Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Just Another Autist]

How difficult/expensive is it to access private healthcare in the UK? I assume it costs less than USA prices. If the wait list just to see a shrink is 26 years long, why isn't it possible to see a non-NHS one to get your diagnosis and prescriptions?

Spoiler: Small PL

I know someone who transitioned a decade ago in America, completely uninsured while working minimum wage. At a time where trooning was way less common and healthcare was harder to access. I don't see how it could possibly be harder to do now in <CURRENT YEAR> even for the people who don't live in mansions.

This same person now attends a "segregated clinic" for trans health and talks about how much better it is than dealing with doctors who have no idea how to deal with a trans. One clinic for all your transition needs is way easier to navigate than dealing with a series of shrinks, endocrinologists, doctors, and surgeons from unrelated practices.

Olly is advocating for a step down in care by putting transgender patients in front of doctors who won't know what to do with them. If wait times are such an issue, it would be smarter to advocate for MORE trans clinics, not abolish them entirely.

 

[pangolins]

How difficult/expensive is it to access private healthcare in the UK? I assume it costs less than USA prices. If the wait list just to see a shrink is 26 years long, why isn't it possible to see a non-NHS one to get your diagnosis and prescriptions?

There are private options specifically for transgender people, although these do also have wait lists. I found this on https://genderkit.org.uk/resources/wait-times/

Interestingly they also have wait times for all the NHS gender clinics and literally none of them come close to 26 years, they do reckon that the wait times are longer than reported to them, but 26 years is still a massive stretch, so something seems to be up with that.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Interestingly they also have wait times for all the NHS gender clinics and literally none of them come close to 26 years, they do reckon that the wait times are longer than reported to them, but 26 years is still a massive stretch, so something seems to be up with that.

I reckon that was a hyperbole. That out of the way, free services indeed have long waiting lists, and sadly that's the norm with free healthcare, especially with COVID going into its third year and the UK-specific issue of Brexit.

 

[esmeggs]

It's the waiting list to get his dick inverted that's apparently 26 years:

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In the latest podcast episode, Olly states he’s on a “waiting list for a pussy” and the waiting list “in this country” is 26 years

 

[The Mad Pirate]

I wonder how mum and dad feel about this?

I think they are proud of him.
The worse the NHS is, the better for private healthcare providers ( like his parents ).
Making the NHS irresponsibly spend tax-payer money irresponsibly ( i.e. spending money they should reserve for high risk surgeries like heart transplants and cancer treatments in plastic surgeries for the 0.01% of the population will only benefit private healthcare who would benefit from the patients left out by the NHS.
Beside, like good posh parents, they get the bonus virtue signaling boost.

 

[narcissistic injury]

I didn’t really understand wtf contra saw in chube AT ALL before but it’s making more sense now.

Each have one parent a doctor, the other academic. Both don’t speak about their family often and seem a bit alienated and detached from them…. They probably both bonded over feeling that their parents focused more on careers than warm and fuzzy parenting (which is very likely true lol)

They definitely have more shared experiences than I previously thought….

Both have obvious resentment towards their parents which informs their “content” - contra re: being médicalisée at a young age for being misunderstood…. PT being misunderstood because his parents are highly intelligent nerds and he’s a soft and pathetic sensitive nerd without the intellect, character or aptitude for actual academic pursuits…. He merely has the charm offensive…. Sort of

At least I really believe contra could succeed academically if she wanted. Troubled but not untalented and quite original. PT is just not gifted, and his parents definitely aren’t impressed with that dud. He just manipulâtes and copies others, passing it off on his own. Sooooooo manipulative. But no other stand out traits or abilities

 

[aanoo]

I didn’t really understand wtf contra saw in chube AT ALL before but it’s making more sense now.

Each have one parent a doctor, the other academic. Both don’t speak about their family often and seem a bit alienated and detached from them…. They probably both bonded over feeling that their parents focused more on careers than warm and fuzzy parenting (which is very likely true lol)

They definitely have more shared experiences than I previously thought….

