Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[SCSI]

OK, sorry to PL so much in a thread I haven't posted or contributed to in months, but at the risk of being thread muted I'd like my fellow kiwi's opinion on my religious exemption statement.

Spoiler: My little screed

God has accorded man free will, thus it is every man’s duty to act in a moral and just manner. Through my personal communion with Christ I have established a moral and ethical code that if violated while still in full capacity of my conscience would constitute a sin. While I practice my sincere faith independently I was raised Catholic, and thus much of my moral and ethical precepts derive their origin from the ethical and moral teachings of the catholic faith. Provided below is a statement made by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Catholic Faith made in december of 2020(Any statements made by such board after or before said date do not inherently conform to my own personal divinely inspired moral and ethical code, I simply quote them for the sake of brevity.).

“Practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary.”

As stated above, IT MUST BE VOLUNTARY. I cannot comply with or support any attempts to compel(including monetary penalties, or termination) myself or others to take the covid 19 vaccination(or any other medical procedure), doing so would be an ethical and moral violation of my personally held religious creed.

Required preamble -- I am not your lawyer, and this post doesn't create an attorney-client relationship between you and I. The contents of this post are merely legal information and do not constitute legal advice. If you require actual legal advice, this is the one and only piece I can legally give you -- consult an attorney licensed to practice in your own jurisdiction, wherever that is.

Here's some links and a PDF you might find useful, assuming you're in the USA.

First, here's the EEOC's own guidelines on religious rights in the workplace, which is handy because it covers some key points in determining what is rises to the level of a legally-protected religious belief. I recommend paying special attention to the notes on "sincerely held" vs truth/falsity of belief (and the limits on inquiries to determine if your belief is sincere or not), as that is a frequent point of contention.

It also has some notes aimed at EEOC investigators that provide guidance on figuring this stuff out, and a handy list of examples of protected and unprotected beliefs.

Especially useful definition extract below, I color highlighted some especially important points.

A. Definitions​

Overview: Religion is very broadly defined for purposes of Title VII. The presence of a deity or deities is not necessary for a religion to receive protection under Title VII. Religious beliefs can include unique beliefs held by a few or even one individual; however, mere personal preferences are not religious beliefs. Individuals who do not practice any religion are also protected from discrimination on the basis of religion or lack thereof. Title VII requires employers to accommodate religious beliefs, practices and observances if the beliefs are “sincerely held” and the reasonable accommodation poses no undue hardship on the employer.

1. Religion​

Title VII defines “religion” to include “all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief,” not just practices that are mandated or prohibited by a tenet of the individual’s faith.[18] Religion includes not only traditional, organized religions such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others.[19] Further, a person’s religious beliefs “need not be confined in either source or content to traditional or parochial concepts of religion.”[20] A belief is “religious” for Title VII purposes if it is “religious” in the person’s “own scheme of things,” i.e., it is a “sincere and meaningful” belief that “occupies a place in the life of its possessor parallel to that filled by . . . God.”[21] The Supreme Court has made it clear that it is not a court’s role to determine the reasonableness of an individual’s religious beliefs, and that “religious beliefs need not be acceptable, logical, consistent, or comprehensible to others in order to merit First Amendment protection.”[22] An employee’s belief, observance, or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief, observance, or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it.[23]

Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.”[24] Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious,[25] beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.”[26]

Courts have looked for certain features to determine if an individual’s beliefs can be considered religious. As one court explained: “‘First, a religion addresses fundamental and ultimate questions having to do with deep and imponderable matters. Second, a religion is comprehensive in nature; it consists of a belief-system as opposed to an isolated teaching. Third, a religion often can be recognized by the presence of certain formal and external signs.’”[27]

Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not religious beliefs protected by Title VII.[28] However, overlap between a religious and political view does not place it outside the scope of Title VII’s religion protections, as long as that view is part of a comprehensive religious belief system and is not simply an “isolated teaching.”[29] Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, and refraining from certain activities. Determining whether a practice is religious turns not on the nature of the activity, but on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons.[30] Whether the practice is religious is therefore a situational, case-by-case inquiry, focusing not on what the activity is but on whether the employee’s participation in the activity is pursuant to a religious belief.[31] For example, one employee might observe certain dietary restrictions for religious reasons while another employee adheres to the very same dietary restrictions but for secular (e.g., health or environmental) reasons.[32] In that instance, the same practice in one case might be subject to reasonable accommodation under Title VII because an employee engages in the practice for religious reasons, and in another case might not be subject to reasonable accommodation because the practice is engaged in for secular reasons.[33] However, EEOC and courts must exercise a “light touch” in making this determination.[34]

