Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

[Hippopatumus]

Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?

You need to get your brain checked out.

 

[Evilronald]

Noted. This is all new information to me and what I initially stated was what I'd gathered from a cursory overview of the facts.

So the weapon was in Kenosha already and the argument of self-defense is being made. That dramatically changes the light in which my original assumptions were made. Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?

Again, I've noticed that both sides of the media have done their shit best to demonize both sides of the conflict here, and in my particular point of view, the focus of the case should be the incident itself, not the particular background of any of the parties.

Let it be clearly noted that this is MY OWN personal opinion and that it has no legal weight or bearing on the current proceedings, but regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

Is Kyle having crippling PTSD not sufficient? How about him being unable to live a normal life and having crazed leftists wanting him dead? He shouldn’t have been there, but neither should the rioters. And those lives were lost because the local and state government failed to do their job. If anyone should be charged for those deaths, it’s the police chief, the governor, and the mayor.

All 4 of the individuals rittenhouse shot at spent their entire lives terrorizing people, and all 4 of them had assaulted women related to them or dating them. I don’t consider 2 dead felons to be “lives,” if anything they were a net drag on their friends and family when they lived. Rittenhouse isn’t a hero and he shouldn’t have been there, but these pieces of shit should never have attacked him either. As far as I’m concerned: they got what they deserved.

 

[Ceral Funt]

Does this sentiment hold true for you in all cases of self defense? If a woman walks into a bad neighborhood and ends up defending herself from a would be mugger, should she be held accountable if she takes their life in the process of doing so?

If the answer is no, you should ask yourself what it is that motivates your fence-sitting on this issue.

Fair point. I respectfully concede.

My ass. You "gathered" it from people spewing bullshit on Twitter.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah NO. I don't even have a Twitter account -- I have enough shit going on in my actual real life, why would I want to add any more toxicity from that festering cesspool? I've literally only read a couple of news articles and some pages of this thread, and that's it. But sure, keep assuming, faggot.

EDIT: In any case, I believe I've been informed enough of everything I wanted to know about the situation, and don't feel any need or interest to continue interacting with this thread any longer. To those who responded to my messages civilly and in an informative manner, thanks. I'm out.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

"Fine, then let's test the rifle to see how much FMJ overpenetrates."

Get Binger in there to teach them safe handling of firearms.

 

[MooseGump]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah NO. I don't even have a Twitter account -- I have enough shit going on in my actual real life, why would I want to add any more toxicity from that festering cesspool? I've literally only read a couple of news articles and some pages of this thread, and that's it. But sure, keep assuming, faggot.

You totally have a twitter account lol

lol he left like a feral cunt

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah NO. I don't even have a Twitter account -- I have enough shit going on in my actual real life, why would I want to add any more toxicity from that festering cesspool? I've literally only read a couple of news articles and some pages of this thread, and that's it. But sure, keep assuming, faggot.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Serious question, what the hell do you guys actually want the defense to -do- here? They cannot admit new evidence and are at the mercy of the judge. Said judge is absolutely hell-bent on not making a ruling and having it go to the jury.

What do you -think- they should -do-?

File motions about Jump Kick Man and the One Armed Bandit -- both are additional Brady violations, or at least might be. The former the Prosecution knew about and lied to the court about, the latter the Prosecution is on the record as having stopped a search warrant, which implies they were intentionally preventing evidence from being gained. They should also be finding the biggest baddest digital forensics expert they can find to track down exactly what Lunchbox did with that video file before getting it to them. Amateur autistics on twitter already found that it was edited using Apple Quicktime (not surprising, honestly) which means it absolutely was not the original drone footage -- either version, the HD or SD versions.

The Judge wanted to put them under oath about that, not sure if that was just him blustering or if there's a hearing coming up. I presume a hearing would open the door for an expert to testify et all.

I'm presuming Kyle will walk, but I'd also be planning for this to be motherfucking clown world and them to get him on all counts. So they should be using this time to set up for appeals while they still can.

 

[Michael Janke]

there will be a blood moon today. the day we speculate the final verdict comes in.
it also happens to be the day Chris Chan and Shadman go to court
the merge might be real
edit: the vic mignona thing might be going down today as well. im not sure about that one. what are the odds?

 

[What the shit]

Fair point. I respectfully concede.


Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah NO. I don't even have a Twitter account -- I have enough shit going on in my actual real life, why would I want to add any more toxicity from that festering cesspool? I've literally only read a couple of news articles and some pages of this thread, and that's it. But sure, keep assuming, faggot.

EDIT: In any case, I believe I've been informed enough of everything I wanted to know about the situation, and don't feel any need or interest to continue interacting with this thread any longer. To those who responded to my messages civilly and in an informative manner, thanks. I'm out.

I appreciate your opinion earlier and everyone elses.

 

[Uncle Buck]

...lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

It seems to me that "the authors of said actions" were the criminals/insurrectionists engaged in domestic terrorism in Kenosha. But I suppose people should just allow themselves to be the victims of violent crime and insurrection to satisfy your belief in the sanctity of their [worthless] lives?

