Culture The High Cost of Men's Loneliness



KEY POINTS​

  • Men often don't have close friends. In heterosexual relationships, women often maintain friendships for the couple.
  • Boys start out feeling as connected in their friendships as girls do, but they tend to neglect personal relationships to pursue external success.
  • Loneliness is correlated with longevity. It is a risk factor for health problems such as cardiovascular disease and stroke.
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Saturday Night Live recently aired a brilliant sketch titled “Man Park.” In the sketch, a young man waits anxiously for his partner to return from work. He has few if any friends, and has had little social interaction all day. She listens, barely managing to feign interest in his data dump about the series of banal events of his day. As is often the case in heterosexual relationships, she reverts to the role of mommy, exhorting her partner to go outside and play with his friends. When he protests that he has no friends, she takes him by the hand as she would a little boy, and walks him to the “Man Park” to play with the other men. The men approach each other awkwardly, unsure of how to make a friend, while the women patronizingly urge them on.

The seemingly unending pandemic has raised awareness of the physical and emotional consequences of isolation. Men tend to struggle with isolation and loneliness more than women. Thomas Joiner in his ground-breaking book Lonely at the Top (2011) says that men have made a Dorian Gray-like trade of success in the external world for a deep sense of loneliness, emptiness, and disconnection. Boys start out feeling just as connected in their close friendships as girls do, but they tend to neglect their personal relationships to pursue external success. When men lose the protective social structures provided in high school and college, they often find themselves interpersonally adrift, unsure how to establish or maintain close relationships with other men or women.

In heterosexual couples, women tend to handle all the social relationships for the couple and the children. This may fall to women because they are aware that their male partners do not have substantial relationships outside of the family as they do. The women may pull their partners into socializing with other couples so that the women can have more time socializing with each other without that becoming an issue in the marriage. They may even arrange “play dates” with their friends’ partners so that their partner will be more interested in socializing as a couple.

Women can do this so seamlessly that their partners often remain blissfully unaware of all the work their partners are doing to manage the social relationships in the family. Men are often happy to have their partners take care of this because they are socialized not to value social relationships very highly, and on some level, they may also recognize that they are not very good at it themselves. It is typically only when they are divorced or widowed those men realize how few relationships they actually have that have not been arranged or managed by their partner, and how vulnerable they have been in depending entirely on their partners for all of the connection in their lives.
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A reporter for the Boston Globe was initially offended when his editor asked him to write an article about “how middle-aged men have no friends:”
"Excuse me? I have plenty of friends. Are you calling me a loser? You are . . . I quickly took stock of my life to try to prove to myself that I was not, in fact, perfect for this story.

"First of all, there was my buddy Mark. We went to high school together, and I still talk to him all the time, and we hang out all the . . . Wait, how often do we actually hang out? Maybe four or five times a year? And then there was my other best friend from high school, Rory, and . . . I genuinely could not remember the last time I’d seen him. Had it already been a year? Entirely possible.

"There were all those other good friends who feel as if they’re still in my lives (sic) because we keep tabs on one another on social media, but as I ran down the list of those, I’d consider real, true, lifelong friends, I realized that it had been years since I’d seen many of them, even decades for a few (Baker, 2017)."

Loneliness is not only an unpleasant feeling; it is an interpersonal impairment that causes significant harm in the lives of men. Research suggests that a focus on the accumulation of wealth and material goods results in less overall happiness in life and less satisfaction in intimate relationships (Baker, 2017). The Harvard Study of Adult Development (Harvard, 2017) followed a group of men for eight decades. Throughout the study, at different points in their lives, the men were asked, “Who would you call in the middle of the night if you were sick or afraid?” Those men who had someone to turn to were happier in their lives and their marriages, and also physically healthier over time.
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The danger here is not only the emotional cost of loneliness, although that is substantial. Close relationships with other people have more of an impact on our physical health and longevity than even our genes do (Mineo, 2017, Vadantam, 2018). A satisfying relationship life can extend longevity by up to 22 percent. Loneliness is a risk factor comparable to smoking, obesity, and high blood pressure (Holt-Lunstad, et al., 2010, Hawkley, et al, 2010, House, et al., 1988, Murphy, et al., 2017). Loneliness in men is correlated with cardiovascular disease and stroke; 80 percent of successful suicides are men, and one of the leading contributing factors is loneliness (Murphy, et al., 2017). While many physicians ask questions about risk factors such as smoking and alcohol consumption during an annual physical, the research suggests they should also be asking about how satisfying their patient’s closest relationships are.
This post was excerpted in part from Hidden in Plain Sight: How Men’s Fears of Women Shape Their Intimate Relationships (Weiss, 2021).
 
  • Men often don't have close friends. In heterosexual relationships, women often maintain friendships for the couple.
this isn't really a thing is it? there's a lot missing here.
  • Boys start out feeling as connected in their friendships as girls do, but they tend to neglect personal relationships to pursue external success.
this sounds like projection ngl.
  • Loneliness is correlated with longevity. It is a risk factor for health problems such as cardiovascular disease and stroke.
then stop fucking labelling awkward men as incels.
 