I also snagged a religious rights PDF off the ACLU's webpage. It's aimed at the context of rights in prison, but it covers a lot of the core concepts in a clear, non-lawyer friendly way, and also includes a good number of citations to relevant cases that can help point you in the right direction for further research.

And for good measure, here's a link to MTSU's online "First Amendment Encyclopedia" and their topic section specifically on medical treatments vs religious beliefs that might help you. You're going to notice the Jehova's Witnesses and the Christian Scientists turn up a lot in this area of discussion, but they're not the only ones who've successfully gotten exemptions. The Amish do as well, but case law revolving around them is less likely to be useful to you as a key factor in why they get so many exemptions from so many things is because of their longstanding refusal to draw social services. Gross oversimplification, but basically, they don't take from the system, so they get let off the hook on some obligations to the system.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

You haven't had it yet i can tell

Vitamin d doesn't do shit i live in florida and gets lots of sunlight. It flattens your ass for a month regardless of what you do. Nothing fucking works its like a horrible hangover...not like a flu..you have a headache, your judgement is impairment...your skin crawls.. Thats how i know its man-made because the way you feel doesnt make any sense compared to any other illness. You can't taste or smell or shit...even your spiciest peppers dont do anything and you feel like you are carrying someone on your back all the time. It doesn't feel like the flu or cold or anything...its just unique and you will know when you have it 100% because the symptoms dont add up

Its pure hell. No im not taking the jab but its still sucks. The second time wasn't as bad which is encouraging.

but I dont want it a third time. This shit is literally just SARS lite

How fat are you?

I'm immunocompromised and I had a mild cough and a bit of lingerig chest tightness for a couple of weeks, without exaggeration I've had worse bouts of hayfever.

 

[Protistology]

Isn't there a large Jewish Orthodox population in Israel? Aren't they against the Vaccines? Looking at Israel' vaccination numbers now they are stuck at just over 60%.

That's post third dose. They were 80% with the second dose. As for the Orthodox: פקוח נפש

 

[Ultima Ratio Regum]

Greetings.

Some more very-surprising news.

We already know from Italian numbers that the people who "died from COVID" were suffering from at least one other pathology in more than 97% of cases.

Here's what comes now from France:

"In 2020, only 2% of hospital admissions were related to #Covid [...] 5% in ICU. The impression was given that wards were full of #covid patients and in fact they were not. [...] The fear was disproportionate."

https://twitter.com/herstalle/status/1458727704229027840

Here's a media reaction:

In 2020, did Covid-19 represent only 2% of hospital admissions in France?

From the outset, the Covid-19 epidemic was a challenge for health care personnel, who were confronted with several waves of contamination. If the white coats were under strain for many months, is the singular nature of this situation reflected in the data on hospital activity? Not necessarily, according to public health consultant Martin Blachier. In fact, only 2% of the hospitalisations recorded in 2020 would be attributable to the virus.

In addition to the 2% mentioned above, Martin Blachier also noted that in 2020, Covid patients accounted for 5% of all patients managed by critical care services. These figures do not come out of nowhere, as they are taken from the annual analyses of hospital activity carried out by the Agence technique de l'information sur l'hospitalisation (ATIH). The latter describes itself as 'a public administrative institution under the supervision of the ministers of health, social affairs and social security'. It collects and analyses health data and has just published a summary on "Covid-19 hospital care in 2020".

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And now comes the "debunk":

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First of all, before providing any analysis of the figures, it should be remembered that the epidemic only really took off in France in mid-March 2020. As of 15 March, only 285 people were being cared for in an intensive care unit, compared to 7,000 at the peak of the first wave. Similarly, it should be noted that the summer (July and August) was fairly calm, with a notable decline in the epidemic following containment. For a little over 4 months, more than a third of the year, hospitals were not confronted with a massive influx of patients.