 

[DumbDude42]

I'm more this is similar to Pre-Franco Spain, so many agitators are either bought and paid for by foreign interests or true believers in Maoism or some shit. The Republicans of Spain were basically a Soviet Puppet government if you look deep enough. Courts and other shit was controlled so that Justice was levied in an openly biased manner like now with DAs not pressing charged. You had more than a few political dissidents assassinated by non-elected officials, I forget who some autist here probably knows, but there was one case of a Intelligence officer killing a mildly popular right-wing figure. Even the election leading to the coup was wildly contested.

notably, this guy:

José Calvo Sotelo - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

he was a conservative monarchist, and a member of parliament. after a socialist police chief was assassinated by a falangist, a group of policemen came to this guys house, arrested him, and later murdered him in custody. no charges brought against him, not even the pretense of a trial, just straight up revenge-killed by police on the spot.


also, that guy:

José Antonio Primo de Rivera - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Spoiler

On March 14, 1936, he was arrested in Madrid and charged with illegal possession of firearms (at that time, Spain was awash in privately held weapons on the part of all political factions).[25] Nine weeks later he was transferred to the prison in Alicante. In both Madrid and in Alicante, he was able to maintain intermittent secret contact with the Falange leadership and, several times, with General Emilio Mola. On October 3 he was charged with conspiracy against the Republic and military insurrection, both capital offences, even though he had been imprisoned long before the insurrection of July 18. Primo de Rivera conducted his own defence.[26] On November 18 he was found guilty by a people's tribunal and sentenced to death by firing squad. The three career judges who participated in the trial, along with the popular tribunal, asked for the death sentence be commuted to life imprisonment but this was rejected by the majority of government ministers (the two ministers from Izquierda Republicana voted against the death sentence).[27] The sentence was carried out on November 20 by local authorities in Alicante.

tl;dr he was the founder of the falange, a small fascist party and paramilitary, the republicans had him arrested some time before the civil war started, then shortly after the war began they sentenced him to death for conspiracy against the republic in a show trial, and executed him.

 

[Gehenna]

File motions about Jump Kick Man and the One Armed Bandit -- both are additional Brady violations, or at least might be. The former the Prosecution knew about and lied to the court about, the latter the Prosecution is on the record as having stopped a search warrant, which implies they were intentionally preventing evidence from being gained. They should also be finding the biggest baddest digital forensics expert they can find to track down exactly what Lunchbox did with that video file before getting it to them. Amateur autistics on twitter already found that it was edited using Apple Quicktime (not surprising, honestly) which means it absolutely was not the original drone footage -- either version, the HD or SD versions.

The Judge wanted to put them under oath about that, not sure if that was just him blustering or if there's a hearing coming up. I presume a hearing would open the door for an expert to testify et all.

I'm presuming Kyle will walk, but I'd also be planning for this to be motherfucking clown world and them to get him on all counts. So they should be using this time to set up for appeals while they still can.

Again, all stuff we'd not see, which makes the people bitching about the defense not doing anything... kinda null and void. Again though, like the other person who brought similar things up, I -do- agree that is the best bet.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

I appreciate your opinion earlier and everyone elses.

Gayest post of the thread award! Congratulations--it's quite an achievement!

 

[Happy Fish]

Noted. This is all new information to me and what I initially stated was what I'd gathered from a cursory overview of the facts.

So the weapon was in Kenosha already and the argument of self-defense is being made. That dramatically changes the light in which my original assumptions were made. Still, I believe that even if it was in self-defense, something like manslaughter (maybe involuntary) might be applicable here?

Again, I've noticed that both sides of the media have done their shit best to demonize both sides of the conflict here, and in my particular point of view, the focus of the case should be the incident itself, not the particular background of any of the parties.

Let it be clearly noted that this is MY OWN personal opinion and that it has no legal weight or bearing on the current proceedings, but regardless of what either men did or didn't do, lives were taken that day, and even if it was justifiable self-defense, there should be some sort of repercussion or consequence to the author of said actions.

The consequence should be that Kyle gets a medal for taking out pedophiles and antifa

 

[What the shit]

Gayest post of the thread award! Congratulations--it's quite an achievement!

Thanks fren!

The consequence should be that Kyle gets a medal for taking out pedophiles and antifa

If only that we're the case, but here we are in the 3rd day of deliberation.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

We will see a dynamite instruction before he declares it a mistrial.

Dynamite Instruction is... "I don't believe you can't come to a decision, I'm sequestering you until you do?" That sort of deal?

 

[waffle]

I'd note that none of that is stuff we'd see. It's all off-camera. But I do agree.

I think the judge is going to feel locked in to having the evidentiary hearing in public so it doesn't look secret, but yeah it seems like there's a lot of off written correspondence about the mistrial/evidence issues.

 

[mindlessobserver]

there will be a blood moon today. the day we speculate the final verdict comes in.
it also happens to be the day Chris Chan and Shadman go to court
the merge might be real
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Just to throw more autism on the pile here, the Vic Mignogna appeal could come down today too.

 

[Gehenna]

Dynamite Instruction is... "I don't believe you can't come to a decision, I'm sequestering you until you do?" That sort of deal?

Basically! At least as far as I know, would be better to ask @AnOminous

 

[Michael Janke]

Just to throw more autism on the pile here, the Vic Mignogna appeal could come down today too.

what are the fucking odds?
i'll add it to the OP