Men often don't have close friends. In heterosexual relationships, women often maintain friendships for the couple.

I'm glad my wife doesn't do this to me. I'm not sure which is more cringe-- husbands who still need to "hang with the boyz" because they can't let go of their twenties, or those whose wives set them up on play dates with other couples.

It's the social contract-- the man provides for the wife and children, and in exchange he's allowed to just sit quietly on the porch and watch the sun set.

If you want to see what happens to men in their forties who haven't progressed past their carousing days, check out the Dax Herrera thread.
 
this isn't really a thing is it? there's a lot missing here.
It is, and the article is pretty spot on for--and I'm making a jump here--"most men".

My girlfriends have all spent a significant portion of their free time talking to, making plans with and seeing their friends. They don't really do anything together; they usually have coffee or watch tv and talk. We're talking about probably 2 dozen people, each of whom she sees several times a year? I'm not an antisocial guy, but that takes a fuckton of effort and men generally won't get together without a structured activity to share. If I'm not working, I'm working out or doing errands or going on dates and so is everyone else I know. If I'm going to hang out with a buddy, I generally want a reason to, and that's hard when life gets busy, and especially if you have kids.

I think we're more contextual; we're okay with letting people slip in and out of our lives because our relationships are more based on shared experiences than emotional connection. If you've ever met up with a guy after several years and your lives have taken different paths, it can be kind of awkward because you no longer have those shared experiences and it can feel a little alienating. Ostensibly, I will make new friends in my new environment and I'm mostly ok with that, but the pandemic has fucked with men's natural environment (the workplace) and modern life has fucked with a lot of men's "third place", which used to be Church for many, many men.

My girlfriends have never worried about that, because their relationships are all about feelings and emotional connections. They are attached to the actual person, I think.

I'd be interested to hear a woman chime in on this; I can't really speak for them as to why they feel the need to "never leave a friend behind", but I don't think most men feel that same compulsion.
 
but they tend to neglect personal relationships to pursue external success.
sure, if by 'external success' you mean 'getting out of the ends before society collapses and you become a sitting duck'
 
I think we're more contextual; we're okay with letting people slip in and out of our lives because our relationships are more based on shared experiences than emotional connection. If you've ever met up with a guy after several years and your lives have taken different paths, it can be kind of awkward because you no longer have those shared experiences and it can feel a little alienating. Ostensibly, I will make new friends in my new environment and I'm mostly ok with that, but the pandemic has fucked with men's natural environment (the workplace) and modern life has fucked with a lot of men's "third place", which used to be Church for many, many men.
That's a good take on it. My best friends have always been people I've done something with. Played RPGs, played wargames, bar crawled with (haven't done that in a long time), went shooting/hunting with, worked alongside, played (or watched) sports with, etc. Once these shared activities weren't there anymore, we usually drifted apart without much fanfare. I till see some of my old buddies every now and then, and I talk to a couple regularly, but getting together to do stuff, after we don't really have anything to do anymore? Yeah, that doesn't happen.
 
I used to volunteer at a food bank.

During that time I noticed that a lot our users were men in their late 40s or early 50s. They were either divorced and estranged from their children, or they never married. They had been employed, but at the lower end of the wage scale. They'd never made enough to build up meaningful savings, or do anything other than rent. Something had happened that had upset the status quo. Either they got sick and lost their job, or they just lost their job. With no money to make the rent, and with many landlords refusing to accept housing benefit, they lost their homes. They occupied that no-man's land before state shekels take up some of the slack. Sometimes when I talked to them, I could tell they were still attempting to come to terms with how quickly everything had fallen apart.

A common factor was that these men had no-one in their lives. No friends. No one to talk to who might offer advice, insight or practical assistance. They moved through the world unnoticed and unwanted.

Even if you have won multiple gold medals in the Male Misanthropy Olympics (and then obviously failed to turn up to the award ceremony) I would still strongly advise that all men learn how to build and maintain friendships, if only so there is someone who knows that you exist, and who might perhaps look out for you when things go wrong.

It's harder to make friends as you get older, and I've seen what happens when this part of life is taken for granted and/or neglected.
 
It's harder to make friends as you get older, and I've seen what happens when this part of life is taken for granted and/or neglected.
That just means you dont know how to socialize with people in general. Pick up a hobby that involves other people and then talk to those people until you make friends.
 
Wait, are men not making friends with their co-workers? Is this because the water cooler culture has pretty much died out?
We live in a world where any innocuous thing you say will be construed negatively and could end up leading to harassment and claims you are a nazi or racist or whatever bizarre nonsensical flavor of -phobic is popular that day.

No one's going to risk casual conversation in this environment.
 
It is, and the article is pretty spot on for--and I'm making a jump here--"most men".