Another aspect to highlight is the length of stays due to Covid. From two weeks on average to more than three, depending on the severity of the cases and the departments to which the patients were admitted. Longer stays than those usually observed for influenza, notes the ATIH report. It should also be added that 'one day of hospitalisation in the intensive care unit out of five' was last year 'devoted to the management of Covid'. And that the deaths associated with the epidemic are cause for concern: while the virus affected 2% of hospital admissions, it was responsible for 12% of deaths in hospitals and 16% of those in intensive care units.

Measuring the number of hospitalisations related to the virus in relation to the overall activity of hospitals also has some limitations. During the peaks of the health crisis, the greatest tensions were observed in critical care and intensive care units. Unlike patients admitted for minor fractures, superficial burns or routine operations, the treatment of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 required heavy human and material resources. It is no coincidence that one of the most closely monitored indicators in the first two waves was the occupancy rate of resuscitation beds.

En 2020, le Covid-19 n'a-t-il représenté que 2% des hospitalisations …

archived 12 Nov 2021 10:40:49 UTC

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It's pure cope.
Even during the periods when there was talk of hospitals being "saturated", when even the morgues were supposed to be overflowing, people were clearly able to go and see that this was not the case. Many filmed it, even if they were quickly chased away if someone noticed them. I had first-hand accounts from nurses on COVID duty who attested that this was not the case. But why not keep lying when it works so well? Even now, with more than 80% jabbed, they keep selling us this narrative (with now the "vaccinated" being hospitalised too).

Here's another juicy article about what is called here the "long Covid".

Long Covid" symptoms not necessarily linked to SARS-CoV-2 infection

A study conducted on the largest French epidemiological cohort suggests that, from a statistical point of view, being convinced of having had Covid-19 is more associated with "long Covid" type symptoms than actually having contracted the disease.

Chronic fatigue, shortness of breath, chest, muscle or joint pain, immediate memory or concentration problems, headaches, anxiety... More than a month after contracting Covid-19, some people continue to experience a variety of persistent, sometimes very disabling symptoms. A new terminology, "Covid long", coined by patients, has gradually emerged to describe this new disease entity. But is it really due to infection by the new coronavirus?

An explosive and meticulous epidemiological study, published on Monday 8 November by the journal JAMA Internal Medicine, questions the possibility of such a causal link. It does not invalidate the fact that some people may suffer from a post-infectious syndrome but suggests that, from a statistical point of view, it is the belief that one has been infected with SARS-CoV-2 that is linked to the symptoms of the "long Covid", more than the fact that one has actually been infected.

In a context where many patients suffering from "long Covid" feel that they are not taken seriously by the medical community, this work fuels a lively debate. We must be careful: our results in no way say that the disorders reported by the patients are imaginary or necessarily psychosomatic," warns Cédric Lemogne (AP-HP, Inserm, University of Paris), head of the adult psychiatry department at the Hôtel-Dieu hospital, and coordinator of the study. Our analysis is limited to suggesting that the presence of prolonged symptoms is not specifically associated with having been infected with the new coronavirus, not that these symptoms do not exist. Since these patients are experiencing them, these symptoms exist by definition.

Les manifestations du « Covid long » ne sont pas forcément liées à l’…

archived 11 Nov 2021 19:30:07 UTC

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The patients are mainly attention-deprived, depressed or even suicidal, who have found in this "long Covid" scam a way to receive additional support.

And I am not talking about hypochondriacs.

In short, everything that many have been saying or observing is slowly being admitted, now that most of the cattle in stuck in the "vaccination" trap, forced to get new shots every six months or so.

Congrats.

 

[CashMoney!]

The question that has been bugging me for more than a year now: WHERE THE HELL ARE THE LAWYERS? Sure, there have been cases filed, but they are few and far between. These lockdowns (and the discrimination inherent in the "vaccine passports," and now the age discrimination inherent in the "lose your passport if you're over 65 and haven't gotten the subscription plan" rules) are obviously not the most SEVERE human rights violations in recent history (Pol Pot, Stalin, and the Austrian painter remain on the podium for that one), but they are certainly the most widespread. There has been litigation in the USA against the vaccine mandates (thank you, Daily Wire), but here? Crickets.

