Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Random Internet Person]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1461385398937128961?s=21

 

[Dog-O-Tron 5000v5.0]

Listen buddy, natural immunity and cross-immunity to related pathogens are a right-wing conspiracy, mkay?

The only Safe and Effective (TM) way to protect yourself and your community from Smallpox is the FDA-approved Pfizer mRNA Smallpox Vaccine. Find vaccines near you at healfkare.guv!

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Smallpox is a nothingburger. It doesnt mutate like coof and vaccines that have been proven over 100+ years are readily available...its a non story. Same with bird-flu..the traditional vaccines are literally ready for it.

Covid however mutates a bit much. Vaccination is pointless.


Anybody thinking smallpox or bird flu is a big deal is retarded. It doesnt mutate.

 

[Cycleye]

I wonder if there is any hope, Luke. I have been having a wander around fittstimnet...sorry, i mean mumsnet and the corona pages there. Fucking hell! what a bunch of deluded retards. They are just parroting the same old shit back and forth at each other and swimming in cope. They all have access yo the internet, can read and hopefully use calculators but it is just pages of bullcrap. Hopefully very few of them are mums as the kids are going to turn out really bad, in all sorts of ways.
A great majority on that site, in all subjects not just c19, need their voting rights taken away, along with keyboards. The sane women of the world will absolutely benefit if that happend. It is like some kind of circle jerk place for cat ladies, gin heads, really bad mothers(ironic), and retarded 20 somethings except the latter are probably in their 50's.

 

[jje100010001]

Smallpox is a nothingburger. It doesnt mutate like coof and vaccines that have been proven over 100+ years are readily available...its a non story. Same with bird-flu..the traditional vaccines are literally ready for it.

Covid however mutates a bit much. Vaccination is pointless.


Anybody thinking smallpox or bird flu is a big deal is exceptional. It doesnt mutate.

If there is a 'smallpox pandemic' as per the schizoidposts, then I do expect some mutant version of smallpox to be introduced to the public, just like how the coronavirus looks to have originated from a lab.

While this nu-smallpox won't mutate as quickly as coronaviruses, the new vaccines for it also won't be in the hands of the public.

 

[Cycleye]

If there is a 'smallpox pandemic' as per the schizoidposts, then I do expect some mutant version of smallpox to be introduced to the public, just like how the coronavirus looks to have originated from a lab.

While this nu-smallpox won't mutate as quickly as coronaviruses, the new vaccines for it also won't be in the hands of the public.

They can call it Largepox or Bigpox then add plus signs or the word,plus. Quite like the sound of BigpoxPlus. I think it would sell well.

 

[NoReturn]

Well there is that case of the Spiegel journalist getting caught red-handed outright fabricating testimonies from alleged Syrians some years ago.

Spoiler: Reminds me of this

I went all through 2020 without knowing anyone whose significant other or anyone close to them "died suddenly and unexpectedly." Now it's happening multiple times in a week, and another friend's husband died suddenly in a similar age bracket in the week before.

How are they even handling that? I can't imagine how much that would hurt.

 

[Derka Derka]

Not suspicious at all ..

FDA Asks Federal Judge For Permission to Withhold Pfizer COVID-19 Jab Data Until 2076 - NWT

Share The Story While that headline seems like clickbait, it’s a legitimate request the FDA made to a federal judge. The federal agency wants to withhold the full disclosure of the data and information of Pfizer’s COVID-19 injection for 55 years. Yet, they have no qualms approving the...

newzworldtoday.com

"While that headline seems like clickbait, it’s a legitimate request the FDA made to a federal judge.
The federal agency wants to withhold the full disclosure of the data and information of Pfizer’s COVID-19 injection for 55 years."

 

[Escaped Abortion]

Smallpox is a nothingburger. It doesnt mutate like coof and vaccines that have been proven over 100+ years are readily available...its a non story. Same with bird-flu..the traditional vaccines are literally ready for it.

Covid however mutates a bit much. Vaccination is pointless.


Anybody thinking smallpox or bird flu is a big deal is exceptional. It doesnt mutate.

