Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[usoland]

They're probably just confused as fuck over the jury instructions and have no idea how to parse it.

 

[KEKMUHLORD]

Tim Pool's having a big in-person stream party to talk about Kenosha and the Rittenhouse trial (not sure if it'll be the whole time), including Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and trial defense witness Drew Hernandez,

I know Tim's been on Joe's show, but I never thought that the reverse would happen. I imagine there's probably some seething on Twitter going on, especially because Joe's in the same room as Alex Jones.

Holyshit that is a crazy stream. Seeing Rogan and Jones in the same room again is great.

Do not really care one way or the other for Tim. But it is quite the achievement being able to get all of those dudes there at the same time.

 

[Mike Stoklasas Spock Ears]

Here's my prediction. Some of the Jury are intimidated. No solution except mistrial. Some time in the future the prosecutor's office decides they will not retrial.

Kyle goes free and the left looks like uncivilized assholes.

i really think the judge in particular is trying to avoid a mistrial. he could have gone with a directed verdict or at least mistrial with prejudice more than once. he knows CNN & co are on his ass. he's historically a very pro-jury judge and knows a lot of people wouldn't take anything other than a guilty/not guilty verdict as legitimate.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Even if I were inclined to convict him of a lesser charge, or any charge, prison is just a bridge too far for this boy.

 

[Mike Stoklasas Spock Ears]

But it is quite the achievement being able to get all of those dudes there at the same time.

kek, blaire white included.

 

[DelusionTree]

Seems like another cop and dindu interaction between the cop and dindu. I briefly skimmed the complaint (attached). The case when she went to tase the dude but instead grabbed the gun and shot him. Here's the rest of the stuff.

Minnesota Judicial Branch - 27-CR-21-7460: State vs. Kimberly Potter

www.mncourts.gov

I personally find her guilty of manslaughter, but there imo is definitely huge political pressure behind the case which makes me want her to be found not guilty for just that reason alone.

Oh a manslaughter conviction against her is definitely a solid conviction. I do agree, the political pressure on the case is insane. I remember so many people wanting to charge her with murder, acting like she had started her day going "I'm gonna kill me a nigger". No, she's not a murder, just a dangerous incompetent. Still she deserves to sit time.

That one is a weird case.
She legitimately had the right to used deadly force against a fleeing felon but chose to use a taser, then accidentally ends up using deadly force anyway.

How the fuck do you parse that under the law?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Oh damn, they got Malice on too?

Great stream right here.

 

[NevskyProspekt]

Deep Dish Pizza is clearly a topless pie.

Deep dish pizza is an above-ground marinara swimming pool for rats.

 

[Oxous]

Even if I were inclined to convict him of a lesser charge, or any charge, prison is just a bridge too far for this boy.

I find the 'lesser charge' argument a little hard to wrap my head around. The least serious charge Kyle's facing would have him facing potentially 17 years in prison. Even if Schroeder were as lenient as humanly possible that's still gonna be a long time, and the not guilty camp has to realize this.

 

[Gehenna]

So the current charges the jury are deciding on are as follows, in order, correct? Using ABC as a source.

Rosenbaum:

• 1st degree Reckless Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 60 years in prison, plus 5 years with the 'use of a dangerous weapon' add-on.
• 1st degree Reckless Endangering Safety + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 12 1/2 years in prison plus the add-on from before.

Jump Kick Man (whatever his name was):

• 1st degree Reckless Endangering Safety + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 12 1/2 years in prison plus the 5 years add-on.

Huber:

• 1st degree Intentional Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Mandatory life sentence plus the 5 years add-on.
  • Jury was also given the option to replace the charge with 2nd degree Intentional Homicide or 1st degree Reckless Homicide. Either is punishable by up to 60 years.

Grosskreutz:

• Attempted 1st degree Intentional Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 60 years in prison, plus the 5 years add-on.
  • Jury was also given the option to replace the charge with 2nd degree Attempted Intentional Homicide (punishable by 30 years) or 1st degree Reckless Homicide (12 1/2 years).