Spoiler

My kids cannot reach adulthood fast enough for me to move away from Western Europe, keep in touch with them by Zoom, and send moneys. Assuming this bullshit will never end (which is what I am beginning to believe), the only question is where in the world is there to go?

New Zealand's supreme court just ruled that "no jab, no job" did not violate the bill of human rights.

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

For some reason I can't reply to the excellent post by Ultima Ratio Regum but I must disagree on only one thing: the news from France isn't surprising.

Spoiler: ANECDATA AHEAD

I live in a neighborhood that is filled to the brim with health-care workers, primarily doctors and nurses. Both my next-door neighbors are doctors, and one of them is an ICU doctor. We are friends, although not BFFs. You would think that she would have been run ragged the past year and a half, or at least during the first six months of 2020, right? You would be wrong. She is not coming and going at any hours different than she ever did before this all started. She doesn't look tired (well, any more tired than usual). She still goes to every neighborhood party (even when they were illegally large and going illegally late at night) and if anything, she's MORE kissy-kissy ("bisous!") than everyone else. I've NEVER seen this chick in a mask. She is HOSTING the neighborhood Christmas party this year and there have been no questions about single, double, or triple vaccinations among the guests. Hell, even during the first lockdown when everybody was more understandably frightened, she was bringing her kids over to my house, with not a single person masked or standing far apart.

In addition, I have had not one, but two elective surgeries (okay, they were cosmetic, fuck you) since March 2020. First of all, if the hospitals were overflowing, do you think they would have been scheduling nosejobs? Second, both times, the hospital was EMPTY. No patients in neighboring rooms. Nobody walking up and down the hallways. The place was a ghost town. And these were 2 different hospitals.

This whole experience has just contributed to the overall "We're being gaslit" sense of weird impending doom in my (metaphorical) peripheral vision. That feeling that so many people here, in so many ways, have described of seeing a world on the teevee and the Internet that is 180 degrees different than the world they are seeing around them with their own (apparently lying, amirite?) eyes.

Sorry for the extended PL, I'll be reining that in in the future.

What is depressing is that even if this information isn't DEBOONKED, no1curr in our increasingly dictatorial government. I expect an Austrian-style targeted lockdown (targeting the plague rats, natch) by Christmas.

 

[BluntyBitch]

I saw this on AskAManager.

Pretty sure folks will FLOCK to a company that ignores mask mandates and vax passports and respects vax privacy .

do managers need to foster team relationships, company doesn't want remote managers, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go… 1. Do I need to foster relationship-building on my team? I manage two lovely people. We are all fully

www.askamanager.org

(((Alison))) is pretty based liberal so her answer doesn't really surprise me.

(I'm thinking about a PG for advice columns and columnists cows, if enuf folks are interested...)

 

[Meriasek]

Narrative escalation: "It's Five Minutes AFTER Midnight!!!"
NPCs and Branch Covidians are whipping themselves into a frenzy over rising numbers. Of course, it's all because our vaccination quota is too low, and because we're too slow to give people their third shots. They're BEGGING for the government to polish up the boots, lock down everything, and put the unvaccinated into camps.
I usually just laugh at these people and how scared they are, but I also see too many people who have conditioned their little children to be Branch Covidians as well. That just makes me sad. Not that these kids ever had a chance, with such parents they'd have one madness or the other injected into them. Branch Covidianism is just more obvious.
A friend of mine had his third shot yesterday. Not sure why, he's 30 and healthy, as far as I know. Maybe work related. Hope he won't turn out to have an underlying and undiagnosed heart condition in the near future.

/edit:
Oh btw., after seeing another article trying to make people afraid of catching the Coof and going to the ICU by describing all the nasty medications to allow intubation, why DO you get intubated anyway? I mean, the lungs can inflate on their own, can they? What's the point of forcing air and oxygen in, that was never the problem, wasn't it? If the lungs are fucked, pressurizing the lungs with pure oxygen doesn't do shit, the lungs just won't absorb it. Why go through such lengths to sedate people and ram tubes in their throats? Is it just to keep them quiet and scare people?
I recently read of a nurse reporting about a 100 kg, 1.90 m guy who was with the Coof in the ICU, and he was wild and kept everyone, the entire staff, busy for like six hours before they could sedate him, fly him out, and have him intubated. I mean... What? So this guy is fit enough to fuck up the entire night staff of the hospital for SIX HOURS, and somehow police is never involved, and yet he then immediately gets intubated? I'm pressing 'x' to doubt on the whole story, of course, because nurses are self-important dumb whores who like to lie about their heroics, but if that really happened like that, didn't they just straight up murder that guy by intubating him without it being necessary?
If I somehow catch the Coof and have to get into the ICU, I will definitely make sure the staff knows that I do not consent to being intubated, and that I'm vaccinated, which will hopefully get me some good will from their side.
Heh. Maybe that's how the vaccine protects people from getting on the ventilator.