Admittedly, anyone born after like 1980 globally or what, 1970 in the US has not had the small pox vaccine or any exposure. Well, I did meet a girl once who had cowpox. The rest of us in that age range would be naive, so we would have to go get that shot, if they are even still produced since we erradicated that.

They would probably replace it with mRNA just to spite us.

If small pox suddenly comes back, you know it was bad actors, and sadly a bunch of use would probably be exposed before we could get the vaccine, mutation or not. It would just leave the boomers. So between it and covid, they can wipe the world clean.

 

[SCSI]

@chiobu

You should also post the actual document that mentions the 55 years.

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Second-Joint-Status-Report-8989f1fed17e2d919391d8df1978006e.pdf

Archived here: https://archive.md/9gKmh

<snip>

Well, as the on-screen text at the end of an episode of my favorite series once read: "To Be Continued".

Archive didn't capture the whole doc, attached a copy to this post.

Not suspicious at all ..

FDA Asks Federal Judge For Permission to Withhold Pfizer COVID-19 Jab Data Until 2076 - NWT

Share The Story While that headline seems like clickbait, it’s a legitimate request the FDA made to a federal judge. The federal agency wants to withhold the full disclosure of the data and information of Pfizer’s COVID-19 injection for 55 years. Yet, they have no qualms approving the...

newzworldtoday.com

"While that headline seems like clickbait, it’s a legitimate request the FDA made to a federal judge.
The federal agency wants to withhold the full disclosure of the data and information of Pfizer’s COVID-19 injection for 55 years."

Read through the 14 page filing and achieved sufficient fury to motivate me to legalragesperg on eDiscovery and the absolute bag of rancid ass the FDA's proposed 2076 due date is. Spoilered because long, ranty, and not going to be interesting to a ton of people. But for those who want to know more about why the FDA is full of shit, click the spoiler and enjoy.

Spoiler: Rum-Fueled Legal Ranting With SCSI

A processing schedule is necessary because many different types of information are exempt from the FOIA, such that the government must redact that information before providing responsive records to the plaintiff. See 5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(1)–(b)(9). Reviewing and redacting records for exempt information is a time-consuming process that often requires government information specialists to review each page line-by-line. When a party requests a large amount of records, like Plaintiff did here, courts typically set a schedule whereby the processing and production of the non-exempt portions of records is made on a rolling basis.

Boo fucking hoo, this is standard practice for *all* forms of litigation. This is why every single piece of litigation that involves the production of documents (ie fucking all of them) involves at least one attorney who is dedicated to reviewing for privileged info and performing the redactions, whether its old school Sharpie on paper or modern day "click and draw a black box over it" in an electronic review software suite. Much of the info that gets redacted is well-known and standardized -- SSNs, credit cards, non-relevant personal medical history, etc.

In this case, FDA has assessed that there are more than 329,000 pages potentially responsive to Plaintiff’s FOIA request. (This page count is under-inclusive of the material responsive to the request, as it does not include certain types of records that cannot be meaningfully paginated, such as data captured in spreadsheets that contain thousands of rows of data.) The parties have conferred in good faith concerning a processing schedule, but have been unable to reach agreement for the reasons set forth in the parties’ Joint Report. See ECF No. 18.

Oh noooo, 329,000 non-spreadsheet pages! (Yes I know there is more than that, Excels aren't counted in this list and are pure Spreadsheet Satan. They can cry me a river.) For modern document-oriented litigation, this is not some unreasonable, freakishly-large request. I personally saw requests this size for <DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCY> process start to finish in one month or less on a routine basis. And that means one month to handle receipt, ingest, tiff imaging of the native Word/Excel/whatever, review, redaction, metadata processing, troubleshooting all the above when something inevitably fucked up, and final production and physically shipping a hard drive full of shit to Some Dude. Did I mention this kind of a pace was achieved circa 2015?

