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Natives died in droves from smallpox because they were immunologically naive to smallpox. You know, like every single person in the world born after the early 80s when they stopped vaccinating against smallpox because it was extinct. The only advantage we have over the natives (aside from modern medical knowledge) is that we aren't getting a dozen other diseases we are immunologically naive to dumped on us at the same time (except I guess the Chinese virus, but that's pretty fucking minor compared to shit like typhus or the measles strains that went around killing fucktons of people), so it's "only" as bad as shit like smallpox arriving in Iceland in the Middle Ages and killing half the population, or killing like 40% of the Japs in the 8th century, that sort of thing.

Innoculation against smallpox has like a 1% death rate (i.e. more likely to kill you than Fauci's flu) and IIRC isn't guaranteed to prevent you from catching smallpox hence why all the Africans who used innoculation never cured smallpox.
The incubation time for small pox is between 7 to a whopping 19 days! The average time according to the CDC is 10 to 14 days. That definitely complicates things, and I imagine the Bill Gates smallpox strain has been engineered to have an extra long incubation time. Is that why they've been drilling into everyone's head the 2 week quarantine period? It's probably not healthy for me to give into these flights of fancy. I'll deal with it when it happens.
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Bit of powerleveling, but i was just hired by a large grocery chain in the upper midwest. They said they dont agree with the vaccine requirements and only ask if your vaccinated if your comfortable with it. No idea if the 100 employee mandate is in effect yet but it seems no one really cares about COVID atleast my area.
 
Apparently everyone else got it all wrong ... Patient zero did come from the Wuhan wet market.


All you tinfoil hat wearers can stand down, the CCP weren't covering up anything.
Even Daszak agrees with this analysis

First Known Covid Case Was Vendor at Wuhan Market, Scientist Says​

A new review of early Covid-19 cases in the journal Science will revive, though certainly not settle, the debate over how the pandemic began.

A scientist who has pored over public accounts of early Covid-19 cases in China reported on Thursday that an influential World Health Organization inquiry had most likely gotten the early chronology of the pandemic wrong. The new analysis suggests that the first known patient sickened with the coronavirus was a vendor in a large Wuhan animal market, not an accountant who lived many miles from it.
The report, published on Thursday in the prestigious journal Science, will revive, though certainly not settle, the debate over whether the pandemic started with a spillover from wildlife sold at the market, a leak from a Wuhan virology lab or some other way. The search for the origins of the greatest public health catastrophe in a century has fueled geopolitical battles, with few new facts emerging in recent months to resolve the question.
The scientist, Michael Worobey, a leading expert in tracing the evolution of viruses at the University of Arizona, came upon timeline discrepancies by combing through what had already been made public in medical journals, as well as video interviews in a Chinese news outlet with people believed to have the first two documented infections.
Dr. Worobey argues that the vendor’s ties to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, as well as a new analysis of the earliest hospitalized patients’ connections to the market, strongly suggest that the pandemic began there.

“In this city of 11 million people, half of the early cases are linked to a place that’s the size of a soccer field,” Dr. Worobey said. “It becomes very difficult to explain that pattern if the outbreak didn’t start at the market.”
Several experts, including one of the pandemic investigators chosen by the W.H.O., said that Dr. Worobey’s detective work was sound and that the first known case of Covid was most likely a seafood vendor.
But some of them also said the evidence was still insufficient to decisively settle the larger question of how the pandemic began. They suggested that the virus probably infected a “patient zero” sometime before the vendor’s case and then reached critical mass to spread widely at the market. Studies of changes in the virus’s genome — including one done by Dr. Worobey himself — have suggested that the first infection happened in roughly mid-November 2019, weeks before the vendor got sick.
“I don’t disagree with the analysis,” said Jesse Bloom, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. “But I don’t agree that any of the data are strong enough or complete enough to say anything very confidently, other than that the Huanan Seafood Market was clearly a super-spreading event.”
Dr. Bloom also noted that this was not the first time the W.H.O. report, done in collaboration with Chinese researchers, was found to contain mistakes, including errors involving early patients’ potential links to the market.

“It’s just kind of mind-boggling that in all of these cases, there keep being inconsistencies about when this happened,” he said.