 

[Blake Chortles]

OK, sorry to PL so much in a thread I haven't posted or contributed to in months, but at the risk of being thread muted I'd like my fellow kiwi's opinion on my religious exemption statement.

Spoiler: My little screed

God has accorded man free will, thus it is every man’s duty to act in a moral and just manner. Through my personal communion with Christ I have established a moral and ethical code that if violated while still in full capacity of my conscience would constitute a sin. While I practice my sincere faith independently I was raised Catholic, and thus much of my moral and ethical precepts derive their origin from the ethical and moral teachings of the catholic faith. Provided below is a statement made by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Catholic Faith made in december of 2020(Any statements made by such board after or before said date do not inherently conform to my own personal divinely inspired moral and ethical code, I simply quote them for the sake of brevity.).

“Practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary.”

As stated above, IT MUST BE VOLUNTARY. I cannot comply with or support any attempts to compel(including monetary penalties, or termination) myself or others to take the covid 19 vaccination(or any other medical procedure), doing so would be an ethical and moral violation of my personally held religious creed.

I haven’t written mine yet but be sure to mention the absolute sovereignty of God over ALL things and your duty to love your neighbor, which includes being jealous for their freedom. You could adapt this to Catholicism but I wouldnt mention any denom at all as its not required.

Heres a sermon from a reformed perspective that lays it out well. It doesn’t involve fetal cells.

Sermon: A Christian Response to Mandatory "Cookies"

You can get more at http://apologiastudios.com. Be sure to like, share, and comment on this video. #ApologiaStudiosYou can partner with us by signing up for ...

youtu.be

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Narrative escalation: "It's Five Minutes AFTER Midnight!!!"
NPCs and Branch Covidians are whipping themselves into a frenzy over rising numbers. Of course, it's all because our vaccination quota is too low, and because we're too slow to give people their third shots. They're BEGGING for the government to polish up the boots, lock down everything, and put the unvaccinated into camps.
I usually just laugh at these people and how scared they are, but I also see too many people who have conditioned their little children to be Branch Covidians as well. That just makes me sad. Not that these kids ever had a chance, with such parents they'd have one madness or the other injected into them. Branch Covidianism is just more obvious.
A friend of mine had his third shot yesterday. Not sure why, he's 30 and healthy, as far as I know. Maybe work related. Hope he won't turn out to have an underlying and undiagnosed heart condition in the near future.

They'll continue to whip themselves as well as banging their heads on a wall or a desk like Don Music if they saw that article.

CDC Makes Huge Admission About Unvaxxed Who Recovered From COVID

CDC Makes Huge Admission About Unvaxxed Who Recovered From COVID

thepalmierireport.com

The political establishment continues to push vaccine mandates on the American people.

Citing no science they smear the unvaccinated claiming they are killing people.

However, the CDC just dumped some cold water on that narrative.


According to the CDC, they have no record of an unvaccinated person who recovered from COVID spreading it to someone else.

The CDC’s excuse is that they don’t collect the data.

Wouldn’t the CDC want to know if Natural Immunity stops the spread of COVID?

Stunning.

In response to attorney’s FOIA request, US CDC admits that it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after recovering from COVID.
Lawyers smelling blood in the water. pic.twitter.com/ajdOuiIyjj
— Michael P Senger (@MichaelPSenger) November 12, 2021

And as some random guy said in informercials: "But wait! There's more!" A UCal football game was cancelled because lots of players got Corona-chan and a twisting irony they was all vaccinated!

