What is the female power fantasy ?

Idk about most female power fantasies but the signature womanchild escapist fantasy is Sex in the City. It highlights everything wrong with modern women and everything modern feminists want and paints it as a positive. Sex and the City and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
That's pretty good. Don't they all end up married in their late forties as well in the canon?

I remember when I thought like this, and then after having my heart broken and being socially humiliated I learned the hard way that men are not like women.

Realizing this evaporated my resentment of them. If you realize that someone isn't like you and can't be like you, then you hold them to a different (not necessarily lower) standard than yourself and other members of your group. In this case, the group is gender.

It's either realize that we're not all the same and have different systems for dealing with one another that are mutually beneficial, or try to hammer everyone into a one size fits all ruleset and make everyone miserable. I'm too old to be miserable, so I'll take the former. You're welcome to set up your own separate society where you strive for Real Equality This Time, For Real; I'll focus on actually having a life.

Given that vampires and werewolves in Twilight are unstoppable killing machines: yes.
Yet you're still logically addressing them like they're male and unsurprisingly, they're not responding as if they are.

This is honestly a very honest, vulnerable and realistic post.

You're like tupac mid transformation between:


And:


Time to come across the river instead of staying inside it.
 
The female power fantasy is power without responsibility and authority without accountability - the ability to do whatever you want and not only to never face consequences, but to make other people suffer the consequences of your failures.

Topping from the bottom, basically. The power to seduce anyone, the change your appearance to suit the most powerful man in the room, to remain alluring and fertile forever.

Circe is a good example of a female power fantasy, as is Viviane/Nimue - a woman who seduced a powerful magician, learned his secrets, and as soon as she matched him in power locked him away. She did not destroy him because she may need him later, and in any case she knows she can seduce him again so it's not like there will be any consequences if he escapes.

Note that the goal of a woman in this power fantasy isn't necessarily to destroy everyone and be a psycho: it's to gain attention from a powerful man, to provoke him into seizing you, and to use him and your children (especially your sons) to control other people whom you can't overpower. This is due to the asymmetries in male vs female reproduction: a successful woman can have at most 20 kids; a succesful man can have tens of thousands of kids. People are animals, we have powerful reproductive drives like other animals. A woman seeks success through a man, hence her skills in manipulation and provocation.

In fiction you have 3 tropes specifically for women: seductress, mother, and hag. Arguably a fourth: child. You can of course have gender neutral characterization, but no one who is politically correct today can do it well.


Very good analysis except that last sentence screams of incel-vibes. Most normies might say it's the rest of the post, but it isn't. That stuff is pretty solid.

There are of course many other tropes for women though. For example the muse, the shieldmaiden (arguably more in art) and the innocent/virgin.

There are these other because every woman, obviously, is not obsessed with power fantasies, a sociopath, a projecting or overbearing parent/relative or a silly dunce. And I doubt you picked mother as an example of a loving one here, considering the rest of the choices and the context of the post.

Yet you're still logically addressing them like they're male and unsurprisingly, they're not responding as if they are.

This is honestly a very honest, vulnerable and realistic post.

You're like tupac mid transformation between:


And:


Time to come across the river instead of staying inside it.


Bloody excellent post with the the addition of that you should be mindful of Tupacs full statement there "(not)... ....if youre with a cool female BUT if you're with a bitch".


I'd say this is why sexual submissiveness is relatively common among feminists and a constant topic in various circles. Their "id" gets to shine through their ego/super-ego persona in these intimate places.

But it's also a bad. mad idea to have anything to do with (some) of these "bitches", because you could end up like Julian Assange.
 
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I expected this thread to be like ‘lol idk wearing poison lipstick and killing men ala Poison Ivy’ and it’s instead full of incels talking about how they Totally Understand Women even better than they understand themselves.

What the fuck is up with the horses? Biological imperatives? Y’all all sound autistic as fuck please go outside and speak to people in the real world. Power fantasies tend to be shaped by the media we consume, our surroundings/community, and can shift depending on trends. There are horse girls, dragon girls, wolf girls, makeup girls, romance novel girls. It would be difficult to actually examine what on the whole would be a universal power fantasy because during formative years the entire world likes to shit on everything teenage girls get into so they all end up spending those years hiding a lot of shit and it carries over into their adult lives.
 
Yet you're still logically addressing them like they're male and unsurprisingly, they're not responding as if they are.

This is honestly a very honest, vulnerable and realistic post.

You're like tupac mid transformation between:


And:


Time to come across the river instead of staying inside it.
I'm just hassling them, they'll get over it. There's nothing stopping them from waltzing into a men's discussion thread, calling us all incels, and walking away, and to be honest the attention is flattering when they do so.

You never poked a wasp's nest and ran away when you were a kid?

Very good analysis except that last sentence screams of incel-vibes. Most normies might say it's the rest of the post, but it isn't. That stuff is pretty solid.

There are of course many other tropes for women though. For example the muse, the shieldmaiden (arguably more in art) and the innocent/virgin.

There are these other because every woman, obviously, is not obsessed with power fantasies, a sociopath, a projecting or overbearing parent/relative or a silly dunce. And I doubt you picked mother as an example of a loving one here, considering the rest of the choices and the context of the post.
I'm in a relationship so I really don't care about optics with people whom I don't have an IRL relationship and never will. It's not like there's anywhere else I can go on the internet to blow off steam.

Mother, Maiden, and Crone has roots in pre-Christian religion. Hardly incel-ish to comment on that. It's not like there's a huge variety of male tropes either, you have warrior, leader, scholar, trickster, or builder - pre-modern social and economic classes, in short. Everything not there is a mix of two or more of them.