After the December 1 production, FDA proposes to work through the list of documents that Plaintiff requested FDA prioritize for production in order of priority and process and release the non-exempt portions of those records to Plaintiff on a rolling basis. FDA proposes to process and produce the non-exempt portions of responsive records at a rate of 500 pages per month. This rate is consistent with processing schedules entered by courts across the country in FOIA cases.3

<audible aneurysm> 500 pages a month is an insulting joke. Are these attorneys working 20 minutes per day? While drunk (scratch that, drunk is an industry standard in law, and I personally can work faster than this after downing shots of tequila all evening) nodding on fentanyl? I saw a lone doc review attorney turn around a request involving technical mechanical engineering data with a pagecount higher than this in 48 hours, and I don't mean billable hours. Hell, I've seen more mundane 500 page requests turn around in under 5 hours -- which I guarantee you a lot of this magical 329K pages is boilerplate junk you can tell has no priv info at a glance, even if you barely read English.

Plaintiff’s request (as set forth below) that FDA process and produce the non-exempt portions of more than 329,000 pages in four months would force FDA to process more than 80,000 pages per month. Undersigned counsel is not aware of any court ever granting such a request.

If 80K pages/month is utterly unthinkable for FOIA work, this shit is broken and normal litigants should riot, because 80K pages per week of complex banking data was routinely turned around every single week for <BIG FINANCE> in 2008. If private litigants are required to do it, Uncle Sam needs to put on his big boy lawyer pants and keep up.

To ensure protection of this information, and other information subject to withholding under the FOIA exemptions, FDA must carefully review and, if necessary, redact exempt information on a line-by-line basis.

Yes, this is how redaction works. You have to read the words on the page. Cry more.

Second, the FDA does not have the personnel or resources in its FOIA office to process Plaintiff’s FOIA request at a rate of more than 80,000 pages per month.

What.

The Branch has a total of ten employees, including the director and two trainees.

<sound of head hitting desk>

Here's a solution -- hire temporary contract doc review attorneys like everyone else on the planet does. They get paid less than some retail employees these days. (Law is shit kids, don't work in this industry!) You can even hire pajeets in Bangalore to review your USA data and make decisions on relevancy and priv status, and its magically not practicing law without a license, because the corrupt assholes at the ABA sold everyone out on this matter 20 years ago.

Moreover, FDA’s FOIA office does not have nearly the same level of personnel or resources dedicated to process FOIA requests as FDA has marshaled to review license applications for live-saving products in the middle of a pandemic.

See above. Also, cry more.

It adequately balances the interests of the Plaintiff in responsive records with the interests of the vaccine sponsor in the protection of its confidential information, the interests of clinical trial participants in the protection of their personal privacy information, and the interests of other FOIA requesters whose requests are being processed alongside Plaintiff’s.

No.

The FDA has proposed to produce 500 pages per month which, based on its calculated number of pages, would mean it would complete its production in nearly 55 years – the year 2076. Until the entire body of documents provided by Pfizer to the FDA are made available, anappropriate analysis by the independent scientists that are members of Plaintiff is not possible. Would the FDA agree to review and license this product without all the documents? Of course not.

It took the FDA precisely 108 days from when Pfizer started producing the records for licensure on May 7, 2021,14 to when the product was licensed on August 23, 2021. We assume, as the FDA has stated, that it conducted an intense, robust, thorough and complete review and analysis of those documents in order to assure that the Pfizer vaccine was safe and effective for licensure.

Plaintiff respectfully requests that the Court enter an order requiring the FDA to produce all documents and data submitted by Pfizer on a rolling basis such that all of it shall be produced on or before March 3, 2022, which is 108 days from today. To require less is to render FOIA meaningless, the FDA’s promise of transparency a lie, and to send a signal to every American that while the federal executive branch is shielding Pfizer from any liability for injuries from its product and requiring employers, schools, hospitals and the military to expel those that don’t receive this product, it is protecting the very documents Pfizer provided to our taxpayer-funded health agency
to obtain licensure to be able to sell this product.

Yes.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Smallpox is a nothingburger.

Variola major has a death rate of 10-30%. That's 1 in 10 to 3 in 10 people dead.
That means some of us here on this thread now would be dead, and almost all of us would directly know someone who died.

Further, Smallpox isn't like COVID with a high % of mild/asymptomatic cases. If you get Variola, you will know you have fucking Smallpox and it will fucking suck.

Anybody thinking smallpox or bird flu is a big deal is exceptional. It doesnt mutate.

