Science Autism shapes the gut microbiome, scientists report, not the other way around (DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS)

By Kate Baggaley | Published Nov 12, 2021 1:00 PM
https://www.popsci.com/science/gut-microbiome-autism-link/
There’s been growing speculation in recent years that the community of bacteria, viruses, and other microorganisms dwelling in the gut somehow contributes to autism. However, scientists reported this week, the reality may in fact be the reverse.
“Instead it looks like characteristics of autism contribute to microbiome differences, almost turning the hype or the proposed mechanism on its head,” says Chloe Yap, an MD/PhD candidate in psychiatric genomics at the the University of Queensland and the Mater Research Institute in South Brisbane, Australia.
Children diagnosed with autism are more likely than their peers to experience gastrointestinal complaints such as constipation, diarrhea, and abdominal pain. This has led some researchers to propose that the gut microbiome might differ in autistic people and perhaps even cause the condition.
There are studies indicating that a number of conditions, ranging from inflammatory bowel disease to rheumatoid arthritis, cardiovascular disease, and depression, are in some way influenced by the gut microbiome. However, the evidence for the microbiome causing autism, or even being different in autistic people, is pretty weak, Yap says.
She and her colleagues examined stool samples from nearly 250 kids, and found no link between a diagnosis of autism and the composition of the microbiome. However, children with less varied diets were more likely to have less diverse microbiomes, as well as restricted or repetitive interests and sensory sensitivities, the team wrote on November 11 in the journal Cell.
“Children on the autism spectrum often prefer to eat a narrow selection of foods, and then that affects the microbiome,” Yap says. “So in other words, it’s a case of mind over microbes rather than the other way around.”

Despite the lack of evidence supporting the gut microbiome’s contribution to autism , she says, “There’s sort of been this building momentum and hype around the autism microbiome, which has led to some so-called therapies that claim to help or support children on the spectrum by modifying the microbiome.” These include probiotics, fad diets, and fecal microbiota transplants.
To investigate whether there was any basis for these claims, Yap and her team took stool samples from 247 children and adolescents between the ages of 2 and 17 and analyzed them for microbial DNA. The participants lived across Australia and included 99 kids who’d been diagnosed with autism, 51 of their siblings who hadn’t received a diagnosis of autism, and 97 unrelated children who also hadn’t been diagnosed with autism. The team also collected health, lifestyle, dietary, and genetic information from the children.
The researchers found no significant differences in the overall composition of the microbiomes of children with and without autism diagnoses. The team also didn’t find any connection between the microbiome and sleep problems (which are common in autistic people).
Additionally, the team searched for 607 bacteria species and identified just one that was noticeably less abundant in stool samples from kids on the autism spectrum.
They did, however, observe that children with more watery stools (a common sign of gastrointestinal issues) had microbiomes that were more limited in diversity. Children who ate fewer different kinds of foods also had less diverse microbiomes.
Although there wasn’t a direct link between a diagnosis of autism and the microbiome, children on the autism spectrum tend to have less diverse or poorer-quality diets according to an assessment known as the Australian Recommended Food Score.
To find out which characteristics might be driving this relationship, the researchers analyzed data on the children’s behavior and genetic differences associated with common autistic traits. “We found that measures of restricted interests and sensory sensitivity, both of which are core diagnostic domains of autism, were associated with [having a] restricted diet,” Yap says. Having a less varied diet would in turn lead to a less diverse microbiome and gastrointestinal problems, she says.
The findings suggest that “treatments” for autism that target the microbiome aren’t based on solid evidence. However, Yap says, the findings do highlight the importance of helping kids on the autism spectrum have healthy, balanced diets. “Having a good diet is really important for long-term wellbeing and development, so that’s something to really start looking into,” she says.
Still, the researchers say, it will be important to verify the findings by examining larger groups of participants from around the world. “We’re aiming to progress this as a team, but hope that others in the field do similar analyses,” Jacob Gratten, the leader of the Mater Research Institute’s Cognitive Health Genomics group and another coauthor of the findings, told Popular Science in an email. The team also plans to follow children over time to see if variations in the gut microbiome in infancy are related to later autism diagnosis.

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This somehow feels less like a thing that would be caused by autism and more a side effect of autism meds.

Also this article seems more about kids with shitty diets than it does kids with autism but thats a whole other situation.
 
One of the great unanswered questions in modern psychology is how much things like the gut biome can affect mental health.
The question now is: is a bad gut biome caused by things like depression or Autism or vice versa? So far we've found evidence to support both theories... Although it's starting to sound like a bit of both, in that a minor mental disorder can become more pronounced due to poor diet and health.
 
Wasn’t there a study with rats where implanting a gut microbiome from an autistic rat into a non autistic rat gave it autism? Additionally I believe removing the microbiome from an autistic rat and placing a non autistic one also did nothing for it.
 
One of the great unanswered questions in modern psychology is how much things like the gut biome can affect mental health.
The question now is: is a bad gut biome caused by things like depression or Autism or vice versa? So far we've found evidence to support both theories... Although it's starting to sound like a bit of both, in that a minor mental disorder can become more pronounced due to poor diet and health.
It could easily be that gut biome and mental health can both effect each other in a positive feedback loop.
 