My girlfriends have all spent a significant portion of their free time talking to, making plans with and seeing their friends. They don't really do anything together; they usually have coffee or watch tv and talk. We're talking about probably 2 dozen people, each of whom she sees several times a year? I'm not an antisocial guy, but that takes a fuckton of effort and men generally won't get together without a structured activity to share. If I'm not working, I'm working out or doing errands or going on dates and so is everyone else I know. If I'm going to hang out with a buddy, I generally want a reason to, and that's hard when life gets busy, and especially if you have kids.

I think we're more contextual; we're okay with letting people slip in and out of our lives because our relationships are more based on shared experiences than emotional connection. If you've ever met up with a guy after several years and your lives have taken different paths, it can be kind of awkward because you no longer have those shared experiences and it can feel a little alienating. Ostensibly, I will make new friends in my new environment and I'm mostly ok with that, but the pandemic has fucked with men's natural environment (the workplace) and modern life has fucked with a lot of men's "third place", which used to be Church for many, many men.

My girlfriends have never worried about that, because their relationships are all about feelings and emotional connections. They are attached to the actual person, I think.

I'd be interested to hear a woman chime in on this; I can't really speak for them as to why they feel the need to "never leave a friend behind", but I don't think most men feel that same compulsion.
yeah makes sense to me, most normal guys may have like 1 or 2 other male friends they're super close to, but then other guys by extension will just be sort of like "I know him, he's aight, let's grab a beer".

and for nerdy guy hobbies, I've found that they've often been co-opted by troons/SJWs and other unpleasant types.
 
Every single relationship I’ve ever had, the woman’s felt threatened by the fact I had a rich social life that didn’t revolve around her.

The second last girlfriend I had before I got married once drunkenly barged in to one of my regular gaming nights at a friend’s place, demanding to know where the strippers were. We were playing Warhammer 40,000. Strippers would have been cheaper.

I posit that many men don’t have a lot of ‘friendships’ because it’s a choice between that or pussy, and we’re fundamentally more motivated by pussy than by friendships. Women are fundamentally unable to avoid feelings of nagging insecurity when their partner doesn’t need them. Men, in my experience, are generally quite happy for a few hours of peace when their partners fuck off and leave them alone. Who’s really got the problems here?
 
and for nerdy guy hobbies, I've found that they've often been co-opted by troons/SJWs and other unpleasant types.
I can't speak for the economic situation of most men my age, but most guys I know grew out of this stuff when they start making real money and you realize you can do literally anything you want. Take up flying, go golfing, buy a treadmill or that stupid mirror with the bow flex hiding in it, drive race cars, start buying houses and fixing them up on the weekends so you can become a slumlord... you get so little free time to begin with that you don't want to spend it playing vidya or tabletop games or whatever anymore.

That all changes when you have kids, but if you want to have a happy marriage, you should probably dedicate a lot of that time to your wife. That's my advice anyway; life's too short.
 
>woman
>talking about masculinity
>at all

It is, and the article is pretty spot on for--and I'm making a jump here--"most men".

My girlfriends have all spent a significant portion of their free time talking to, making plans with and seeing their friends. They don't really do anything together; they usually have coffee or watch tv and talk. We're talking about probably 2 dozen people, each of whom she sees several times a year? I'm not an antisocial guy, but that takes a fuckton of effort and men generally won't get together without a structured activity to share. If I'm not working, I'm working out or doing errands or going on dates and so is everyone else I know. If I'm going to hang out with a buddy, I generally want a reason to, and that's hard when life gets busy, and especially if you have kids.

I think we're more contextual; we're okay with letting people slip in and out of our lives because our relationships are more based on shared experiences than emotional connection. If you've ever met up with a guy after several years and your lives have taken different paths, it can be kind of awkward because you no longer have those shared experiences and it can feel a little alienating. Ostensibly, I will make new friends in my new environment and I'm mostly ok with that, but the pandemic has fucked with men's natural environment (the workplace) and modern life has fucked with a lot of men's "third place", which used to be Church for many, many men.

My girlfriends have never worried about that, because their relationships are all about feelings and emotional connections. They are attached to the actual person, I think.
You suggest that men tend to bond based on shared experiences more so than emotional connection, which I think sounds right, but the value of those shared experiences is in part because of the emotions tied to them, and those shared experiences invariably inform one man about the person of another.

I don't think that's different for women, either-- if anything, it's the nature of those "shared experiences" that make the difference. As men, we recognize women not really "doing" anything because they really don't lol the nature of their typical communal activities are largely considered supplemental or secondary in our communal activities, if they're even activities that we would do.

And there's no restriction on what the "shared experience" can be-- it can very well be a discrete event that leaves a close to indelible impact and makes it so you can still connect with the other relatively well years after the fact.

As you asked, I think it would be valuable to get a woman's perspective on the nature of female relationships. I'm inclined to think that when you say "feelings and emotional connections", that inadvertently alludes to "how a person makes them feel", but even that's not enough of a distinguisher between the sexes considering that men definitely wouldn't readily hang around a person who routinely makes them feel like crap. I feel as though there's something true in that direction, though, that I can't quite make out.
 
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