It is worth noting, the Prosecution tried to add in some counts with a five-year sentence. I think those might have passed through as a 'compromise verdict. But the defense sufficiently pleaded against it, and nothing that is left even vaguely looks compromisable.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Tim Pool's having a big in-person stream party to talk about Kenosha and the Rittenhouse trial (not sure if it'll be the whole time), including Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and trial defense witness Drew Hernandez,

I know Tim's been on Joe's show, but I never thought that the reverse would happen. I imagine there's probably some seething on Twitter going on, especially because Joe's in the same room as Alex Jones.

Technically Joe and Alex Jones aren’t in the same room. They’re in Tim’s Mobile Command Creeper Van.

 

[Gehenna]

I find the 'lesser charge' argument a little hard to rap my head around. The least serious charge Kyle's facing would have him facing potentially 17 years in prison. Even if Schroeder were as lenient as humanly possible that's still gonna be a long time, and the not guilty camp has to realize this.

No, several had minimum sentences of 5 years. Those would have been more palatable.

 

[Quixotic Man]

So the current charges the jury are deciding on are as follows, in order, correct? Using ABC as a source.

Rosenbaum:

• 1st degree Reckless Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 60 years in prison, plus 5 years with the 'use of a dangerous weapon' add-on.
• 1st degree Reckless Endangering Safety + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 12 1/2 years in prison plus the add-on from before.

Jump Kick Man (whatever his name was):

• 1st degree Reckless Endangering Safety + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 12 1/2 years in prison plus the 5 years add-on.

Huber:

• 1st degree Intentional Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Mandatory life sentence plus the 5 years add-on.
  • Jury was also given the option to replace the charge with 2nd degree Intentional Homicide or 1st degree Reckless Homicide. Either is punishable by up to 60 years.

Grosskreutz:

• Attempted 1st degree Intentional Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 60 years in prison, plus the 5 years add-on.
  • Jury was also given the option to replace the charge with 2nd degree Attempted Intentional Homicide (punishable by 30 years) or 1st degree Reckless Homicide (12 1/2 years).

It is very possible we will see Rittenhouse acquitted on some charges, and a hung jury on others.

The reckless endangerment is retarded and confusing here and I could see it tripping the jury up.

 

[Oxous]

No, several had minimum sentences of 5 years. Those would have been more palatable.

Those were the ones that got dismissed though, right? Or can they say he's guilty on Use Of A Dangerous Weapon but not Reckless Homicide or whatever?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

No, several had minimum sentences of 5 years. Those would have been more palatable.

Do we know whether they run concurrent?

Those were the ones that got dismissed though, right? Or can they say he's guilty on Use Of A Dangerous Weapon but not Reckless Homicide or whatever?

Yes they can. Each charge is separate.

 

[BlueSnowman]

Be specific, not an intimidated -jury-, some intimidated -jurors-. If the whole or most of the jury were intimidated, this would have been Guilty across the board, just like the Chauvin case.
But it's not, and by having put down their foot as acquitting the jurors who did so ensured no amount of intimidation short of that sufficient for a mistrial will even move them.

As I said before, the implications are dire. Merkel and the left annulled an election in 2020 because the far left wasn't reelected. Chauvin was a miscarriage of justice and now this attack on your right to selfdefence. They are done playing pretend to like democracy.

There is no sense of decency on the left, no sense for truth. In the past you could at least talk to their working class elements and reach a common goal (the intellectuals like Marcuse, Adorno and Trotzki were always unhinged ugly incels hating their own people). Today they literally believe white countries and the existence of white people is evil. I kid you not. We had a segment on German tv about a little black girl that went to ballett class. The German and Slavic little girls there had...gasp...blonde, long, smooth hair and the black girl cried because she can never have that. They made it sound like a travesty and grave injustice on the part of the little white girls. I ask you now what the appropriate solution is for these little girl's having naturally blonde hair...well...it comes down to genocide. The whole segment was portraying unthankful migrants complaining about German's inherent characteristics making their life here unbearable.