Wasn’t there a study with rats where implanting a gut microbiome from an autistic rat into a non autistic rat gave it autism? Additionally I believe removing the microbiome from an autistic rat and placing a non autistic one also did nothing for it.
Are you telling me autism is midichlorians?
 
so you're saying that me shitting my pants one a week for past 3 years as a pryphylactyc against autism has no medical value? great, just great

Wasn’t there a study with rats where implanting a gut microbiome from an autistic rat into a non autistic rat gave it autism?
maybe it was the horror of having been transplanted shit from a retard that turned the rat autistic?
 
It could easily be that gut biome and mental health can both effect each other in a positive feedback loop.
Yeah that was my hunch about this. I know the article made a big deal about how it's "achtually eating nothing but McNuggets—because autists throw a non-verbal tantrum when you try to make them eat anything that isn't McNuggets—is what fucks up their gut health obviously, lol", but I can't imagine having fucked up gut flora 24/7 is a good thing for anyone, much less a developing child. Surely there's some feedback loop going on there.
 
It could easily be that gut biome and mental health can both effect each other in a positive feedback loop.
That was basically the premise of Uma Naidoo in her book This is Your Brain on Food - that the foods we eat, how we eat them, and when we eat them will affect our gut bacteria, which in turn will affect our mood/mental and emotional feelings by way of chemical signals sent via the vagus nerve.
 
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Autism is caused by geezer parents. This is pretty much settled. Parental age at birth and autism are correlated so strongly a causative link cannot be denied.

I think the food thing is just a symptom of autism. Autistic people hate the unfamiliar, thus they have a limited diet. They're already autistic at birth because it's a birth defect.

Now if we're talking about something like depression - a psychological disorder rather than an actual birth defect - I can absolutely buy the feedback loop theory. Eating nothing but McDonald's is going to make you feel like shit no matter who you are, and the shittier you feel the less you want to cook.
 
Autism is caused by geezer parents. This is pretty much settled. Parental age at birth and autism are correlated so strongly a causative link cannot be denied.

I think the food thing is just a symptom of autism. Autistic people hate the unfamiliar, thus they have a limited diet. They're already autistic at birth because it's a birth defect.

Now if we're talking about something like depression - a psychological disorder rather than an actual birth defect - I can absolutely buy the feedback loop theory. Eating nothing but McDonald's is going to make you feel like shit no matter who you are, and the shittier you feel the less you want to cook.
Yes, this is the most logical explanation for increased autism rates.

People have children at a later age than in the past, so their children are more likely to have developmental disorders like Down's Syndrome and autism. It explains why transgenderism is so common nowadays too, because people with autism tend to have a weak sense of self and trouble properly identifying and describing their feelings and emotions.
 
Yes, this is the most logical explanation for increased autism rates.

People have children at a later age than in the past, so their children are more likely to have developmental disorders like Down's Syndrome and autism. It explains why transgenderism is so common nowadays too, because people with autism tend to have a weak sense of self and trouble properly identifying and describing their feelings and emotions.
The correlation between autism and troonery is also extraordinarily strong. Nobody's willing to officially declare it yet, but as far as I'm concerned it's been statistically proven.

However, that only applies to "real" transgenderism. The kind where they "feel like" the other gender. 95% of the troonsplosion is just kids hopping on the latest fad and claiming to be genderspecial because it's popular (or Transbian™ rapists being opportunists). If the media wasn't sucking the girldick 24/7, transgenderism would be relegated entirely to a handful of autists, just like it always was. Still way more prevalent than it used to be, but that's just a function of there being way more autists than there used to.
 
So the article mentions that eating fewer kinds of foods can cause problems. I've seen quite a few autism documentaries where the kid would only eat certain foods and would start screeching when they didn't get them. Now a lot of kids go through a phase where they hate foods with certain textures or colors. But they usually grow out of it and as adults you learn to be polite and eat your aunt Myrtle's squishy pasta with runny sauce and slimy veggies because you don't want to hurt her feelings.

Autists never learn this. You could take your 300 lbs fridge of an autistic adult son to the fanciest restaurant in the world and he'd have a meltdown if the tendies weren't shaped like dinosaurs.

Yes, this is the most logical explanation for increased autism rates.

People have children at a later age than in the past, so their children are more likely to have developmental disorders like Down's Syndrome and autism. It explains why transgenderism is so common nowadays too, because people with autism tend to have a weak sense of self and trouble properly identifying and describing their feelings and emotions.

I think mild cases are being over diagnosed too. Not just by doctors but by self diagnosers themselves. Blame social media for the last one. If you are a socially awkward teen who doesn't get enough attention then if all your tumblr friends are using the autism tag you will start thinking you are autistic too.
 
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The overlap is a near-perfect circle. There's definitely correlation here
I would also expect the parents to have poor quality diets that lacks diversity. Nutritional deficiencies are very common.

An autistic child can't freak out over tendies if they have never had them.
 
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