Both have obvious resentment towards their parents which informs their “content” - contra re: being médicalisée at a young age for being misunderstood…. PT being misunderstood because his parents are highly intelligent nerds and he’s a soft and pathetic sensitive nerd without the intellect, character or aptitude for actual academic pursuits…. He merely has the charm offensive…. Sort of

At least I really believe contra could succeed academically if she wanted. Troubled but not untalented and quite original. PT is just not gifted, and his parents definitely aren’t impressed with that dud. He just manipulâtes and copies others, passing it off on his own. Sooooooo manipulative. But no other stand out traits or abilities

Idk, in that forbidden birthday stream, the only present PT mentions getting is a ton of expensive meat from his parents. They definitely heavily subsidised his acting “”career”” and living in London before he got Patreon money, because that’s not cheap. I don’t consider that a bad relationship with your parents, it seems pretty supportive to me at least.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I reckon that was a hyperbole. That out of the way, free services indeed have long waiting lists, and sadly that's the norm with free healthcare, especially with COVID going into its third year and the UK-specific issue of Brexit.

It’s the norm in the US too for some specialists, especially outside of big cities.

One thing he doesn’t mention is that maybe the waiting lists are so long because the system was set up to handle an extremely small and reasonably stable population of people with long-term dysphoria, which in the last half a decade exploded into the high number of people demanding services because of social contagion/their fetish/etc. In other words the exact boom that Olly is a part of.

Where does he think all these new specialists are going to come from, exactly? It takes a decade to train someone well in say, surgery. If you just demand a sudden increase in GRS and reward it with money, you’ll just get an explosion of hack surgeons butchering people like they are doing in the US.

I guess Olly doesn’t care about that since he doesn’t plan to get surgery himself. Who cares who else has their neovagina dehisce after being operated on by some trainee surgeon imported from the Cayman Islands by the NHS to meet demand and avoid those transphobic waiting times? It’s getting back at his parents that matters.

Idk, in that forbidden birthday stream, the only present PT mentions getting is a ton of expensive meat from his parents. They definitely heavily subsidised his acting “”career”” and living in London before he got Patreon money, because that’s not cheap. I don’t consider that a bad relationship with your parents, it seems pretty supportive to me at least.

You have not known many Cluster B types if you think that someone's parents supporting them means that they are not full of seething rage towards those same parents.

 

[Corerotten.exe]

Hey, on the topic of finding out Olly's family, I found the identity of his brother, his name is Jonny Lennard and I found him comfortably nestled next to Olly's (quite awful) stand-up show. Jonny was also doing a standup. Since their accents sounded uncannily similar I was sure they were siblings and my suspicions were confirmed when I saw that Olly follows him on Twitter.

 

[narcissistic injury]

It's pretty evident he hates women just from the way he described his mom in the livestream with Nyk last year. He describes her as a "Karen" (which is just a PC way for men to call a woman a bitch), which is pretty hypocritical of him since, as @Futaba mentioned, Olly acts like a ""Karen"" when it comes to the NHS. Here's a description of that part of the livestream if you don't want to watch through it:

Just reiterating the fucking lies and deception — transition video (January 30 2021) discusses transitioning for the past *year*

Yet 8 months prior in the my mom’s a karen stream he was still chillin with his goatee trying to win contra back (April 24 2020), being super awkward and weird and simpy as it was only two months after the shame video (feb 15 2020)

The wheels were turning perhaps but transitioning for a year and hiding it from the internet for a year while his “friends and family” had been calling him Abigail, Abbi, or Abs? Who believes this shit.

Did chubey just look at his growing pandemic hair and think meh I’ve run out of options, Natalie really doesn’t seem to want me…. But she really liked theryn…… I have dark hair and blue eyes too you bitch!!! Fine, you want a woman?!? I can play a Fucking woman!! I’ll just let this hair grow out and be a woman!! Oh yea mum n dad u don’t like it? FUCK THE NHS!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tombigbee]

Haha what a mealy mouthed little bitch. Sorry Olly, you can’t retreat into your polite, upper middle(?) class manners when you are trying to be a leftist bomb-thrower. It doesn’t work like that.

iTs NoT yOu, iT’s ThE sYsTeM!!! pLeAsE dOnT hATe Meeee!