‘The Mistake Lies There’​

Toward the end of December 2019, doctors at several Wuhan hospitals noticed mysterious cases of pneumonia arising in people who worked at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, a dank and poorly ventilated space where seafood, poultry, meat and wild animals were sold. On Dec. 30, public health officials told hospitals to report any new cases linked to the market.
Fearing a replay of SARS, which emerged from Chinese animal markets in 2002, Chinese officials ordered the Huanan market closed, and Wuhan police officers shut it down on Jan. 1, 2020. Despite those measures, new cases multiplied through Wuhan.
Wuhan authorities said on Jan. 11, 2020, that cases had begun on Dec. 8. In February, they identified the earliest patient as a Wuhan resident with the surname Chen, who fell sick on Dec. 8 and had no link to the market.
Chinese officials and some outside experts suspected that the initially high percentage of cases linked to the market might have been a statistical fluke known as ascertainment bias. They reasoned that the Dec. 30 call from officials to report market-linked illnesses may have led doctors to overlook other cases with no such ties.
“At the beginning, we presumed that the seafood market may have the novel coronavirus,” Gao Fu, director of China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said in May 2020, according to China Global Television Network. “But it now turns out that the market is one of the victims.”

By the spring of 2020, senior members of the Trump administration were promoting another scenario for the origin of the pandemic: that the virus had escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which has a campus roughly eight miles away from the Huanan market, across the Yangtze River.
In January of this year, researchers chosen by the W.H.O. visited China and interviewed an accountant who had reportedly developed symptoms on Dec. 8. Their influential March 2021 report described him as the first known case.
But Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist at EcoHealth Alliance who was part of the W.H.O. team, said that he was convinced by Dr. Worobey’s analysis that they had been wrong.

“That December the eighth date was a mistake,” Dr. Daszak said.
The W.H.O. team never asked the accountant the date his symptoms began, he said. Instead, they were given the Dec. 8 date by doctors from Hubei Xinhua Hospital, who handled other early cases but did not care for Mr. Chen. “So the mistake lies there,” Dr. Daszak said.
For the W.H.O. experts, Dr. Daszak said, the interview was a dead end: The accountant had no apparent links to an animal market, lab or a mass gathering. He told them he liked spending time on the internet and jogging, and he did not travel much. “He was as vanilla as you could get,” Dr. Daszak said.
Had the team identified the seafood vendor as the first known case, Dr. Daszak said, it would have more aggressively pursued questions like what stall she worked in and where her products came from.
This year, Dr. Daszak has been one of the strongest critics of the lab-leak theory. He and his organization, EcoHealth Alliance, have taken heat for research collaborations with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Last month, the National Institutes of Health said EcoHealth was in breach of the terms and conditions of its grant for research on coronaviruses in bats.

While the doctors at Hubei Xinhua Hospital said that the onset of the accountant’s illness had been Dec. 8, a senior doctor at Wuhan Central Hospital, where Mr. Chen was treated, had told a Chinese news outlet that he developed symptoms around Dec. 16.
Asked about Mr. Chen’s case, China’s National Health Commission said it stood by comments made by Liang Wannian, the leader of the Chinese side of the W.H.O.-China investigation who led the interview with the Hubei Xinhua Hospital doctors. Mr. Liang told a news conference in February of this year that the earliest Covid case showed symptoms on Dec. 8 and was “not connected” to the Huanan market.

Errors and Inconsistencies​

In their report, the W.H.O. experts concluded that the virus most likely spread to people from an animal spillover, but they could not confirm that the Huanan market was the source. By contrast, they said that a lab leak was “extremely unlikely.”
The report has come under fire for several errors and shortcomings. The Washington Post revealed in July that the report listed the wrong viral samples for several early patients — including the first official case — and mistakenly linked the first family cluster of cases to the Huanan market. The W.H.O. promised to fix the errors, but they remain in the report on the organization’s website. (The organization said that it would ask the report’s authors if and how they would correct the mistakes.)
In May, two months after the report by the W.H.O. and China was published, 18 prominent scientists, including Dr. Worobey, responded with a letter in Science complaining that the W.H.O. team had given the lab-leak theory short shrift. Far more research was required, they argued, to determine whether one explanation was more likely than the other.
An expert on the origins of influenza and H.I.V., Dr. Worobey has tried to piece together the early days of the Covid pandemic. Reading a May 2020 study of early cases written by local doctors and health officials in Wuhan, he was puzzled to see a description that seemed like Mr. Chen: a 41-year-old man with no contact with the Huanan market. But the study’s authors dated his symptoms to Dec. 16, not Dec. 8.

