What is the female power fantasy ?

[The Ugly One]

Well half of them will be men, but I'm fucking shocked how often it's women as well. Without exception, if you give women the opportunity to go full bimbo slut they will always take it. Been playing FF14 the last year, and the women consistently go for fetish outfits

There's a reason both men's and women's magazines have hot babes on the front. I mean, back when people still bought magazines. Now they just put troons on the cover.

 

[Left Ass Cheek]

There's a reason both men's and women's magazines have hot babes on the front. I mean, back when people still bought magazines. Now they just put troons on the cover.

What's the troon power fantasy? Don't say being a Discord janny. That's very much a reality.

 

[TV's Adam West]

You asked a question you certainly know the answer to, and-- it would now appear-- has nothing to do with any conversational tangent here, except maybe targeting a supposed insecurity.

Not picking up on that was foolish of me. I thought we were still talking about dad bods. Should have cut that conversation, too.


Imagine going out with you.

After you have fights with your boyfriend where you weaponize what you believe to be his insecurities, and self-justify electing to be a fetid cunt by alleging that you're only embracing a villainy supposedly imputed onto you, you storyboard with your friends fiction where he's emasculated in various ways to work out the steam.


what the fuck are you going on about

My girlfriend gave me permission to call you a dumb nigger

 

[The Ugly One]

What's the troon power fantasy? Don't say being a Discord janny. That's very much a reality.

Being able to force themselves to accept that they're actually women.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Reading this thread makes me want to go make some popcorn.

The issue is the way you’re going about this. You (and others in this thread) are basically rambling about things that could conceivably be a power fantasy but your rhetoric is condescending and overbearing. You also don’t seem to understand that there are women in this thread telling you that isn’t how they feel and you’re brushing that off as individualism. A better solution for you would be to look into what these women are saying and find the things similar or different about them and extrapolate from there what could be driving those decisions. I’m not trying to be a dick here, I really think you’re trying. I just don’t think you’re taking from the conversation what you need for a valid argument in your favor.

I really hope Zero Day Defense actually reads this thread and takes it to heart instead of just going on another tirade.

What's the troon power fantasy? Don't say being a Discord janny. That's very much a reality.

The troon power fantasy is pretty much the textbook definition of autogynephilia

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

In case you missed it. And in case you still don't get it: "not all women".

Yes, I did check.

My point was that I was seeing a trend in how men and women were responding, where men almost always attempted to make detached observations (whether of women, or both men and women as part of a comparison) whereas women would almost always relay self-observations-- if they weren't chastising men for their approach.

I was asking about an interesting pattern because I was genuinely curious about it. Observe:

So, spare me your passive aggression, and stop imputing moral value to power fantasies. They both generally make for low quality and largely uninteresting stories that people only read to indulge themselves in a fiction where their desires can directly control the trajectory of their lives. The value of talking about them is in-- perhaps-- coming to a better understanding of the fundamental desires of men and women.

Shit, feel free to leverage your understanding of men in order to give your theory on what men look for in their power fantasies and why. The "worst" that could happen is that you might be contradicted, but nobody's gonna call you a femcel or imply you're a pedophile for trying.

inb4 tl;dr, again

If someone understands women, it's definitely the incel

 

[Cilleystring]

If someone understands women, it's definitely the incel

I could see incels making the argument that they provide an outside perspective and unbiased account on how women truly think and behave. I'm sure that's been said many times on those forums.

 

[The Ugly One]

Re: thread topic

I asked a woman about this once. She said, "Oh, that's easy. Everyone adoring my radiant smile and long, flowing hair."

 

[Tour of Italy]

At this point I'm pretty sure the female power fantasy is making 11 other jurors put up with your bullshit for four days while you try to whine your way into a conviction.

 

[Pee Cola]

Here I was, thinking that the female power fantasy question was answered in 1997.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

There's MY female fantasy to you.

What if I like to be slapped?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

What are YOU on about? The thread was about a "female power fantasy," you come in and try to tell OTHER women that their perceived fantasy is incorrect.

When did I say that?

“But he pushed me first!”

More like "it takes two to tango".

*has spent the entire thread writing autistic flowery freudian essays*

"what the fuck are you going on about"

..I did say that, yes. It's a comment that has nothing to do with anything or anyone that exists here.

You (and others in this thread) are basically rambling about things that could conceivably be a power fantasy but your rhetoric is condescending and overbearing.