Mutation isn't inherently a negative, dumbass. If anything its a positive, since it accelerates viral evolution, which favors less lethal and more transmissible traits.

You have a habit of saying shit that is so fucking stupid with such a high frequency that I'm almost inclined to believe that you are trolling, but I have the gut feeling you actually believe most of the shit you type out.

 

[borsabil]

Austria's focus shifts to full lockdown as COVID-19 cases keep rising

Pressure on Austria's government to impose a full COVID-19 lockdown grew on Thursday as its worst-hit provinces said they would adopt the measure for themselves since infections are still rising despite the current lockdown for the unvaccinated.

www.reuters.com

VIENNA, Nov 18 (Reuters) - Pressure on Austria's government to impose a full COVID-19 lockdown grew on Thursday as its worst-hit provinces said they would adopt the measure for themselves since infections are still rising despite the current lockdown for the unvaccinated.

Roughly 66% of Austria's population is fully vaccinated, one of the lowest rates in western Europe. Its infections are among the highest on the continent, with a seven-day incidence of 971.5 per 100,000 people.

65% isn't low it's higher than the US and about the same as the UK. Other places with higher rates are jabbing 12+ children.

Anyway they've been keeping purbloods under house arrest for a week and this is the result.

Speculation was that separating mudbloods and purebloods would only accelerate viral transmission, due to the maladapted immune response in the vaccinated. Speculation has become reality.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

Austria's focus shifts to full lockdown as COVID-19 cases keep rising

Pressure on Austria's government to impose a full COVID-19 lockdown grew on Thursday as its worst-hit provinces said they would adopt the measure for themselves since infections are still rising despite the current lockdown for the unvaccinated.

www.reuters.com

65% isn't low it's higher than the US and about the same as the UK. Other places with higher rates are jabbing 12+ children.

Anyway they've been keeping purbloods under house arrest for a week and this is the result.

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Speculation was that separating mudbloods and purebloods would only accelerate viral transmission, due to the maladapted immune response in the vaccinated. Speculation has become reality.

Welcome to the last year.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

Everyone has fallen for a complete fallacy. The lie is the media cares.

That's it.

It is all a lie. And MSNBC is part of it. Those corrupt sellouts.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

The terrible reality.

They want all of this. According to them, you are the cause. Think about that.

 

[Übertroon]

Austria's focus shifts to full lockdown as COVID-19 cases keep rising

Pressure on Austria's government to impose a full COVID-19 lockdown grew on Thursday as its worst-hit provinces said they would adopt the measure for themselves since infections are still rising despite the current lockdown for the unvaccinated.

www.reuters.com

65% isn't low it's higher than the US and about the same as the UK. Other places with higher rates are jabbing 12+ children.

Anyway they've been keeping purbloods under house arrest for a week and this is the result.

View attachment 2730447

Speculation was that separating mudbloods and purebloods would only accelerate viral transmission, due to the maladapted immune response in the vaccinated. Speculation has become reality.

Austrian politics is a mess. They had a right wing coalition toppled because a pro immigration Iranian orchestrated a sting operation where the leaders of the coalition partner party said they would be willing to LEGALLY reward a russian oligarch for funding a anti islam campaign.
They then did the whole Trump saga thing where the Stasi knocked down doors and confiscated electronic communication to get them on charges not related to the Russian conspiracy that started the investigation.

And now the new coalition partner is the green party who would likely slit the throats of every white person in Europe if given the opportunity

 

[Nique la mere de Macron]

Austrian politics is a mess. They had a right wing coalition toppled because a pro immigration Iranian orchestrated a sting operation where the leaders of the coalition partner party said they would be willing to LEGALLY reward a russian oligarch for funding a anti islam campaign.
They then did the whole Trump saga thing where the Stasi knocked down doors and confiscated electronic communication to get them on charges not related to the Russian conspiracy that started the investigation.

And now the new coalition partner is the green party who would likely slit the throats of every white person in Europe if given the opportunity

I am not sad at all that those Austrian fuckers who thought it was fine and dandy to put 1/3 of the population under house arrest could soon be experiencing the sweet sensation of the boot on their collaborating necks.

"And then they came for me...."