Then Dr. Worobey found what appeared to be a second, independent source for the later date: Mr. Chen himself.
“I got a fever on the 16th, during the day,” a man identified as Mr. Chen said in a March 2020 video interview with The Paper, a publication based in Shanghai. The video indicates that Mr. Chen is a 41-year-old who worked in a company’s finance office and never went to the Huanan market. Official reports said that he lived in the Wuchang district in Wuhan, miles from the market.
The New York Times was not able to independently confirm the identity of the man in the video.
Along with his fever on Dec. 16, Mr. Chen said he felt a tightness in his chest and went to the hospital that day. “Even without any strenuous exercise, with just a tiny bit of effort, like the way I’m speaking with you now, I’d feel short of breath,” he said.
Dr. Worobey said that the medical records shown in the video might hold clues to how the W.H.O.-China report wound up with the wrong date. One page described surgery Mr. Chen needed to have teeth removed. Another was a Dec. 9 prescription for antibiotics referring to a fever from the day before — possibly the day of the dental surgery.
On the video, Mr. Chen speculated that he might have gotten Covid “when I went to the hospital” — possibly a reference to his earlier dental surgery.
The Washington Post noted in July that the details provided by the W.H.O. for the Dec. 8 case seemed to fit better with an entry from an online database of viral samples linked to someone who got sick on Dec. 16. In response, the W.H.O. had said it was looking into the discrepancy.

An agency spokesman told The New York Times it would be “difficult to comment” on the first known case because the W.H.O. team had limited access to health data. He said it was important for investigators to keep looking for patients infected even earlier.

Murky Links​

In Dr. Worobey’s revised chronology, the earliest case is not Mr. Chen but the seafood vendor, a woman named Wei Guixian, who developed symptoms around Dec. 11. (Ms. Wei said in the same video published by The Paper that her serious symptoms began on Dec. 11, and she told The Wall Street Journal that she began feeling sick on Dec. 10. The W.H.O.-China report listed a Dec. 11 case linked to the market.)
Dr. Worobey found that hospitals reported more than a dozen likely cases before Dec. 30, the day the Wuhan authorities alerted doctors to be on the lookout for ties to the market.
He determined that Wuhan Central Hospital and Hubei Xinhua Hospital each recognized seven cases of unexplained pneumonia before Dec. 30 that would be confirmed as Covid-19. At each hospital, four out of seven cases were linked to the market.
By focusing on just these cases, Dr. Worobey argued, he could rule out the possibility that ascertainment bias skewed the results in favor of the market.
Still, other scientists said it’s far from certain that the pandemic began at the market.
“He has done an excellent job of reconstructing what he can from the available data, and it’s as reasonable a hypothesis as any,” said Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, a virologist at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University. “But I don’t think we’re ever going to know what’s going on, because it’s two years ago and it’s still murky.”
Alina Chan, a postdoctoral fellow at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass., and one of the most vocal proponents of investigating a lab leak, said that only new details about earlier cases — going back to November — would help scientists trace the origin.

“The main issue this points out,” she said, “is that there’s a lack of access to data, and there are errors in the W.H.O.-China report.”
 
What would you do if the employer has a very aggressive religious exemption form that demands proof from the religious leaders as well, or if you're in a jurisdiction where "personal belief" has essentially been taken off the table?

For example: Link

I have a gut feeling that exemptions like these have been designed by law firms, to be used as standard forms by companies.
A fun fact sheet from the (((ADL))) about your rights to religious accommodations in the workplace.

"Employees do not have to justify or prove anything about their religious belief to the employer (for example, the employee need not provide a note from clergy): an employer is required to accommodate - subject to the undue hardship rule - any of the employee's sincerely-held religious beliefs."
 
I still can't get over the fact that beginning next week you'll have to PAY to prove DAILY that you're HEALTHY to be allowed to use public transportation if you're unvaxxed in Germany. The same underground metro system where rats and pigeons SHIT and people PISS and PUKE.

There's no doubt in my mind that they're organizing to have police and/or military to help enforce the new law on the very first day it goes into effect, because that's exactly what they did with the mask mandate. I remember sitting in the metro looking out the window entering central station and seeing a bunch of police/military standing in a line right next to each other, hand carefully placed over their guns or batons... to make sure you're wearing a fucking useless mask (too few people were doing it voluntarily, so it had to be mandated). What a lovely memory! (But of course I know they only did it for me and my health, so I can't be mad at them, at least that's what the TV told me, so it must be true.)

