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What do you think will happen?

  • Guilty on all charges

    Votes: 282 8.8%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 1,077 33.7%

  • Mistral

    Votes: 264 8.3%

  • Mixture of verdicts

    Votes: 479 15.0%

  • Minecraft

    Votes: 213 6.7%

  • Roblox

    Votes: 132 4.1%

  • Runescape

    Votes: 203 6.3%

  • Somehow Guilty Of Two Mutually Exclusive Actions

    Votes: 514 16.1%

  • KYLE WILL SUBMIT TO BBC

    Votes: 35 1.1%
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So... uh... is today's stream over?

Evilronald said:
The defense has made so many missteps in this case. They’re doing this “Wisconsin nice” bullshit instead of zealously advocating for their client. They needed to play dirty and get rosenbaums history of violence in. The weakest part of their case was always the first shooting and while it’s clearly self-defense, it’s the least obvious instance of it based on the video evidence. They needed to focus like a laser on that first encounter and attack anything that the prosecution tried to bring in last minute. Instead they just let it all in because “why not the facts are on our side.” I bet a lot of innocent people thought that before they were wrongly imprisoned.
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lolno. They are professionals and they have done well.
Just cause they don't go down the TV meme route of OBJECTION YOUR HONOR THE PROSECUTION'S ARGUMENT SUCKS! all the goddamned time, people think they are timid.

They just pick their battles smartly. And if the prosecution now gets a grainy fucking video where the judge had to look at from half a foot away with fatty holding a stick up to the image to make the judge see what he's babbling on about... Oh. The. Fucking. Horror. Kyle's gonna go to the chair, I guess. :story:
 
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BradCarter said:
I'm not saying it's a good idea you autists. That's what devil's advocate means. You don't need to convince me it's a bad idea, I know. I'm trying to pitch ideas about what the defence's motivations are.
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Motivation? There was no motivation behind that fuck up. They got frustrated and gave up advocating for their client on one of the most important sticking points the entire trial so far.

Do you all understand that if Kyle is found by the jury to be guilty of provoking Rosenbaum, that it could jeopardize his entire case for self defense?

You can all cope about how the jury's totally not going to be that retarded and Kyle will be fine, but the fact is that you're basing that entirely on faith in total strangers that you know nothing about. The door has been opened for something truly terrible to happen, and the defense has only themselves to blame.
 
Evilronald said:
The defense has made so many missteps in this case. They’re doing this “Wisconsin nice” bullshit instead of zealously advocating for their client. They needed to play dirty and get rosenbaums history of violence in. The weakest part of their case was always the first shooting and while it’s clearly self-defense, it’s the least obvious instance of it based on the video evidence. They needed to focus like a laser on that first encounter and attack anything that the prosecution tried to bring in last minute. Instead they just let it all in because “why not the facts are on our side.” I bet a lot of innocent people thought that before they were wrongly imprisoned.
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I don't think they'd have allowed Rosenbaums history of violence since Kyle wouldn't have known about it, and it'd also let the prosecution bring up that footage of Kyle getting into a fight with a girl, which despite the fact he was clearly defending his female friend, juries will just think "man hit girl bad, man bad".
 
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No more dooming
 
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BradCarter said:
I'm not saying it's a good idea you autists. That's what devil's advocate means. You don't need to convince me it's a bad idea, I know. I'm trying to pitch ideas about what the defence's motivations are.
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If the defense believed appeasing the MSM over trying to keep their client out of jail was a good idea, then they are extremely exceptional.

I would be more inclined to believe that the defense wants the prosecution to fight very hard over these pixels. Because trying to argue that a big amogusfoot for half a second on fast moving drone footage, and putting out some fires, is more evidence for provocation than Rosenbaum yelling "Shoot me Nigger" at the top of his lungs. Which may hurt the credibility of the prosecution more than it is likely to convince the jury that Kyle was provoking shit.

I dunno, I am not a lawyer, but then, I'm also not a juror here either.
 