ETA: There was a "contact case" of Covid in this community (a ten-year-old who I am pretty sure is not actually sick) and now two of my kids are stuck in quarantine for seven days despite their negative tests.

That isn't the interesting part, which is that my guy, who has successfully avoided the PCR tests until now, decided for some ridiculous reason that as long as he was getting the kids tested at the lab, he would do it too, not realizing (which he now does) that many people find these tests to be painful and humiliating.

Here's a paraphrased version of the conversation. When the lab tech asked if he was vaxxed, my dude replied, "Would it mean that we won't have to do these tests, and we won't have to wear masks? Would it change anything? Does it keep me from getting Covid?" Lab tech: "No." My dude: "Well, I'm not getting vaxxed then." Lab tech: "I agree with you."

These "conversations with the vaxxed" are actually not that unusual, but it's the first one either of us have had in an actual medical environment.

 

[PittyKitty]

@chiobu

You should also post the actual document that mentions the 55 years.

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/020-Second-Joint-Status-Report-8989f1fed17e2d919391d8df1978006e.pdf

Archived here: https://archive.md/9gKmh

Take from the website of Siri Glimstad, the law firm which is operating on behalf of that group of scientists for transparency.

It's an ongoing legal battle, it seems.

These are the arguments of the FDA for refusing to immediately release all the Pfizer data they based their decision on:

- It's a 329'000 page document, and the FDA FOIA department (who are in charge of releasing requested data to the public) is staffed by 10 people and currently have a backlog of 400 other FOIA requests.

- They asked the plaintiffs to narrow down their request to more specific records, but apparently the plaintiffs refused to do so.

- Thus the FDA will only be able to release the data at a rate of 500 pages a month (@Virgo), so that the last batch will be released sometime in the year 2076. Aha! I hear you say, surely there'll be already enough juicy stuff popping up much earlier than that since they're not actually withholding the whole data until 2076. But a proper independent evaluation of this data is not appropriate until the whole set of 329'000 pages is released, rendering the partial dataset released earlier technically useless. Probably because the very last page of the mammoth document that they decide to release in 2076 contains a notary approved statement that "Everything in the previous 328'999 pages was a lie lololol I was only pretending to be exceptional".

Now the counterargument is based on two points:
- The FDA still managed to assess this gigantic 329k page document in 108 days (time elapsed between Pfizer's release of the data and the FDA's approval in mid-August 2021). Now it takes them 55 years to process it for public release?
- The FDA was well aware of the public interest surrounding this case and should have been prepared for a request of data release by concerned citizens,

Well, as the on-screen text at the end of an episode of my favorite series once read: "To Be Continued".

Maybe im stupid here but can someone explain ti me how were they able to read, digest, understand and made the decision about all this Pfizer documents within a year but are unable to just submit them to the public and needs 50 years to do?

Am i missing something here? Wouldn't be easier to release all documents than comprehend tham?

 

[SCSI]

Maybe im stupid here but can someone explain ti me how were they able to read, digest, understand and made the decision about all this Pfizer documents within a year but are unable to just submit them to the public and needs 50 years to do?

Am i missing something here? Wouldn't be easier to release all documents than comprehend tham?

It would be much faster to just release everything, but legally, they can't. The stuff they have from Pfizer is certain to contain a variety of what's called "privileged information", in legal parlance. This is a catch-all term for data that basically can't be asked about, for various reason. In this context, its likely to be things like PII and medical info belonging to trial test subjects, especially if it doesn't relate to the vaccine itself (like, say, a guy has a congenital heart defect or chlamydia or whatever), and also trade secrets belonging to Pfizer. Stuff that's subject to intellectual property protection, like the precise manufacturing process. If they release that kind of data to a third party (the guys making the FOIA request), Pfizer/the medical subjects could sue the shit out of the FDA, and a bunch of lawyers would be in enormous professional trouble,

 

[Vince McMahon]

My country is having a promotion for vaccinated - 37 USD, which you can spend but only on selected items, yet to be disclosed by the government. And the money is taken from the taxes.

Also, has anyone mentioned in this thread that Austria is planning mandatory vaccinations for all?

Every time I think that the anti-vax side is just a little bit too conspiratorial, the reality is making me doubt.