If they have the ressources to check everybody's vaxx-status, then why aren't they using it to send anybody home who is coughing like mad? Why are they allowing sick vaccinated on the train, while pulling out the healthy unvaccinated? The only answer that makes any sense is as simple as it is horrifying: because it's not about health.
 
Honestly the last couple years has made me think that maybe the population does require some sort illuminati keeping things under control. People in general are fucking idiots.
I do actually completely agree that people in general are fucking idiots, but no, we definitely do not need to have a cult controlling the entire world.

We all know what has been the end point in majority of cults.

As a side note, and rate me late, thanks to Count Dankula I now know where the 'in minecraft' came from. Fuck me if minecraft isn't the coolest thing to ever exist. Whole libraries containing information for countries that are banning or hiding that information from civilians.
 
If you have the mark of the devil then other than taking your vitamins and horse dewormer what can you do to avoid/survive covid? Pray to a god if applicable? The people that have nothing to fear from covid are being locked down while the vaxxed are being goaded into the midst of it.

After last weekend when my workplace was forced to get the jab to keep our jobs there have been few people away sick, me included (still not feeling right, and I feel like an alien in my own skin), and there is not a single case of the wu flu in the area. So you would assume we were all sick from the jab. Not the office NPCs though, they coerced one women into getting a covid test before being allowed back so that they could feel safe (they are all already vaxxed).
 
Right, I forgot to mention that pretty important point (even though it wrote it in my notes I was making as I was going through the document), I amended my original post.

I'm curious now, how does this work when someone requests data from other clinical trials to be released? The FDA claim the non-profit should start by requesting specific parts of the data. Does that mean that usually clinical data is only released in small batches? How often does someone even request the FDA to release such data?

EDIT - I just saw your rum-fuelled review of the document. Not as naïve as mine lol (in my defence I was drinking beer while going through it, not rum).

More alcohol == more legal insight, lawyer protip. I won't even bill you for that one. :tomgirl:

Those are some good questions, and unfortunately not ones I've had personal experience with. My work has been on criminal and civil suits, and regulatory compliance discovery, very little FOIA stuff, and what there was for FOIA was very different than this case and for a totally different government agency (no, not any three letter agencies, it was one you'd think was much more boring but was actually a soap opera behind the scenes). I hate leaving good questions totally unanswered though, so I poured myself a little rum (just a sip), looked around a bit, and asked some friends with a better view into this particular subject for some dirt.

First off, the FDA's review method is so, so much worse than I thought could possibly be on the table, because of how I'd seen <DIFFERENT AGENCY> handle FOIA and other requests (:optimistic:). Silly me. They're reviewing like its 1999... literally. Those 10 attorneys aren't working with the full Pfizer dataset in a real electronic review tool like Relativity, Introspect, or even smaller-scale software like Casemaker. A tool like that, allowing for a 21st century, civilized workflow, would enable them to do all manner of complex searches, document tagging with various types of useful notes, filtering by various properties, and even just faster, simpler viewing of a zillion different native filetypes without having to dick around with different programs. It also allows for better coordination between reviewers and distribution of the docs to be hacked through. Hell, the suites on the more powerful end of the spectrum have some degree of machine assistance in doing a very basic pre-review of the material in bulk that can kick out of the way a lot of pure garbage that is obviously not responsive to the discovery request without having to waste a human's time at all. (Guess how much spam mail your average corporate/government email account gets. When you scrape their Exchange account, you're getting allllll those hot young singles looking to mingle and desperate Nigerian princes dropped in your lap. Also guess how much pr0n is on your average suit's office computer. "None" is not an option.) No, the FDA isn't doing that. Instead...

... They're likely getting the native files (Office stuff, raw databases, etc) converted to PDF format by <EDISCO VENDOR> and sent to them to read through pretty much manually. I.e., they've used a bunch of technology to essentially recreate giant boxes of paper like in a John Grisham movie from the 90s, but in electronic form. I don't even know if they're getting searchable PDFs, or the most bare-bones primitive crap that's just tiff images stitched together in an Adobe wrapper. The only way an oldschool review method like this works, is if you use oldschool staffing approaches that involve hundreds or thousands of attorneys all sitting together reading through this stuff like a slave galley crew in suits. The kind of living hell places like "Satan's Workshop" used to be famous for in the industry. 10 guys is nowhere near enough to work that way in a timely manner, especially not when they probably all spend half their shifts playing Russian roulette and wondering where their lives went wrong.