You can't have a democracy when one side wants to genocide the other and destroy the country. Democracy is personal freedom and peaceful transution of power. The first is impossible if the private is political and the second if there is no gallant opposition anymore.

I get very emotional about lefties and that is because I saw a good childhood friend, later girlfriend transform from a naggy straight a student who read Marx but had her heart in the right spot to an unhinged, selfdestructive monster that wished death on her own people. She literally gave me 'well, then at least suffering is spread more equally. It is white people's turn to suffer now', as an answer after I cornered her in a debate about what her policies would do to Germany. Im glad Im rid of her and strongly urge anyone here to avoid social science students like the plague.

 

[anionfarflung]

Holyshit that is a crazy stream. Seeing Rogan and Jones in the same room again is great.

Do not really care one way or the other for Tim. But it is quite the achievement being able to get all of those dudes there at the same time.

Whoa whoa whoa bigot did you just misgender Blaire White as a dude?

 

[Evilronald]

It is very possible we will see Rittenhouse acquitted on some charges, and a hung jury on others.

The reckless endangerment is exceptional and confusing here and I could see it tripping the jury up.

How retarded are these people? It seems like the prosecution got rid of anyone with a brain plus the guy who told the Jakob Blake joke fucked up too.

 

[Gehenna]

Those were the ones that got dismissed though, right? Or can they say he's guilty on Use Of A Dangerous Weapon but not Reckless Homicide or whatever?

Correct, there were several lesser included offenses the Prosecution wanted to add in that weren't, including some rather minor ones. They got bundled up and thrown out due to some good objections by Agent 47.

 

[TheClappening]

I'd also like to think the prosecutors themselves aren't total dickheads and are just doing this because it's their job and don't really want to see Kyle in prison for defending himself, except maybe the Peter Griffin-looking one.

Ha.
Hahahahahahahaha.

LittleBinger and Fatboy are slimy shits who saw Kyle as a stepping stone in their career. The fact they bought murder charges against the most well documented self defense shooting in history just shows what scumfucks they are.

As a matter of law, it shouldn't be possible for a reasonable jury to find Kyle acted in self defense with Pedobaum BUT somehow recklessly endangered McGinnis.
The intent is supposed to transfer through Pedobaum to McGinnis, am I understanding that right?

Nate The Lawyer on the Rackets panel explained it best: intent follows the bullet. If the intent of the bullet fired is that of reasonable self defense, it remains reasonable even if it overpenetrates the intended target or misses entirely and nails little Timmy across the street. Civil liability would be a bitch, but there shouldn't criminal liability.

Seems like another cop and dindu interaction between the cop and dindu. I briefly skimmed the complaint (attached). The case when she went to tase the dude but instead grabbed the gun and shot him. Here's the rest of the stuff.

Minnesota Judicial Branch - 27-CR-21-7460: State vs. Kimberly Potter

www.mncourts.gov

I personally find her guilty of manslaughter, but there imo is definitely huge political pressure behind the case which makes me want her to be found not guilty for just that reason alone.

That one could be an interesting one. She seemed justified in using deadly force since the guy was trying to get back into his car (which can be a deadly weapon; see Jacob Blake). The TASER TASER TASER thing might be what fucks her, I guess.

So the current charges the jury are deciding on are as follows, in order, correct? Using ABC as a source.

Rosenbaum:

• 1st degree Reckless Homicide + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 60 years in prison, plus 5 years with the 'use of a dangerous weapon' add-on.
• 1st degree Reckless Endangering Safety + Use Of A Dangerous Weapon
  • Punishable by up to 12 1/2 years in prison plus the add-on from before.

The reckless endangerment is in relation to Richard McGinniss, not Pedobaum.