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[Meat Target]

How bad are those images for Kyle? Will the prosecution try to allude to them in their closing statement?

I'm sure they'll try to hammer on them, but whether the jury will buy it remains to be seen. Plus, the defense should openly mock it. "This is the state's knockout proof that Kyle is a murderer? A grainy image you have to squint at to even know what you're looking at?

If you think it's a stretch, the jury probably does, too.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

I view it like this:
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Particularly true.

And I could swear that I have responded to this post, with very similar phrasing, a long while ago...some case of deja vu.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

I also like how the picture appears to show Kyle in a trap shooting stance. Was what's his name flying through the air when Kyle pointed it at him? Do we hear him yell "Pull!" at any point?

Trap shooting stance? My God Kyle has been gunning down trans people as well?

 

[benutz]

I've started unironically using Bing and gotten better results. It's not even just that Google is more woke now, it's actively getting shittier in general.

Seeing as we've got a little downtime here...

Spoiler: Search engine sperging

There's a thread on KF about why google sucks balls and alternatives to it.

It actually used to be that the alternatives to it were no alternative at all, but Google has gotten so bad some of them are actually better. And yes, Bing is one of them

I've 'worked' in search for a long time and I've seen upstarts come and go. I won't post more on that here coz I'm already derailing. But there was one company that gave really visual results with pointers to servers and arrows and shit and it was really quite accurate. The search methodology they used was not that far away from Googles, but it was all original code. They got bought out by Google and never heard from again.

It was probably the greatest threat to Google that I have seen. But it couldn't be allowed to exist because the results were too raw, too accurate. There was no option for political bias or propaganda - it just showed a virtual map of the servers and what country and city they were located in. But more than that, how they all referred to each other, with even more arrows and shieet. It was amazing. Dead now though. Another company bought out by big money and burned to the ground.

It's not only Microsoft (Bing) that embraces the Embrace, extend, extinguish philosophy of snuffing out your competitors. Google are the main players of that game.

Embrace, extend, extinguish: How Google crushed and abandoned the RSS industry | ZDNet

Most of the commentary I've read so far about the loss of Google Reader has been about its use as an RSS client. But that's a red herring. The real victims were companies that had planned in 2005 and 2006 to build RSS sync engines. Google stomped them out of business like Godzilla sweeping...

www.zdnet.com

That article above has nothing to do with the search company I was talking about who were French iirc. But I searched for them the other day and found an old graphic of their search results. I could find it again if anyone's interested, but I'll post it in the search thread. It was a different paradigm but worked just as well (ok, nearly as well) as Google.

 

[ZehnBoat]

>"KKKyle is a white supremacist!"
>*Everyone Kyle shot was white.*

white supremacy = kill whites + tolerate blacks


wait, who does that sound like?

 

[No Face]

I couldn't even see the supposed evidence by looking at it fullscreen from a foot away. Theres no way the jury will be able to make anything out from across the room.

I don't think it will poison the well for them even if they do see it.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

>"KKKyle is a white supremacist!"
>*Everyone Kyle shot was white.*

If black people and hispanics can be honorary white supremacists then some white people can be honorary anti-racist blacks as well. Guess we know why nobody on the leftsphere has an issue with Rosenbaum punctuating every other sentence with 'nigga', he has a pass.

 

[Evilronald]

Depend

I'm of the opinion that if I'm ever on a jury I'll hide my powerlevel (short of lying) and always ALWAYS aquit.

Frame averaging wasn't discussed until he was actually on the stand in front of jury. I'm of the opinion it was intentionally omitted during the hearing to get him in.
I started yelling at my computer when he said it. They're literally applying filters until it shows what they want, and not even doing that right.

I think it depends on the situation, some people legit need to be in jail if there’s sufficient evidence. People forget that for alot of crimes there’s a person who was the victim of that crime. Victimless crimes I would almost always acquit on.

 

[Zetton285]

Frankly I think the prosecution has fucked up so hard (manipulating written statements, commenting on 5th amendment rights, bringing shit into the court, commenting on someone getting a lawyer) if the Jury lets a blurry picture negate all of that then they weren't going to rule in favor of Kyle anyway

 

[Matt Damon]

I couldn't even see the supposed evidence by looking at it fullscreen from a foot away. Theres no way the jury will be able to make anything out from across the room.

I don't think it will poison the well for them even if they do see it.

I'd be honestly insulted as a jurist if the prosecution represented this to me as critical evidence in a homicide trial.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

You'd be surprised how many morons that are, right this minute, screaming for Kyle to be executed, think that he executed 3-5 black men in a shooting rampage.

These people are the epitome of low information.

 

[Garm]

This is their evidence. This is the blur in question.

A man is either carrying a cobra or a giant Zat gun from SG-1. Both of which raises more questions than it answers.