Maybe think twice before you dramatically intone PEOPLE DIE WAITING in your troon voice if you aren’t willing to stand by what you say.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Haha what a mealy mouthed little bitch. Sorry Olly, you can’t retreat into your polite, upper middle(?) class manners when you are trying to be a leftist bomb-thrower. It doesn’t work like that.

iTs NoT yOu, iT’s ThE sYsTeM!!! pLeAsE dOnT hATe Meeee!

Maybe think twice before you dramatically intone PEOPLE DIE WAITING in your troon voice if you aren’t willing to stand by what you say.

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yeah, that will have rubbed looooooads of people up the wrong way. tick tock, LUVS.

just noticed the bottom line of that woman’s reply- ‘it’s tough enough with people who liken us to Mengele” lmfaoooo

now she's getting it from Top Troons too!

aye i think this will be one for his roster of ‘fucking up with his would be benefactors worse than he actually realises ‘

 

[behindyourightnow]

Haha what a mealy mouthed little bitch. Sorry Olly, you can’t retreat into your polite, upper middle(?) class manners when you are trying to be a leftist bomb-thrower. It doesn’t work like that.

iTs NoT yOu, iT’s ThE sYsTeM!!! pLeAsE dOnT hATe Meeee!

Maybe think twice before you dramatically intone PEOPLE DIE WAITING in your troon voice if you aren’t willing to stand by what you say.

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“The system is killing people, and my plan to rebuild it from the ground up and make people travel to dozens of different specialists rather than having a dedicated clinic, an overhaul which will take years and cost millions and achieve nothing except making me feel accomplished, will fix this somehow.”

 

[PennyAni]

I've never seen a youtuber more badly misjudge a vibe more than this video.

going for 'ironic' psychotic matronly vibes, when you are actually a 6 foot odd cross dresser, talking about women's body issues of all things, with the added subtext of being pissed off that Nigella Lawson had the cheek to not bow down to the Tube;
altogether, it was a slam dunk in ...like, I woudlnt even call it cringe?
it was more sinisterly angry in flavour...
lets say Crange.

edit- 'Crange' works on the level that it sounds like 'Craddock, F.' too.

"Crange" is brilliant but we cant forget the complete disingenuous "I was scared to eat the cake on camera, being so trapped by body expectations on us women!" part.

Cringe plus anger plus phoniness....Crake?Crakey? Anger-ing\|||\

What do you mean its crude and in bad form to blabber about unreleased current projects when the standard in showbiz is not to do that? If that was the case then Olly wouldn't be able to namedrop his long time association with Steve Coogan, and its crucially important that people be aware that he, Abigail Thorne, was featured in the upcoming smash hit tv show 'Chivalry' alongside high profile comedic actor Steve Coogan, who you might recognize from such properties as Alan Partridge, The Other Guys and Tropic Thunder!

I just love the way that he mentions Coogan out of nowhere as an actor for the fucking Joker, despite the fact that nothing about Coogan's filmography previously would suggest this is a role he'd even want, simply because he needs to make everybody aware of his thin connection to an actually famous person.

Not only that, but he's literally saying that this dude Coogan (I have no idea who this hugely famous person even is, btw) would be perfect for the role of the Joker in this upcoming film *because he was nice to Olly on a film set once*.

 

[AfghanBlue]

"Crange" is brilliant but we cant forget the complete disingenuous "I was scared to eat the cake on camera, being so trapped by body expectations on us women!" part.

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Not only that, but he's literally saying that this dude Coogan (I have no idea who this hugely famous person even is, btw) would be perfect for the role of the Joker in this upcoming film *because he was nice to Olly on a film set once*.