Worst part? The fact that they're almost certainly reviewing basic PDFs, when the original file formats were a dog's breakfast of random other crap, including potentially Excel and MS Access or other databases, is it wastes even more time. Why? All that shit has to go through conversion to get there -- the vendor has to tiff out the native files with imaging software like PeerNet + a managing frontend, then take the resulting tiffs and convert them with another program into PDFs. It. Is. SLOW. And judging from the filing, a good chunk of this is spreadsheet or DB type stuff, which produces borderline unreadable trash when tiffed out. It sounded like the database files were going to stay native, but I'd bet they went Maximum Clown and demanded the Excels to be tiffed out, because that's the most masochistic, stupidest move they could make, and that seems to be how the FDA is running their show.

Anyway, so that's why its so incomprehensibly slow for the FDA to actually process this request. On to the other questions.

As for how often this stuff gets requested, or in what size batches, no idea, sadly. I honestly haven't even heard of anyone going to the FDA for this stuff outside of an actual lawsuit before, although I know it has to happen. I'm also confused as to why the requestor isn't barking up Pfizer's tree, unless they did and were already told to sit and spin -- they have a webpage walking you through how to request clinical trial data directly from them. Whoever they're using to handle what are essentially discovery requests is almost certainly capable of delivering a hell of a lot sooner than 2076.

The FDA does probably have a point about the breadth of their request, my prior rant notwithstanding. In a regular lawsuit, you don't request literally everything that could theoretically have something to do with the matter, and a smart FOIA request is going to be the same.

For example, when Johnson & Johnson got sued over Risperdal, the federal government didn't and couldn't request they turn over literally every document, email, brochure, and sales presentation relating to the drug. That'd be insane. They had to narrow it down -- incident reports from hospitals, nursing homes, etc recording possible injuries or side effects from the use of the drug, and, narrower still because of the actual subject of the lawsuit, only a certain timeframe and such incidents that involved off-label uses (children and the elderly where it was used to sundown patients, rather than as a standard regimen to manage schizophrenia). Sure, that can definitely end up being a ton of documentation, and often does. Tens of millions of pages in large cases. But given how abbreviated the clinical trials were, I wonder if the requestor in this case isn't being stupid and demanding "eVerYtHinG vAxXXx".

At the very least, the smarter approach might be, for now, to ask for something very targeted, like "we want all the official incident reports of possible adverse reactions from the 3 month trial". Then they could look that over and see if they learned something that would help them in a second request, or better yet, something that could actually head towards a regular civil lawsuit, where they could force a proper large-scale (translation: so very expensive) discovery effort that might finish sometime before I'm dead of an anger-induced heart attack old age.

The FDA is still unreasonable about thinking 500 pages is acceptable in 2021, though. That made sense back when FOIA originally started and the typical request was people asking for their own FBI files if they existed, copies of random specific historical documents, pictures of ayy lmaos, and the like. Data's a lot bigger nowadays, and when a free Gmail account is several gigs of storage, 500 page chunks warrants the "What year is this?" meme. Doubly so when other US government agencies have recognized this and actually stepped up their game, including ones you wouldn't expect to get a lot of bulk FOIA action (but do).

Wish I could've had more directly on-topic answers for you, and I hope you found that ramble useful or at least entertaining anyway. If you turn up any other paperwork relating to this request and post it, I might be able to figure out something more.
 
A fun fact sheet from the (((ADL))) about your rights to religious accommodations in the workplace.

"Employees do not have to justify or prove anything about their religious belief to the employer (for example, the employee need not provide a note from clergy): an employer is required to accommodate - subject to the undue hardship rule - any of the employee's sincerely-held religious beliefs."
True, but what about in countries with British common law, like Canada or Australia? I have heard of some circumstantial info, but no slam dunks like the Civil Rights act in the US.
 
True, but what about in countries with British common law, like Canada or Australia? I have heard of some circumstantial info, but no slam dunks like the Civil Rights act in the US.
I believe in canada you can't just state a religious objection. You have to fill in a form and get it signed by a recognised religious leader, and then it'll probably be rejected anyway because reasons. Australia I have no idea, but I imagine they'll follow the UK's lead on this one, where there's no allowance for religious beliefs. The question of how far this imposition can extend is still being debated, but NHS and other "front line" services workers are required to take the vaccine and will be fired if they refuse.

