no reason.

[4:47 AM]

Drain, stop defending murderers.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

Is there a curfew for juveniles?


Yes. City Ordinance 11.05 states "No minor person under eighteen (1 years of age shall be in any public place between the hours of 10:30 P.M. and 6:00 A.M., Sunday through Thursday, and 12:00 Midnight to 6:00 A.M." Sunday through Thursday, and 12:00 Midnight to 6:00 A.M., Friday and Saturday, unless such minor is accompanied by an adult person having legal custody of such minor, or unless such minor is in the performance of an errand or a duty directed by the adult having legal custody of such minor, or whose employment makes it necessary for such minor to be in such public place. Unless there exists a reasonable necessity therefore, no person having legal custody of such minor shall permit said minor in any public place during the hours specified in the above paragraph....


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

A misdemeanor, not a felony.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Algerian, calm thyself.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Drain, stop defending murderers.


The Most Liberal Man on Earth — 08/27/2020

Lose the caps, they're pointless.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

His mistake was getting separated from the others. That made the rioters think it was okay to pursue him.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Drain, stop defending murderers.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Frog, stop being a condescending ass.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

fucking caps lock sorry my hand keeps hitting it


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

I'm reminding you of the law, Drain.

[4:50 AM]

You are trying to find excuses for murder.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

I don't give a fuck about your opinion on American law.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Good thing then that we actually quoted the law.

[4:51 AM]

It's not opinion, it's fact.

[4:51 AM]

Stop using KiwiFarms as a source to justify murders.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

No, you engaged in sophistry by trying to characterize a teenage boy shooting three violent felons who were pursuing and assaulting him as he retreated as "murder".


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Drain, stop defending murderers.

[4:51 AM]

He started this shit.


Algerian — 08/27/2020

maybe understand you are backing fucking nazis


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

He is a murderer, and you're backing him.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

One of the guys pursuing him committed an act of false surrender, a literal war crime, by putting his hands up, and then drawing a pistol and attempting to shoot him while he was on the ground. A guy who should never have possessed a pistol in the first place, because he's a convicted felon.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Drain, stop defending murderers.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Frog, stop being a condescending ass.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

Drain, stop defending murderers.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Frog, stop being a condescending ass.


Annoying Frog — 08/27/2020

When you'll stop defending murderers and conspiracy theories, we'll listen to you.

[4:55 AM]

Right now, you're just a low-grade KiwiFarmer.


Drain Todger — 08/27/2020

Do you think that repeating yourself over and over again makes your point any more salient?

Honestly, this is just fucking golden. This was actually the sort of shit these numbskulls believed, and a whole year later, I get to rub it in their faces.

The prosecution stepped on their own dick a million times, and even their star witness, Grosskreutz, basically admitted that Kyle engaged in self-defense after Grosskreutz mistakenly identified him as an active shooter.



Blown. The Fuck. Out.