The muse is usually a mix of all three: the beauty and capriciousness of the seductress/maiden, motherly care, and the hag/crone's wisdom and insight. I doubt that shieldmaidens (as in women who fought in battle) ever existed, and if they did they probably didn't survive contact with a patriarchal culture. Ingenue is maiden again.

How do power fantasies differ from normal childhood "adult role assumption" fantasies? Lack of realism? Is the lack of realism due to a lack of experience with which you can form a reliable and accurate model of the world and your place in it?

When does fantasy become pathological?
 
I'm just hassling them, they'll get over it. There's nothing stopping them from waltzing into a men's discussion thread, calling us all incels, and walking away, and to be honest the attention is flattering when they do so.

You never poked a wasp's nest and ran away when you were a kid?


I'm in a relationship so I really don't care about optics with people whom I don't have an IRL relationship and never will. It's not like there's anywhere else I can go on the internet to blow off steam.

Mother, Maiden, and Crone has roots in pre-Christian religion. Hardly incel-ish to comment on that. It's not like there's a huge variety of male tropes either, you have warrior, leader, scholar, trickster, or builder - pre-modern social and economic classes, in short. Everything not there is a mix of two or more of them.

The muse is usually a mix of all three: the beauty and capriciousness of the seductress/maiden, motherly care, and the hag/crone's wisdom and insight. I doubt that shieldmaidens (as in women who fought in battle) ever existed, and if they did they probably didn't survive contact with a patriarchal culture. Ingenue is maiden again.

How do power fantasies differ from normal childhood "adult role assumption" fantasies? Lack of realism? Is the lack of realism due to a lack of experience with which you can form a reliable and accurate model of the world and your place in it?

When does fantasy become pathological?
I'm wondering if its worth continuing this discussion on the basis that you spent several paragraphs slowly diluting your seductress into maiden instead of either just adding maiden to your list of tropes or admitting you're at least partly wrong.

Cause if anything ( and Im not conceding it) seductress is a variation of maiden, never the other way around.
 
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I'm wondering if its worth continuing this discussion on the basis that you spent several paragraphs slowly diluting your seductress into maiden instead of either just adding maiden to your list of tropes or admitting you're at least partly wrong.

Cause if anything ( and Im not conceding it) seductress is a variation of maiden, never the other way around.
Well if you want to go full autism, a seductress (Circe being the ur-example) is a maiden with the wisdom and insight of a crone and some power (probably inherited) from a divine source.
 
It would be difficult to actually examine what on the whole would be a universal power fantasy
Doesn't mean it's in no way worth it to attempt to ascertain whether such a thing exists (for men or women), thus the actually valuable parts of this thread.
 
If she was a nomad, then she was probably a foot taller than the other peasants in the army. Nomads lived on dairy and meat, while peasants ate grain gruel. Not only would she be bigger, taller, and stronger than them, but if you eat meat and dairy then you can go a few days without food with no problem, your food is dried, smoked, or fermented (doesn't need cooking fires, so no one knows where you are camped), and you are hardened by riding, walking, and hunting every day.
She wasn't a nomad, her people were pretty thoroughly sinofied by then, but yes, those are all the reasons a legend about a badass military woman would appeal to the cultural insecurity of 'civilised' people who still got insulted for being descended from nomads.

What the fuck is up with the horses? Biological imperatives?
Cowboys just wanted to be tiny vulnerable kawaii uwu girls I guess.
 
Tomb Raider was good but aside from Lara the MC it's identical to a male power fantasy.
I played Lara Croft Legends for the first time recently. And it occurred to me how she is a gender-swapped James Bond. She's a rich British person, who travels around the world getting into adventures, using various gadgets. She also is overtly sexual.
 
Never heard of the Illiad?
I said what theh fuck are you talking about not who are you talking about.

Meaning what does your new off-tanget have to do with anything. You literally confirmed what I said, that Circe is a seductress who is a maiden. Meaning that the trope is the maiden then and not the seductress. I.e. the first can be a variation of the later but never the other way around.
 
Well sinces I'm a woman I might as well chime in here.
My power fantasy
Emphasis mine. I find it curious how most of the men here sought to propose and justify generalizations for both male and female power fantasies (following the OP's curiosity for such), but most of the women who contributed anything have been talking about specifically their own.

I'm supposing the assumption among the women is that they don't find themselves qualified to make such generalizations?

There are plenty of character created by women as female power fantasies. The Sailor Scouts from Sailor Moon, for example.
Which parts of Sailor Moon are the female power fantasy, though? It's not as if the fact that they have power at all and beat up bad guys automatically makes them wholly such, especially as the plot develops and the antagonism becomes more complex.
 
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I said what theh fuck are you talking about not who are you talking about.
Oh wow, he talks like a hardass, clearly he's very masculine - but also sensitive because he stands up for the defenseless maidens of Kiwi Farms.

Why do you people believe that being inarticulate is a virtue?

It's clear that you're intent on patrolling the discourse for people who disagree with orthodoxy, and then using social shaming to corral dissenters back into the herd. Why don't you do us all a favor and buzz off back to reddit with the rest of your hive?
Meaning what does your new off-tanget have to do with anything. You literally confirmed what I said, that Circe is a seductress who is a maiden. Meaning that the trope is the maiden then and not the seductress. I.e. the first can be a variation of the later but never the other way around.
"Mix of several tropes" vs "variant of one trope, possibly with elements of others" = splitting hairs.

Well sinces I'm a woman I might as well chime in here.
My power fantasy is being able to kick ass and looking good well doing it, kind of like Bayonetta.

And as filthy horse girl I'll answer the horse question for you guys.
Horses are cool and its fun to ride them. Simple as that.
To be fair both times I "rode" a horse I felt like I was going to die, and everyone seems to agree on that point, so I'll concede it.
 
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