There's some wrangling over whether a private employer can be taken to an employment tribunal for firing someone who refuses to take the vaccine. There is no precedent for it really; companies don't generally have access to that sort of medical information and don't really have a right to demand it ad-hoc. They could make vaccination a condition of employment, meaning any new hires would have to provide proof of vaccination before they could start, but that doesn't work for existing employees. There would be a requirement to change their terms of employment, which would require a new employment contract approved by HR and the employee. Firing someone, or forcing someone to effectively resign for refusing the updated contract would count as a constructive dismissal, but whether a tribunal would accept the argument is anyone's guess.
 
So they force life altering changes on the citizens without giving them a say, take away their future, smear anyone that questions it, arrest anyone that questions it more, and they not only don't give a damn about organized protests they outright erase them from history. That leaves one option left and that is to get angry and cause chaos until you get what you want. And then they shoot you for it.

I hope the rest of the world gets onboard the anger and the chaos but there are so many brainwashed cucks it's doubtful. Fuck the bolshevik 2.0.

This is how they do it straight out of the playbook.

They curtail every day freedoms and make second-class citizens out of "Vaxx Deniers". Pretty soon people see these monsters aren't fucking about and the pigs enforce this with an iron fist. I am usually on the side of the police, but it's coming up to a hot war now and they are not our friends, so I'm going to start dehumanizing them again, because not all of them are good people. There are many rapist powertripping dumb pieces of shit in the police force. Fuck them.

Then, when you can't go out with your friends, whether a simple pleasure like going in to a particular bar or eaterie, or it might be the cinema for a new date, well, the reality sets in further that these monsters are not playing about. The pigs will enforce their rule.

So you get angry, you start to seethe and become furious. There's a demonstration. Fuck yeah, I'll go to it. Got nothing to lose. Not allowed to go anywhere else. I'll teach these bastards with a bit of the old 'mostly peaceful' protests.

But not so quick, young one, naive one, sweet summer child. There are more things in the governments playbook than were ever dreamt of in your philosophy. They are one step ahead of you. And if you think those pigs that willingly stand by while your country is culturally enriched, just because muh orders, muh pension, won't come down on you like a ton of bricks when they get new orders to crack skulls, well, I have a fine selection of watches and bridges for you.

If the population do not 100 percent get the fucking message that this IS NOT A REQUEST, well, they will slowly get it in to your thick skulls. The dehumanisation of you first of all with propaganda is the first step, and that works to a certain extent on a lot of people. But there are more dirty hold outs whom that shit does not work on. And these are the ones the government really despises. The ones with the most will. The most iron of wills. They must be buck broken and cucked and learn to love being buck broken and cucked as well. DO IT TO JULIA!

So sure, yeah, you can protest, but we won't listen to you. Oh btw if you get any funny ideas about getting uppity like those niggers in Chicongo, well, we got some Hollow Point bullets for you. Set things on fire, sure, but we will shoot you, stone dead. Which is fair enough I suppose really, because all things are fair in love and war, so I'm told.

This will demoralise people further. Good. So more people get vaxxed. Good, good. But still there are those most obstinate and willful of bucks that need to be broken in. Double plus ungood.

Next step, time to play the trump card like they are doing in Austria now. There's a new lockdown over Xmas in Germany. That vaccine sure does work good don't it? But in Austria, land of famous painters, they are making it MANDATORY. Just pause for a second. Yes, you heard that right: MANDATORY. B.bb..bbut... 'mandatory' means you have to take it - no choice. Das rite nigger. MANDATORY. That is what mandatory means. No choice. They lied to us all along and now they are playing their hand. They've got just about everyone who was ever going to get this thing vaxxed, so now is the time to step it up in the real game of power they are playing here.

The lockdowns are theatre of course. But for why? It's for no other reason than to do with what every other totalitarian/fascist/communist dictatorship does it for: to set the masses against one another. To dehumanise further, to the point of violence. They have already set brother against brother, father against son, now it's not enough to have destroyed the family unit, they want to destroy what ever fabric of community or bond there is left between people. That way, the REAL FUCKING AGENDA will be able to be carried out a lot easier in the near future.

All those people locked down, all those people who got jabbed, ALL OF THEM, fucking really hate you now you dirty unvaxxed cunt. This creates more peer pressure. More people will get vaxxed. Good. But still we do not have ultimate and total godly control over the masses, we must step up our game further.

What does mandatory mean? We already know what it means, but how will it be enforced? Will it mean that there are knocks on doors, with a couple of goons accompanying nurse ratchet ready to stab you with her needle? Will it mean being made unemployed? They are already doing that. Just how do you enforce MANDATORY on someone who has lost everything and has nothing left - no job, no family ties, can't go out and partake of society, is confined to house arrest - how do you do that?