Coerce the argument into mutual level-headedness as you give your contribution, don't participate in/withdraw from the conversation, or expect the breakdown that will almost inevitably follow in lobbing meaningless insults. I can't control anybody else, and nobody can control the tonal impressions anyone gets from anyone else.

Tone policing is bullshit, especially in totally opt-in and opt-out conversations.

You also don’t seem to understand that there are women in this thread telling you that isn’t how they feel and you’re brushing that off as individualism.

At a more productive point in this thread, the conversations I had on this front roughly resembled:

"I reckon women overall have strong interest in fiction such as X (as supported by its sales and enduring cultural presence) because it appeals to some set A, B, and C of seemingly common female traits and desires."

"Not all women are like that. I'm not like that. I've never heard any woman claim that."

"I didn't claim all women were like that, I was making a generalization based on what I made it on. Is there a reason why I should take you and your personal experiences as even vaguely generally representative?"

We're an abnormal population sample and I know close to nothing about most of you-- that italicized question is especially pertinent. Yet I think I was expected to just accept the argument because the person saying it said she was a woman, and not because she was in a special position that lent gravity to her observation (no, being an individual woman, by itself, doesn't lend that).

You claim:

A better solution for you would be to look into what these women are saying and find the things similar or different about them and extrapolate from there what could be driving those decisions.

but why would that be a better solution?

You're asking that I attempt to grok the motivations of a small, completely opt-in, naturally abnormal sample size, in pursuit of an effective generalization for a global subculture. This is despite the fact that nearly all the people in said group only ever talked about their power fantasy, without trying to contrast it with any other proposed group or contradict any generalized theory given.

Why should I do that, when their perspectives are framed as "speaking-for-myself"? And are you claiming I should do so in place of considering other groups that are much larger and broader? If not, why are the statements of ~13 people (I'm spitballing, here) making inherently individual statements a sufficient contradiction or elucidation of millions of people making directed time and money investments? Why would they provide any strong insight to their comparatively extremely large subculture, by themselves?

Even saying there's no such thing as a "proper generalization" would be a more relevant argument, because the validity of such an argument preempts the entire conversation by attacking the assumption that a generalization can be made.

My girlfriend gave me permission to call you a dumb nigger

But did Tyrone consent?

 

[What the shit]

Tone policing is bullshit, especially in totally opt-in and opt-out conversations.

It's not bullshit though if you're trying to have a reasonable conversation. Having a shitty tone won't lend well to anything you're trying to argue.

 

[Mal0]

But did Tyrone consent?

No worries lil' nigga, I told him he could. Just meant no new funko pops this week

 

[Zero Day Defense]

It's not bullshit though if you're trying to have a reasonable conversation.

Which is why I say:

Coerce the argument into mutual level-headedness as you give your contribution, don't participate in/withdraw from the conversation, or expect the breakdown that will almost inevitably follow in lobbing meaningless insults.

Saying "you're being mean" isn't a valuable statement. Is the other person going to stop being mean in response? You only know for sure that you want to have the conversation.

No worries lil' nigga, I told him he could. Just meant no new funko pops this week

Truly, you're a merciful bull. My understanding is that the penalty is a reverse buck breaking.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I guess if you want to bitch about white women do that, too.

You sly motherfucker, you knew exactly what you were doing.

(And your honeypot was a hilarious success. My hat is off to you, sir.)

 

[What the shit]

Which is why I say:

But she obviously has no ill-will towards you in any way. She was clear, concise, and polite about making a claim about you.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

But she obviously has no ill-will towards you in any way.

Which is why I don't address her with poor temper in my response. Which is why I take the time to be as cogent and concise as I can.

That doesn't mean that I'm not going to call tone policing, in completely optional conversations, bullshit.

Because it is.

 

[HullDown]

Just to try and salvage the OP, can actual flesh-and-blood females (tips Trilby) point to an actual book, tv series, movie or game that has a 1) mainly female audience and 2) whose appeal is mostly in being a power fantasy for their audience? Maybe talk about the media and how they experience it a bit? I can understand how having only men talk about women's media and the tropes in it can be tiring, but having men talk about media and women commenting about the men talking about media and men talking about the women talking about the men talking about media... I am afraid the thread is going full recursive

 

[What the shit]

Which is why I don't address her with poor temper in my response. Which is why I take the time to be as cogent and concise as I can.

That doesn't mean that I'm not going to call tone policing, in completely optional conversations, bullshit.

Because it is.

So Mr ZDD, what is the main thing you are trying to argue?