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JoyfulDarter said:
This is kind of where I've been at when people talk about the defense not doing anything. I feel like the prosecution has been doing enough damage to their own case. Why interrupt your opponent when they're making several critical errors?
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The other side of that coin is that I *HOPE* the jury sees it that way, and aren't dumb as a box of rocks and "see" it because they were told to. Chances are at least one of them is dumb as a doorknob or a hyper progressive leftist karen who still thinks Kyle was a white supremacist looking for black people to shoot at.
 
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Corn Flakes said:
That "evidence" wasn't shown to the jury yet, was it? They were trying to get it shown to the jury during deliberation, but even then they can't have Binger and Krauss pointing at the screen and going "see?! Do you see it?! Squint harder you dumb bitch!" to try to force them into seeing something that's not there.
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That's exactly what they're going to do in their closing arguments, they straight up voiced their intention to do so this morning.
 
Mike Stoklasa said:
You mean more than they already have?
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Even more so. As in "we scream this loud enough to drown out dissenting voices." The trial is a formality. The prosecution just needed to provide sound bytes so leftists can point to this and say "SYSTEMIC RACISM!!!!!!"

And arguing with anyone will be pointless unless you have a PowerPoint presentation set up and ready to go. Most people will look at you bewildered that you could doubt Rittenhouses guilt regardless of the outcome of the trial. My experience has been that once you say "These points you believe are factually wrong" people's eyes roll and nothing changes. Any in depth analysis, hell quoting transcripts of the event, puts you in "Alex Jones" territory.

As for the doomering, I listened to Binger badger Rittenhouse and thought he had exceptional tourettes syndrome. The defense may have opened a door for the prosecution but nothing I have seen has given me the idea that Binger and Wide Load can actually do anything with it.

It's time to roll the dice with the jury. Time to put the odds board away and go outside for a walk. Or do something else. Everyone is getting anxious about something they have absolutely no control over and it will fuck you up royally.
 
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Evilronald said:
The defense has made so many missteps in this case. They’re doing this “Wisconsin nice” bullshit instead of zealously advocating for their client. They needed to play dirty and get rosenbaums history of violence in. The weakest part of their case was always the first shooting and while it’s clearly self-defense, it’s the least obvious instance of it based on the video evidence. They needed to focus like a laser on that first encounter and attack anything that the prosecution tried to bring in last minute. Instead they just let it all in because “why not the facts are on our side.” I bet a lot of innocent people thought that before they were wrongly imprisoned.
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The judge has used the term "beyond reasonable doubt" as the standard for evidence quite a few times during this trial, and you can be damn sure he will also use it when instructing the jury.

The prosecution are trying to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Kyle waived his rights to self-defense by "provoking" Rosenbaum to attack him by aiming at Ziminsky for a split-second in the middle of a riot. No witness testimony has mentioned anything with regards to that. No video recorded on the ground has been shown depicting the event. Their only piece of evidence that could be even remotely construed as implying it happened is a drone shot from two hundred yards away, zoomed in, and so grainy the people involved are 15 pixels tall. It's on the prosecution's ass to prove it happened beyond reasonable doubt. In a way that all 12 people in the jury, some of which are already pissed at the prosecution and sympathetic towards Kyle, would take it.

That's a fucking tall order. And again, the defense did object to this one. The judge decided to let it in. Once his decision was made there was no point in whining about it.
 
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RomanesEuntDomus said:
So... uh... is today's stream over?


lolno. They are professionals and they have done well.
Just cause they don't go down the TV meme route of OBJECTION YOUR HONOR THE PROSECUTION'S ARGUMENT SUCKS! all the goddamned time, people think they are timid.

They just pick their battles smartly. And if the prosecution now gets a grainy fucking video where the judge had to look at from half a foot away with fatty holding a stick up to the image to make the judge see what he's babbling on about... Oh. The. Fucking. Horror. Kyle's gonna go to the chair, I guess. :story:
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It's not the blurry picture that people are worried about. It's provocation being included in the Jury instruction. There are people who unironically think having an AR is provocation. So letting it into the jury instruction at all was fucking retarded.
 
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