Is there a letter that drops on the mat one day DEMANDING you to attend your MANDATORY vaxx? Or else! Will doctors refuse to see you, worse, strike you off their surgery list? Will there be no more dentist's appointments for you? Will they even refuse to allow you a dropoff door delivery by the local supermarket because, well, we take the health and safety of our drivers and our deliverers very seriously. NO SOUP FOR YOU.

Already they are winning the propaganda war. I saw someone the other day coming back from the pub drunk but in good spirits (them not me, I was going to get a pint of milk). And I don't know how the subject came up but it did. This guy always has a niggle about covid bullshit. Have I been vaxxed, if not why not? And I just casually called it a load of bollox, and I could see he vehemently disagreed with me, but pretended to take the middle ground in a very disengenuous way. He's a drunk and a bore, but I humoured him. After he had recited his NPC talking points, I just told him that I was not happy living with a cloud over my head that I might have genetic cancer, and that my screening was super delayed when it should be super urgent. Do you know what the cunt said to me? No it's not! NO ITS FUCKING NOT. What balls. He then proceeded to tell me it was ok. It was then I realised I was not only dealing with a fool, but a cunt.

Fast forward a bit, I saw him again a few weeks later. And it was still stewing in him. I can tell now he's been got to. He's hidden it well, but he wants to see people like me up against the wall. Out of nowhere, he was drunk again but more drunk this time, he just said IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT ARE SPREADING THE DISEASE. It was quite sneaky how he just jabbed it in to an otherwise polite conversation we were having (there was a 3rd party there). So I schooled him. I told him, well no actually it's people like you. You spread it more and you are more likely to die of the disease than the non vaxxed, and you are more likely to die of other diseases as well. He just shut up, but it's not forgotten, like a rat he awaits his turn when the housemaster is asleep.

Now, I don't really know many people where I live, so what are the chances that the one of the few people I know are this fucking NPC outraged over people like me not getting vaxxed? I also told him I was exempt because of auto-immune issues, even told him what I had (I won't pl here further). But he just ignored it. He had dehumanised me. He cared not that I already suffer with life-changing chronic illness, he cared not that this was a valid exemption. He's a sneaky little fucker and I wouldn't have said a word to him, but he played it like the rat plays it and he got the information out of me that he wanted. I could beat the fuck out of him, in minecraft, of course. But I take a deep breath, and all is well again, other things to worry about. I'm a peaceful man. Hopefully his cancer comes back or he dies of the coof, that would be good. I'm maybe not a nice man. No fucks left to give when dehumanised by cowardly drunks. And all the NPCs are drunks, they are just getting high on another type of 'medicine'.

This is a portrait of how brother is set against brother, of how father is set against son. Of how community members 'other' other people and dehumanise them. And it is because of their tacit support that the government will get away with sending the goons around to hold you down while nurse ratchet stabs you with her needle. He will cheer them on, never mind if it ends up killing me, never mind if I die in the interim because of all the theatre they have put together for the masses.

This thing is not going away. They've managed to divide (and conquer) society more with this bullshit than all the nigger race baiting bullshit put together. It's almost as if it was planned. We still don't know where it came from. We still don't know if it was made up in a lab. We still don't know who is responsible. And those that say they do know, well, trust the science bro!

It will be interesting how Austria enforces these mandatory vaxxes. I guess they are taking a different gambit to the one in the Netherlands. Like a pincer movement in lockstep. One is overt coercion, one is covert coercion. Whichever way you look at it, they are making people an offer they can't refuse. I know I will never have it. I won't even be held down by goons; I will use as much violence at my disposal to ensure I am not raped. That's a promise, nothing else.

I wish I could take in and understand more all of the excellent references and charts and whatnot that you good people give here. I do my best and make some effort to do so. I also appreciate your breakdowns and tl;dr's of what that info means. We've been ahead of the curve quite a bit in this thread. There have been lulls and I was hoping that this whole thing would fizzle out, but I think we all saw a little while back that this is not going away. Up next: new year - 2022. Endgame? It'll be spicy for sure, because things are already hotting up and it's no coinkydinky that these new mandates are being brought in now. Xmas is the most precious time of year for many eurocucks. It's another big stick to beat us with. To set brother against brother, father against son...


