Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

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What do you think will happen?

  • Guilty on all charges

    Votes: 282 8.8%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 1,077 33.7%
  • Mistral

    Votes: 264 8.3%
  • Mixture of verdicts

    Votes: 479 15.0%
  • Minecraft

    Votes: 213 6.7%
  • Roblox

    Votes: 132 4.1%
  • Runescape

    Votes: 203 6.3%
  • Somehow Guilty Of Two Mutually Exclusive Actions

    Votes: 514 16.1%
  • KYLE WILL SUBMIT TO BBC

    Votes: 35 1.1%

  • Total voters
    3,199
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I admit I'm a filthy European and my understanding of US justice system is Law and Order and podcasts, but did people really expect a verdict that quick that they're scared of the jury taking a day?
No, you're not actually wrong. A jury really should think, as long as it takes, about a decision that involves literal lives.
 
I'm giving it until midway through Thursday before I mostly expect a hung jury, they already requested video of Huber and Gaige so now that they moved to Pedobaum it gives me hope they reached a verdict on that today and are going back to where it all started.
That would be backwards, though. It would be logical to decide pedobaum first.
 
I believe the judge intends to overturn the verdict if hung or guilty. I also think he will cuck last minute if he has to. I'm still giving a slight edge to acquittal over hung jury. If we hear nothing by lunch, I:'m forced to assume it's all fucked and the jury is hung.
The judge clearly wants a jury verdict no matter the outcome. He doesn't want to to hear accusations that he didn't give the jury a chance to do their job.
It feels like he's trying to show that (in his mind at least) the system works and he's probably hoping for a not guilty verdict too, but I don't see him intervening if the jury unanimously agrees he's guilty.
So, I think in the case of a hung jury, the judge will step in with a mistrial w/ prejudice. But I feel like that's the only way he's stepping in.
 
I admit I'm a filthy European and my understanding of US justice system is Law and Order and podcasts, but did people really expect a verdict that quick that they're scared of the jury taking a day?
I do think Kyle defended himself and he shouldn't even be tried for this, but he still killed two people and shot one more guy. If I was on the jury I'd still feel responsible towards the victim's families and want to go through the evidence, discuss everything with the other jurors and make sure I come to the correct conclusion.

It's not an easy decision, I'd have to walk out and tell someone I think his child deserved to die. I'd want to take my time to go through the evidence again to at least make sure I am making the right decision.
The jurors have had 11 days to form an opinion, it is unusual that deliberations take this long when it's such a clear cut case of self-defense. It's taking this long because of the publicity surrounding this trial, the jurors have a lot to consider other than Kyle's guilt.
 
I believe the judge intends to overturn the verdict if hung or guilty. I also think he will cuck last minute if he has to. I'm still giving a slight edge to acquittal over hung jury. If we hear nothing by lunch, I:'m forced to assume it's all fucked and the jury is hung.
I'm concerned about the judge cucking also. He mentioned some shit about maybe not live streaming cases in the future after talking about spun up media bullshit related to him and how he runs his court. It was extremely important for the public to see how fucking scummy the prosecution are. Yet he wants to talk about the Founding Fathers.
 
The judge clearly wants a jury verdict no matter the outcome. He doesn't want to to hear accusations that he didn't give the jury a chance to do their job.
It feels like he's trying to show that (in his mind at least) the system works and he's probably hoping for a not guilty verdict too, but I don't see him intervening if the jury unanimously agrees he's guilty.
So, I think in the case of a hung jury, the judge will step in with a mistrial w/ prejudice. But I feel like that's the only way he's stepping in.
I think he's using the mistrial as insurance against guilty and he'll never actually use it.
 
Ridiculous. Make majority jury rulings by 11-1 or 10-2 a thing after like a day of debate. If there are 1 or 2 faggots holding out on either a guilty or not guilty verdict and wasting time and energy, just bypass them. Why should it be hung/mistrial because one person refuses budge, thereby opening up another long, costly and lengthy retrial on a fairly simple case.
This completely goes against the point of requiring a unanimous jury decision for murder trials. It is supposed to be difficult to acquit or convict in a murder trial because one way or another someone has died, and the decision decides the fate of a second person's life. What should be done, if anything, is auto-sequester all juries in potentially politically charged trials like this the entirety of the trial, no internet, no tv, just vidya games and movies to entertain them with. Protests that deal with the jury's decision should also be forced to be held out of earshot of the courthouse. Normally I wouldn't approve of 'designated protest areas', but given we've come to a point where political parties try to use protests to intimidate jurors into ruling a certain way, it is the most reasonable response.
 
Day 3 of deliberations
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The judge clearly wants a jury verdict no matter the outcome. He doesn't want to to hear accusations that he didn't give the jury a chance to do their job.
It feels like he's trying to show that (in his mind at least) the system works and he's probably hoping for a not guilty verdict too, but I don't see him intervening if the jury unanimously agrees he's guilty.
So, I think in the case of a hung jury, the judge will step in with a mistrial w/ prejudice. But I feel like that's the only way he's stepping in.
The fact he is doing that is proof the system does not work. Sending the jury to make a decision after major and numerous instances prosecutorial misconduct is not justice. It is not the system working.

To be clear, not trying to claim you are saying that it is or not. I just want to emphasize again the absurdity of abandoning justice in the pursuit of the perception of justice.

A not guilty verdict might be the best thing for Kyle. But it is far from proof that the system worked.
 
the people holding out are in all likely hood the ones that want to hang kyle.
I suppose that’s possible. Still a hung trial is a good outcome no? If double jeopardy still applies? Or am I ignorant of some legal nuance?
 
No, always bias towards acquittal. The standard is "reasonable doubt". If one guy says no, there's reasonable doubt imo
Easy to say with a dog shit case like this when the facts are heavily on the defendant's side. Just as easy to have some useless fag stall for days on a guilty verdict for inane reasons. Cases like this should be done and dusted easily. OJ took 4 hours. Trayvon took 12 hours, this is looking to go into day 3 by this point.
 
If only there was just one person with a spine of steel on the jury. Who held out until a mistrial even if their house got burned down.

But we don’t live in a heroic age. We live in the age of the bug man.

thank goodness the jacob blake jokester got the boot. he'd be the first to crack.
 
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