UCal football game canceled after 44 positive Covid tests… The team is 99% Vaccinated…

Berkeley’s Department of Public Health laid out previously unreported details about what is clearly a major Covid outbreak in the Cal football program — including that at…

citizenfreepress.com

 

[Yeeted Teet]

Oh look, another thing the conspiracy theorists said would happen is happening. It's been officially recommended to expand the use of vaccine passes beyond pubs and restaurants.

Nphet recommends expanding use of Covid passes beyond hospitality sector

The National Public Health Public Emergency (Nphet) has formally urged the Government to expand the use of Covid passes beyond the hospitality industry.

www.independent.ie

Nphet recommend expanding use of Covid passes beyond hospitality sect…

archived 12 Nov 2021 12:56:52 UTC

archive.md

There's also talk of setting up a hotline to make it easier for snitches to report businesses that aren't checking papers.

COVID certs: Dedicated helpline could be set up for people to report breaches, Martin says | Newstalk

The Tourism Minister says she plans to make it easier for people to report bars and restaurants not sticking to rules around vaccine passports

www.newstalk.com

COVID certs: Dedicated helpline could be set up for people to report …

archived 12 Nov 2021 13:02:11 UTC

archive.md

I know it shouldn't be shocking but I can't get over how quickly we went from "vaccine passes are a conspiracy theory" to "vaccine passes are great and should be used more". It hasn't even been six months. I can't deal with this country anymore, I'd been considering emigrated anyway but all this authoritarianism and how gleefully the people around me are going along with it and shunning anyone who doesn't comply has sealed it. A friend moved to Texas recently and I'm pretty jealous.

 

[jje100010001]

You dont need to be part of an established religion to request a religious exemption.

So far as I can tell, lots of people on here are ignorant on this.

Morally bankrupt regimes rely on the ignorance of the electorate. It makes it so much easier to strip rights away from people who barely know their rights to start.

It depends- in a country like Canada for instance, the Charter (not constitution) is not iron-bound, so they’re free to demand as much detail from you as possible.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Well, my foreman here finally started asking about the fucking wuflu pass. Said it was mandatory, but didn't give a date when it was needed by. Any good ways to fake that shit?

 

[Abdul Alhazred]

Update on my illness; I’ve made pretty much a full recovery from my cold, I just have a slight cough left. Is it possible the vaccine is designed to break your immunity to COVID down but not your entire immune system? Either that or the vaccine itself is the nothingburger and the compliance is what the Globalists are after. I’m not exactly convulsing on the floor after getting sick and I’ve been double jabbed for nearly a year. Of course, we don’t know the long term effects of the meme shot, but such mass depopulation would leave nations without sheep to herd, considering the sheep are the ones getting their shots and the ones who know the truth are not signing on for infinite boosters. I think it’s more of installing a regime and using the vaccines to measure and make compliance mandatory then it is a poison shot, although I know the side effects are pretty horrible, that’s more of Pfizer and other vax manufacturers being corrupt and not testing enough in order to make a quick buck off this disaster. Thoughts and opinions from others and testimony from others who’ve gotten sick post-jab would be much appreciated.

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Update on my illness; I’ve made pretty much a full recovery from my cold, I just have a slight cough left. Is it possible the vaccine is designed to break your immunity to COVID down but not your entire immune system? Either that or the vaccine itself is the nothingburger and the compliance is what the Globalists are after. I’m not exactly convulsing on the floor after getting sick and I’ve been double jabbed for nearly a year. Of course, we don’t know the long term effects of the meme shot, but such mass depopulation would leave nations without sheep to herd, considering the sheep are the ones getting their shots and the ones who know the truth are not signing on for infinite boosters. I think it’s more of installing a regime and using the vaccines to measure and make compliance mandatory then it is a poison shot, although I know the side effects are pretty horrible, that’s more of Pfizer and other vax manufacturers being corrupt and not testing enough in order to make a quick buck off this disaster. Thoughts and opinions from others and testimony from others who’ve gotten sick post-jab would be much appreciated.

Well, the original antigenic sin part will only impact covid, but it will give you a less robust immunity to covid since your body will only ever see the S protein and ignore the N protein if you took the shot first, then got coof. It's just a corner cutting thing the body does, and I don't believe we've ever done a vaccine with so little variety in protein triggers (not certain on this, but I think I heard previous "chopped up virus" vaccines had a couple of antigens selected in them, not exclusively one.)

