Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[waffle]

They want mistrial so they could have a do-over with a different judge who wouldn't be so concerned with constitution and other minor obstacles of that kind.

Everyone says that, but in my jurisdiction even if it were a mistrial without prejudice it would go back to the same judge. I expect it would here too because he seems to have had had the case for so long.

 

[Gehenna]

i dont understand their argument. Gaige is there gun in hand. are they saying Kyle cleared a malfunction so he wasnt in danger?

I think a lot of the confusion stems from the fact they kept having plans on how to entrap Rittenhouse, and they kept completely failing. So you have a lot of setups with no payoff.

In this case, it was to try to push the idea that Lefty was totally not an attacker, but Kyle was getting ready to kill him and the only thing that delayed it was racking the gun which is why Lefty raised his own weapon to fire.


But then Lefty utterly annihilated that with his own testimony.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

i dont understand their argument. Gaige is there gun in hand. are they saying Kyle wasnt in danger because he cleared a malfunction?

Their argument is, Gaige stopped and put his hands up to surrender, Kyle tried to shoot him but had a malfunction, and then pulled the charging handle to clear the malfunction. That's why Gaige charged at Kyle. He also supposedly pointed his gun at Kyle by accident and didn't intend to shoot him.

It's retarded.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

Everyone says that, but in my jurisdiction even if it were a mistrial without prejudice it would go back to the same judge. I expect it would here too because he seems to have had had the case for so long.

Hopefully. Fewer options prosecution has, the better. Defense, on the other hand, could hope for directed verdict, mistrial with prejudice or successful appeal if it gets to the jury and they rule to convict.
Binger gave them a lot of ammo for remedy.

 

[murdered meat bag]

I think a lot of the confusion stems from the fact they kept having plans on how to entrap Rittenhouse, and they kept completely failing. So you have a lot of setups with no payoff.

In this case, it was to try to push the idea that Lefty was totally not an attacker, but Kyle was getting ready to kill him and the only thing that delayed it was racking the gun which is why Lefty raised his own weapon to fire.


But then Lefty utterly annihilated that with his own testimony.

its great that we saw how scummy Binger. I think id have fucked up if i switched places with kyle. definitely going to be pay up the dough for drilling

 

[Gehenna]

Most of my figuring out what the prosecution was doing involved figuring out what plans were aborted due to the spectacular failings they kept having. In the end, I... don't think they have one left. And the recent audio bit from their last attempt just outright saying no was a pretty big confirmation.

Hell, I have -no- idea what their closing arguments even could be, besides one long table-pounding session with absolutely no substance.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Hell, I have -no- idea what their closing arguments even could be, besides one long table-pounding session with absolutely no substance.

I'm praying Chirafisi and Binger give the closing arguments.

 

[Gehenna]

I'm praying Chirafisi and Binger give the closing arguments.

That would be the best-case scenario, with the worst being the opposite of Richards and Kraus.

 

[Corn Flakes]

I'm praying Chirafisi and Binger give the closing arguments.

I so want Chirafisi to give the closing argument for the defense. He's a much more engaging speaker than Richards.

 

[TJBirish]

Audie Murphy served in World War Two. Rittenhouse decided to play vigilante for shits and giggles. It's not the same.

The rioters shouldn't have been there either, but even the most ardent leftists aren't lionizing them the way you guys are worshipping Rittenhouse.

Honestly, I think he and his mother are horses's asses for going there, but that was their decision.

But from "Medic, medic, medic", until he relive Grosskreutz of his bicep, it was a textbook demonstration of self-defense.

I haven't seen a single self-defense expert (a REAL one, not "some guy" on CNN) say he did much wrong

 

[Chief Ungo Bungo]

Frankly, I trust Gosskreutz testimony as far as he could throw me.

It's been blown apart, just like his arm

 

[Zilortha]

I so want Chirafisi to give the closing argument for the defense. He's a much more engaging speaker than Richards.

I wonder if they'll alternate from their openings? So Chirifisi and Kraus...

 

[Mr Bunny]

Most of my figuring out what the prosecution was doing involved figuring out what plans were aborted due to the spectacular failings they kept having. In the end, I... don't think they have one left. And the recent audio bit from their last attempt just outright saying no was a pretty big confirmation.

Hell, I have -no- idea what their closing arguments even could be, besides one long table-pounding session with absolutely no substance.

Well, there is speculation that Binger is really trying to get a mistrial + prejudice, so he could just go all out with the BS, all-out, bring in everything he wasn't allowed. It's unlikely but Binger has already blunting pulled these stunts so it's at least possible.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Audie Murphy served in World War Two. Rittenhouse decided to play vigilante for shits and giggles. It's not the same.

The rioters shouldn't have been there either, but even the most ardent leftists aren't lionizing them the way you guys are worshipping Rittenhouse.

9/10 of them think Kyle's "victims" were black. How can they worship them if they don't know who they are?

 

[mr.moon1488]

I agree that we can't exactly read their minds, but there are a couple people in the gallery posting the jury's reactions during the trial. For at least some of the jurors, it seems Binger lost a lot of credibility with them.
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I feel like it's going to come down to how willing the non-cucked jurors are to eat the bullet to acquit.

 

[Gehenna]

I so want Chirafisi to give the closing argument for the defense. He's a much more engaging speaker than Richards.

Chirafisi and Richards make a good team... when they are playing to their strengths. My boss was commenting on this as a former long-standing attorney. Richards is detail-oriented and able to keep the big picture in his mind, as well as quick on the uptick for openings when observing. Chirifasi is a very engaging speaker and able to pivot on the spot to new things almost immediately, able to come up with quick strategies in the short term.