 

[Puff]

Quick overview to get my thoughts straight.
If Barnes is accurate (and we have no contradicting facts, so we'll go with what we have) the jury is likely random or near with the area breaking down on 33% always guilty 33% guilty but swayable 33% hard not guilty.
If even one of the last guys got through jury selection we have a mistrial at least on jury verdict.
Always guilty non-activists (willing to lie to get on the jury) will have been weeded out. I'm gonna guess half of the hard not's are activists, so they could get on the jury by lying or omission.
Hard not-guiltys are not banned by the questioning directly (would you be willing to presume innocence question) but were heavily picked off with indirect questions. Assuming the same amount of them being willing to lie plus some having a shot at sneaking through will give them the advantage.
So I'm going to assume, with my inexpert, back-of-napkin scenario we're looking at a jury coming in with a composition of
4/5/3 (Hard not guilty/soft guilty/hard guilty)

Removed spergery on jury thoughts
tl;dr: All of the undecideds, besides maybe one go NG, G's remain entering into deliberations, notwithstanding intimidation. 8/1/3
Jury indimidation will not work on some of the NG
Good boys in the middle likely to not watch news, G's will and it won't matter, NG's will and it won't matter (they may bring some spicy sidebars into jury deliberations)

Even if you play with the numbers it comes down to a war of attrition between the hard guilties and not guilties. I can't see a good way to have kept all of either category off, but it's probably more likely to have no hard guilties than hard not's. It's really individual personalities. If one of the hard not's has a son, we're probably at acquittal or mistrial if a guilty holds on long enough.


And you can't even rate me autistic anymore.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I'm sure they'll try to hammer on them, but whether the jury will buy it remains to be seen. Plus, the defense should openly mock it. "This is the state's knockout proof that Kyle is a murderer? A grainy image you have to squint at to even know what you're looking at?

If you think it's a stretch, the jury probably does, too.

It's not meant to convince anyone truly on the fence. It's for those who went into this trial with the religious conviction that Kyle is guilty no matter what proof is shown to them, a pathetic cover for them to seize upon and feel vindicated. Only can only hope nobody like that actually made it onto the jury.

 

[Grandpa Simpson]

Facebook and Twitter working overtime for the media.

 

[LUNEKO]

I couldn't even see the supposed evidence by looking at it fullscreen from a foot away. Theres no way the jury will be able to make anything out from across the room.

I don't think it will poison the well for them even if they do see it.

What the prosecution just tried to pull was a Rorschach test, having a very vague image and saying
"WE CAN CLEARLY SEE KYLE HOLDING HIS AR-1500 SUPER DEADLY ELEPHANT KILLING MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT RIFLE AT A CROWD OF PEACEFUL PROTESTORS which we conveniently cut out of the picture CLEARLY PROVOKING THEM TO ATTACK AND THUS NOT SELF DEFENSE"
Trying to fool the jury as they can't figure out anything beyond a blurry black stick figure, is up to the individual jury member if they believe this or not

 

[Matt Damon]

A man is either carrying a cobra or a giant Zat gun from SG-1. Both of which raises more questions than it answers.

I can't get over the striking resemblance to Alfred Hitchcock.

 

[Meat Target]

Frankly I think the prosecution has fucked up so hard (manipulating written statements, commenting on 5th amendment rights, bringing shit into the court, commenting on someone getting a lawyer) if the Jury lets a blurry picture negate all of that then they weren't going to rule in favor of Kyle anyway

I'd be honestly insulted as a jurist if the prosecution represented this to me as critical evidence in a homicide trial.

Binger will use closing arguments as his time to backdoor testify, and it will be sheer agony.

 

[DelusionTree]

I couldn't even see the supposed evidence by looking at it fullscreen from a foot away. Theres no way the jury will be able to make anything out from across the room.

I don't think it will poison the well for them even if they do see it.

Frankly I think the prosecution has fucked up so hard (manipulating written statements, commenting on 5th amendment rights, bringing shit into the court, commenting on someone getting a lawyer) if the Jury lets a blurry picture negate all of that then they weren't going to rule in favor of Kyle anyway

Binger wants a hung jury or mistrial without prejudice so he can come back with a different judge who will let him add associations to Proud Boys and the drug store video he originally wanted to, playing up the racist terrorist mass shooting angle to conviction.
The guy knows he probably won't convince enough people on the jury right now for a full conviction.

 

[HumanHive]

Frankly I think the prosecution has fucked up so hard (manipulating written statements, commenting on 5th amendment rights, bringing shit into the court, commenting on someone getting a lawyer) if the Jury lets a blurry picture negate all of that then they weren't going to rule in favor of Kyle anyway

It's gonna be appeals city if convicted.