An ADE cause would still likely just impact how covid and maybe coronavirus colds interact with your body. It would make it easier for them to infect you and those would cause more problems. So far it hasn't been quite as dramatic as the dengu fever vaccine ADE, if it's happening, but the antibodies wouldn't be universal traitors in that scenario.

I don't know that I've seen enough evidence that it destroys the entire immune system, but it has caused some weird antibody results and thrown off the neutriphil balance? I guess it could also just be giving you leukemia. I had a blood test that came back with those elevated, although I was just getting over something. They said to come back and get retested, but I didn't. Haven't died yet, but you can never tell, could have slow growing leukemia. Also, stress can cause those levels to change, so it could also be a byproduct of two years of telling people the world is ending. We have been culturing mental illness in people who were mostly functional before this mess.

Honestly, some of the weakness to illness could still be that living like bubble boys for two years isn't the best for maintaining a strong immune system. The body basically puts its efforts where they are most needed and slacks where things are less in demand. It's to be efficient, but it is going to have consequences.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Is it possible the vaccine is designed to break your immunity to COVID down but not your entire immune system?

They don't break your immunity to COVID down, they are meant to build it up.

The problem is they only target one out of at least a dozen proteins that comprise of the virus, meanwhile causing widespread "collateral damage" among other cells in the short term. We also don't know the long-term effects of the vaccine (no the irony isn't lost).
So the risk versus reward is honestly not that great for most normal demographics.

 

[Almalexia]

If you are an American declaring an exemption and you can possibly afford it, please retain counsel and make sure your company knows that. Yes, it can be a Cracker Jack e-lawyer who charges you $100. Cc'ing any lawyer on your response to HR and/or having something with a lawyer's letterhead sends a strong signal that fighting you is going to be a pain in their ass. I'm not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, this is just common sense. No company wants to deal with a lawsuit. Even the most bullshit lawsuit = time, expense, and hassle. Most companies are just taking the path of least resistance as far as compliance goes. Knowing there is even a tiny chance you might give them hell can help change that calculus, unless you work for a megacorp with bottomless resources or for especially woke people.

Went to a metal show the other day. Proof of vax required. Since I live in a mask mandate zone, I figured everyone would just wear one at the door and take it off immediately because, proof of vax required at entry. NOPE. The True Believers dutifully kept them on the whole time and snuck little sips of their shitty beers. It was absolutely pathetic seeing these total badasses with tattoos from their neck to their feet in the mosh pit, dutifully wearing their useless little pieces of cloth the whole time because Fauci and the World Economic Forum said so.

I went up to one of the balconies where the few other based people were. Some double masked soyboy gave me multiple stern disapproving glances and started walking toward me. He was clearly about to launch into a tirade when it became clear to him I was accompanied by an unmasked gentleman who was much larger than him, and retreated. Meanwhile, I was drinking heavily to help with my own admitted coping and seething at how stupid everyone was acting. While in the wammens room pissing my brains out I was of course subjected to lots of preachy signs about "IF YOU SEE SOMEONE WHOSE BODY MAY NOT MATCH THEIR GENDER, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. THEY KNOW BETTER THAN YOU". Luckily the show was 21+ so there were no little girls at risk of getting Wi Spa'd.

I don't think I'll be going to more shows any time soon. Band was great though!

 

[Chongqing]

I feel like you've had a really bad case. I've had Covid - maybe twice. The first time 100% knocked me out, but the second time (when I actually tested positive for antibodies) I thought it was just a bad case of jetlag. I don't love the idea of getting it again, but I assume each time will be milder... so we should both be fine.

Just chiming in because people are saying this person's case was atypical.

Their description matched what I went through to a T, minus the gastro issues.

It does seem like current Covid is less extreme than what it was before, but you're right that everyone's experience/body is different.

Edit: I'm not fat and I got daily exercise prior to getting sick.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Just chiming in because people are saying this person's case was atypical.

Their description matched what I went through to a T, minus the gastro issues.

It does seem like current Covid is less extreme than what it was before, but you're right that everyone's experience/body is different.

Edit: I'm not fat and I got daily exercise prior to getting sick.

Anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal.

 

[Chongqing]

That's true.

I don't even think it's evidence, it's just a story.