The problem for both is neither is good at the other's strength. Chirifasi is slow to pick up on how things work in the large picture and often misses important openings. Richards gets too lost in the details and bigger picture to be able to pivot on the spot, and his detail-oriented mind makes him a -painfully- dry speaker.

They work best when playing off each other's strengths. Chirifasi handles the presentation and in the moment action, making sure to check in briefly with Richards to see if Richard's spotted anything worth going in on.

 

[karadion]

Their argument is, Gaige stopped and put his hands up to surrender, Kyle tried to shoot him but had a malfunction, and then pulled the charging handle to clear the malfunction. That's why Gaige charged at Kyle. He also supposedly pointed his gun at Kyle by accident and didn't intend to shoot him.

It's exceptional.

Except it's extremely difficult to pull the charging handle or what Gaige Burglar Grosskreutz says "re-rack" without moving your elbows. Typically when you feed a magazine, you point the rifle up, slap it in, point down or up, pull charging handle. Since that spring can be a bitch to pull the bolt/buffer back.

 

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Putting him up and not Kraus for the closing arguments would be the worst thing they could possibly do, and I really hope that is what they do.

I feel there is exactly zero chance Binger doesn't do closing arguments, because Binger seems like the kind of prick that would NEVER let his "assistant" take center stage, even if it was the right thing to do to achieve his goals.

Most of my figuring out what the prosecution was doing involved figuring out what plans were aborted due to the spectacular failings they kept having. In the end, I... don't think they have one left. And the recent audio bit from their last attempt just outright saying no was a pretty big confirmation.

Hell, I have -no- idea what their closing arguments even could be, besides one long table-pounding session with absolutely no substance.

I'm guessing they're going to paint the narrative of Kyle running around recklessly endangering everyone by playing with a rifle like a call of duty toy, wanting to be a hero. Wanting to be famous. He agitated everyone, escalating a dangerous situation into a deadly situation, and because it was him who agitated everything, it can't be self defense / self defense doesn't apply because we're not asking you to get him for murder, but rather for recklessly endangering everyone there. Those peaceful protesters would have been angry and maybe set some harmless trash on fire but gosh darnit, that violent militia was there pointing their guns at people -- you even heard the defense's own "journalist" saying he was terrified of them so he screamed press press press because he didn't want them to gun him down -- and that just made a nervous crowd into a terrified and panicking crowd. If not for that evil militia that Kyle is part of, nothing bad would have happened other than some silly trash fires. His reckless behavior endangered everyone in town, his friends in the militia, the property owners, the peaceful protesters. Everyone. And Rosenbaum, that excited man, was just obviously tired of Kyle being so reckless and endangering everyone so he rushed up to make him stop waving his gun around like a madman, and Kyle shot him for it. And then, as Kyle was running around, waving his big scary black gun around at people, two other heroes rushed forward to try and stop him so the police, who showed up seconds later, could take him into custody. But Kyle couldn't even be bothered to wait for adults, adults that obviously were worried for him and wanted to stop him from harming anyone else, to help him get to the police. So Kyle shot those two adults trying to help Kyle.

"Don't get me wrong. Kyle's a good boy. Clearly he meant well. But he shouldn't have been there, and he sure as heck shouldn't have been there waving an assault rifle around like some video game character, putting everyone at risk. And if you agree with that, you HAVE to find him guilty."

 

[Gehenna]

I feel there is exactly zero chance Binger doesn't do closing arguments, because Binger seems like the kind of prick that would NEVER let his "assistant" take center stage, even if it was the right thing to do to achieve his goals.


I'm guessing they're going to paint the narrative of Kyle running around recklessly endangering everyone by playing with a rifle like a call of duty toy, wanting to be a hero. Wanting to be famous. He agitated everyone, escalating a dangerous situation into a deadly situation, and because it was him who agitated everything, it can't be self defense / self defense doesn't apply because we're not asking you to get him for murder, but rather for recklessly endangering everyone there. Those peaceful protesters would have been angry and maybe set some harmless trash on fire but gosh darnit, that violent militia was there pointing their guns at people -- you even heard the defense's own "journalist" saying he was terrified of them so he screamed press press press because he didn't want them to gun him down -- and that just made a nervous crowd bloodthirsty. If not for that evil militia that Kyle is part of, nothing bad would have happened other than some silly trash fires. His reckless behavior endangered everyone in town, his friends in the militia, the property owners, the peaceful protesters. Everyone.

"Don't get me wrong. Kyle's a good boy. Clearly he meant well. But he shouldn't have been there, and he sure as heck shouldn't have been there waving an assault rifle around like some video game character, putting everyone at risk. And if you agree with that, you HAVE to find him guilty."

You had me nodding until the end. Binger has, at every single opportunity, tried to portray Rittenhouse as simply -evil-. He outright said to the judge that Kyle was maliciously seeking too murder people. And Binger -cannot- read a fucking room to save his life.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Look who's talking about pedophiles. You all need to have your computers seized. This hullabaloo and white knighting over a fucking teenager is creepy.

I am reading it. You all are so buttmad that I have the audacity to disagree with you and criticize the kid that you people are thirsting over.

Conservatives are turning this kid into a saint and it's fucking creepy.


Don't take your insecurities out on me, incel. Not my fault you've never touched a boob.

My parents never wanted their daughter to be a boy scout. And they would have kicked my ass if I had crossed state lines with an AR 15 to play vigilante.

I know this is bait and you're too low-information to know anything about what's going on, but I would just like to say that Kyle is 18. At best it's just creepy to lust after him.