Steve Coogan is Alan Partridge. I dont think he's anything much of a famous actor in the states though. Very legendary comedian here. if your husband is a brit, as him, he'l tell you straight away. you might like the newer alan partidge stuff, mid morning matters, in a little digital local radio station. I suppose the decades long context adds quite a bit to the minisodes though..

EDIT
he has beef with courtney love, lol. or rather, she has beef with him. or did. she seems to be trying to unbeef with everyone these days. heyyyy, i wonder if she's got a thread..

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Not only that, but he's literally saying that this dude Coogan (I have no idea who this hugely famous person even is, btw) would be perfect for the role of the Joker in this upcoming film *because he was nice to Olly on a film set once*.

Coogan is best known for Alan Partridge but he's got a long CV, he was in the legendary The Day Today before Knowing Me Knowing You (the first Partridge TV show) , for a while he had a lot of supporting roles in various American comedies, I'd say he'd be most recognizable as the director in Tropic Thunder who gets blown up by a landmine, the main bad guy in The Other Guys and the Roman Centurion in the Night at the Museum franchise.

He doesn't really do American comedy much anymore but in Britain he's still very active and does a few more dramatic roles, his most high profile one is the 2013 movie Philomena where he got nominated for the academy awards for both Best Picture and Best Screenplay, and he's had other well received movies like Stan and Ollie and A Cock and Bull Story. Its no surprise that Thorn is licking up to him in such a undignified manner, as you mention, like anybody is considering him for the role of the Joker based on him being personally nice towards Abigail Thorn.

 

[AfghanBlue]

another couple for Tube's blocklist.

every person who says anything other than 'yay Abi! Tube Powah!' ends up being like '...oh i've been blocked.'

By absolutely no means are the replies abusive, rude, bad faith or offering anything up other than a different opinion (usually routed in actual knowledge of how ~ things generally, work.)

At worst, some replies are bluntly terven, but there's many more that give his bullshit arguements way more credence they deserve just by pointing out the ridiculous of every facet of them.
Cos come on, really, its so clear now that he is, as the guy said, shouting pie in the sky shit, as its something he can take the lead on for posturing purpose- he is saying nothing of value, is actively hurting his own cause and a vulnerable section of people.

Nice fucking going Choob, and even your simps are starting to see through it.
At least you can still see the comments, I'd assumed peoples comments would be hidden from view if the OP had blocked the replier.

But yeah this is the exact thing that wont be doing him any favours and probably is going down like a led balloon with Mumsie and Pop.

'Killed by the NHS' is gonna fuck off plain everyone in the country- except, guess who?
Lol, to match the batshit Contra CIA theory, we can have one that Tube is getting funded by vulture American private healthcare companies looking to make a further in-roads into the NHS.

 

[The Mad Pirate]

'Killed by the NHS' is gonna fuck off plain everyone in the country- except, guess who?
Lol, to match the batshit Contra CIA theory, we can have one that Tube is getting funded by vulture American private healthcare companies looking to make a further in-roads into the NHS.

Who needs vulture Americans when it is his own parents ( and indirectly, Tube ) who will benefit the most ?

 

[AfghanBlue]

Who needs vulture Americans when it is his own parents ( and indirectly, Tube ) who will benefit the most ?

i don’t know enough about business to even guess what their company is about (or was, it’s recently liquidated)

on further investigation from initial spying of the company, it seems like his mam did good cancer work with patients and his dad is something to do with surgery at the university- on paper both sound pretty worthy but i know nowhere near enough about the upper echelons of stuff to really know.
in medicine departments at Newcastle Uni there is a lot of public money and private companies, ditto cancer researching areas.

they might be really worthy but it’s the nature of both specific fields that at the top there’s a lot of …troubling stuff from a good socialist stance certainly- and indeed, and functional objectivist best case scenario for running a health service perspective.

a fraction of what both have done will still be miles more good than tube, after confidently misinforming his simps about philosophy and now leading them down a garden path that is best dumbfuck, or for the (many) kids who credit him with helping them ‘discover’ their trans ID damaging as shit.
Lonely, easily led, too-online teenagers watched his hack job ‘’a little coming out announcement’’, and sifted around in the melodrama for their own desperately wanted eureka identity moment of bullshit ‘Euphoria’ .

here’s one- you’d think Tubes 'totes a commie' principles about 'each according to his need' would mean that considering his crowd funded earnings means he could buy a hundred neovaginas for all over his body if he wanted (lol), maybe he could actually speed up the “26 year long waiting list” by giving up his place by going private which he has the option to - unlike so many others.
if it was pressing you know he’d snap it up.
but no, his precious…uh, principles come before some random povo tran human in need.