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Got so carried away, I forgot why I came! Update on shit in the lowlands and lots more photos. This is from today -


Netherlands anti-lockdown violence: Vienna braces for 10,000 protesters as 'two people' are SHOT and six others injured in Rotterdam after Dutch riot police open fire on activists, as demonstration is condemned as an 'orgy of violence'​

  • Two people were shot during an 'orgy of violence' amid anti-lockdown protests in Rotterdam Friday evening
  • Police confirmed the injuries to the rioters, but did not clarify what type of ammunition was used against them
  • Police fired water canons as demonstrators lit fires and set off fireworks in Rotterdam's busy shopping district
  • The Netherlands entered a partial lockdown on Saturday, sparking a furious backlash against the government
  • Comes as 10,000 people prepared to protest Austria's lockdown and mandatory vaccines in Vienna Saturday
  • Austria on Friday reimposed a full winter lockdown and neighbouring Germany warned it may soon follow suit

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That pdf was a blackpill. It seems like we were already checkmated decades ago while the boomers were too busy zombifying themselves in front of the tv.

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Total PL but I am past caring.
I am somewhere between fighting to the death and wanting to kill myself.
I am literally stuck. I have days go missing frequently, more frequently than what is normal for me.
I am supposed to be finishing off a course (I have a job thanks to being in that course but only worked one day before lockdowns started, and they put all casuals off until they get their shit together) yet I'm stuck in a, what the fuck is the point when I am going to end up in a fucking gulag. I am smart as all fuck but I'm essentially useless because I found out how smart way too late, when all the fucked up parts are stronger than the smart parts, and self-doubt overrides EVERYTHING.
I'm as paranoid as hell about going anywhere, especially medical related, they might fucking stick me with something (surprise attack) when they find out I haven't been injected.
I absolutely refuse to 'just get the jab' to make it all go away, because there is no making it all go away, all I can do is make sure my household and my parents are prepared (in some way), and just hope like fuck that the other half of my household is important enough in other respects (no I won't PL that far) that we can be saved from the worst that is coming, and maybe, just maybe I won't end up dead in a gulag.
 
I believe in canada you can't just state a religious objection. You have to fill in a form and get it signed by a recognised religious leader, and then it'll probably be rejected anyway because reasons. Australia I have no idea, but I imagine they'll follow the UK's lead on this one, where there's no allowance for religious beliefs. The question of how far this imposition can extend is still being debated, but NHS and other "front line" services workers are required to take the vaccine and will be fired if they refuse.

There's some wrangling over whether a private employer can be taken to an employment tribunal for firing someone who refuses to take the vaccine. There is no precedent for it really; companies don't generally have access to that sort of medical information and don't really have a right to demand it ad-hoc. They could make vaccination a condition of employment, meaning any new hires would have to provide proof of vaccination before they could start, but that doesn't work for existing employees. There would be a requirement to change their terms of employment, which would require a new employment contract approved by HR and the employee. Firing someone, or forcing someone to effectively resign for refusing the updated contract would count as a constructive dismissal, but whether a tribunal would accept the argument is anyone's guess.
I think it may ultimately depend on what they define as 'religion/creed' vs 'personal belief'- there may be provisions that allow you to ignore those demands for proof given that your beliefs are part of a 'creed' (which is very vague and nondenominational), but if you ultimately can only say it's secular (i.e. trying to say the vaccines don't work), then it falls under personal belief, which can be denied.

Of course, there's no saying what will happen since rule of law is already so degraded around the West.
 
The shooting at protestors in the Netherlands becomes thought provoking when you compare the "orgy of violence" with previous large riots in Europe. So 6 police officers get injured in a anti vax riot in Rotterdam and the police open live fire on people.
320 police officers were injured during the G20 summit in 2017, but not a single shot fired by the police.
Someone must have voiced to the police that they are free to shoot when threatened last night
 
Can any Brits advise on the situation there re: vax mandates/passes? How receptive are politicians and, more importantly, the public to the idea? I'm considering moving when my lease is up.
 
Well NI just now passed the passport for the bars and such. Family tried to ramp up the pressure to get injected told them no, and I am more than happy not to do any business with those that enforces it. Simple.

The DUB failed to block the bill. Of course the politicians are now crying with getting abuse and death threats for passing the motion. Should be fun to see how it goes.

What's amazing is the South is going back into lockdown and has a higher rate of injected than us and yet none of the other parties and the suppose health minister looked literally next door and see that you wont stop it. So the only conclusion is it's all about control and coercion.
 
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