 

[AssignedEva]

How difficult/expensive is it to access private healthcare in the UK? I assume it costs less than USA prices. If the wait list just to see a shrink is 26 years long, why isn't it possible to see a non-NHS one to get your diagnosis and prescriptions?

Spoiler: Small PL

I know someone who transitioned a decade ago in America, completely uninsured while working minimum wage. At a time where trooning was way less common and healthcare was harder to access. I don't see how it could possibly be harder to do now in <CURRENT YEAR> even for the people who don't live in mansions.

This same person now attends a "segregated clinic" for trans health and talks about how much better it is than dealing with doctors who have no idea how to deal with a trans. One clinic for all your transition needs is way easier to navigate than dealing with a series of shrinks, endocrinologists, doctors, and surgeons from unrelated practices.

Olly is advocating for a step down in care by putting transgender patients in front of doctors who won't know what to do with them. If wait times are such an issue, it would be smarter to advocate for MORE trans clinics, not abolish them entirely.

Average cost is roughly £100/month with about a £1,500 excess for BUPA or Aviva, but you'll only get private healthcare in certain hospitals on the most basic tariff (e.g. you can't use Central London hospitals if you're on the most basic BUPA, you have to go to suburban ones). They'll all cover gender clinic stuff.

i don’t know enough about business to even guess what their company is about (or was, it’s recently liquidated)

on further investigation from initial spying of the company, it seems like his mam did good cancer work with patients and his dad is something to do with surgery at the university- on paper both sound pretty worthy but i know nowhere near enough about the upper echelons of stuff to really know.
in medicine departments at Newcastle Uni there is a lot of public money and private companies, ditto cancer researching areas.

they might be really worthy but it’s the nature of both specific fields that at the top there’s a lot of …troubling stuff from a good socialist stance certainly- and indeed, and functional objectivist best case scenario for running a health service perspective.

a fraction of what both have done will still be miles more good than tube, after confidently misinforming his simps about philosophy and now leading them down a garden path that is best dumbfuck, or for the (many) kids who credit him with helping them ‘discover’ their trans ID damaging as shit.
Lonely, easily led, too-online teenagers watched his hack job ‘’a little coming out announcement’’, and sifted around in the melodrama for their own desperately wanted eureka identity moment of bullshit ‘Euphoria’ .

here’s one- you’d think Tubes principals would mean that considering his crowd funded earnings means he could buy a hundred neovaginas for all over his body if he wanted (lol), maybe he could actually speed up the “26 year long waiting list” by giving up his place by going private which he has the option to - unlike so many others.
if it was pressing you know he’d snap it up.
but no, his precious…uh, principals come before some random povo tran

His Dad appears to have been head of surgery at the Royal Victoria Infirmary at one point, so he's a big deal.

The wait lists are because you need to go to a gender clinic and get two referrals (basically letters of agreement that you need the surgery), and then get surgery from a surgical provider. There's only seven gender clinics in the UK and only the Tavistock sees under 18s. It appears there's only five surgeons on the NHS that do MTF surgery (the clinic that does FTM still doesn't have an operating room - they still haven't made an agreement with a hospital - so literally zero arm sausages have been getting done for years). Average wait times are about two years.

If you go private, you can get a consult and walk out of there with a prescription for meds within about four months. You can probably get surgery within another 6 months (or at least the legwork, they won't refer you if you've just started taking hormones).

Come on Ollie, cough up and you could have an amhole in time for bikini season!